Hinrich to Golden State?
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=429942
"If Golden State needs a point guard, the Bulls have long been interested in Al Harrington (whose deal is up in 2010). A straight swap for Kirk Hinrich makes some sense. The salaries match up, but the problem is, Harrington's deal is up in 2010, while Hinrich is on the books till 2012. The Warriors might not want to take on that much salary."
I think that seems like a realistic possibility, and I think Harrington would be a good fit. His contract also expires in 2010, which clears out cap space for us to make a run at D-Wade. Larry Hughes' contract is also up in 2010...
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A little crowded at the 4
Harrington would join Noce, Gooden, & Tyrus at the four. I know AL & Noce (not Tyrus) can play the 3, but a trade Kirk for Camby is much more attractive. Noce for Al is attractive though.
by Jesse07 on Jul 1, 2008 7:51 PM CDT 0 recs
Noc is the backup 3. Dude shouldn't be anywhere near the 4 position.
Hopefully small ball (with this roster) goes away and never comes back again.
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by Illini15 on
Jul 1, 2008 10:03 PM CDT
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I'd just as soon have an expiring contract
Than add someone who needs playing time. There’s just no room on the roster.
Ideally we could consolidate, trade two or three good players for a very good one, but I’m not sure that deal is out there. In lieu of that, I’d take an expiring contract and move on.
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by Jivas on Jul 1, 2008 8:32 PM CDT 0 recs
they could take Gooden or Noc too
they’re now under the cap so they can take back more salary than they give.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jul 2, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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This is true
Using that logic, if I were the Bulls I’d see if I could trade Hinrich to the Warriors for a low-paid prospect straight up. GS has a few players that have potential but are projects in Belinelli, Wright, and Randolph. A trade of Hinrich for any of these prospects (not sure if it’s logistically doable with Randolph) would give the Bulls instant cap relief and clear the playing time logjam a bit, as well as bringing back an asset that doesn’t have to play right away.
by Petor on
Jul 2, 2008 10:32 AM CDT
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I like that idea
If Belinelli can succeed anywhere, it’s in Chicago next to Derrick Rose. Also, Golden State has the rights to Patrick O’Bryant, and I wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on him as well.
Can Golden State trade us Foyle’s expiring contract? I’d do Hinrich and Noc for Foyle’s contract, Belinelli, and O’Bryant in a second.
by YaoPau on
Jul 2, 2008 3:39 PM CDT
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umm...
didn’t foyle finish last season playing for the magic?
by Jaina on
Jul 2, 2008 3:47 PM CDT
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he did
whatever salary that’s listed for Foyle was a buyout figure, and that can’t be traded.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jul 2, 2008 3:54 PM CDT
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I thought that if Belinelli could've succeeded anywhere
it would’ve been in Nellieball.
He wasn’t even projected to be good based on his European numbers. He’ll likely have a whoop-ass summer league, however.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jul 2, 2008 3:55 PM CDT
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And..
it would give the Bulls a nice sized traded player exception that they could use to help out a bigger deal down the road or at the trade deadline.
by BNeL21 on
Jul 2, 2008 2:40 PM CDT
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I could get down with this idea, but I'd rather Camby.
Then we would have two solid guys at the 5, and Gray won’t see the floor which is for the better.
Harrington could possibly work, but where would his minutes be found? I’d hate to see a temporary rent like him (which is probably what he’d be) hinder TT’s development. Maybe if we got rid of Gooden as well, but that would leave us with the skinniest front line in the NBA :\
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by Illini15 on Jul 1, 2008 10:04 PM CDT 0 recs
it good that we would be freeing up cap space for 2010, but i don’t think we really need harrington cause the same problem we are have at the guard spot we’ll have at the pf spot.
by FUTURE12 on Jul 1, 2008 10:15 PM CDT 0 recs
we don't need another 3/4 tweener
i think harrington would only make sense if gooden or noc could be moved also
by smegmatic on Jul 1, 2008 10:36 PM CDT 0 recs
how about kirk for monte ellis, but it would probably never happen in real life.
think about it, rose and monte at the guard spots, luol at the three and tyrus and noah for the bigs.
by FUTURE12 on Jul 1, 2008 10:49 PM CDT 0 recs
Never happen
Although as much of a Kirk fan I am, This line-up sounds exciting
by Alighieri on
Jul 1, 2008 11:48 PM CDT
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o boy...
