Breaking: Camby to Clips for a Second Rounder
[From the FanShots. Like 'fundamentallysound' says, it's good news and bad news for the Bulls. -ed.]
Well this should eat up most of that Clippers cap room, thus making Deng and BG more likely to settle for less. On the other hand, a Camby for Hinrich swap has been discussed and we can kiss that option goodbye. Hello, Al Harrington!
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Was just about to post this...bastard!
Really, though, I thought he might have been a decent option for us when it comes to getting rid of Kirk or Noc. So much for that.
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Anyone else think this means more moves are coming for Denver?
This certainly gives them much more cap space to work with…
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If they paid $13.5 mil in luxury tax
and Camby’s salary was $10 mil., that still leaves them $3.5 mil over the tax threshold.
Somebody check my work?
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ha!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 15, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
they paid that based on last year's payroll
your work gets a check minus.
Here are the ‘08 numbers. They let Najera go, re-signed Anthony Carter for a minimum (or close to it). Not counting Camby or Taurean Green, they have $68.29m in guaranteed contracts. The tax is at $71.15m.
I doubt they go over again….but I guess they could do a move that takes back a bit more in salary now.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 15, 2008 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
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I shouldn’t have trivialized Carter’s contract, it’s $1.2m. That’s not taxable (because it’s a veteran minimum) but I believe it is figured into triggering the tax.
Also, they have the untidy matter of RFA J.R. Smith.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 15, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
They're defintely better than they were last year
Yeah, they lost Brand, but they didn’t have Brand last year anyways. I don’t think adding Baron Davis and Camby makes them a playoff team in the West, but they should be a 35-40 win team.
idk about that...
they get Baron….and they get a 35 year old center who is prone to injures…they do get tons of cap space ion 2010, i think his contract is inly 2 yrs
Is that doable because 2nd rounders don't have a predetermined salary number?
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Clips were way under the cap, mane.
With Maggette and Brand both bolting…
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Does the Clips being under explain why Denver didn't have to take anything back?
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
You can do trades like any...
...other sport (no matching salaries) else if one of the teams will be under the cap after the trade..
Obviously, something has to be “traded” for their to be a trade. Hence, the future 2nd-rounder, about the most worthless thing ever.
And I have no idea where you got the idea that future draft picks have a predetermined salary number and then therefore can count towards matching money in trades. Some of the things you think of are just… it’s awesome.
You should know by now I'm never afraid to expose my...
ignorance.
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or did the Clips have a trade exception?
Cause ain’t no 2nd rounder signing with in 125% of 13.5 mil
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 15, 2008 9:41 PM CDT reply actions
Clippers were under the cap
They didn’t have to give up a matching salary.
matching salary
And I thought that if it was a matching salary that it only had to be within 25% of the other salary (or 75%) if you were going lower than what you were trading.
"To a man with a hammer, every solution looks like a nail." SLC
it does when both teams are over the cap
and nearly every team is always over the cap, which is why the 25%/75% is assumed in nearly all trade discussions.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
For the Clips, I don't see why they would pull the trigger on this deal so quickly
they just ate up all their remaining cap space without really even making much of a play for Josh Smith or Emeka Okafor (or anyone really). It’s better than them doing the same deal for Zach Randolph which the Knicks reportedly turned down (fools). Also, Camby is 34 and has two years remaining on his deal and I’d expect that we’ll see him slow down soon and there are signs that that’s already started. His PER the last three years 19.9, 19.1, and 17.2 this year. Great deal for the Nuggs if they are trying to go a different way and rebuild around Melo. I wouldn’t be surprised to see AI moved if they can pull it off.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 15, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply actions
* they didn't eat up ALL their cap space, just a good chunk of it, apologies for any confusion
the point still stands though. A pretty big cap hit for a guy that is getting up their in age.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 15, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, this is why they're the Clippers
Plugging up their cap space with Camby when there was that much talent still to be had, and with basically no other teams left to bid against them… it makes no sense.
