Chicago - La Lakers Trade?
by ChrisG on Jul 1, 2008 11:00 PM CDT
Email
PrintI'm just throwing this out there, but it seems relatively fair to me.
Chicago trades:
Kirk Hinrich
Andres Nocioni
LA Trades:
Lamar Odom
Coby Karl
I know the Lakers were frustrated by Odom in the finals this year and are looking for some defensive toughness to surround Kobe with. Nocioni and Hinrich seem to fit the bill. This trade works under the cap rules while Kirk is still in his BYC. Players and picks could obviously be added, but I think the core of this deal makes a lot of sense for both teams.
FanPosts are user-created posts from the BlogABull community, and are to be treated as the opinions and views of that particular user, not that of the blogger or blog community as a whole.
114 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
And if we're
rebuilding and retooling do we really need Odom. Last year yes,this coming year ,no.
Kirk's no longer in his BYC as of July 1
Though, I wouldn’t mind a one year rental on Odom if it got rid of both Kirk and Noce contracts
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
I wish
There was a way to tell from a headline if a trade was an actual rumor or just someone “throwing this out there.”
I like this deal for the Bulls more than the Lakers
You dump two contracts and get a really solid player in Odom. Sure he can be frustrating at times, but would that be different from Hinrich and Noch?
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
WHUUUUUt!!!!
odom is a solid sixth or seventh man off the bench.
Do we really want
Odom stealing minutes from Deng & Tyrus?
a split of minutes
between the 3 wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world….(30-32 mins seems like adequate minutes from this cats….anymore and they start losing focus)....
thabo is better off splitting mins at the 2 spot…seems like we have more of a need to have him as a solid backcourt player than his projected point-forward potential (that will come with time as he bulks up and gains experience)...great to see him at DR’s press conf
by chicagosports23 on Jul 2, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
And what about Nocioni and Gooden
Forward minutes are limited as is.
Don't know why everyone's crapping on this trade idea
though I think the Lakers are taking on too much money for it to be cap legal, it’s actually a really good deal for the Bulls.
management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment! Flag jerkfaces!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2008 9:44 AM CDT reply actions
I thought people were crapping on it from the Bulls perspective
It’s not that bad for the Lakers. Though if they’re going to cash in their one real trade chip for a 3, it wouldn’t be Nocioni.
management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment! Flag jerkfaces!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Especially since he's way too similar to Radmanovich.
Plus, I’m already weary of the “let’s trade this guy for this guy” stuff, since, for one, I believe Paxson when he says he really won’t even think about trades until Gordon and Deng’s issues are resolved. But that’s my problem.
But yeah, getting rid of the two worst contracts for one that ends this next year would be a coup for the Bulls. Why, oh why, did Paxson overpay these two guys? (And no, they’re not vastly overpaid, and I don’t think Hinrich’s was bad at the time, but it’s bad now, and everyone knew Nocioni’s was too much and too long.)
I'd say Paxson's inactivity
means we should have even more ‘lets trade this guy’ stuff, for our own entertainment.
management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment! Flag jerkfaces!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Their roster would be terrific:
Kirk
Kobe
Noce
Gasol
Bynum
with Farmer, Vujacic, and Walton off the bench.
That’s a dynasty right there, IMO.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jul 2, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
if i know phil...
Fisher/Kirk/Farmar/Bryant (minutes eater)/Vujacic would create quite a logjam
by chicagosports23 on Jul 2, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
It has questionable appeal for the Lakers
in the long run.
They have to pay Bynum either this year or next Summer. They have to pay or decline Vujacic and Turiaf this Summer.
The player personnel and the coaches had to notice how badly the team was torched defensively at the SF position in the finals. Noc doesn’t really help there. Kirk would be a more reliable PG option that plays most of the PG minutes even if Fisher starts.
If you take away Odom you take away the primary ball handler/penetrator for the 8 or so minutes that Kobe sits. However, when you get Bynum back you will have two back to the basket post options that can both come out and set a high screen. Kirk can run this set.
I think the Lakers two biggest questions they have to answer this Summer is strengthening the SF position defensively that won’t give away too much offense and improving the defense of their backup point guard.
by NBA Observer on Jul 2, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry about the title, i meant to title it as a proposal-
However, I don’t understand why we wouldn’t want this deal. First of all, Odom is an experienced proven scorer (except in NBA Finals games), and he happens to average the magical 10 rebounds per game that everyone is craving.