I just got all warm inside thinking about that, but then I remembered that no team could ever even phathom laying their hands on Monte…
by Pax_4_Prez on
Jul 2, 2008 8:20 AM CDT
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heh
phantom…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on
Jul 2, 2008 3:14 PM CDT
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how about a bigger deal
i think gsw is gunna start looking to rebuild now that davis is gone
maybe if we included noah/noicioni or something along with hinrich we could rip jackson off of them along with al. id be willing to do a deal like that
by sin on Jul 2, 2008 4:14 AM CDT 0 recs
No Noah!
Are you slotting in Aaron Gray to be the starter at center?
by Jesse07 on
Jul 2, 2008 8:14 AM CDT
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Jackson AND Al?
AL is okay but Jackson? Despite his good shooting, I wouldn’t even touch him.
by koolaje on
Jul 2, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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inaugural post
couldn’t pass this one up to start off my posting career at BaB
“Despite his good shooting”
we talking 3 pt range or Firearms?
either way its applicable
by DartmouthCubsFan on
Jul 2, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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Zing!
John Paxson has been like family to me. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother, who also was unable to pull off any deals for superstar free agents or hire a top-notch coach.
by preverbal on
Jul 2, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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Well now that Baron Davis may be gone,
GS will be looking for more scoring in the backcourt. No doubt, some of this will be picked up by Steven Jackson/Monte Ellis, but Hinrich will bring them 15+ppg and good defense, along with some spacing.
If we get Al out of the deal, he’ll be able to provide back up minutes, and more importantly, backup scoring, at either the 3 or the 4.
The more important out of the two things is backup scoring at the 3, where Nocioni currently provides backup scoring.
Thabo will be able to concentrate on being primarily a 2-guard in this scenario.
I’m all for acquiring Al H. as long as it is made clear from the get-go that Tyrus gets every chance to be the starter at the 4.
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by bullhockey on Jul 2, 2008 10:44 AM CDT 0 recs
I'm down with getting Al if Noce isn't on the team
They duplicate the same role on a basketball team as the SF/PF who can stretch the floor with 3 pointers. Harrington may have more talent offensively, but Nellie was never too fond of him in GS.
by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 2, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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It was a mutual thing
Al was resistant to just being a spot up 3 point shooter. Noce could, and probably should, fill that role for any team he plays on.
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by snley on
Jul 2, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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When do Hinrich & Nocioni lose their Base-Year Compensation tags?
Did it happen July 1st, or does it not happen until the season starts? They’re still listed as BYC on the trade machine when I looked yesterday.
by Rodmaniac on Jul 2, 2008 11:49 AM CDT 0 recs
Yes, it did happen July 1st.
It says BYC but when you execute a trade it shows ‘08 salary information.
by kingj41 on
Jul 2, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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Hinrich for cap relief -> Maggette?
If the Warriors would take Hinrich for a low-salary player like Wright or Belinelli, couldn’t the Bulls theoretically renounce Gordon’s rights and sign Maggette? It seems like everyone is offering Maggette the mid-level, but the few teams with cap space to go higher don’t consider him a high priority target. The Bulls would gain $7.5 million in a Hinrich for Wright swap, which I think would get them about $10 million under the cap if they renounce Gordon (someone please correct me if I’m wrong).
Wouldn’t you rather have Maggette in the starting backcourt than Gordon? Maggette’s not as good a pure shooter, but he improved his outside shot last year while maintaining his outstanding rate of getting to the free throw line. I think he’s a better all-around offensive player and scorer, and at least as good defensively. Maggette’s PER is annually 2-3 points higher. If it would take basically the same contract to sign either one of them long-term, wouldn’t you rather spend the money on Maggette?
Plus, if the Warriors would give up Wright rather than Belinelli, the Bulls would be turning their backcourt glut into frontcourt depth that would greatly improve their ability to deal with the loss of Gooden in 2009.
by from the window to luol on Jul 2, 2008 11:56 AM CDT 0 recs
deal doesn't make sense for GS
Wright is developing well and Hinrich just isn’t THAT good to pick up for a guy that could be REALLY REALLY good that they just drafted. Plus it’d be a young, big for an older, small guy… those trades hardly ever happen.
by fundamentallysound on
Jul 2, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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no, I wouldn't want Maggette over Gordon
since he’s more of a 3, and is likely an even worse defender (at least Gordon could defend some point guards).
Renouncing guys to sign others is very tricky. I’m not even sure they’d be under the cap if they only renounced one RFA and dealt Hinrich.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jul 2, 2008 12:44 PM CDT
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I like Maggette...
I’m a big fan of how often he gets to the line, and he has a decent outside shot. He is a much more reliable scorer than Gordon.
