If you were a GM…
In the last weeks we’ve been discussing a lot of trades. Some people think the Bulls should get a PF, other that they should get a SG to help Derrick Rose. I think we all already understood that Paxton is not going to get anyone really good from Free Agency, because teams like Atlanta (Josh Smith) or Philadelphia (Iguodala) can match every offer. Right now he’s committed in re-sign Deng and Gordon - which I think is a good idea -, and when finishes that task, won’t be there anyone worthless. So, our last chance to improve the value of the team is definitely trading some peaces.
Sports Ilustrated have a good storie about the possible Market Forces of this off-season. It goes from Vince Carter to Shawn Marion, Michael Redd, Rasheed Wallace, etc, etc, etc…
Vince Carter: The Nets already have sent out two of the Big Three, dealing Jason Kidd (Mavericks) and Richard Jefferson (Bucks) over the past five months. Carter could be next as New Jersey goes about clearing cap space for a possible run at LeBron James in two years. Carter, 31, has a huge contract (three more years, $49 million), but he is also a seven-time All-Star who averaged 21.3 points, 6.0 rebounds and 5.1 assists last season.
Shawn Marion: The 30-year-old forward is among the most versatile players in the game and a four-time All-Star. He's also in the final year of a contract that pays him $17.2 million, and is likely going to seek a max-type deal next summer. The Heat might decide to move him now for help at point guard or in the low post rather than risk losing him for nothing. The Lakers and Warriors have been mentioned as possibilities.
Lamar Odom: This year's Finals showed that the Lakers need to get tougher on the interior, and Odom is easier to replace than the 7-foot Pau Gasol. His contract (one more year, $14.6 million) also makes him attractive to other suitors. He could end up back with Pat Riley in Miami, where he spent the 2003-04 season, or up the road in Sacramento.
Ron Artest: The 6-foot-7 swingman is talented, but his volatility has to frighten the rebuilding Kings. It didn't help that Artest recently came out and said he made a mistake by not opting out of his contract that pays him $7.4 million next season. Whether the Kings and Lakers pull the trigger on a long-rumored Odom-for-Artest deal remains to be seen, but Sacramento president Geoff Petrie will surely think about it.
Andrei Kirilenko: Thanks to his strong bounce-back campaign in 2007-08, you don't hear his name mentioned in trade rumors as often as a year ago. But the Jazz can't be too thrilled with the prospect of paying Kirilenko $49 million over the next three years. With Deron Williams due for a contract extension this summer, and Carlos Boozer and Mehmet Okur eligible to become free agents in '09, Utah could use some payroll relief.
Stephon Marbury: His past three seasons in New York have been a huge disappointment, and he clearly does not fit in the team's plans. The Knicks would rather trade him than buy him out of the last year and $21.9 million on his deal, but they don't want to take back any more bad contracts. Still, some team (the Heat?) might be willing to take a chance on a player who once averaged 20 points and eight assists on a regular basis.
Al Harrington: The versatile Warriors forward fell out of favor with coach Don Nelson last season, and became mostly a role player. Golden State could use Harrington to try to get another big man or to acquire a point guard to help replace the departed Baron Davis.
Rasheed Wallace: Pistons boss Joe Dumars has made no secret that he's looking to make major changes. 'Sheed's reputation will scare off some, but he has only one more year ($13.7 million) left on his contract. How about a reunion with Larry Brown in Charlotte?
Michael Redd: The Bucks were expected to dangle Redd this summer as new general manager John Hammond goes about trying to rebuild the team. But after acquiring Richard Jefferson from the Nets, the likelihood went down. Still, if the Bucks do explore a deal, the Cavs have long been interested in getting the former Ohio State star to help take some of the scoring load off LeBron James.
So, if you were Paxton, which one of this (or others) guys would you really pursue? And what would you offer in return from this package*: Hinrich, Noce, Hughes - I hate him, but I don’t like much this idea, because in 2010 we could get a little more cap space with him - and, why not, Ben Gordon (sign and trade).
Don’t forget that the salaries have to match, and that what you are willing to give in return have to be good to the other team too. This exercise it’s not just what we would like, but also what could benefit both parts.