Additionally, we’re sending out 2 high priced players for 1. This means consolidation.
He also happens to be a 6-10 PF, who might not be that different from what the talented Mr. Beasley turns out to be. And I hate to use these words, especially on this site, but what the hell has Tyrus Thomas shown anyone to prove that he can even play in a regular 8-man rotation. I love the kid, but if we’re counting on him heading into the season to play 35 mpg at PF, then we’re in trouble. Gooden is alright, but Odom can be a fringe all-star.
Finally, I threw in Coby Karl to be factually correct. The NBA trade machine on ESPN approves this trade as is.
The point of this deal is to rid us of the 2nd worst contract on the roster
And Hinrich’s deal isn’t all roses either. But, does LA even bother to look at this kind of deal when they are worrying about how much money Bynum is going to ask for?
i gotta disagree
the number 1 terrible contract on the bulls is larry hugues. even though hes not part of the deal or what not, that fact must be stated.
with the number one overall pick, the chicago bulls select...
I disagree.
Just in terms of a player’s contract compared to their play? Yes. But if we’re talking about the value of contracts, which I think we are, then Hughes’s 2010 expiring deal is pretty valuable from here on out.
I said 2nd worst contract....
Hence, not first.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I agee Yibs
If noce can play better this season (everyone has too) I think he can traded for something good. Noce is not great but he is still a better version than James Posey – the guy everyone is trying to get right now
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 3, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I think with Kobe as a free agent after the season
they do anything they can to stay a contender
I have to say
I love this trade. The Lakers totally fit a need, getting a solid top 10-15 PG in Hinrich, and a solid veteran who will work wonders on a contending team in Nocioni…..
The Bulls get another versatile big, imagine if Thabo comes into his own, Deng continues his gradual improvement, Tyrus develops, and Noah develops and we add in the VERY versatile and very much underrated Odom with Rose, the Bulls could be awesome! Not to mention it sounds like Paxson’s priorities are still to resign BOTH Deng and BG, so we may still have Gordon to that mix!
Our versatility will turn us into an elite team if we added Odom (presuming our other guys continue to improve slightly)...
Why do the Lakers need a solid PG?
They have Fisher, who is 10000 times the floor and locker room leader than Hinrich is. He plays good defense, and you don’t need an amazing PG to play the triangle. Kobe and Odom will bring the ball up as much as Fisher or Farmar would. Their defensive weakness was a lack of size (toughness) in the paint. Once you shore up your interior defense, it makes it much easier to guard the perimeter.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Fish
is getting older and at times got roasted by Rondo in the Finals. I’m not high on Kirk, but he’s definitely an upgrade over Fisher in my eyes.
After the SF position
the PG position was the Lakers greatest deficiency in the finals.
by NBA Observer on Jul 2, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
rondo
also completely roasted kirk when the bulls played the celtics
Fisher
Is hardly in the same category as Hinrich (Hinrich is younger, better defender, has better skills—better offensive player, nice leader, and one who’s stats have suffered by playing on a team without ANY help inside). Fisher’s a solid player, he’d serve a solid role coming off the bench with his clutch shooting….but as others mentioned he’s getting older/losing a step, and even at his peak wasn’t quite in the Hinrich league. THe Lakers would have one helluva defensive combo with Bryant and Hinrich at the guards and Bynum down low. Add the gritty Noce to the mix, and their D is solid (Which was their only weakness last year). They can afford to have Pau in the middle because of his fabulous offensive skills if they increase their D.
Saying Kirk is a lesser player than Fisher is a joke. I know folks are down on him because of the mediocre year, but much of that had to do with the mess the Bulls were in too…..had Deng and Gordon and Wallace not COMPLETELY SUCKED to start the year off, their PG would have been a bit more solid. Deng and BG forgot to play defense until January because they were so consumed iwth their contract status….Big Ben just gave up, and the young guys weren’t yet what we hoped. Kirk wasn’t solid the first half either, but I do think he tried to overcompensate because of his new contract and because of hte lack of defensive presence from the 2 guys beside him and the guy in the middle…..I mean even in Jan and Feb you could see Deng dogging it a bit on the D side, and Gordon’s hardly been a great defender, but he too had moments of complete disinterest on D.