Here is some really good analysis from Clipper fans
I particularly like this post…
My take Maggette is a pure wing on offense. Whether you call it a two or a three, it doesn’t much matter. As you probably know, he is most effective taking the ball to the hole. He’s got a good first step, he’s strong as an ox, and he’s relentless. If he gets a sliver of daylight past the defender, he’ll force the action and draw the foul. That’s the good Maggette – the one that leads the league in free throws converted per 40 minutes. However, he’ll also force the action when he doesn’t draw the foul, or maybe when he doesn’t have that sliver of daylight, picking up an offensive foul. That’s the bad Maggette. His outside shooting was MUCH IMPROVED this season, but it’s still not really what you want him doing. If he can make 35% of his threes, it’s a huge bonus to his slashing game. But last season was an anomaly in that regard – I’m not optimistic that he’ll shoot that well again.Defensively, he doesn’t have great lateral quickness, and he’ll struggle to defend a lot of two guards in the league. On the whole, I tend to think Corey takes more heat for his defense than he deserves – MDsr is not a fan, and it gets pointed out a lot. Where he struggles the most actually is off the ball. The Clippers scheme calls for perimeter defenders to force the ball to help, and then everyone has to rotate. Corey gets caught napping on this way too much. I’ve actually advocated putting him on the opposition’s best wing, so at least he can maintain his focus. But the coach doesn’t tend to do that. At any rate, Corey using his strength well in matchups against guys like Ron Artest and even LeBron. (Not that he can stop LeBron but it’s actually not a bad matchup for him since LeBron is so used to simply being bigger and stronger than his defenders.) But he would have a hell of a time guarding a Kevin Martin or a Dwyane Wade – he just can’t keep those guys in front of him. So that’s why I tend to think of him as a three, not a two. So if Deng can slide over and defend the smaller, quicker twos, then no problem.
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by ClipperSteve on Jun 3, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up actions 0 recs
I think with Rose’s drive and kick game, we need a deadly outside shooter, and Gordon fits that bill much more than Maggette. Plus, we don’t have to give up anyone to get Gordon. So we should probably hang on to our known commodity (Gordon) than to bring in another drive and kick player and hope it works well.
But at the same time, if we did get Corey, I would be excited to see him in a Bulls uniform. Especially if we could get a cheap Kapono type three point specialist to come in and hit three’s in spurts… (JJ Redick?)
I guess I’m torn on this one.
by kidronmusic on
Jul 3, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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i dont like the idea of getting al
our inside is alrdy lacking and adding al would mean when hes out on the floor playing the 4 or 5 we would be even weaker inside. we obviously have had enough problems with shooting droughts. what we need is an inside threat we can turn to when the shots arent falling. i think al is definitely the wrong way to go for us
by sin on
Jul 2, 2008 3:37 PM CDT
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Al Harrington...
Kirk has more value that Al Harrington, I would much rather trade Kirk for Camby, and then trade Nocioni for Harrington. This would give us about 30 Million of cap room about the time that Amare and Bosh and Wade and Lebron and Dirk and a handfull of other stars hit the market.
There is another post here that discusses an Al Harrington trade…
In short, I like Al Harrington as a semi-useful tool that can rid us of Nocioni’s contract, and give us another deal coming off the books for the magical free agent signing bonanza of 2010. But if you have espn insider, you should read Hollinger’s report on him. He basically can’t defend anyone on a basketball court. And he has complained about his role many different times, for many different reasons, so it’s possible that he could be a distraction on our young team if he feels he isn’t getting the minutes he deserves.
I suggested the Nocioni for Harrington swap a few days ago, and think it’s a good deal, but, I don’t think Harrington is good for much more than a little offense off the bench and that spot up three.
by kidronmusic on Jul 3, 2008 9:22 AM CDT 0 recs
Seemingly too-sensible-not-to-happen swap?
As for the specific void at point guard left by Davis’ departure, the Warriors have one other option if nothing else works out—a seemingly too-sensible-not-to-happen swap of Al Harrington to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich.
Personally, I’d rather have Kirk. Or trade him for GS’s 1st rounder next year and take the trade exception(= cap room earlier).
by BNeL21 on Jul 3, 2008 3:42 PM CDT 0 recs
Unfortunately, GS's trade exception expired
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by snley on
Jul 3, 2008 8:46 PM CDT
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I know
But with their cap room, they can absorb Hinrich’s contract without giving out any additional salary, which would create a trade exception for us.
by BNeL21 on
Jul 7, 2008 9:47 PM CDT
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