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At least there's no reasons to preemptively dislike the guy

That is, unless you're dead-set against a first-time head coach.

And I'm not, not entirely. In some respects there's nothing wrong with jumping off the carousel of retreads, and go for no experience over bad experience. I thought that Flip was more than a retread, and Casey deserved a second chance. But each candidate had red flags, Collins more than a couple, and in some ways it's good to not get hung up on somebody's previous jobs and their respective offensive/defensive efficiencies and pace.

But it's also a major risk, and at least for some of my fears to be assuaged Vinny Del Negro will have to deliver a heck of a press conference. Not that his words will matter that much if they aren't (or are) implemented, but as an extension of the interview with Paxson it'll be interesting to hear what 'basketball philosophies' Paxson 'connected' with to start building sandcastles together. (Or hire as his coach. Sorry, I forgot what Paxson search was all about for a second...) 

Because with no prior experience, it wasn't as much credentials but an interview that won Paxson's heart. (again, sorry...) With his recent front office experience with the Suns as the most relevant part of his basketball playing life, I wonder how closely VDN alignined himself with Paxson's first-favorite choice, Mike D'Antoni. D'Antoni was dismissed by Steve Kerr, and VDN worked under Kerr, but wasn't amongst the finalists for the Suns job. So perhaps VDN was more in D'Antoni's corner? (also possible that Kerr couldn't hire a first-timer with Shaq on the roster)

According to this Sun-Times report, VDN was 'as upset as anyone' when it came to D'Antoni's notoriously short rotation, as it pushed aside some of the younger players he brought into the fold as GM. Given the Suns constant selling of draft picks, there's not much to go on that front either, but it'll be good to hear the new coach of the Bulls emphasize player development, and adapting to his roster. What I'd rather not hear is if he's against D'Antoni in a different way: appreciating the value of slowed-down, overcoached, 'accountability, discipline, did I mention accountability?' basketball.

A press conference won't tell us definitively either way, but between his opening remarks regarding philosophy and the filling out of his coaching staff, there's some major questions yet to be answered.

But what we do know is, regardless of Vinny Del Negro's ultimate success, that Paxson's search was a failure bordering on a joke. He missed out on two choices, looked publicly pantsed doing so, and worse yet we're still not sure whose choices D'Antoni and Collins even were. And in a search predicated on 'open-mindedness', it was abruptly finished before candidates from the Lakers or Celtics were considered. The most qualified dismissed coach wasn't even interviewed, and even when D'Antoni was available it was seen as some unexpected development that threw off the 'process'.

That said, that doesn't mean Del Negro is a bad hire because he's never had a head coaching job. Even less important that he'd never even been an assistant coach. If he's ready to lead and teach, a couple years on a bench wouldn't matter that much. I'm willing to give him a chance until there's reason otherwise.

However, I will say that the lack of experience gives him a shorter rope. For him and Paxson.

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His introductory press conference is going to be huge

Almost like an important political speech, where he’s got to start winning over all of the skeptical Bulls fans. I know I’ll be listening intently.

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by Jivas on Jun 9, 2008 10:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Word

John Paxson has been like family to me. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother, who also was unable to pull off any deals for superstar free agents or hire a top-notch coach.

by preverbal on Jun 9, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, why not?

He has as much experience as Obama does!

by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 10, 2008 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If He Can

organize as well as Obama, motivate people like Obama and win like Obama, I’m all for VDN. I say, let’s wait for the results of the New Hampshire primary are in before we pass judgment.

by Cannoli on Jun 10, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

VDN basically has nothing to lose from this

Paxson gave him a great opportunity, and if he doesn’t succeed, he will get job offers elsewhere as another token retread.

Pax is the guy with reputation on the line. No one, and I mean no one will forget how dumb he looked during the D’Antoni/Collins saga, and he won’t earn much forgiveness like he did over the Gasol/KG trades. Maybe it doesn’t matter because he’s so buddy-buddy with Reinsdorf, but I would imagine his job should be depending heavily on the new coach and #1 pick’s success.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 10:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

all indications are that he's there as long as he wants

but if this is another misfire, that’ll be the breaking point for me to want him out. (as if that matters…)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would Paxson be held accountable

by Reinsdorf if this thing goes wrong, considering this is Reinsorf’s hire he’ll have no one to blame but himself. He’s the one that screwed it up for the two guys Paxson really wanted. So now Paxson probably gets a free ride with this whole Del Negro thing.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 9, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think this is Reinsdorf's hire at all.

Although I probably wouldn’t argue the part about Reinsdorf screwing up the first two hires.

by potato0328 on Jun 9, 2008 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suspect

that VDN won’t be able to employ the over-coaching that we’ve seen from guys like Collins, Skiles, etc. because, well, he hasn’t ever coached before. It will be hard for him to overcoach anyone, when he hasn’t ever coached anyone. This should allow for guys to just do their thing, which could be both a good thing and a bad thing, depending on who those guys are. For instance, if Tyrus Thomas is out there doing his thing or Ben Gordon is out there doing his thing, that would be good, but if say, Larry Hughes is playing the game how he feels like playing it, well, that would, of course, be bad. It should be interesting to see how quickly VDN has this team play and just what sort of offensive scheme he employs and perhaps most importantly, who he hires as assistant coaches.

by fundamentallysound on Jun 9, 2008 10:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

More than the press conference

Like you said, who he and Pax hires as assistants will have a huge impact on opinion from players and us armchair gm’s.

by wojcmic1 on Jun 9, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although

It would be funny if he hired some guy named Pauli or Johnny to be his Players Accountability Assistant

by wojcmic1 on Jun 9, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tyrus

thomas doing his own thing without any guidance is probably a bad idea, lots of turnovers. Not getting pulled when he misses a rotation or some other minor thing is good.

by Sambossanova on Jun 10, 2008 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TT's turnover rate was actually pretty solid last season

He finished 39th out of 62 PFs, however his assist rate was 18th out of the 62 PFs. These numbers were even better after the All-Star break than before.

If this is real growth and represents a new performance level for Tyrus – and I think it does – his ballhandling is actually a significant net positive for a power forward.

Pardon the tangent; back to the regularly scheduled coach discussion.

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by Jivas on Jun 10, 2008 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, I have no reason to hate VDN like 90% of the other candidates.

...it’s not like Pax hired ISAIAH THOMAS.