* I chose those players because they are what people here in BaB have been talking more in the last Weeks
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by snley on Jul 17, 2008 8:49 AM CDT 0 recs
no he means Bill Paxton
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jul 17, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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Maybe instead of the Derrick Rose add-on at the top
you should spell out the following;
J-O-R-D-A-N; L-U-O-L; G-O-R-D-O-N; H-I-N-R-I-C-H; J-O-A-K-I-M; N-O-C-I-O-N-I; E-T-C-.
Wait, maybe that’d be too confusing???
by kingj41 on
Jul 17, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Who's E-T-C??
Ha. But to actually address the post, I’d love to have Kirilenko on this team as a running 4. Nocioni and Gooden’s expiring contract, plus one of our “potential” guys sounds about right. Jazz get a guy in Nocioni that Sloan will love and who moves between the 3 and 4 (like Kirilenko) and Gooden’s contract provides some relief. Tyrus would probably be necessary to sweeten the deal for the Jazz, but honestly I’d be fine with that: Kirilenko’s a beast.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Jul 17, 2008 9:52 AM CDT
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Eddy-Tyson-Curry/Chandler
Those guys were so bad for us we don’t even give them their own last name letter.
I like the Kirilenko idea though. He was a top 5 PF back when he played PF, and I’d imagine we could get him for Gooden and Nocioni. He would be the most perfectest perfect mentor for Tyrus, and he’d put us in a position to win now. I’ll echo your final sentence: Kirilenko’s a beast.
by YaoPau on
Jul 17, 2008 10:32 AM CDT
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I just got so excited about a possible Kirilenko/Tyrus frontcourt
that I started coughing.
by YaoPau on
Jul 17, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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So you see them starting both, playing small ball with no player over 6'9"?
Just curious… I’m not totally against small ball as I think the league is headed in that direction. But that’s pretty darn small when running into the Dwight Howards of the world.
by smash! on
Jul 17, 2008 10:42 AM CDT
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Tyrus might be taller than 6'9" now
But even if he’s not, he wouldn’t be giving up that much height. Dwight Howard is 6’10”, Okafor is 6’10”, Horford is 6’10” (source) They, like Tyrus, might’ve grown since getting drafted, but the point stands that he’s near their height.
Tyrus played center for one game last year, and the severely understaffed Bulls team won the game, with Tyrus getting 12 boards and 4 blocks. I realize he’ll have trouble against some of the wider players (so will Joakim), but if he’s not playing PF, we should be testing him at center, not small forward.
by YaoPau on
Jul 17, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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I'm not saying he should play small forward...
he’s a PF. But he’s not a center. He doesn’t have the post game for it offensively. And on D, I feel like he’s still most effective when he can peel off his man and play help D blocking shots and wrecking havoc by flying into the picture from out of no where. So don’t you think his straight-up man D will get him killed against the bigs with muscles like Howard (who is listed everywhere at 6-11 btw). Horford and Okafor are really undersized when used at center and unless the majority of the league heads in that direction, 6-10 centers are still the minority.
As for the TT grew 2 inches line, I thought we simmered that chatter down earlier in the summer when Thorpe said it was just the angle of the photo that made TT look so much taller than Deng? I could be mistaken but I thought that was the case….
by smash! on
Jul 19, 2008 9:19 PM CDT
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So if we trade 2 good players for Kirilenko...
you obviously imply he’ll be the starter. How many mins per game will TT get?
I think the most important part of 2008-09 is to find out what we have in TT, Thabo and Joakim. And in order to see growth they need PT. Let em play, let em grow, then talk about trades when we’re more certain what we have.
Also, picking up his 3 yr contract means we have less $ to offer FA’s in two summers. I’ll take the possibility of Bosh or Wade over Kirilenko any day…
by smash! on
Jul 17, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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I'd take Bosh and Wade too
and I still think 2010 is clearly the best option. But if we’re going to go for it now, getting Kirilenko for Gooden and Noc, playing a 3-man front court rotation of Kirilenko/Tyrus/Noah this year, and using Hughes’ expiring contract a year from now to land another big name… it might just work.
by YaoPau on
Jul 17, 2008 11:08 AM CDT
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They WOULD play
In clearing out Gooden AND Nocioni, you free up more minutes at both the 3 and 4, and maybe even a few at the 5, which Gooden sometimes played. The frontcourt would be Kirilenko, Tyrus, and Joakim…oh yeah Gray too. There’d be PLENTY of PT. Any other PF/C’s on this roster I’m forgetting?
And the added benefit of shipping Noc out is that Thabo now slides in as the backup 2 AND 3, giving him extra PT too.
