Breaking: Camby to Clips for a Second Rounder
[From the FanShots. Like 'fundamentallysound' says, it's good news and bad news for the Bulls. -ed.]
Well this should eat up most of that Clippers cap room, thus making Deng and BG more likely to settle for less. On the other hand, a Camby for Hinrich swap has been discussed and we can kiss that option goodbye. Hello, Al Harrington!
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Was just about to post this...bastard!
Really, though, I thought he might have been a decent option for us when it comes to getting rid of Kirk or Noc. So much for that.
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by Illini15 on Jul 15, 2008 8:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else think this means more moves are coming for Denver?
This certainly gives them much more cap space to work with…
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by Illini15 on Jul 15, 2008 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If they paid $13.5 mil in luxury tax
and Camby’s salary was $10 mil., that still leaves them $3.5 mil over the tax threshold.
Somebody check my work?
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by alec on Jul 15, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, first we need to check E. Stanley Kroenke's net worth...
by paxson43 on Jul 15, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 15, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they paid that based on last year's payroll
your work gets a check minus.
Here are the ‘08 numbers. They let Najera go, re-signed Anthony Carter for a minimum (or close to it). Not counting Camby or Taurean Green, they have $68.29m in guaranteed contracts. The tax is at $71.15m.
I doubt they go over again….but I guess they could do a move that takes back a bit more in salary now.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 15, 2008 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I shouldn’t have trivialized Carter’s contract, it’s $1.2m. That’s not taxable (because it’s a veteran minimum) but I believe it is figured into triggering the tax.
Also, they have the untidy matter of RFA J.R. Smith.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 15, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is kinda nuts
Clips are still OK now if you think about it
by Option27 on Jul 15, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They're defintely better than they were last year
Yeah, they lost Brand, but they didn’t have Brand last year anyways. I don’t think adding Baron Davis and Camby makes them a playoff team in the West, but they should be a 35-40 win team.
by Big D on Jul 15, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk about that...
they get Baron….and they get a 35 year old center who is prone to injures…they do get tons of cap space ion 2010, i think his contract is inly 2 yrs
by Jbonelli on Jul 16, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that doable because 2nd rounders don't have a predetermined salary number?
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by alec on Jul 15, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clips were way under the cap, mane.
With Maggette and Brand both bolting…
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by Illini15 on Jul 15, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the Clips being under explain why Denver didn't have to take anything back?
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by alec on Jul 15, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can do trades like any...
...other sport (no matching salaries) else if one of the teams will be under the cap after the trade..
Obviously, something has to be “traded” for their to be a trade. Hence, the future 2nd-rounder, about the most worthless thing ever.
And I have no idea where you got the idea that future draft picks have a predetermined salary number and then therefore can count towards matching money in trades. Some of the things you think of are just… it’s awesome.
by tyger1147 on Jul 15, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should know by now I'm never afraid to expose my...
ignorance.
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by alec on Jul 15, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or did the Clips have a trade exception?
Cause ain’t no 2nd rounder signing with in 125% of 13.5 mil
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 15, 2008 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Clippers were under the cap
They didn’t have to give up a matching salary.
by Big D on Jul 15, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
matching salary
And I thought that if it was a matching salary that it only had to be within 25% of the other salary (or 75%) if you were going lower than what you were trading.
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by WayOldGuy on Jul 16, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it does when both teams are over the cap
and nearly every team is always over the cap, which is why the 25%/75% is assumed in nearly all trade discussions.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the Clips, I don't see why they would pull the trigger on this deal so quickly
they just ate up all their remaining cap space without really even making much of a play for Josh Smith or Emeka Okafor (or anyone really). It’s better than them doing the same deal for Zach Randolph which the Knicks reportedly turned down (fools). Also, Camby is 34 and has two years remaining on his deal and I’d expect that we’ll see him slow down soon and there are signs that that’s already started. His PER the last three years 19.9, 19.1, and 17.2 this year. Great deal for the Nuggs if they are trying to go a different way and rebuild around Melo. I wouldn’t be surprised to see AI moved if they can pull it off.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 15, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
* they didn't eat up ALL their cap space, just a good chunk of it, apologies for any confusion
the point still stands though. A pretty big cap hit for a guy that is getting up their in age.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 15, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this is why they're the Clippers
Plugging up their cap space with Camby when there was that much talent still to be had, and with basically no other teams left to bid against them… it makes no sense.