Add in the fact that Boylan the 2nd half didn’t know how to work the team or maximize anyone’s strengths and Captain Kirk really suffered. Look at Kirks 1-4 years, he was fabulous. Look at Kirk’s January numbers when Deng and BG were hurt and the scrubs came in and played hard…..Kirk was solid again. He didn’t continue this in Feb-April because we added Hughes to the mix and it became (let’s display our talent for trade possiblities…....thinking Kirk was the keeper. it was only now that we had the #1 overall pick lottery win that we got Rose and made Kirk expendable, otherwise I would have expected a sayonara to Deng this offseason in a sign and trade.
Their defensive weakness was interior D, how does Noce solve that at all
And I’m saying Fisher is more valuable because he balances out Kobe’s constant mood swings towards his tammates. It’s not a coincidence that the year Kobe starts being buddy buddy with his team is when Fisher comes back. Kirk is a good PG, but how is that the Lakers’ most pressing need when they don’t even rely on their PG’s to run the offense that much?
And trading Odom means Nocioni is a full-time starting SF. I don’t buy him at that position at all, espeically as a starter. His defensive woes at the position have been well-documented. Grit and hustle are not worth 8 million a year.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Kobe didn't magically get along with his teammates. They won, so he shut up.
Classic case of winning cures all, and no, they didn’t win because they were “happier” or had better “camraderie” they won because they became a more a talented team.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 2, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
They started off hot the past two seasons as well
He was still an idiot. This year, he was different early on in the season. Basically the same team, with the exception of Bynum playing better.
And fine, disregard the importance of veteran leadership. This still makes no sense for the Lakers. A team that needs rebounding and interior defense…..trades for Kirk and Nocioni. Not buying it.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I do agree with the assertion that Hinrich and Nocioni for Odom is a bad deal for LA
Odom has more value than that. Artest for Odom seems most likely to me.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 2, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Which is why I don’t understand the need for this trade in LA’s perspective. They are taking on longer contracts when they know it will take some cash to extend Bynum.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think Bynum is to big a bet for LA
they should package bynum and odom for brand or for rasheed wallace and tyshaun prince. They would do better vs. Celtics
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 3, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Since you're defending Kirk, I think it's worth adding...
he played most of the season with dislocated finger. Not making excuses for him or claiming he was an all-star in his first 4 years, but I have tried to play with my middle fingers taped together and it affects everything- especially shooting. Kobe played with a torn ligament in his finger and obviously he had an MVP year, but that was his pinky…
Fisher sucks
A guy with his experience playing with kobe, gasol and odom could not leave the floor with less than 8 assists per game. He turns the ball over in critical moments and his aggressiveness doesn’t last more than 3 minutes per game. If Fisher was a reliable player LA would not have other 3 pg in the bench. That is why the Lakers got smashed in the Finals. When the time comes Fisher and Odom’s game disappears
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 3, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Nit Picking here
But how come when it comes to getting rid of Hinrich he’s suddenly a “top 10-15 PG” and when he’s on the team he’s dead weight?
Is it too much to ask for a little consistency here?
On another note, there is absolutely nothing that Odom will bring us that we don’t already have some semblence of. The only tip that would even get me to even consider this deal if his contract expires by that magical 2010 FA year.
You're not nitpicking with me
I do think Kirk is a 10-15 PG and would never have said differently. I think last year was a joke for the entire organization, as the team that used to play as a unit completely fell apart, and Kirk suffered quite a bit for htis.
I think he is “dead weight” on our team because we’ve just drafted the point guard of the future for the NBA in Rose, and we don’t need to have 2 solid NBA PG’s.
I would be fine with the argument that we keep Hinrich and trade Gordon, but I think BG’s signing the 1 yr qualifying offer anyway.
If we could just trade Hughes (near impossible until trading deadline in 2010 I bet) we’d be fine with what we have, but we have too much money in our frontcourt now that we’ve drafted a guy who experts think might even give CP3 a run for the money as the future PG in the NBA (ESPN, Sporting News)....
So yes that signing made Hinrich’s bloated contract and lesser (presumably than Rose) play expendible.
Gotcha...