And the POSSIBILITY of Bosh or Wade versus the REALITY of Kirilenko…I’m not so sure.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Jul 17, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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I agree
Everyone is trying to get some cap space for 2010. And if Bosh, Wade, James and the other guys agree to stay with their teams?
I don’t know what the Jazz would demand from ut to trade Kirilenko, but if they agreed to receive Gooden and Noce, I would do that trade right away.
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
by bull83 on
Jul 17, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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What about
Deng…I still think this can work since we give out 2 guys in the front court, but we still need to account for deng cuz hes gonna start. I think It should be deng, AK, and noah starting with TT coming off the bench but still getting alotta minutes. I think AK fits our team really well, esp if he works on his outside shot some more. Hes a great defender and loves to play up tempo. Hed be sick with Rose…
by Pax_4_Prez on
Jul 17, 2008 12:56 PM CDT
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I think Paxton did trade Hinrich
but Paxson never got the memo.
by kingj41 on
Jul 17, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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Terrible mistake
I apologize. There, are you happy?
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
by bull83 on
Jul 17, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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I'm happy if you feel shame.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jul 17, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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Spelling nerds are so annoying!
You understood the point didn’t you? Stop filling the post with meanless corrections
by JustAnotherFan on
Jul 17, 2008 11:23 AM CDT
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lol meanless
It’s not that hard to have decent spelling on this site. Grammar errors are one thing, but the amount of times I’ve seen Jordon, Gordan, Heinrich, and Paxton/Paxston is laughable.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 17, 2008 2:58 PM CDT
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So what? It's not a grammar contest! It's just a comment
Less small talk and more ball play! lol
by JustAnotherFan on
Jul 17, 2008 9:28 PM CDT
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With no intention of being mean
English is not your first language, is it bull83? Honestly, I’m not saying that disparagingly… just curious. That doesn’t mean you get a pass for misspelling Paxson, though.
by kig on Jul 17, 2008 9:51 AM CDT 0 recs
No, it's not!!!
I already said it a lot of times. But if all you guys want to discuss my English instead of my post, I propose to Matt to erase the post. I don’t mind
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
by bull83 on
Jul 17, 2008 9:56 AM CDT
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ok, cool
I haven’t come across you saying that before – my bad. I give kudos to you for writing confidently in your second language. I won’t bring it up again.
by kig on
Jul 17, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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Thanks for the motivation ;)
I know that my writing it’s not good. I just try to make you guys understand my points, without making a lot of mistakes. If you guys can, good! If not, my bad!
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
by bull83 on
Jul 17, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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Portuguese
I don’t know if you guys know, but in Portugal are tons of Bulls fans. I’m just one of them, and one of the most interested in reading everything about the Bulls and discussing some things regarding the Bulls. And since in Portugal we don’t have a blog like BaB, I have to make an effort to write in English
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
by bull83 on
Jul 17, 2008 10:49 AM CDT
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that's cool.
my sister knows portuguese. i can understand a little bit. she lived in brazil for 2 years.
by Jaina on
Jul 17, 2008 10:51 AM CDT
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yeah I guess I should take it easy in that case
however, in any language, it’s Paxson.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jul 17, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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Understood
PAXSON, PAXSON, PAXSON, PAXSON, PAXSON… ................................................. PAXSON ….......................................................................... PAXSON ….......................................................... PAXSON ….................... PAXSON…..................................... PAXSON!!!
I won’t forget how to write PAX… TON – just kidding – anymore!
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
by bull83 on
Jul 17, 2008 11:01 AM CDT
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Well, it's a good thing for you all that I'm not GM,
because I’d probably have done pretty much what Pax has done over the past few years – maybe with the exception of getting Deng signed last year., since I did think he was worth a slightly higher offer than the “alleged” $57.5m. Kirilenko is intriguing to me, plus with BigBenign’s deal above, and given the possibility of Boozer walking and the reports of Williams not wanting to sign till he knows what will be around him, I could see the Jazz being willing trade partners. I guess I trust VDN’s talent to massage AK’s ego enough to get a good performance out of him, plus if Gooden and Tyrus were gone he could play the 4 more. (But I’d really rather not trade TT!)