I don’t understand why Denver made that move, though. Even without Iverson’s contract, they’ll still be right at the cap for each of the next two seasons (they have $43 mil on the books for the 09-10 season, and that’s for just 5 players), so they might as well have kept Camby through this year and rolled the dice with a veteran team.
by YaoPau on Jul 15, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "might as well" here
comes with a hefty luxury tax bill, though. The owner took a shot building his team around Melo, AI, and Camby. They went to the playoffs a couple times. But with the way the West was looking, this didn’t look like a championship team, especially with Camby and AI getting older. I’m guessing the owner didn’t want to pay an extra $13M or whatever just to have another low playoff seed; he’d rather restart the rebuilding process so he can take advantage of Melo’s prime, Kleiza’s prime, Nene’s possible health, and maybe even JR Smith.
by arjoseph on Jul 16, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why trigger it quickly? Simple
To grab the amazing opportunity of picking a former DPY, top 5 rebounder, top 5 shotblocker for a 2nd round pick… to seize the momentum… something Paxson is having SO much difficulty to learn…
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 15, 2008 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because unlike the Bulls, they had options
They had a ton of cap space to throw at Josh Smith or Okafor, who are far superior options to Camby at this time. Now, you have 2 7 foot centers at the 4 and 5 spots? Or does Camby come off the bench? I don’t know, it’s not like they gave up anything to get him, but they sacrificed their financial flexibility when a better option could have been theres.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2008 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They still have flexibility.
They know they can’t compete in the West this year. So they took on a player that will probably help them give up less points per game and help out.
They have Baron, E. Gordon/Mobley, Thornton, Camby, and Kaman.
Mobley, Camby and Tim Thomas come off the books in 2010.
They’ve set themselves up at least to make a run at a big FA come 2010; better than the Knicks and Nets it seems.
by kingj41 on Jul 16, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the thing
1) There was always the risk of getting nothing in restricted free agency. And come on! Okafor is not as good as Camby (only younger)
2) As kingj41 said: Cap space for 2010 – with the possibility of maintaining Camby for a MUCH lower salary
3) Don’t forget they have amazing trade possibilities now. They can trade either Camby or Kaman. I still think one of those would look Good on Bulls roster – I wish they would trade us Camby for Hughes… Clippers need a 2-guard… :-)
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 16, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okafor is not as good as Camby?
You’re telling me that if Okafor didn’t play in Denver with a billion more possessions he wouldn’t grab a couple more rebounds a game? Camby is a solid starting center, but I don’t see how this makes the Clippers any better. Kaman is a horrible defender inside, and one of them is going to be guarding athletic power forwards? Baron Davis and Eric Gordon make for one of the weakest defensive backcourts on paper as well. This trade could have been done after they made runs at Josh Smith or Okafor, textbook panic move by the genius Clippers.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clippers - weakest defensive backcourts?
I’m pretty sure anyone and their grandma is able to blow by Denver’s back court… thats why they were giving up 110 pts a game. We all know that Denver is one of the worst defensive teams in the league. This is why Camby is such a great talent. 3+ blocks a game and who knows how many other altered shots. Hes GREAT at help defensive. Defensive player of the year, what, 2 years ago? I dont see Okafor’s name near that list…....Camby is a lot more talented and helpful than you underestimate…..
Also, you’re wrong about this trade being completed after a run at JSmooth or Okafor because they wouldnt be under of the Cap had they signed one of them…
by yetti on Jul 16, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You missed my point
I said the Clippers should have tried to get Smith or Okafor for a long term committment. Hell just go after Smith then if Okafor is no good. If he spurns the Clippers, then that Camby trade is obviously still available, since Denver’s desire to cut costs wouldn’t dissipate in a week or so.