But this trade makes sense more for the Lakers than for us. In fact, I think this team (minus Hughes) is pretty set as it goes. I think that the only issue we need to resolve is who we want as our starting SG for the next season, Kirk or BG…
Hughes is walking cap space and Thabo’s cheap enough for us not to even care about for a while.
No issue with you per se but just thought I’d point out that Kirk was our starting PG, and if Rose doesn’t turn into CP3 within 20 minutes of stepping out on the court… I’d like a parachute until he’s somewhat ready
I think we need some more help in the paint
While Odom’s soft, he’s a helluva rebounder, which doesn’t hurt. We just have too many guards…...to make everyone happy, so while it would seem we’re set because of the talent at the 1-2-3 spot, we have too much of it to appease everyone. Hughes will demand 25MPG, and while Chicago fans might say (well tough shite), Hughes’s talents warrant at least that playing time—he’s too skilled not to play more than 50% of the games, and he just makes too much money. Hughes isn’t upper crust SG’s, but he is a solid SG with many skills. If he just consistently used his skills he could justify that contract of his, but at this point I doubt that’s happening, and thus we’re stuck with Larry for at least 1.5 more years.
Gordon’s solid enough to deserve 30-35MPG. Hinrich’s a more than legitimate starting guard in this league 30-35 MPG. Rose is our future and should at minimum play 28-30MPG, though deserves more…..plus we’ve got Thabo who seems to have gobs of potential too.
There are just too many guards. We have to package a few players.
Removing Hinrich’s poor (but will improve as it declines in value) contract and Nocioni’s too high for a rebuilding team contract and adding in the very versatile Odom, who can play anywhere from 1-4, will definately help us:
Rose-PG
Hughes-SG
Deng-SF
Odom-PF
Noah-C
with a bench lead by Gordon, Tyrus, Thabo, Gooden (Gooden may be miffed a bit, but he’ll still get more than his share of minutes given that our 5 spot is thin)....
We still have room to trade after this trade for Odom, and still have room to grab more guys using the Joe Smith exception from last year and the $5.8M salary exception we get every year.
With Odom in the mix, and room to add another solid couple of pieces (sharpshooter compliment who can play some 2 and 3 to BG), A solid veteran C/defender role player….the Bulls look much closer to championship level than at present (presuming Rose can come in and CP3 it this year and not look like Deron Williams or Jay Williams did in their rookie years)....
Also Versatility
in today’s NBA is a fabulous thing to have. If this proposed trade idea from a fan actually bared anything in realtiy, it would be awesome because we’d have all that versatility in Noah, Tyrus, Odom, Deng, Hughes to play at least 4 ball handlers on the court at any time (Noah can handle hte ball some, Tyrus can’t but his D and athleticism still makes him very versatile….Hughes might be better as a PG because of his size, etc. but he wants to shoot too much, if we control that side, then he becomes more of an asset than a gaping hole of $$).
Start Gordon and Thomas
Let Rose dominate the ball to start games. Bring in Thabo at SG and Odom at PF/SF if needed to take relief from ball-handling duties for Rose. Don’t ever mention Hughes startinga gain.
And no, the Bulls aren’t anywhere near championship-level right now. They’re going to be playing the youngest guys on the team the most minutes. That should be a pretty well-known fact by now.
It SHOULD be a fact
-playing thomas many minutes last should have been a fact
-playing ben gordon and kirk hinrich the majority together last year should have been a fact
-Thabo being the first guard off the bench should have been a fact
-Boylan never coaching should have been a fact
-The bulls winning at least 42 games and making it to the playoffs should have been a fact
-Noch making role player money should have been a fact
The problem with this organization is the things that seem logical, and the things that should be easily fact, or often overlooked, underestimated, or blown out of proportion, and thus the thing that should happen do not. So although all signs say that the young guys will play more this year, that doesnt mean a majority, and that doesnt mean hughes wont be starting, and it doesnt mean that thomas, thabo, or rose will see 20 min, nor does it mean that that noch and hughes will see less then 30 min.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
If you haven't noticed, things have become a little different.
We all talked about what we thought should have happened, but Paxson and Skiles never said such things. Paxson and Del Negro are saying such things. If you can’t see the difference between what BaB’ers think should happen and what the words coming out of the General Manager’s and Head Coache’s mouths actually are.. well, then…...........
Oh, and I realize "fact" in predicting the future...