Mostly, though, I like the guys on the team and would like to see how this season goes. I believe last season was a good learning experience for all of them, who with the exception of Kirk hadn’t been on a “bad” team that didn’t play together and had to try to work through a lot of issues. I think we, and sports fans in general, tend to focus significantly on what happened in the immediate past at the expense of a broader view of development, and then when guys are dumped after a bad season and bounce back elsewhere we’re all pissed off about it. If a great deal shows up, I hope Pax grabs it, but I’m good with him not being out there right now proactively trying to stir things up.
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
by wjb1492 on Jul 17, 2008 10:07 AM CDT 0 recs
Oh, but forgot to add, if Hughes cant' be traded/isn't bought out,
I do think it’s obvious that one of the 3 returning guards (BG, Thabo, Kirk) deserving of significant PT needs to be traded, just to have any shot at a reasonable line up. But I also think BG’s contract situation and who will bring the best deal in return play as significant a role in that as just trying to figure out which guard people like least at this moment in time.
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
by wjb1492 on
Jul 17, 2008 10:11 AM CDT
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Fact is...
...it’s just a crummy year to be needing so much from such a limited free agent crop.
I wouldn’t expect any miracles for the Bulls this summer. The best we can hope for is that the players we have develop over the course of the year (hopefully they don’t get too discouraged by the end of the circus trip), and we can make some solid free agent moves next year or the year after…
by POSEYHATER on Jul 17, 2008 10:25 AM CDT 0 recs
I'd go for another young player, probably a SG, someone who can shoot lights out.
That way, Rose’s strongest strength (huh?) his penetrating and dish ability he demonstrated at Memphis will have lights out effects. Or something. 35, 27, 36… those are okay percentages for a 3-pt shooters, but having one of the ten best 3-pt shooters of all time, and if he were still young… that’d be something really awesome to pair alongside Rose. I’ll go see if there is anyone like that out there the Bulls might reasonably expect to get.
by tyger1147 on Jul 17, 2008 11:09 AM CDT 1 recs
You're dreaming
lets try to be realistic here.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Jul 17, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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I see what you did here
You’re a clever one.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 17, 2008 2:59 PM CDT
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HA!
I might know a guy.
"I'm a Bulls fan," -Barack Obama
by Goostafer on
Jul 18, 2008 2:31 PM CDT
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thats a good idea
it would be even better if he could also find his own shot and benefit from the lack of attention being paid to im while the defense focuses on rose. and i hope he’s clutch and has a good work ethic.
by kite on
Jul 18, 2008 4:42 PM CDT
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Most people with disagree with me but...
I would go for RASHEED WALLACE!
He rebounds, he defends, he is a threat on offense.
Yes, he is risky but he has just 1 year on his contract and will bring some hot blood for this team. Right now I think this Bulls is too soft and low energy
Bring ‘sheed and hype it up. If the Pistons would go for it I would give them either gooden + noah or noce + gooden. Maybe a 2nd round pick too
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 17, 2008 11:29 AM CDT 0 recs
No thanks
I’m done with over-the-hill Pistons for a while. ‘Sheed is old. Our team is young. Why get a guy who’s clearly on his way down to play with guys who won’t be hitting their prime for a few years minimum? Waste of time.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on
Jul 17, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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Rasheed circa 2004 sure
He’s stopped caring and trying a little more since he won a title. And screw trading for energy. If the Bulls are making a trade, it better be for someone with actual talent that can translate to solid production. Wallace is more of a mascot than a legit NBA player anymore.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 17, 2008 3:00 PM CDT
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So, what do you suggest?
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
by bull83 on
Jul 17, 2008 5:04 PM CDT
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None of the players that you listed
Sign/trade Deng for Artest is pretty intriguing, but there’s no way the Bulls could hope to keep him clinically sane for a whole season.
My hope was to trade Kirk for Camby, though now that dream is dashed. It depends on what the Bulls want. If it’s to save money and get under the cap, then Kirk for Harrington makes sense, as does Kirk+Noce for Odom+Farmar.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 17, 2008 6:19 PM CDT
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The list is not mine
I just copied the list of names from that article from SI.com…
You are correct on one point: it will depend on what Paxson will want to do. But I agree with YaoPau: Kirilenko is the most interesting player for the Bulls. The problem is that I don’t know if the Jazz would trade him for Noce and Gooden…
What makes everyone think that in 2010 we will sign one superstar? And if we don’t sign anyone? Would we regret for not improving our roster when we had the chance?