I don’t understand why Denver made that move, though. Even without Iverson’s contract, they’ll still be right at the cap for each of the next two seasons (they have $43 mil on the books for the 09-10 season, and that’s for just 5 players), so they might as well have kept Camby through this year and rolled the dice with a veteran team.
The "might as well" here
comes with a hefty luxury tax bill, though. The owner took a shot building his team around Melo, AI, and Camby. They went to the playoffs a couple times. But with the way the West was looking, this didn’t look like a championship team, especially with Camby and AI getting older. I’m guessing the owner didn’t want to pay an extra $13M or whatever just to have another low playoff seed; he’d rather restart the rebuilding process so he can take advantage of Melo’s prime, Kleiza’s prime, Nene’s possible health, and maybe even JR Smith.
Why trigger it quickly? Simple
To grab the amazing opportunity of picking a former DPY, top 5 rebounder, top 5 shotblocker for a 2nd round pick… to seize the momentum… something Paxson is having SO much difficulty to learn…
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 15, 2008 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Good news
because now the Clips can’t make a big offer for Deng as they were reportedly considering.
(Clips salaries would seem to put them just under $7M under the cap).
So that means the RFAs are staying put pretty much
Good news for Atlanta, probably not so good news for Josh Smith.
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FD must be rejoicing.
The Joe Johnson and J-Smoove duo lives on!
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42 win seasons from here on out
It’s an exciting time to be a Hawk fan!
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 15, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
For the right to _swap_ second round picks.
It’s even worse than Camby for a 2nd rounder.. The Clipper’s website has it as a potential pick-swap.
But it does bring their roster more into focus.
Stein says this creates a $10.1 mil trade exception. Daaaamn.
Using the salary-cap space earmarked for re-signing Brand before his free-agent departure to the Philadelphia 76ers, L.A. was able to absorb Camby’s contract ($10 million for each of the next two seasons) without surrendering anything of consequence beyond Denver creating a trade exception worth $10.1 million that expires one year from Tuesday.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3491156
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man what if the bulls had that exception
that should get us one nice role player eh?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on Jul 16, 2008 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Joe Smith left us 5.8 million
There aren’t any steals out there, but there are some solid vets the Bulls could add before it expires.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2008 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions
This trade is crazy!
I bet Loul and Ben are pissed. free agency is pretty much over.
Rose / Obama 08
WOW
I live in LA and when I heard this, I was like what the hell they thinking? They went from bad with money, to average with no money, but they will be under cap BIG for 2010 when everyone wants to save money for and with a team of BD, Eric Gordon, Al T, and lots and lots of money, and LA, someone might take it… I think Camby is really good by the way at what he does. If teamed with a scoring 4 man, he can be great in a quest for a title. He was exposed in Denver a little too much cause of the gambling habits of AI and JR and Melo. With a good perimeter defensive team he can be an even more efficient center.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Jul 16, 2008 3:40 AM CDT reply actions
unfortunately with B-Diddy and EGordon (or Cuttino Mobley) as the starting backcourt it doesn't appear that perimeter D is going to be high on their list of priorities
by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2008 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
YA But
I dont know how bad they can really be. They will be way better than anything Denver was. BD was OK at times when inspired. At 2 guard Mobley is not horrible. He is strong and can post smaller guards at times allowing the offense to run through him. Eric Gordon I am assuming will play more with Brevin Knight, Think PG version of Larry Hughes in how he plays D, its just since he is a point guard his gambles are further away from the basket and dont cause as much trouble, but sometimes those gambles kill the team. They are also looking at re signing Q Ross who can play D. He cant score, but he can guard people. Al T will get better, usually players from rookie to sophomore year improve most on defense. Dont believe me, watch the Rookie Sophomore game, so he will be ok. K Man is mobile for a man his size, I watched him play Dallas and he guarded Nowitzki and was effective against him. Camby is an above average defender at worse…I think he is great, but it can be argued he is just above average, That team is not too bad defensively.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Jul 17, 2008 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Denver won 50 games last year, and made the playoffs 5 years in a row
They didn’t do shit once in the postseason, but I doubt the Clippers have the roster to win what seems to be the 45-47 minimum games to even be considered for postseason contention in the West.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 17, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
With Camby gone
the only other team I could think of who might want Kirk is Atlanta. They need a point badly, and Josh Smith doesn’t like the newly extended Woodson. Sign and trade Kirk + something for J. Smith? That team has 6’9 athletes coming out of their ears. Smith may be a knucklehead, but he scores, rebounds, and blocks shots. At 23.