And Denver gives up a ton of points because they have more possessions per game than any other team in the league, including the Suns. More possessions=more points. They aren’t the Celtics on defense, but they aren’t as horrendous as everyone makes them out to be.
And I don’t underestimate Camby. He’s a fine addition to the team, and should help Kaman focus moreso on offense. I’m just saying the Clippers could have locked up a younger player with more potential, but what’s done is done.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point
I essentially agree, I wouldve gone after Josh Smith as well… hes going to be a hell of a player in the next decade….but i guess the Clippers feel that Camby is going to have essentially or generally close the same impact as JSMITH or Okafor for the nest 2 years. Then his contact comes of the books for the great 2010 FA bidding….and with LA’s excellent weather/city, young talented roster of Al Thorton, EGordon, BDavis(in prime), and kamen, they feel like they can make a run at a SuperStar…..guessing that is their idea… but i wouldve attempted to snag up JSMITH, especially with no other team besides memphis with cap room…. lol they are the worst managed NBA team over the last 2 decades for a reason…IDIOTS
by yetti on Jul 16, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya but
Couple things to fix it quick, first quick fix is retaining Q ROSS and playing him at the 2 with BD, Al T and the Big guys… He can play defense and another quick fix, they were looking at Keyon Dooling who can play D and is about 6’3 ish…OR Maybe we trick them and send them Larry Hughes some how with them thinking he is a good defender and 2 guard. Just wishful thinking…
by NamingRightsOnSale on Jul 17, 2008 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure...
Remember when Paxson seized the momentum by grabbing a former DPY who was a top 5 rebounder and shotblocker? And he didn’t even give up a draft pick!
That worked well.
by Tyrant10 on Jul 16, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
two big differences were length of contract and size of contract
Camby at 8 mil a year for 2 year is much easier to swallow than Wallace at 13-14 mil a year for 4 years.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND maybe Camby still
has a heartbeat…... Maaaaaaybe.
by gman2849 on Jul 16, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he has more than a 3 inch verticle
Then he would still be better than “big” ben wallace
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by piccolomair on Jul 16, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he has a heartbeat
he would be better then “the corpse”
by gman2849 on Jul 17, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About Ben Wallace
1) as fundamentallysound said the problem wasn’t the player but the contract
2) Ben Wallace didn’t played well but neither did any of the Bulls. I still think the major problem wasn’t Big Ben but crazy Scott Skiles. I would have have waited to see him with a new coach than making the Cavs trade
3) I would rather see Paxson taking this kind of risks than take the safe route of eternal rebuilding
4) You sould always be careful if you hire a guy who is leaving a team in championship contention for a building one for money. He did what was right for him but the Bulls should no better that was kind of a retirement move of his part
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 16, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They all seemed to play well when they won 49 games
And that season it became evident that Ben Wallace wasn’t going all out every game, because as any sane person would have realized, his numbers were declining annually in Detroit.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
1) in ben wallace’s case, it was BOTH the player and the contract. even if he was a minimum salary player, at some point his presence became more of a detriment to the young impressionable team than a strength.
2) ben wallace DID get a new coach… in cleveland… and the same type of minutes and production, even with a 7’ center playing next to him. what type of production do you expect from him in a bulls uniform with a new coach?...
3) i agree that i would rather the bulls take chances, but if you are talking about the bulls trying to rent camby for a couple years, and tying up cap space for or RFA’s, when we have a younger similar player in noah who needs the playing time, i would disagree. camby is good. he would have been better 2 years ago for this team. not today. this bulls team will have trouble scoring this year, with or without derrick rose.
4) it’s tough to call wallace’s move from title contenders to merely playoff contenders a retirement move. a financial security move, maybe. except for the select few who already have all the money they need, most players just want the security of long term deals and lots of zeros at the end of the paychecks…. kind of like you and me…
by leeac on Jul 16, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news
because now the Clips can’t make a big offer for Deng as they were reportedly considering.