I just want to see the Bulls better. I don’t mind if it will be now, in 2010 or in 2020… But even if we can get more cap space, do we have some insurance that Wade, Bosh or someone of the other guys will sign for us. Right now, we are giving a shoot in the dark…
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
by bull83 on
Jul 17, 2008 6:56 PM CDT
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*But even if we can get more cap space, do we have some insurance that Wade, Bosh or someone of the other guys will sign for us?
I forgot the question mark
Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!
by bull83 on
Jul 17, 2008 6:59 PM CDT
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Can't they just trade Hinrich for the exception?
Hmmm…??? If they get Gordon re-signed and want to shed salary w/o taking on more? This seems like a good idea so I know it’s not possible. Why not?
by tyger1147 on
Jul 17, 2008 6:58 PM CDT
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are you talking about denver's exception?
if so, why would they take back hinrich’s salary after moving camby in a pure salary dump?
by Jaina on
Jul 17, 2008 7:34 PM CDT
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Was it a "pure" salary dump?
I haven’t read all the stories, but it seems like most of the MSM or just assuming it is because they don’t understand the trade exceptions. If there’s a statement by a Denver official that says “this clears up money for us” w/o the added “to get something more productive in the future”, then I’ll concede the point. I don’t remember seeing that, but admittedly have not looked hard.
by tyger1147 on
Jul 18, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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i don't know
but they could have gotten something a helluva lot better for camby than the right to switch 2nd rounders. i haven’t seen a statement from them either. but i’m pretty sure they inch themselves below the luxury tax threshold by getting rid of his salary. and i thought that was their aim.
by Jaina on
Jul 18, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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Deal details
Denver’s objective: get under the luxury tax
Clippers objective: get a player with the available space they now have under the cap due to Brand and Maggette moving
Clippers get Camby.
Denver gets future 2nd round pick and a trade exception good for one year from the date of NBA approving the transaction.
I need to learn more about the trade exception, but it looks like it’s really worthless unless a team really needs to use it to acquire a player to win, which would then cause, at least the Nuggets, to exceed the lux tax and perhaps extend their season but still end up paying dollar for dollar penalties.
by NBA Observer on
Jul 18, 2008 3:21 PM CDT
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Actually, with AI's contract expiring after the season
The exception is valuable for next years first week of free agency.
But your point about the team being willing to use it is exactly why it seems useless as of now, because they obviously let one of their better players go for essentially nothing.
And if it expires, and the Clips do have a better record than Denver, they would have gotten Camby for zilch. Well, Denver saves $20+ mil…
by kingj41 on
Jul 18, 2008 3:35 PM CDT
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Wow, I'm glad you provided a link and all.
At least I know you’re citing fact and not spewing some of your regular B.S.
by tyger1147 on
Jul 18, 2008 4:07 PM CDT
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It seems like a good scenario for Denver
But, they traded Camby strictly to get under the luxury tax. If Hinrich makes the same amount this year (10 million), I don’t see the point of Denver trading Camby to the Clippers when they could have gotten Kirk straight up.
I still don’t get why Camby is the guy to go. Iverson expires after this season anyways. That’s 22 million dollars off the books, why gets paid that over 2 seasons and is realistically more important to the team than AI?
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 17, 2008 8:18 PM CDT
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the only reason for them to do it this way is...
...this gives them a WHOLE LOT more flexibility. They can go after anyone now for the next year. If they really want Hinrich (I don’t know if they do), they can wait until Paxson’s little games are done to get him, while still having jumped at a big opportunity to do something.
by tyger1147 on
Jul 18, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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It gives them lots of flexibility sure
They can use the exception anytime before next July to acquire someone, perhaps a savvy veteran or a decent PG. Plus, when Iverson’s contract expires, they can easily make another big splash and find someone who’s actually a good complement to Melo, not just someone who can score a ton of points.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 18, 2008 11:08 AM CDT
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You don't want Rasheed but you want Artest?
HAHAHAHAHAHA
by JustAnotherFan on
Jul 17, 2008 9:29 PM CDT
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Gun to my head......yeah I'd take Artest based solely on talent
But, if you read my post, I didn’t advocate trading for Artest, did I?
You don’t like spelling, grammar, do you like reading comprehension?
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 17, 2008 9:38 PM CDT
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Among your list
the two choices I like are Lamar Odom and Stephon Marbury.