...is, technically, an inaccurate statement. Again, though, if you can’t actually see what I’m saying, then I’m sorry. Kind of.
Im not sure
My memory is a bit sucky but….When boylan became coach, didnt both boylan and paxson preach about getting some of the younger guys in the game more, and no more pulling for minor reasons? Instead, the younger guys still didnt see court time, and people were pulled for NO reason….thats what i mean. Paxson and negro spoke of playing uptempo and having defense lead to offense, i really think thats what the bulls have tried to do last year and the year before, you know when skiles or boylan would wave thier hands forward and yell “Push It!”.
In the middle of the season the bulls started playing faster, when wallace left, and the tribune talked about it, using hinrich as a reference point who had been getting a few more assists and points at the time of March, and he said it was due to playing fast paced and how he sort of liked it.
The point is that, paxson and negro might have said were gonna play at a fast paced, but i think by design, when you dont have have a solid low post presence, and you dont have a great xs and os guy like skiles coaching, then you will be pushing it by default due to how your roster is set up (jumpshooters, and slashers). I admit it should be faster then last year with d. rose running the point and his ability to penetrate, but i dont think we will become a “7 seconds or less” team.
Also about playing the young guys more, umm, we have the youngest team in the nba, everyone is young, the oldest of the bunch (thus far) is hughes, gooden, and kirk. So you are playing “the young guys” by default. Or it could mean that tyrus, noah, and thabo get 5 minutes added to thier playtime, and rose gets to see the court for 24 minutes, because really the only young guy that i think the bulls are gonna cater to is the guy who definetly gonna be an all star (and the bulls want him to be such sooner then later).
My point in short can be defined by this phrase…Ill Believe it When I See It…..im not taking anything the organization says without a lump of salt
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
well, let me give you the cliffsnotes
buzz, buzz, buzz…angry about Kirk…buzz, buzz, buzz.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
....
:sigh:
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
You should have posted another essay
Just out of spite.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2008 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh
One day ill write a rant on how ben gordon surpasses michael jordan, and laugh quietly knowing no one read it…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
"paxson and negro"
well…i doubt it’ll be the last time that faux pas happens here :)
management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment! Flag jerkfaces!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Odom is not a better rebounder than gooden
just check the stats. Odom is a gooden playing more minutes per game.
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 3, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know that people are changing their tunes...
I just think there’s a split opinion on him and each side is voicing their opinion. People talk more about things they’re upset with than things they’re content with, so the anti-Kirk peeps are probably more vociferous on BAB…
The more you know. (shooting star)
I have no idea why the opinion on Kirk has changed
although it could be, I don’t know, Derrick Rose
management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment! Flag jerkfaces!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
"absolutely nothing that Odom will bring us that we don’t already have some semblence of"
hmmm, well for one, hes a refined, talented, scoring oriented big-man who can grab 10 rebounds a game, whose proven over the last decade to be a team leader….but yea, that’s clearly a redundancy on this roster, lol
team leader?
phil jackson called him “confused on the court”. thats not a good sign for a fearless leader.
with the number one overall pick, the chicago bulls select...
by Yibs on Jul 2, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Odom is not a team leader
He is an unselfish player, that doesn’t mean he is a leader. Too often you have to light a fire under him to get him to play hard, not a great thing.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Remember that game against Boston that he played a fantastic 1st quarter and they simply vanished from the game? That’s the typical Odom
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 3, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe team leader goes too far
But he has “led” teams, as in, be the go-to #1 scorer on a team. im not sure we can say that about anyone else on this roster yet
Again, not buying his status as a #1 scorer
He usually shies away from being the primary scorer, and his best seasons have come as the 3rd banana (Miami with Wade and Butler, this year with Kobe and Gasol).
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Not suggesting he should be
Just pointing out that he has (Clips)
So we can conclude that...
He was the leading scorer on a team that won 2 less games than we did last year. OK, so then he’d be a good 3rd scoring option on this team, right?
He's a great 3rd option for many teams
If bringing him here got rid of Nocioni, it’d be a huge coup.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 2, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Phuck Trades...