Maybe Del Negro was hired for excellent scouting ability as well?

by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 9, 2008 10:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not that he's never been a head coach

He’s never even been any kind of a coach! How do we know he’ll even like coaching? Will he like the countless hours of breaking down film? Does he know how to draw up plays? These aren’t questions you should have to ask about your new head coach. A few years as an assistant is important because it weeds out the people who aren’t serious about working hard.

by Big D on Jun 9, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

film?

apparently, not necessary :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the small pile of anecdotal evidence from Vinny's assistant to the branch manager days

makes him seem pretty serious about basketball. It looks like he worked pretty hard at scouting and such.

by hscs on Jun 9, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a hell of a lot of

smart basketball people out there of various professions—doesn’t make them a good coach. Just because you know basketball and have a good philosophy etc doesn’t mean you can coach on the floor and at practice etc. Heck, I’d be happy if he had a background in teaching at least. Some evidence he has had an interest in coaching before recently.

by cranscape on Jun 10, 2008 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

vinny is the high risk, high reward pick

the complete opposite of doug collins!

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jun 10, 2008 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to keep this in perspective, here is JIM BOYLAN'S coaching experience from wikipedia:
Boylan began his coaching career as a player-coach in Switzerland from 1982-86 and led the Vevey Basketball club to its first championship in its 30-year history. At age 31, he moved back to the States becoming an assistant under Jud Heathcote at Michigan State University from 1986-89. Boylan then took over head coaching duties at the University of New Hampshire, succeeding Gerry Friel.

In 1992 Boylan entered the NBA as a video coordinator and advance scout for the Cleveland Cavaliers. In 1997 he moved over to the Vancouver Grizzlies, serving as an assistant under Brian Hill and later Lionel Hollins. In 2001, Boylan became a member of the Frank Johnson’s coaching staff in Phoenix, and remained working for the Phoenix Suns under Johnson’s successor Scott Skiles. After Skiles was fired in 2002, Boylan worked with Terry Stotts for the Atlanta Hawks during the 2003-04 NBA season.

In 2004, Boylan became lead assistant to Skiles, who had taken over as head coach of the Chicago Bulls. On December 27, 2007, after the firing of Scott Skiles, Jim was named the interim coach for the Bulls for the remaining games for the 07-08 season. Boylan was fired at the conclusion of the 2007-08 season after compiling a 24-32 record with the Bulls.

by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 9, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not the point

Having coaching experience doesn’t guarantee anything, but having none at all almost guarantees that the guy is going to make a lot of mistakes in his first year or two. The only guy I can think of who was successful as a head coach despite having no coaching experience was Larry Bird. He had a team full of veterans, and he had two strong assistants. This is going to be one of the youngest teams in the league next year (barring a massive trade), and we have no idea who the assistants will be. Unless he’s this incredibly charismatic leader, I don’t see how this ends well.

by Big D on Jun 9, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pat Riley left the broadcast team and only spent

a handful of games as an assistant before replacing Westhead 11 games into the season and won a championship in that 1st year.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 9, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeahhhh but

That roster vs our roster? 5th seed would be a success for me.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What? I pointing out that the whole no

coaching experience is overblown. Not, implying that the team would be a championship contender this year. But, I have yet to see an example of someone without coaching experience that completely fell on his face. The people claiming that his is a huge problem should have some of the burden of proof. Mistakes will be made, but I haven’t see any evidence that guys without coaching experience are any more susceptible than guys with assistant coaching experience, college coaching experience, or head coaches that were already fired at least one.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 9, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Magic Johnson was a disaster as a coach, by his own admission

Besides him, of course you have yet to see someone with no coaching experience fall completely flat on his face – that’s because nobody actually hires people with no coaching experience whatsoever as head coaches. Pretty much the only way it happens anymore is if the guy was a huge superstar. Maybe Del Negro will be a good coach someday, but it’ll probably happen when he’s in his second or third job, after the Bulls fire him.

by Big D on Jun 9, 2008 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or they don't fall flat on their face because

there has to be a pretty compelling reason to take a chance on a guy. There are only a handful of examples of this happening. Given the failure rate of coaches in general, the odds aren’t that much longer for Del Negro.

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by Scotter on Jun 9, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pat Riley

a college basketball legend without fear, and a very respectable NBA player and brillant basketball mind. Remove the Riley hate for a moment…. and some dare to mention VDN in the same sentence as Pat Riley?

by exult463 on Jun 9, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As an example of someone who had success without

coaching 1st? Yes. Now grow up.

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by Scotter on Jun 9, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong

Riley was hired as a Laker assistant in 1979. He had two years of coaching experience before he became head coach. Not that two years means that much, but it’s enough to find out if a guy actually likes coaching.

by Big D on Jun 9, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My fault a comment in another thread and an article

when he stepped down as a coach this last time was wrong.

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by Scotter on Jun 9, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just speculating, but maybe this hire is another indicator that

Ben Gordon (and Deng ?) won’t be staying considering this young team is really 3 years out from seriously contending?

Champions need a “BIG 3” like the Celts or Lakers, and this team hasn’t even had an All-Star yet or even a 20-10 guy since Elton Brand.

by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 9, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where can they go?

Teams with cap space aren’t exactly championship contenders either.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pax could load up on late 1st round and 2nd round draft picks

...so he can find himself the next Victor (huh-rap-ah).

by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 9, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bulls

could simply decline to extend them a qualifying offer at which point they would become unrestricted free agents.

by hlac on Jun 9, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see why they wouldn't give them QO's

It’s like they rent them for a year, see if they improve, and if they are impressed sign them to contracts.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was also Larry Bird

Though that may not mean much (MJ the GM, Magic the Coach), theres a huge difference between Larry Bird walking into the lockerroom and VDN

by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 9, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Popovich never said

“Vinny Del Negro isn’t walking through that door.”?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good points

veteran players certainly help. larry hughes doesn’t count. our “veterans” hinrich (if he’s still here) and gooden are still relatively young.

assistant coaches are so key now. they need to experienced and like you put it, strong.

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jun 10, 2008 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like this hire, for what its worth

I think after the recent circus thats been surrounding the Bulls – a fresh new face (fresh, as in no experience) could actually be a great thing.

There is no failure associated with VDN, and he seems to be from a management background – which adds another fresh approach to the sidelines

I hope, and almost believe – that he will be a more ‘players coach’ – a young coach who will learn and grow with the young list we have, not somebody who will come in and scream in their faces from day 1.