First, my long view of the Bulls is that the 08-09 season will be a mediocre. The 09-10 season we will contend for the playoffs. And by 10-11 we will be contenders. I do not think Gordon and Deng are players that will ever produce at levels to constitute paying them max or near max deals. Both players have glaring weaknesses that require extra players and extra contracts to cover up those weaknesses.
Factoring in the ongoing nongoing negotiations with Gordon and Deng, I consider both players expendable. I would dangle Ben Gordon in front of the Knicks. Gordon will sell the Knicks on the deal himself. In return I want Marbury’s expiring contract. Without Gordon’s deal and Marbury’s expiring deal we’d have plenty of cap space to work with. The notion that we must wait for 2010 is silly. As you’ve seen with the Jason Richardson trade and the Marcus Camby trade, a team under the cap can make almost any favorable deal they want. You can twist the arms of all the luxury tax peddlers and pry away veteran talent(Nowitzki, et al).
Deng is a question mark. The QO doesn’t help the Bulls, but it gives Deng all the leverage. We likely need to trade him now or hope for the near impossible notion of Deng waiving his bird rights and agree to a trade mid 08-09 season.
I’d prefer to package Nocioni and Hinrich in a trade for Odom, but that might not get it done. So just subtract Noc and replace him with Deng. The deal will look terrible for the Bulls, but it’s a cap maneuver. Odom expires next summer. He’d give us a ball handling point forward, granting additional flexibility to play Thomas as the 3 and not worry about his ball handling.
A brief lineup review after my moves.
PG: Rose, ???
SG: Thabo, Hughes
SF: Odom, Noc
PF: Thomas, Gooden
C: Noah, Gray
Good backup PG options out there are Keyon Dooling and…the next Ramon Sessions. We’d also still need a solid three point shooter.
The roster wouldn’t be built to score, but it would be built to defend and run. The focus would still be developing our future players in Thabo, Thomas, Rose and Noah.
by NBA Observer on Jul 17, 2008 12:06 PM CDT 0 recs
I would change
“the roster wouldn’t be built to score” to “the roster wouldn’t score”. Marbury or Odom, really? You’d rather pay Odom 15 million than pay Luol 11 or 12?
by YaoPau on
Jul 17, 2008 12:30 PM CDT
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Marbury's name is absent the roster
Tim Thomas him.
I don’t think Deng wants 11 to 12 million. We offered him that last October. I think he wants 14-15 million and I don’t think the Chairman will pay that.
by NBA Observer on
Jul 17, 2008 4:31 PM CDT
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My crystal ball tells me that this is going to be a breakout season for Deng
as long he remains healthy. I would not trade him straight up for Odom.
Remember this post all you doubters. If I’m wrong, you can trash me unmercifully, but I would not be surprised if Luol makes the all-star team this season (as a reserve), thanks in large part to a recent addition into the Bulls bouquet, a beautiful, blooming Rose.
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by Tyrusmancrush on
Jul 17, 2008 5:35 PM CDT
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But what about his contract?
He can be awesome or bad, but I still need to know what we have to work with money wise and how much tilt Deng will or will not possess.
by NBA Observer on
Jul 17, 2008 6:23 PM CDT
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Trade Deng for Odom
and hand the Lakers the championship.
The public wants what the public gets....
by marionette on
Jul 18, 2008 12:35 PM CDT
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I would pass on all of the above
Hi guys,
New here, lurked a long time, now a first post.
IMHO, I think that the real problem is, and I know arguments will follow this, is a TRUE Center. Noah, is a PF out of position at Center. Tyrus a worse choice. Gray, I’m not convinced that he is a starter in this league.
Nobody on the list of players they might pursue solves this problem. Now when to hold ‘em here, I think.
Too bad about Marcus Camby, maybe not the HUGEST guy, but a shot-blocker for sure. I say too bad, because the price was right, one second round draft pick. They gave away two 2nd round picks to draft Omer Asik (after the Sonny Weems choice, could have picked Rose’s teammate CDR as well, he was picked immediately after that with the pick following the Weems/Asik pick) their 2nd round pick, who is 2 years away from joining the team due to his existing contract. All of a sudden, Camby sounds like kind of a steal.
I realize Denver did not want to acquire a new big contract, but just get rid of one, by trading for a future pick, that’s clear. But man, Camby AND Tyrus? Try driving down the lane against those two. Da*n!!
Great Blog here by the way.
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