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At least there's no reasons to preemptively dislike the guy

That is, unless you're dead-set against a first-time head coach.

And I'm not, not entirely. In some respects there's nothing wrong with jumping off the carousel of retreads, and go for no experience over bad experience. I thought that Flip was more than a retread, and Casey deserved a second chance. But each candidate had red flags, Collins more than a couple, and in some ways it's good to not get hung up on somebody's previous jobs and their respective offensive/defensive efficiencies and pace.

But it's also a major risk, and at least for some of my fears to be assuaged Vinny Del Negro will have to deliver a heck of a press conference. Not that his words will matter that much if they aren't (or are) implemented, but as an extension of the interview with Paxson it'll be interesting to hear what 'basketball philosophies' Paxson 'connected' with to start building sandcastles together. (Or hire as his coach. Sorry, I forgot what Paxson search was all about for a second...) 

Because with no prior experience, it wasn't as much credentials but an interview that won Paxson's heart. (again, sorry...) With his recent front office experience with the Suns as the most relevant part of his basketball playing life, I wonder how closely VDN alignined himself with Paxson's first-favorite choice, Mike D'Antoni. D'Antoni was dismissed by Steve Kerr, and VDN worked under Kerr, but wasn't amongst the finalists for the Suns job. So perhaps VDN was more in D'Antoni's corner? (also possible that Kerr couldn't hire a first-timer with Shaq on the roster)

According to this Sun-Times report, VDN was 'as upset as anyone' when it came to D'Antoni's notoriously short rotation, as it pushed aside some of the younger players he brought into the fold as GM. Given the Suns constant selling of draft picks, there's not much to go on that front either, but it'll be good to hear the new coach of the Bulls emphasize player development, and adapting to his roster. What I'd rather not hear is if he's against D'Antoni in a different way: appreciating the value of slowed-down, overcoached, 'accountability, discipline, did I mention accountability?' basketball.

A press conference won't tell us definitively either way, but between his opening remarks regarding philosophy and the filling out of his coaching staff, there's some major questions yet to be answered.

But what we do know is, regardless of Vinny Del Negro's ultimate success, that Paxson's search was a failure bordering on a joke. He missed out on two choices, looked publicly pantsed doing so, and worse yet we're still not sure whose choices D'Antoni and Collins even were. And in a search predicated on 'open-mindedness', it was abruptly finished before candidates from the Lakers or Celtics were considered. The most qualified dismissed coach wasn't even interviewed, and even when D'Antoni was available it was seen as some unexpected development that threw off the 'process'.

That said, that doesn't mean Del Negro is a bad hire because he's never had a head coaching job. Even less important that he'd never even been an assistant coach. If he's ready to lead and teach, a couple years on a bench wouldn't matter that much. I'm willing to give him a chance until there's reason otherwise.

However, I will say that the lack of experience gives him a shorter rope. For him and Paxson.

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His introductory press conference is going to be huge

Almost like an important political speech, where he’s got to start winning over all of the skeptical Bulls fans. I know I’ll be listening intently.

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by Jivas on Jun 9, 2008 10:00 PM CDT   0 recs

Yeah I'm sure VDN will have the stage presence of an Obama

“Yes we can Bulls fans!”

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 10:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Word

John Paxson has been like family to me. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother, who also was unable to pull off any deals for superstar free agents or hire a top-notch coach.

by preverbal on Jun 9, 2008 10:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey, why not?

He has as much experience as Obama does!

by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 10, 2008 12:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If He Can

organize as well as Obama, motivate people like Obama and win like Obama, I’m all for VDN. I say, let’s wait for the results of the New Hampshire primary are in before we pass judgment.

by Cannoli on Jun 10, 2008 8:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

VDN basically has nothing to lose from this

Paxson gave him a great opportunity, and if he doesn’t succeed, he will get job offers elsewhere as another token retread.