Hopefully, Pax sees we arnt winning a championship for a few years, and sees that with time and learning, the team and coach can all figure it out together. He obviously saw personality traits in VDN that he thought would mesh well with the players, because experience would not have played a part in his decision.

I like it! Probably the best choice out there for this team and this time. I hope

by rquinsee on Jun 9, 2008 10:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

seems like a friendly guy ...

lot of questions will be answered at the press conference.

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jun 10, 2008 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The approach is fresh...

Until he makes his first blunder, or runs afoul of one of the BaB faves. Then what?

(Again, I don’t dislike the hire, I’m just not surprised and am mostly neutral/numb).

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by Jivas on Jun 10, 2008 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why not?

I remember him as a player. I loved when he came into the game against the Bulls because he basically was on self-check with only slight coverage needed.

In addition, Paxson has showed he has this tendency for attempting to hit the home run with unknown’s or little knowns.

1) Noc
2) Thabo
3) Tyrus
4) Kryppy
5) Eddie basden
6) OnCurry
Actually I can name probably another 8 or ten guys, so can you if you review all of his draft picks. VDN is no different. He’s a large gamble against hugh odds.

All of the other risky picks/trades above didn’t work, so what would make me believe VDN will ever work? Paxson keeps trying to be the next Krause and find the next phil jackson? And Paxson continues to fall on every step….

by exult463 on Jun 9, 2008 10:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If I was a shink

I would guess that John Paxson has an unknown serious gambler’s problem and is in hugh financial debt

by exult463 on Jun 9, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so you're saying

that he owes money to Hugh Grant?

by Petor on Jun 10, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noc and Thabo were "risky picks/ trades" and "didn't work so well"?

Pax signed Nocioni as an undrafted free agent… I would call him a steal. On a good team he would be an invaluable role player- the type you need to win championships. And Thabo still has a ton of potential and just needs some damn minutes. When he has played consistently, he has done nothing but get exponentially better and better.

Khryapa was a throw in, OnCurry was a 2nd rounder and still hasn’t gotten a chance in the NBA, and Tyrus could very well be a bust, but there’s still a glimmer of hope he might get it together too.

All in all, I think Paxson has done a very good job drafting. That’s not his problem; Making decisions in a timely matter is (but I think Jerry is hindering him behind the scenes). But I’d love to hear the other 8 or 10 bad draft picks guys you mention…

by smash! on Jun 9, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on Nocioni

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe they need to split the Bulls GM into two jobs

one for drafting (Pax) and one for everything else

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jun 10, 2008 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pax has now had

a #2, #3, #7, #7, #9, and #13 pick and hasn’t gotten one star out of it. Bad draft years or not, there’s really no evidence that shows Pax is anything better than an average drafter.

by YaoPau on Jun 10, 2008 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think noah and lu will both be multiple all stars...

...true ‘superstars’ (of the Shaq, KG, Duncan variety) are hard to find, even with high draft picks. but we do have a #1 now…

by bullsfaninbigapple on Jun 10, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given who else was available

Hinrich- Good. Look at who came after him)
Gordon- Average to bad pick (Would prefer Deng, Iggy, etc… lots of value on the board when he was picked)
Deng- Good and good to get the pick in the first place. I’d prefer iggy, but not a big difference.
Duhon- Good anytime a second rounder can play
Tyrus- Bad. Aldridge, Roy, Gay
Thabo- Average to bad. Brewer was the obvious pick and still looks like the better player.

by Sports2 on Jun 10, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noah was a great pick as well.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops, left him off

Though I’ll feel better about it if he stops acting like Cedric Benson

by Sports2 on Jun 10, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

YEP--how do you say

‘Chuckle Out Loud’

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 10, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

COL!!

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 12, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And for all we know

He might not suck at football either.

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by Jivas on Jun 10, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brewer went #7...Thabo went #13 i think....

the jury is still out on Brewer i havent heard much about him since he was picked

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 10, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i actually don't know

too much about ronnie’s game. i just know that that is the brewer that sports2 was referring to.

by Jaina on Jun 12, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So how do you know Aldridge or Gay would not have gotten the same crappy treatment

As Tyrus has for playing time? Nocioni was always the preferred backup 4 because of small ball possibilities. Gay was given 2 seasons on a shitty team to develop his individual game because there was basically no pressure on him to contribute immediately to a winning team. Aldridge had a worse rookie season than Tyrus, yet was given the starting PF spot when the team traded Randolph (a proven 20/10 guy), and was entrusted to develop into a solid player. Where was this support for Tyrus? Benching him constantly for PJ Brown and Joe Smith, criticizing him, yet not giving him any avenues for player development?

I love how people can declare player’s bad when they aren’t even given the chance to showcase what they are able to do. When Tyrus actually plays a legit amount of minutes in the starting position and doesn’t improve, then I will acknowledge he was a bad pick.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 12, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I don't really have objections...

Matt was right to point out that if this inane search has gone on this long what further possible harm could come from waiting it out to talk to Lakers or Celtics assistants cough Thibodeau cough.

That said, it will be nice to get this aspect of the off-season finished with and let the team focus on deciding between two players. Because again, with all that misinformation out there Paxson might actually be leaning towards OJ Mayo and even then he might not be.

by CubFan81 on Jun 9, 2008 10:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We'll see if this is true.

From a McGraw article.

Suns broadcaster Al McCoy, who worked with Del Negro for three years, suggested during an appearance on WSCR 670-AM that Del Negro has already thought about building a veteran coaching staff.

“I said, ‘Vinny, it’s going to be tough,’ ” McCoy said. “He said, ‘What isn’t?’ And I said, ‘Well, how about the lack of experience will keep haunting you?’ And he said, ‘I already have a couple of the top assistants, veteran assistants in the league that want to come with me.’ So maybe that could be the answer to the experience factor.”

If he has some good assistants then I’m not as worried about the experience.

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by Scotter on Jun 9, 2008 10:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What top assistants is he speaking of?

Alvin Gentry is up for grabs in Phoenix, I wouldn’t mind getting him on the staff.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

veteran assistants would be the way to go

and pete myers and ron adams need to go

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jun 10, 2008 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would like this hire IF...

It came after the finals, and after Pax had sat down for a while with Tom Thib, and sat down a second time with Brian Shaw, and Kurt Rambis. I think that if you like one of those coaches the exact same amount as you like Vinny, then you hire the one who just coached in the NBA finals.