(Clips salaries would seem to put them just under $7M under the cap).
by Sports2 on Jul 15, 2008 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So that means the RFAs are staying put pretty much
Good news for Atlanta, probably not so good news for Josh Smith.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 15, 2008 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
FD must be rejoicing.
The Joe Johnson and J-Smoove duo lives on!
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by Illini15 on Jul 15, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
42 win seasons from here on out
It’s an exciting time to be a Hawk fan!
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 15, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the right to _swap_ second round picks.
It’s even worse than Camby for a 2nd rounder.. The Clipper’s website has it as a potential pick-swap.
But it does bring their roster more into focus.
by ziffle on Jul 15, 2008 11:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stein says this creates a $10.1 mil trade exception. Daaaamn.
Using the salary-cap space earmarked for re-signing Brand before his free-agent departure to the Philadelphia 76ers, L.A. was able to absorb Camby’s contract ($10 million for each of the next two seasons) without surrendering anything of consequence beyond Denver creating a trade exception worth $10.1 million that expires one year from Tuesday.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3491156
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by Illini15 on Jul 15, 2008 11:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
man what if the bulls had that exception
that should get us one nice role player eh?
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by piccolomair on Jul 16, 2008 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Smith left us 5.8 million
There aren’t any steals out there, but there are some solid vets the Bulls could add before it expires.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2008 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This trade is crazy!
I bet Loul and Ben are pissed. free agency is pretty much over.
Rose / Obama 08
by illwill on Jul 16, 2008 12:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW
I live in LA and when I heard this, I was like what the hell they thinking? They went from bad with money, to average with no money, but they will be under cap BIG for 2010 when everyone wants to save money for and with a team of BD, Eric Gordon, Al T, and lots and lots of money, and LA, someone might take it… I think Camby is really good by the way at what he does. If teamed with a scoring 4 man, he can be great in a quest for a title. He was exposed in Denver a little too much cause of the gambling habits of AI and JR and Melo. With a good perimeter defensive team he can be an even more efficient center.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Jul 16, 2008 3:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately with B-Diddy and EGordon (or Cuttino Mobley) as the starting backcourt it doesn't appear that perimeter D is going to be high on their list of priorities
by fundamentallysound on Jul 16, 2008 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why this is so intriguing.
To me, anyway.
by tyger1147 on Jul 16, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YA But
I dont know how bad they can really be. They will be way better than anything Denver was. BD was OK at times when inspired. At 2 guard Mobley is not horrible. He is strong and can post smaller guards at times allowing the offense to run through him. Eric Gordon I am assuming will play more with Brevin Knight, Think PG version of Larry Hughes in how he plays D, its just since he is a point guard his gambles are further away from the basket and dont cause as much trouble, but sometimes those gambles kill the team. They are also looking at re signing Q Ross who can play D. He cant score, but he can guard people. Al T will get better, usually players from rookie to sophomore year improve most on defense. Dont believe me, watch the Rookie Sophomore game, so he will be ok. K Man is mobile for a man his size, I watched him play Dallas and he guarded Nowitzki and was effective against him. Camby is an above average defender at worse…I think he is great, but it can be argued he is just above average, That team is not too bad defensively.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Jul 17, 2008 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denver won 50 games last year, and made the playoffs 5 years in a row
They didn’t do shit once in the postseason, but I doubt the Clippers have the roster to win what seems to be the 45-47 minimum games to even be considered for postseason contention in the West.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 17, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a better deal than taking Randolph.
Denver taking AI looks like a big mistake right now.
by chgobr on Jul 16, 2008 6:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
With Camby gone
the only other team I could think of who might want Kirk is Atlanta. They need a point badly, and Josh Smith doesn’t like the newly extended Woodson. Sign and trade Kirk + something for J. Smith? That team has 6’9 athletes coming out of their ears. Smith may be a knucklehead, but he scores, rebounds, and blocks shots. At 23.