Pax is the guy with reputation on the line. No one, and I mean no one will forget how dumb he looked during the D’Antoni/Collins saga, and he won’t earn much forgiveness like he did over the Gasol/KG trades. Maybe it doesn’t matter because he’s so buddy-buddy with Reinsdorf, but I would imagine his job should be depending heavily on the new coach and #1 pick’s success.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 10:03 PM CDT   0 recs

all indications are that he's there as long as he wants

but if this is another misfire, that’ll be the breaking point for me to want him out. (as if that matters…)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 10:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why would Paxson be held accountable

by Reinsdorf if this thing goes wrong, considering this is Reinsorf’s hire he’ll have no one to blame but himself. He’s the one that screwed it up for the two guys Paxson really wanted. So now Paxson probably gets a free ride with this whole Del Negro thing.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 9, 2008 11:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think this is Reinsdorf's hire at all.

Although I probably wouldn’t argue the part about Reinsdorf screwing up the first two hires.

by potato0328 on Jun 9, 2008 11:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I suspect

that VDN won’t be able to employ the over-coaching that we’ve seen from guys like Collins, Skiles, etc. because, well, he hasn’t ever coached before. It will be hard for him to overcoach anyone, when he hasn’t ever coached anyone. This should allow for guys to just do their thing, which could be both a good thing and a bad thing, depending on who those guys are. For instance, if Tyrus Thomas is out there doing his thing or Ben Gordon is out there doing his thing, that would be good, but if say, Larry Hughes is playing the game how he feels like playing it, well, that would, of course, be bad. It should be interesting to see how quickly VDN has this team play and just what sort of offensive scheme he employs and perhaps most importantly, who he hires as assistant coaches.

by fundamentallysound on Jun 9, 2008 10:11 PM CDT   0 recs

More than the press conference

Like you said, who he and Pax hires as assistants will have a huge impact on opinion from players and us armchair gm’s.

by wojcmic1 on Jun 9, 2008 10:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Although

It would be funny if he hired some guy named Pauli or Johnny to be his Players Accountability Assistant

by wojcmic1 on Jun 9, 2008 10:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

tyrus

thomas doing his own thing without any guidance is probably a bad idea, lots of turnovers. Not getting pulled when he misses a rotation or some other minor thing is good.

by Sambossanova on Jun 10, 2008 12:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

TT's turnover rate was actually pretty solid last season

He finished 39th out of 62 PFs, however his assist rate was 18th out of the 62 PFs. These numbers were even better after the All-Star break than before.

If this is real growth and represents a new performance level for Tyrus – and I think it does – his ballhandling is actually a significant net positive for a power forward.

Pardon the tangent; back to the regularly scheduled coach discussion.

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by Jivas on Jun 10, 2008 2:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep, I have no reason to hate VDN like 90% of the other candidates.

...it’s not like Pax hired ISAIAH THOMAS.

Maybe Del Negro was hired for excellent scouting ability as well?

by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 9, 2008 10:13 PM CDT   0 recs

It's not that he's never been a head coach

He’s never even been any kind of a coach! How do we know he’ll even like coaching? Will he like the countless hours of breaking down film? Does he know how to draw up plays? These aren’t questions you should have to ask about your new head coach. A few years as an assistant is important because it weeds out the people who aren’t serious about working hard.

by Big D on Jun 9, 2008 10:15 PM CDT   0 recs

film?

apparently, not necessary :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 10:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the small pile of anecdotal evidence from Vinny's assistant to the branch manager days

makes him seem pretty serious about basketball. It looks like he worked pretty hard at scouting and such.

by hscs on Jun 9, 2008 10:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There's a hell of a lot of

smart basketball people out there of various professions—doesn’t make them a good coach. Just because you know basketball and have a good philosophy etc doesn’t mean you can coach on the floor and at practice etc. Heck, I’d be happy if he had a background in teaching at least. Some evidence he has had an interest in coaching before recently.

by cranscape on Jun 10, 2008 12:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

vinny is the high risk, high reward pick

the complete opposite of doug collins!

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jun 10, 2008 12:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just to keep this in perspective, here is JIM BOYLAN'S coaching experience from wikipedia:
Boylan began his coaching career as a player-coach in Switzerland from 1982-86 and led the Vevey Basketball club to its first championship in its 30-year history. At age 31, he moved back to the States becoming an assistant under Jud Heathcote at Michigan State University from 1986-89. Boylan then took over head coaching duties at the University of New Hampshire, succeeding Gerry Friel.

In 1992 Boylan entered the NBA as a video coordinator and advance scout for the Cleveland Cavaliers. In 1997 he moved over to the Vancouver Grizzlies, serving as an assistant under Brian Hill and later Lionel Hollins. In 2001, Boylan became a member of the Frank Johnson’s coaching staff in Phoenix, and remained working for the Phoenix Suns under Johnson’s successor Scott Skiles. After Skiles was fired in 2002, Boylan worked with Terry Stotts for the Atlanta Hawks during the 2003-04 NBA season.

In 2004, Boylan became lead assistant to Skiles, who had taken over as head coach of the Chicago Bulls. On December 27, 2007, after the firing of Scott Skiles, Jim was named the interim coach for the Bulls for the remaining games for the 07-08 season. Boylan was fired at the conclusion of the 2007-08 season after compiling a 24-32 record with the Bulls.

by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 9, 2008 10:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's not the point

Having coaching experience doesn’t guarantee anything, but having none at all almost guarantees that the guy is going to make a lot of mistakes in his first year or two. The only guy I can think of who was successful as a head coach despite having no coaching experience was Larry Bird. He had a team full of veterans, and he had two strong assistants. This is going to be one of the youngest teams in the league next year (barring a massive trade), and we have no idea who the assistants will be. Unless he’s this incredibly charismatic leader, I don’t see how this ends well.

by Big D on Jun 9, 2008 10:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pat Riley left the broadcast team and only spent

a handful of games as an assistant before replacing Westhead 11 games into the season and won a championship in that 1st year.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 9, 2008 10:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeahhhh but

That roster vs our roster? 5th seed would be a success for me.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 10:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What? I pointing out that the whole no

coaching experience is overblown. Not, implying that the team would be a championship contender this year. But, I have yet to see an example of someone without coaching experience that completely fell on his face. The people claiming that his is a huge problem should have some of the burden of proof. Mistakes will be made, but I haven’t see any evidence that guys without coaching experience are any more susceptible than guys with assistant coaching experience, college coaching experience, or head coaches that were already fired at least one.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 9, 2008 11:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Magic Johnson was a disaster as a coach, by his own admission

Besides him, of course you have yet to see someone with no coaching experience fall completely flat on his face – that’s because nobody actually hires people with no coaching experience whatsoever as head coaches. Pretty much the only way it happens anymore is if the guy was a huge superstar. Maybe Del Negro will be a good coach someday, but it’ll probably happen when he’s in his second or third job, after the Bulls fire him.

by Big D on Jun 9, 2008 11:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Or they don't fall flat on their face because

there has to be a pretty compelling reason to take a chance on a guy. There are only a handful of examples of this happening. Given the failure rate of coaches in general, the odds aren’t that much longer for Del Negro.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 9, 2008 11:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pat Riley

a college basketball legend without fear, and a very respectable NBA player and brillant basketball mind. Remove the Riley hate for a moment…. and some dare to mention VDN in the same sentence as Pat Riley?

by exult463 on Jun 9, 2008 10:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As an example of someone who had success without

coaching 1st? Yes. Now grow up.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 9, 2008 11:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wrong

Riley was hired as a Laker assistant in 1979. He had two years of coaching experience before he became head coach. Not that two years means that much, but it’s enough to find out if a guy actually likes coaching.

by Big D on Jun 9, 2008 11:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My fault a comment in another thread and an article

when he stepped down as a coach this last time was wrong.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 9, 2008 11:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just speculating, but maybe this hire is another indicator that

Ben Gordon (and Deng ?) won’t be staying considering this young team is really 3 years out from seriously contending?

Champions need a “BIG 3” like the Celts or Lakers, and this team hasn’t even had an All-Star yet or even a 20-10 guy since Elton Brand.

by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 9, 2008 10:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Where can they go?

Teams with cap space aren’t exactly championship contenders either.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 10:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pax could load up on late 1st round and 2nd round draft picks

...so he can find himself the next Victor (huh-rap-ah).

by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 9, 2008 10:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Bulls

could simply decline to extend them a qualifying offer at which point they would become unrestricted free agents.

by hlac on Jun 9, 2008 11:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't see why they wouldn't give them QO's

It’s like they rent them for a year, see if they improve, and if they are impressed sign them to contracts.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2008 1:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He was also Larry Bird

Though that may not mean much (MJ the GM, Magic the Coach), theres a huge difference between Larry Bird walking into the lockerroom and VDN

by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 9, 2008 10:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Popovich never said

“Vinny Del Negro isn’t walking through that door.”?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 11:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

good points

veteran players certainly help. larry hughes doesn’t count. our “veterans” hinrich (if he’s still here) and gooden are still relatively young.

assistant coaches are so key now. they need to experienced and like you put it, strong.

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jun 10, 2008 12:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I like this hire, for what its worth

I think after the recent circus thats been surrounding the Bulls – a fresh new face (fresh, as in no experience) could actually be a great thing.

There is no failure associated with VDN, and he seems to be from a management background – which adds another fresh approach to the sidelines

I hope, and almost believe – that he will be a more ‘players coach’ – a young coach who will learn and grow with the young list we have, not somebody who will come in and scream in their faces from day 1.

Hopefully, Pax sees we arnt winning a championship for a few years, and sees that with time and learning, the team and coach can all figure it out together. He obviously saw personality traits in VDN that he thought would mesh well with the players, because experience would not have played a part in his decision.

I like it! Probably the best choice out there for this team and this time. I hope

by rquinsee on Jun 9, 2008 10:24 PM CDT   0 recs

seems like a friendly guy ...

lot of questions will be answered at the press conference.

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jun 10, 2008 12:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The approach is fresh...

Until he makes his first blunder, or runs afoul of one of the BaB faves. Then what?

(Again, I don’t dislike the hire, I’m just not surprised and am mostly neutral/numb).

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by Jivas on Jun 10, 2008 2:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

why not?

I remember him as a player. I loved when he came into the game against the Bulls because he basically was on self-check with only slight coverage needed.

In addition, Paxson has showed he has this tendency for attempting to hit the home run with unknown’s or little knowns.

1) Noc
2) Thabo
3) Tyrus
4) Kryppy
5) Eddie basden
6) OnCurry
Actually I can name probably another 8 or ten guys, so can you if you review all of his draft picks. VDN is no different. He’s a large gamble against hugh odds.

All of the other risky picks/trades above didn’t work, so what would make me believe VDN will ever work? Paxson keeps trying to be the next Krause and find the next phil jackson? And Paxson continues to fall on every step….

by exult463 on Jun 9, 2008 10:25 PM CDT   0 recs

If I was a shink

I would guess that John Paxson has an unknown serious gambler’s problem and is in hugh financial debt

by exult463 on Jun 9, 2008 10:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so you're saying

that he owes money to Hugh Grant?

by Petor on Jun 10, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Noc and Thabo were "risky picks/ trades" and "didn't work so well"?

Pax signed Nocioni as an undrafted free agent… I would call him a steal. On a good team he would be an invaluable role player- the type you need to win championships. And Thabo still has a ton of potential and just needs some damn minutes. When he has played consistently, he has done nothing but get exponentially better and better.

Khryapa was a throw in, OnCurry was a 2nd rounder and still hasn’t gotten a chance in the NBA, and Tyrus could very well be a bust, but there’s still a glimmer of hope he might get it together too.

All in all, I think Paxson has done a very good job drafting. That’s not his problem; Making decisions in a timely matter is (but I think Jerry is hindering him behind the scenes). But I’d love to hear the other 8 or 10 bad draft picks guys you mention…

by smash! on Jun 9, 2008 10:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree on Nocioni

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 11:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe they need to split the Bulls GM into two jobs

one for drafting (Pax) and one for everything else

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jun 10, 2008 12:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pax has now had

a #2, #3, #7, #7, #9, and #13 pick and hasn’t gotten one star out of it. Bad draft years or not, there’s really no evidence that shows Pax is anything better than an average drafter.

by YaoPau on Jun 10, 2008 1:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i think noah and lu will both be multiple all stars...