Oh yeah, and even though I wasn’t excited about either of them, he probably should have interviewed Flip and Avery as well. He is the GM of this organization, he was supposed to be open-minded, and he chose not to interview those two qualified coaches. He could have spent two hours with them to confirm that he didn’t agree with there plans for this team.

Vinny could be great. But I think it would make everybody more confident if Pax really did interview all the qualified candidates and then said, “Vinny is my guy”

The fact that the job was Collins’, and then Dwayne Casey was the next interview, and the reports were that he was the favorite, then Vinny interviewed and the reports were that he was the favorite… it seemed like either Pax or Jerry just decided to hire somebody. Like Pax said “Fuck it, I’m just going to offer the job to the next guy to walk into my office…”

by kidronmusic on Jun 9, 2008 10:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope for Paxson's sake

VDN hiring is only a rumor! If not, then I believe this will have serious negative implications

by exult463 on Jun 9, 2008 10:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Which is worse

Having hired VDN or if after all this VDN also fell through as becoming the bulls coach. Now that would be hilarious

by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 9, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

stop trolling.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry.

hey Matt, (or anyone else who can help)

What’s trolling? I am really good with basketball terms, but not so good with internet blog terms…

by kidronmusic on Jun 9, 2008 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

google is your friend

posting irrelevant or off-topic messages with the intention of baiting other users or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

by rquinsee on Jun 9, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

technically exult did neither

but being repetitive (as far as I’m concerned) counts as well.

I’m not fond of internet-only terms either, maybe I should call jerkiness as such.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

google....

I thought about Google… But I wanted to know the blogabull definition. Thanks.

by kidronmusic on Jun 9, 2008 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh

I think it’s in the disclaimer: I’m quite arbitrary :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2008 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

VDN looking at Bob Hill for assistant

“Del Negro is considering hiring former Spurs and Sonics coach Bob Hill as his lead assistant, sources said.” All from KC’s article here

by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 9, 2008 11:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

oh man

No one shall fuck with Vinny. No one.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jun 9, 2008 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...
“In Treviso, he became an untouchable idol and is remembered as one of the most significant players in franchise history.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jun 9, 2008 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Del Negro or D'Antoni?

Because apparently they’re both idols that formerly played for Treviso.

by NBA Observer on Jun 10, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn't the Bob Hill rep

world class jerk? I thought I remembered that from his Seattle days…

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All his players hated him, from what I remember

Hopefully he’s a better assistant, but that’s not encouraging at all.

by Big D on Jun 9, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, absolutely, and when I saw this

in KC’s article I threw up a little bit in my mouth.

The slate’s clean for VDN, but Bob Hill is a damn leech. Nothing less than a cancer.

How can VDN really consider this backstabbing plotter as a bona fide assistant? I hope as a former PG he has eyes in the back of his head, because he’ll have to watch his back.

First, he fails to get anywhere with an extremely talented Spurs team featuring the then-MVP in David Robinson. His tenure there is marked by considerable and public disregarding of his authority by none other than Dennis Rodman, so this is shades of the Flip Saunders-Rasheed relationship and also the J. Noah-Ron Adams incident. I also remember an article about Rodman in a non-sports magazine (I think it was GQ) from that era that went out of its way to denote what a loser Bob Hill was as a head coach. You’re bringing in that guy to a young team?

Second, if I remember correctly, he plotted and schemed his way into the head coach position with the Sonics, being none-too-gracious with the former head coach, who brought him in.

Third, he complained pretty readily in the press about how Popovich was a slimeball who undermined him with the Spurs organization, enabling Popovich to swoop in and take credit for all the championships won after Bob Hill was gone. So, Bob, that’s just a coincidence, right, and Popovich really didn’t have the skill to win all those championships after you left?

And fourth, he mouthed off rather easily at the job Skiles was doing with the Bulls within the past season or so, prompting Skiles to very publicly, and I thought articulately, berate him in the press.

I’m cool with giving the new guy a chance. But Bob Friggin’ Hill? We should have a protective order against allowing him within 100 miles of our youngest team in the league.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Jun 10, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm gonna try and look on the bright side of the vinny hiring and assume a couple things:

1. whatever he said to pax and jr in his interview seriously impressed them, enough so to separate him from casey, person and anyone else the bulls could have been entertaining hiring.
2. based on what really impressed pax and jr when they initially started interviewing candidates, del negro probably has proposed a philosophy similar to d’antoni’s. the bulls could have waited for the finals to end, or go through more candidates, but i’m guessing del negro’s thoughts were reminiscent of d’antoni’s in order to justify the ‘quick’ decision.

granted, i’m giving pax and jr the benefit of the doubt here, but i think assuming the best is the only real outlook to have going into this new situation. (obviously, i’m a d’antoni fan.)

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by MarketMaker on Jun 9, 2008 11:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree about the D'Antoni similiarity

every account I’ve seen indicates that VDN had a similar philosophy as the presumably shared by Kerr and Paxson, which would lead me to believe this is how Paxson became comfortable with VDN.

This is why I’m happier with the VDN hire than Casey or Person – VDN has held positions that require more intelligence than just basketball intelligence. The man has been in the front office, has essentially had the seat Paxson sits in, has focused on player development, on team building, relationship building, basically strategic intelligence. Does this make him a good coach or a better candidate? We can’t yet tell. But there’s a difference between taking a chance and having to settle. With VDN, I feel the Bulls are taking a chance. With Casey and/or Person, I’d feel the Bulls were settling.

by messwiththebull on Jun 9, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Maybe its a thought that the assistants working for lakers and celtic teams are gonna stay and see if they can win a ‘ship with a team thats obviously a contender. so maybe thibedeau was really off the market no matter what the celtics do this year.

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by piccolomair on Jun 9, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then why did he take a 1 year deal?

Plus, I can’t remember the last time I heard of an assistant turning down a head coaching job to remain as an assistant.

by potato0328 on Jun 9, 2008 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait and see.

MarketMaker you just wrote what I was going to type. Brilliant!!!!

by illwill on Jun 9, 2008 11:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Perfect

Perfect analysis MarketMaker You wrote what I was thinking.

by illwill on Jun 9, 2008 11:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry i didnt read the other 52 comments...

YET!!!

However, i wanted to state a reason for selecting Vinny that paxson might have thought up of. since vinny got talent for pheonix and was a scout, maybe he won paxson over by telling paxson he got alot of good players, and he could help pick the better of the two (beasley or rose) for the next draft and would know how to develop all talent and have them mesh. That seems to me a big thing for the bulls to do this upcoming season. Have all players who are on the roster play to thier fullest in an enviroment where they can succeed with better lineups….cuz this team has talent. Maybe vinny being an ex scout, and ex gm, and ex radio personel has the abililty to see those things in players and rosters…and see thier talent levels. Maybe….

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by piccolomair on Jun 9, 2008 11:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Derrick Rose!

D-Rose should be the focus and Pax should hire somene who maximizes his talents. We have a roster that is ready to run. We have Gordon, Deng, Thabo, Tyrus, Noah, Gooden, Noce and soon we will have Rose. We can package Kirk, Larry and a future pick for possibly J. O’ Neal or E. Brand. We should also test the waters for Okefor or Aldridge.

by illwill on Jun 9, 2008 11:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can see it!

Rose pushing the ball, Gordon and Deng spot up on the wings and Noah and Tyrus filling the lanes! Alley oop to thomas! United Center goes nuts!

by illwill on Jun 9, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet,

I was just watching ESPN news and they had Tim Legler give his opinion, not that his opinion really matters or anything, on the Bulls coaching hire. To my suprise, rather than taking the easy route and making cracks about the Bulls hiring a guy that has never coached before, he went the entire opposite way. He totally loved the move. He went as far as to credit Pax for “thinking outside the box”, and that Vinny would be the perfect guy to guide a young team and presumably a young point guard. Just thought it was interesting, I woulda bet my life that this was gonna get universally trashed, especially at the boo-ya network.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 9, 2008 11:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that is surprising

although maybe Legler thinks he’s now next in line :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2008 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

News Flash

Pax just sent me an e-mail notifying me that I was just hired as VP to the VP of Chicago Bulls basketball operations.

by illwill on Jun 10, 2008 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At first Pax's affinity for white, overacheiving guards

was kind of endearing, after this hire it’s starting to border on creepy.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 10, 2008 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was

an All-New York City All Star in 6th grade. Averaged 20 points, 0 rebounds and 0 assists (so you could tell what kind of player I was!!). I stood 5’1” in my basketball shoes. It was my last year of competitive basketball. I guess that makes me an overachieving white guard…maybe I should be considered for the job of top assistant.

by Cannoli on Jun 10, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heard Legler on Mike/Mike (insider podcast)

and he was qualified as ‘a friend’ of Vinny, but nonetheless reiterated that he liked the hire, says Vinny knows the game and is good with people.

Said that it was a good thing Collins backed out, as he looked like he didn’t want to coach anymore when in Washington.

VNG was overlooked for Terry Porter in Phoenix because Kerr and Porter have a personal (Reinsdorf-Collins manlove esque?) relationship.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's only a two year deal

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-080609-chicago-bulls-vinny-del-negro,0,823414.story

The deal isn’t complete, but sources said Del Negro will sign a two-year contract with a team option for a third season and be paid roughly $2 million annually. That will make him one of the league’s lowest-paid coaches.

That’s a terrible idea. Not the money, but the years. It’s going to take him two years just to figure out what the hell he’s doing. If you want to hire a guy who’s never coached before, you have to be patient with him. If the Bulls don’t pick up that option, he’ll be a lame duck after his first year.

by Big D on Jun 10, 2008 12:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Does seem like kind of an odd deal lengthwise,

but the two years does lend itself very well to Pax’s trademark indecisiveness

by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 10, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i agree

if he’s going to be that cheap, why not give him a four year deal. if the Bulls aren’t going to pick up his option, Pax would be better off just firing him. we all saw how Boylan’s lame duck period went.

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jun 10, 2008 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but they should be able to have an idea if he's competent or not.

It’s the most important two years for the franchise’s next decade, but still… Sure, they should be patient, but anytime “you” have control over something, it’s almost always a good thing.

by tyger1147 on Jun 10, 2008 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 years...

Maybe VDN wanted a short term contract. If he is confident in his abilities, then maybe he didn’t want to sign a longer term for such a low salary. This way, if the team does well, he can get an extension at a more lucrative salary.

Just speculation of course. But I can see why he would be willing to do a short term contract. And if this goes badly, he can return to a front office position.

by kidronmusic on Jun 10, 2008 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, if the first year goes well,

they deal with the lame duck status by picking up the option after the first year? It kind of does make sense for both sides.

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 10, 2008 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1st year goes well

If he does well I assume VDN would renegotiate the whole thing as he would not want to be a low-paid coach and then the Bulls pay the market rate which is fine.

by bullschwaa on Jun 10, 2008 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For me what's done is done.

Or what is almost done is almost done. Can’t say much about it besides that we simply won’t know how right or wrong it is until we see it play out a little further. No amount of worrying is going to help at this point and unlike someone with experience we can’t even talk about how previous players worked with the new coach. The good news is that there isn’t anything besides the draft this summer now I was really not expecting the Bulls getting the number 1 draft pick and having such an endless coaching search. It was supposed to be a quiet summer.

by cranscape on Jun 10, 2008 12:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I could swear...

some people here just love to complain.

Really, I am positive some of the people complaining here about the VDN hire are also complaining about the low commitment of a 2 year contract. Doesnt the 2 years mean they are giving him a go – without locking into a long term deal? Dont you think VDN would have happily signed that 2 year deal – given he is getting his first shot and can prove himself? Dont you think the Bulls are doing the right thing giving this guy a shorter deal, with the option of a 3rd year, so he can prove he can do it?

Common guys – Its a risky hire – but its a contract that isnt that risky, so it evens out.

Give the guy a chance, and remember its going to be an exciting off season! New young coach, number 1 pick, trade assests galore. There is alot to be positive about! :)

by rquinsee on Jun 10, 2008 12:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No coach should get only a two year contract

If you don’t have more faith in the coach than that, then you shouldn’t hire him.

by Big D on Jun 10, 2008 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe

They have faith – I dont believe they would have hired him otherwise

I do however believe they have the business sense not to get too carried away with long term deals with such a young team and coach

by rquinsee on Jun 10, 2008 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They pretty much only have faith

because they got zero facts. No past performance to base it on. I don’t find it very comforting.

by cranscape on Jun 10, 2008 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beautifully stated

and right on point.