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by MPG on Jul 16, 2008 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawks...
have 15.8 going to Bibby this season (although he’s off the books after that). Maybe some kind of 3 way with GS is possible?
by M 80 on Jul 16, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woops
I forgot about Bibby. What an awful contract!
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by MPG on Jul 16, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Used to be
Used to be horrible a couple years back, good timing…
by NamingRightsOnSale on Jul 17, 2008 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was referring to anybody paying
Bibby that much; now it’s wonderful.
I think the league has to address some of these tanking/contract issues. I have no solutions, but when a) teams tank to get ping pong balls b) teams adjust their rosters to get freeagents in 2010 () and c) outlandish contracts become “valuable” in their last year… some of this just seems out of whack. Oh well. Still love the game.
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by MPG on Jul 18, 2008 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does Camby changing teams in any way affect anybody's PG situation?
The Clips can no longer just take salary back, but they still need a good PG. And Denver still needs PG help, and now has a big old trade exception to work with.
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
by wjb1492 on Jul 16, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk Hinrich to the Nuggets for cap relief?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clips have Baron Davis
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right idea, wrong team
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
Can’t believe I forgot about the FA deal that started it all!
Anyway, the point was simply that Camby moving didn’t change anyone’s PG situation, just the salary cap situation. I should have just stopped there…
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
by wjb1492 on Jul 16, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC Johnson finally put up an article about it...
...the good people of San Diego will no doubt be excited to have a pro basketball team again!
: )
by POSEYHATER on Jul 16, 2008 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
uhhh
Anybody else see a problem with KC’s first sentence??
The San Diego Clippers’ Tuesday acquisition of Marcus Camby from Denver for an option to swap 2010 second-round draft picks has ramifications for the Bulls
by NormVanBeer on Jul 16, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well the Trib's editor did resign...
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a lot of late night
baseball editing.
by NBA Observer on Jul 16, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Clips may not be done.
They could still trade Camby for Randolph since the Knicks were not interested in the salary cap dump they were offered.
If this is the last move the Clips and Nugs make, then neither will make the playoffs next season in the West.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 16, 2008 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ooh, that makes sense!
Marcus Camby/Eddy Curry… what an odd, odd frontcourt.
by YaoPau on Jul 16, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One scores, the other plays defense.
One eats, the other doesn’t.
On the other hand, it’s better than z-bo/Curry.
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by MPG on Jul 16, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's probably the most extreme example of an offense/defense frontcourt split ever.
by potato0328 on Jul 16, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could have been
Had Skiles, you know, not been a giant assbag and actually played Chandler more than 25 minutes a game. But hey, Antonio Davis never did anything to warrant him getting benched.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blame Chandler
for being unable to stay out of foul trouble while he was here. Kind of hard to play someone 40 minutes if they get two quick fouls to start the game, and never slow down from there.
by runningman on Jul 16, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean like how Tyrus Thomas got quick fouls?
I think they both should have played more than the Bulls played them.
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by bullhockey on Jul 16, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking
the clips may just play Kaman at the PF. He had a solid season last year without Brand. Pair him with a strong defender in Camby and he can then guard the weaker offensive big.
I think the Clippers will be better than the Warriors next season if this concludes the player movement of both teams.
by NBA Observer on Jul 16, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or at least the slower offensive big
I think Kaman/Camby are good complements to eachother, despite what positions it says on their basketball card.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 16, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many ppg will the Nugs give up next year?
They should break 110 points against/game now, right?
Paging Paul Westhead, Michael Adams, and Orlando Woolridge.
by pguilian on Jul 16, 2008 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you rang?
"There is no 'i' in team, but there is in win."
--23
by Orlando Woolridge on Jul 16, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
George Karl wants to know . . .
Can YOU inspire the Baby Fresh Nugs to 130 pa/g?
by pguilian on Jul 16, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all good me and George we share the same coke dealer
—big O
"There is no 'i' in team, but there is in win."
--23
by Orlando Woolridge on Jul 16, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs