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Hawks...
have 15.8 going to Bibby this season (although he’s off the books after that). Maybe some kind of 3 way with GS is possible?
Woops
I forgot about Bibby. What an awful contract!
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Used to be
Used to be horrible a couple years back, good timing…
by NamingRightsOnSale on Jul 17, 2008 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Was referring to anybody paying
Bibby that much; now it’s wonderful.
I think the league has to address some of these tanking/contract issues. I have no solutions, but when a) teams tank to get ping pong balls b) teams adjust their rosters to get freeagents in 2010 () and c) outlandish contracts become “valuable” in their last year… some of this just seems out of whack. Oh well. Still love the game.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
How does Camby changing teams in any way affect anybody's PG situation?
The Clips can no longer just take salary back, but they still need a good PG. And Denver still needs PG help, and now has a big old trade exception to work with.
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
Kirk Hinrich to the Nuggets for cap relief?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Clips have Baron Davis
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Right idea, wrong team
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
My bad
Can’t believe I forgot about the FA deal that started it all!
Anyway, the point was simply that Camby moving didn’t change anyone’s PG situation, just the salary cap situation. I should have just stopped there…
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
KC Johnson finally put up an article about it...
...the good people of San Diego will no doubt be excited to have a pro basketball team again!
: )
uhhh
Anybody else see a problem with KC’s first sentence??
The San Diego Clippers’ Tuesday acquisition of Marcus Camby from Denver for an option to swap 2010 second-round draft picks has ramifications for the Bulls
by NormVanBeer on Jul 16, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
well the Trib's editor did resign...
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
There was a lot of late night
baseball editing.
by NBA Observer on Jul 16, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The Clips may not be done.
They could still trade Camby for Randolph since the Knicks were not interested in the salary cap dump they were offered.
If this is the last move the Clips and Nugs make, then neither will make the playoffs next season in the West.
Ooh, that makes sense!
Marcus Camby/Eddy Curry… what an odd, odd frontcourt.
One scores, the other plays defense.
One eats, the other doesn’t.
On the other hand, it’s better than z-bo/Curry.
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It could have been
Had Skiles, you know, not been a giant assbag and actually played Chandler more than 25 minutes a game. But hey, Antonio Davis never did anything to warrant him getting benched.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Blame Chandler
for being unable to stay out of foul trouble while he was here. Kind of hard to play someone 40 minutes if they get two quick fouls to start the game, and never slow down from there.
You mean like how Tyrus Thomas got quick fouls?
I think they both should have played more than the Bulls played them.
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I was thinking
the clips may just play Kaman at the PF. He had a solid season last year without Brand. Pair him with a strong defender in Camby and he can then guard the weaker offensive big.
I think the Clippers will be better than the Warriors next season if this concludes the player movement of both teams.
by NBA Observer on Jul 16, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
or at least the slower offensive big
I think Kaman/Camby are good complements to eachother, despite what positions it says on their basketball card.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
How many ppg will the Nugs give up next year?
They should break 110 points against/game now, right?
Paging Paul Westhead, Michael Adams, and Orlando Woolridge.
you rang?
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by Orlando Woolridge on Jul 16, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
George Karl wants to know . . .
Can YOU inspire the Baby Fresh Nugs to 130 pa/g?
it's all good me and George we share the same coke dealer
—big O
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by Orlando Woolridge on Jul 16, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
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