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by Jivas on Jun 10, 2008 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a 3 year contract

the 3rd year is a team option, which is just good negotiating and doesn’t ‘signify’ anything.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2008 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two years until the roster gets blown up

The deal may be two years because that is how many more seasons Paxson wants to commit to the current roster. If the team is still flailing around it gets blown up and a new coach is hired.

by NBA Observer on Jun 10, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree to an extent

Its a risky hire, but I think this has to go a step further… we need to get better players.. look at Boston, they making Doc Rivers look like a genius. Lets hope management hasnt forgotten we still kinda suck and need to improve greatly player wise

by NamingRightsOnSale on Jun 10, 2008 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're making Doc Rivers look competent.

But I guess that’s besides the point.

by potato0328 on Jun 10, 2008 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what Paxson thinks

Because that’s sort of the big question here. D’Antoni and Collins were guys you’d go get (and have to pay for) if you expect to field a highly competitive team. A newbie on a two-year deal is what you get when you don’t think you’re going anywhere.

Can Paxson have that wildly varying beliefs about the team?

by Sports2 on Jun 10, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess Donnie Walsh expects great things

All kidding aside, I’d put a lot more stock in Larry Brown, and Flip Saunders as “guys you’d go get (and have to pay for) if you expect to field a highly competitive team.” D’Antoni and Doug’s resumes look entry level compared to those guys.

by hscs on Jun 10, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true, but...

I really think that this hire is super important, (hopefully) a turning point back to where we seemed to be headed before last year. It’s essential that we develop and coach our young guys (Tyrus, Thabo, Rose?) and not-so-young guys (BG, Luol, Kirk?) well enough so that, when they hit their prime in a couple years, this is a time that has a shot at a championship. Because once that windows closes… well, we’re basically the Detroit Pistons (except probably worse).

by potato0328 on Jun 10, 2008 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reminder: Luol is 23 years old

He’s actually younger than Thabo.

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by Jivas on Jun 10, 2008 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BaB needs a pop-up ad/reminder or something

that includes Thabo’s age, Gordon and Deng’s trade restrictions, and a link to basketball-reference.

by hscs on Jun 10, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or a way to banish all trade proposals

For Jermaine O’Neal, Shaq, and McGrady to the twilight zone where bullshooter has been imprisoned in.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good deal.

This is a great deal for both parties, becasue if he sucks you don’t lose too much, but if he is good you can always re-work the deal. I hope this works out, I think Pax need to move on to the draft before he makes a mistake and draft Brook Lopez.

Rose / Obama 08

by illwill on Jun 10, 2008 1:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who else read that anti-D'Antoni quote...
and was critical that D’Antoni played an eight-man rotation and did not develop the younger players Del Negro had helped add to the roster as first a scout and then assistant GM.

... and thought, “Who exactly did Del Negro add?” Was it… Gordon Giricek, Linton Johnson, Alando Tucker, D.J. Strawberry, Sean Marks? Or was he referring to previous years when he brought in Marcus Banks, James Jones, Jumaine Jones, and Nikoloz Tskitishvili? Perhaps there’s a reason why D’Antoni was the hottest coach on the market, while Kerr would only consider Del Negro to be one of Terry Porter’s assistants.

Has any team been worse at GMing in the past few years than the Phoenix Suns? I can’t help but think John Paxson just laid a mega-egg.

by YaoPau on Jun 10, 2008 2:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm just pissed

That I invested so much time to learn how to properly pronounce “Tskitishvili”, and then the player was a massive bust.

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by Jivas on Jun 10, 2008 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and most of the really crappy Suns decisions were owner-driven...

...not GM-driven. It’s not like the Suns’ GM wanted to trade Kurt Thomas and a first-round pick for nothing in return. Robert Sarver is a cheapskate of the highest order, and is responsible for the deterioration of their talent base.

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by Jivas on Jun 10, 2008 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must say that I disagree with the premise of this post.

To say there’s no reason to preemptively dislike VDH, I mean. there was no reason to preemptovely dislike Jim Boylan. The very fact that there is no reason to preemptively dislike him (cause he has no coaching background I guess), is the very reason not to like him.
The fact that a guy hasn’t been around long enough to tarnish his nonexistant coaching record is not exactly a sign from the heavens. This guy is in way over his head. And whether or not he turns into the next Phil Jackson will not change that. There’s no way he’s ready to walk into this land mine just yet. Plus along with that huge head of hair comes a pre-packaged excuse for management as to why this team needs to endure yet another rebuilding year.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 10, 2008 2:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"I mean. there was no reason to preemptovely dislike Jim Boylan."

exactly. i think we all gave boylan a chance (in which he showed himself to be as bad a coach as the world has ever witnessed) before we decided that he is better suited for anything in the world besides being the head coach of the chicago bulls. and furthermore, let’s all have enough respect for vinny del negro as to not compare him to boylan. that is an insult of the highest caliber. i’m not sure how you found out he’s over his head, but if he turns into the next phil jackson then you would be categorically wrong.
in conclusion: jim boylan= worst coach ever and should never be used in comparison. phil jackson= a highly successful coach who is not over his head.

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by MarketMaker on Jun 10, 2008 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You hit the nail on the head of what's really scary

If the team does suck they do have the excuse of VDN, they have the option to cut him after two years, making this entire endeavor all for nothing. You would think if VDN is a failure that would at least mean Paxson’s gone, but the consensus on the board seems to be Paxson can stay as long as he wants, our own Isiah Thomas. So if the VDN era is a failure, not only will we have wasted key years, but we’ll have nothing to show for it and nobody will be taking any…wait for it…accountability.

by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 10, 2008 5:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, the guy deserves a chance.

Hell, I really hope he does well. But I like to separate my hopes from my evaluation of what I think will actually happen. And what I think will actually happen is that he won’t be very good.

1. Inexperienced coach coming into a very complex situation. Why’s it complex?
+ Need strong player development.
+ Crowded rotation you’ll have to keep happy.
+ Players that don’t necessarily fit that well together in the first place.
+ High expectations.
+ No obvious (good) leadership from players.
+ Establishing a professional environment where there isn’t one (player dissension, no videotape, no playbook, etc etc).