I know every1 on this blog wants to see what happens with thabo, tyrus, deng, noah, and either way rose will be developing over next few years. Especially with everything we have been hearing about the improvement at that camp in orlando. Lets just let our team play, and see what happens. Let other organizations come to us for a deal, and if we get offerred a good one then go for it. Last year sucked in every way possible, and for reasons different than a lack of talent. We have such an exciting team and I would be so content with leaving it the way it is (for now). 2 years ago we were dominating the east with a less talented team. This year is going to be a project either way with the #1 pick learning, alot of other young talent improving, and a brand new coaching staff coming in. I think last year may have served as motivation to our team, and we should give them another chance. Every1 sucked last year, and we keep singling ppl out like kirk and noce. Theres was no motivation for any1, no unity, no passion, no chemistry. Relax, I think this year is gonna be soooo much better, and even without any trades.
kthx
management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment! Flag jerkfaces!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyways, if anyone cares more about why I want this trade (I'm guessing not)...
Or is looking for clarification, This is what I wrote Henry Abbot of TrueHoop – it’s up on the Wednesday bullets right now:
””I’m a huge Bulls fan and am playing GM. As I see it, we have a few major issues still remaining on this team. First, we need to trade Hinrich and Nocioni, not because I don’t love them, but because we’re not in a position to have their salaries on our payroll and have them come off the bench. Secondly, while many die-hard Bulls fans still believe Tyrus Thomas is the second coming of Shawn Kemp (in a good way, I hope), we need a proven scoring-oriented big who can also rebound. And finally, we have 10 men in our eight-man rotation. The Lakers are natural suitors for us. Anyone who watched the Finals sees they they need a lot of toughness and defense to surround Kobe with. So I propose this to you: Why don’t the Lakers swap Lamar Odom (and a salary filler, like Coby Karl) to the Bulls for Hinrich, Nocioni, and maybe a throw-in or protected draft pick? Although we saw how soft Odom can be at times, he’s a 6-10 scorer who has proven he can get his 10 rebounds a game. Playing along guys like Thomas and Noah will take a lot of the pressure off him to be a great defender, and allow him to freelance. On the other hand, I think Hinrich, who does the little things so well and plays defense could look like an all-star next to Kobe. Additionally, how great would Nocioni be off that bench? He’d immediately be the second toughest player on the Lakers. He can play stifling defense, put up 25 in any game, and has shown how clutch he is on the world’s largest stages.”
heh I assumed that was you
Your lauding of Noce near the end is head-shakingly off-point.
management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment! Flag jerkfaces!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry man, I can see Odom and clutch in the same sentence
Did you watch the Finals?
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 3, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
why doesn't Kobe want Kirk on his team?
how do you know this?
by fundamentallysound on Jul 2, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Kobe also said
he’s not playing GM this summer. So if (big if) something happens, he’ll have to suck on his thumb and shut up.
"I'm a Bulls fan," -Barack Obama
It was on the night of
their first game last season when the radio stations were reporting that a Kobe trade was imminent. It was reprted that Kobe didn’t want Kirk on his team because he was a ball handler and Kobe wanted to be the ball handler of the team. If you want to read it it’s in the archives from last season.
that's just silly
also, Kirk doesn’t HAVE to handle the ball. As the Keep Kirk Contingent has pointed out he can play the off-guard and if Kobe wants to be the primary ballhandler and distributor, then Kirk can just play great D and shoot the many open threes he would get playing alongside Mamba. Maybe Kobe did say that, but it just doesn’t make sense.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 2, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
"it was reported"
yeah but nobody knows if Kobe actually said that or not. I’ve never seen a quote from him saying so.
It's just like
everything else that is reported whether it’s true ot not. People in here that night believed Kobe was coming to Chicago because “it was reported”. I doubt a trade with LA will happen so it’s probably a moot point.
haha
management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment! Flag jerkfaces!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
right
That’s pretty far down the list of reasons it wouldn’t happen. Besides, Kobe the GM is overseeing a much different team than he did 12 months ago.
management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment! Flag jerkfaces!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 2, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
stop the insanity...
odom is wack and soft. an it is no way in hell i’d trade kirk and noch for him and the coach’s son. please no more lakers or blazers(few weeks ago) trades!!!
heh
management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment! Flag jerkfaces!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 3, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Matt...
It was wack of you to post that.
I think.
It was also hilarious.
I predict that the work wack will be used 12 more times in the FUTURE.
lawrence funderburke
"It is playoff time. Whoever responds and changes quicker is going to win four games and then go to the next round." - Toni K
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