...true ‘superstars’ (of the Shaq, KG, Duncan variety) are hard to find, even with high draft picks. but we do have a #1 now…

by bullsfaninbigapple on Jun 10, 2008 9:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Given who else was available

Hinrich- Good. Look at who came after him)
Gordon- Average to bad pick (Would prefer Deng, Iggy, etc… lots of value on the board when he was picked)
Deng- Good and good to get the pick in the first place. I’d prefer iggy, but not a big difference.
Duhon- Good anytime a second rounder can play
Tyrus- Bad. Aldridge, Roy, Gay
Thabo- Average to bad. Brewer was the obvious pick and still looks like the better player.

by Sports2 on Jun 10, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Noah was a great pick as well.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2008 11:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oops, left him off

Though I’ll feel better about it if he stops acting like Cedric Benson

by Sports2 on Jun 10, 2008 12:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

YEP--how do you say

‘Chuckle Out Loud’

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 10, 2008 1:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

COL!!

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 12, 2008 11:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And for all we know

He might not suck at football either.

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by Jivas on Jun 10, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Brewer went #7...Thabo went #13 i think....

the jury is still out on Brewer i havent heard much about him since he was picked

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 10, 2008 12:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i actually don't know

too much about ronnie’s game. i just know that that is the brewer that sports2 was referring to.

by Jaina on Jun 12, 2008 8:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So how do you know Aldridge or Gay would not have gotten the same crappy treatment

As Tyrus has for playing time? Nocioni was always the preferred backup 4 because of small ball possibilities. Gay was given 2 seasons on a shitty team to develop his individual game because there was basically no pressure on him to contribute immediately to a winning team. Aldridge had a worse rookie season than Tyrus, yet was given the starting PF spot when the team traded Randolph (a proven 20/10 guy), and was entrusted to develop into a solid player. Where was this support for Tyrus? Benching him constantly for PJ Brown and Joe Smith, criticizing him, yet not giving him any avenues for player development?

I love how people can declare player’s bad when they aren’t even given the chance to showcase what they are able to do. When Tyrus actually plays a legit amount of minutes in the starting position and doesn’t improve, then I will acknowledge he was a bad pick.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 12, 2008 6:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

While I don't really have objections...

Matt was right to point out that if this inane search has gone on this long what further possible harm could come from waiting it out to talk to Lakers or Celtics assistants cough Thibodeau cough.

That said, it will be nice to get this aspect of the off-season finished with and let the team focus on deciding between two players. Because again, with all that misinformation out there Paxson might actually be leaning towards OJ Mayo and even then he might not be.

by CubFan81 on Jun 9, 2008 10:28 PM CDT   0 recs

We'll see if this is true.

From a McGraw article.

Suns broadcaster Al McCoy, who worked with Del Negro for three years, suggested during an appearance on WSCR 670-AM that Del Negro has already thought about building a veteran coaching staff.

“I said, ‘Vinny, it’s going to be tough,’ ” McCoy said. “He said, ‘What isn’t?’ And I said, ‘Well, how about the lack of experience will keep haunting you?’ And he said, ‘I already have a couple of the top assistants, veteran assistants in the league that want to come with me.’ So maybe that could be the answer to the experience factor.”

If he has some good assistants then I’m not as worried about the experience.

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by Scotter on Jun 9, 2008 10:31 PM CDT   0 recs

What top assistants is he speaking of?

Alvin Gentry is up for grabs in Phoenix, I wouldn’t mind getting him on the staff.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 10:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

veteran assistants would be the way to go

and pete myers and ron adams need to go

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jun 10, 2008 12:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would like this hire IF...

It came after the finals, and after Pax had sat down for a while with Tom Thib, and sat down a second time with Brian Shaw, and Kurt Rambis. I think that if you like one of those coaches the exact same amount as you like Vinny, then you hire the one who just coached in the NBA finals.

Oh yeah, and even though I wasn’t excited about either of them, he probably should have interviewed Flip and Avery as well. He is the GM of this organization, he was supposed to be open-minded, and he chose not to interview those two qualified coaches. He could have spent two hours with them to confirm that he didn’t agree with there plans for this team.

Vinny could be great. But I think it would make everybody more confident if Pax really did interview all the qualified candidates and then said, “Vinny is my guy”

The fact that the job was Collins’, and then Dwayne Casey was the next interview, and the reports were that he was the favorite, then Vinny interviewed and the reports were that he was the favorite… it seemed lik