2. The first thing I’ve seen about Del Negro I didn’t like. Supposedly he was upset that D’Antoni didn’t play “his guys”. Well, Vinnie, by and large, I’m going to have to side with D’Antoni on that one. He was busy trying to put the best players on the floor for a contending team and VD is miffed because DJ Strawberry and Marcus Banks aren’t getting run? They aren’t getting run because they stink, Vin. Wanting “your guys” to play is one thing, but not having a good perspective on who your guys are and what your team’s situation is, to the extent you’re mad about it, is not good.

3. Bob Hill?

by Sports2 on Jun 10, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree with 1

2 is a little unfair. they didn’t have a good bench but some of it could be used a little more liberally. some of the key members on their team are getting old and need more rest than they were getting. plus, the suns consistently sell their picks and such and that obviously wasn’t his choice. but i can’t blame him for wanting to see some more player development – at least an attempt at it.

3. this i agree. this really is my biggest fear. he even looks like the weasel he is.

by Jaina on Jun 10, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Del Negro quote

is something I’d like to see explored. Was he talking about before the Shaq trade, after the Shaq trade, or what exactly?

Trying to hash out what he meant the only two names I could come up with were Alando Tucker and DJ Strawberry and these guys were back and forth between the NBA and the D-League all season.

I can see Del Negro’s point about building your bench through getting them into the rotation. You need your bench to extend your team’s reach in the playoffs. I just see the Shaq trade as throwing off a whole lot of stuff in the Suns organization.

by NBA Observer on Jun 10, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next Phil Jackson?

All this talk about maybe becoming the next Phil Jackson is ridiculous! So what if Jackson had little coaching experience. He walked on to a Bulls team that had two of the top 50 players EVER, not to mention the best player ever. What does this team have an athletic bust, a tiny SG, a post that cares more about his hair then his game, and a stoned center. The only good sign was the pick. I’m sorry to say this but this team was a good coach away from contending and Pax and Jr screwed it up.

by D-rose on Jun 10, 2008 3:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it's weird that you belittle the players on the team and then say they were a good coach away from contending.
What does this team have an athletic bust, a tiny SG, a post that cares more about his hair then his game, and a stoned center… I’m sorry to say this but this team was a good coach away from contending and Pax and Jr screwed it up.

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by MarketMaker on Jun 10, 2008 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I LiKe tHis HiRe.

if VDN as our HC get’s Pax the boot that much faster: IM ALL FOR IT

by AFireInside661 on Jun 10, 2008 5:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There is one saving grace - this is a two year guaranteed contract at 2 mil/year.

The third year is not guanteed. If VDN doesn’t work out this year he can be fired and it will only cost the Bulls $2 mil in next years salary.

by chgobr on Jun 10, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I never thought....

i would be saying Vinny Del Negro and the Chicago Bulls in the same sentence!!! I hope Pax is right on this one if not its curtains for him as a GM

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 10, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well maybe,

just maybe, Pax knew what he wanted all along.

He wanted a coach that would share most of this thoughts on how to put his young roster back into place.

He wanted someone who would not care as much for winning games as the process, but rather developing his young players, playing to their abilities, up-tempo, etc.

And all that the more experienced guys out there would emphasize was : play hard, accountability, X and Os to win games in the 4th quarter, etc. Not what he wanted.

What he (or would that be us) wanted to hear is : sure I will play Tyrus and Joakim and DRose and Thabo and Gordon and Deng foremost, for long stretches until they become the force they can be (or not). X and Os will be a plus (and maybe Vinny can be good at in-game decision making too).

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jun 10, 2008 9:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kelly Dwyer's take

here

One thing scares the crap out of me – the idea that Bob Hill will become Del Negro’s lead assistant. There’s nothing wrong, especially as a coaching neophyte, to have a veteran hand behind you.<

But Hill’s veteran hand has had no shame in stabbing his bosses in the back in the past as he tries to move up in the food chain. He’s the ultimate NBA usurper, and has been for over two decades. With Del Negro working with one of the league’s cheapest coaching contracts and with only two years guaranteed, I can’t think of a coach I’d look less fondly on to take over should things go to pot, say, by December of 2009. I’d be looking fondly on the truncated Doug Collins era by that point.<

by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 10, 2008 9:39 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I also remember his rep as someone everyone hated

Dwyer’s other points are also good. Except when he grouped Aaron Gray with the ‘young talent’.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, KD as always

writes the truth. This guy must be lurking on BaB, it’s not possible otherwise. Or is it just common sense that only the Bulls coaches (well, Skiles and Boylan) can’t understand (hopefully, only so far) ?

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jun 10, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

common

if you watch as many Bulls games as he does.

He posts sometimes on the RealGM board, not sure if he has an account here.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In defense of KD,

all he directly says about Gray is that he’s under 25.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 10, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

music to my ears
Andres Nocioni will eat fiberglass if it means his team could go on an 8-2 run. He’ll try to guard every guy on the court, all at once. He’ll take every charge he can. He’ll try to contest every jump shot. All of these are admirable, in their own way.

None of these things help a team win.

Noc leaves his man far too often to try and take a charge, and even if his mean doesn’t score, the defensive possession is shot once the opposing team moves the ball a bit. Those contested jumpers often mean Andres is trying to block a jump shot, which means an easy drive or easy foul call for the shooter in question. And Nocioni continues to go against the defensive game plan, double-teaming on a whim and throwing his team off-kilter.

Finally, someone who makes sense. Not the “but he’s the only one who has heart!” argument. Ugh.

by NormVanBeer on Jun 10, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Are we stuck on evals from the 07-08 season?

It’s a bad season to use. Everyone regressed except for the players that were new to the team.

by NBA Observer on Jun 10, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nocioni has always played that way

If you ask me, Dwyer is taking a complete body of work of Noce’s defensive tactics. Nobody noticed it (or cared to comment on it) previously, because it was new. People were too busy mistaking “intesity” and “heart” for completely bad defense.

by NormVanBeer on Jun 10, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet the team still finished top 10 defensively

in those years.

If Nocioni’s defense was so poor before why wasn’t it showing up in the team in prior years?

by NBA Observer on Jun 10, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gordon's D wasn't exactly great either

The other members of the team were picking up for Gordon’s slight stature and Nocioni’s roaming.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Jun 10, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was showing up

That’s why Nocioni was a frequently complained about plus-minus rating loser.

by hscs on Jun 10, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prior to this last season?

I only was here for this past 07-08 season so I wouldn’t have any information on the debates in years past.

The plus-minus rating is also something new to me last season. I like what it measures.

by NBA Observer on Jun 10, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's too busy seeing the future to worry about the past

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Jun 10, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

after having the news sit a day

this is really the only thing that is bugging me about this right now.

by Jaina on Jun 10, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Such a good read

Dwyer always nails it!

by Option27 on Jun 10, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent find.

Apologies that I didn’t read all the way down before posting my agreement with a post above regarding Loser Bob Hill.

By the way, I’m rec-ing you. For quoting KD. That kid’s sharp..

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Jun 10, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reinsdorf is very happy

a new cheap lame duck newbie coach, and a small town, yes man GM who is fascinated with gambling and attempting to hit a home run of unknown/little know/unproven players, coaches and his own limited knowledge of basketball operational management. In regards to Paxson, I find it hard to be convinced that he knows what he wants or what he is doing?

Reinsdorf can now continue to call the shots from behind close doors…

by exult463 on Jun 10, 2008 9:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that's two. Trolls pay the toll...

management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skip and the Two Stu's are in complete agreement on this one...

it’s all about what happens on the golf course. They must mean the metaphorical golf course though, because I can’t see JR linksing it up.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 10, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Skip's opinion actually made me like the hire better.

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 10, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's gotta be doing that on purpose.

It’s hard to believe he’s so wrong on so many subjects.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 10, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I totally agree that he does a lot of pot-stirring

I’m sure it’s expected of him in that role. It’s the manner in which he presents his opinions that really turns me off – pretty much the same reason I don’t care for Stephen A.

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 10, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Easy Task!

Whats not being said is what is obvious, coaching on any level above high school is not plain old X’s and O’s it is very complicated and rather sophisticated X’s and O’s. If VDN has zero coaching experience I would assume that he would be developing an offensive and defensive scheme from scratch. Most NBA teams use at least 4 or 5 base sets for their offense, meaning no less than 8 to 10 seperate motions for each player. We know a triangle offense when we see it, but could we diagram it, and explain it to a genius like Tyrus? I wish him well but I think VDN has been tossed up like a clay pigeon!

by A Train Afro 53 on Jun 10, 2008 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Playbook O.K.?

Remember VDN has to write that playbook!

by A Train Afro 53 on Jun 10, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

with the Bulls roster in mind too

It’s actually a win-win. Doug Collins was dusting off his 1923 copy of How To Play Peachball The Gentlemanly Way.

by hscs on Jun 10, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's my point. He really doesn't have to.

He doesn’t have to come up with some brand new offense. Just pick and choose what he likes. My guess is he’s already done that and showed it, or explained it, to Paxson.

I’m not behind the hire, but you’re taking this too far.

by tyger1147 on Jun 10, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bulls Will Have To Innovate!

The Bulls don’t quite have the talent (Star Player or two) to run easy and known plays, like some other teams do, so when faced with a coach with more experience and a team with equal or greater talent they stand a good chance of getting picked apart.

by A Train Afro 53 on Jun 10, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gimmicks are not the answer.

First off, a neophyte coach would be unlikely to be able to out scheme veteran coaches while he is still learning on the job. His job will be to motivate and develop the young talent on the team. That is where improvement will come from, not from Vinny inventing a ‘Pentagon offenese’ or some such.

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope."

by californiachicagoan on Jun 10, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well that depends.

Is the veteran coach someone like Jim Bo he who shall remain nameless? Or Isiah Thomas?

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Jun 10, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh?

These guys are good players, and have played basketball before. There aren’t any great isolation players on the team, but the offense has been mediocre with mostly the same group of players, and the defense has been #1 with mostly the same group of players (even Ben Gordon (GASP)). The coach just has to be competent to get the team back on track, and the #1 pick hopefully solves everything else.

by hscs on Jun 10, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big If?

I just hope he IS competent and not just a rah rah rah sis boom baa! Go team! Clueless cheerleader type!

by A Train Afro 53 on Jun 10, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

Now I don’t feel so cheated and scammed, and a little bit nauseous after paying for those damn season tix.

by A Train Afro 53 on Jun 10, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

VDN Press conference

via Hoopsworld

Vinny Del Negro will be announced as the new coach of the Chicago Bulls on Wednesday.

The Bulls have scheduled a news conference for 3 p.m. EDT to introduce Del Negro, who spent this past season as the assistant general manager of the Phoenix Suns.

by NormVanBeer on Jun 10, 2008 11:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CSN?

2pm here, but on CSN?

Priority:
Move To the OK

by bulls*hit on Jun 10, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

VDN's interview

via K.C.’s trib article

Sources familiar with the interview process said the final interviews with Casey and Del Negro centered heavily on leadership in the locker room for the league’s youngest team.

So THAT’S how he won them over. Eh…hopefully it happens. That team desperately needs a leader.

by NormVanBeer on Jun 10, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow. Surprise, surprise.

And here I was just beginning to hope it was, “I’ll have them run w/ the ball more, and I’ll develop the young talent.” But it was really, “How badly do you miss Scottie, Johnny? I’ll be just like Skiles.”

And then Matt’s “nonathletic” conversation played out the rest of the way.

by tyger1147 on Jun 10, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HOW THE HELL

would you know that btw? inside info?We do not know anything ATM…We dont know what kind of coach he will be or whats his philosophy.Comparing him to skiles….hahahha..thats just sad and funny..

by SK23 on Jun 10, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently, I should have added this is all tongue-and-cheek...

...and I don’t believe a word of it, and I’m very frustrated that the result of a six-and-a-half month search for a coach resulted in a huge unknown.

by tyger1147 on Jun 10, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could have been worse

We could have not gotten lucky and stayed at the #9 pick. Imagine dealing with Head Coach Search-palooza when you’re hoping Kevin Love falls down to you?

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't Del Negro

have been a color commentator for the Suns while Skiles was their coach?

Timeline says yes.
http://www.nba.com/suns/news/del_negro_070828.html

by NBA Observer on Jun 10, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

too bad there weren't any Suns funs back then

We could ask someone what Vinny had to say.

by hscs on Jun 10, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey hey

Any fanbase that celebrates a Finals loss with a parade is A-OK.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, including the famous

towel-throwing incident. That would have been just about when Ainge became coach, as I recall.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Jun 10, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody Notice A Trend?

Phoenix, Detroit, Chicago all hire INEXPENSIVE coaches. It’s too hard to win so why waste money on trying?

Chicago fans march like lemmings through the gates as always.

by hhirb on Jun 11, 2008 12:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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