'league sources': It's Del Negro
by KT on Jun 9, 2008 12:31 PM CDT
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According to Mike McGraw's sources :
The Bulls have chosen Vinny Del Negro to be their new head coach, according to league sources
I wonder what he said that sold him to Pax and Reinsdorf? And does he live near Jerry? The Herald is the only place that appears to have it right now, but that will change soon.
Not sure what to think about this at all.
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I'll tel lyou what he said that sold him
“I come cheap!”
I think he’ll be allright, though I have nothing to base that on. I was more for a fresh outlook than the names that were being thrown out there, Thibodeau included.
by messwiththebull on Jun 9, 2008 12:34 PM CDT reply actions
maybe he said
“wow pax, you’re more handsome personally and i’ve been admiring your managing skills for the past 24 hours”
maybe he said
“Larry Hughes is a bum, and I have no problem not playing him.”
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
here's all you need to know
from the Trib article:
Little is known about his basketball philosophy since he never has coached before.
Ooooohkay. This is going to work out well.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
That means no one has ever quit on him!
And he’s not a playoff choker like Flip.
Vinny FTW!
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya know what
I would think given the amount of folks we interviewed and questioned on this, that Paxson has found “his guy” versus Reinsdorf’s guy…..
Perhaps Del Negro’s plan was the best of the bunch. Let’s give him a chance.
Phil Jackson never had head coaching experience before (And likely wasn’t as good a player as Del Negro)....
Avery Johnson had no head coaching experience.
D’Antoni had no NBA head coaching experience….
What about Popovich?
Etc. etc. etc.
We have the talent, I would have to believe after spending 7-8 weeks discussing coaching philosophies and knowing Paxson’s solid career and good move in signing Skiles as our last coach, that maybe just maybe Del Negro will be good.
Frankly I’d rather see him as a fresh guy/new voice/new philosophy than Doug Collins…and Avery’s rough track record with Dirk and co (the no communication thing, the over compensating for other team’s style of play despite the fact that the Mavs normally had more talent) lead me not to want Avery….Flip, I was never very gung ho on, though at this point given Flip’s successes I could be happy with him.
Let’s see what Vinny has to offer….I’m all for this signing.
Jackson did coach in the CBA, D'Antoni in Italy (and a brief stint with the Nuggets)
In general I agree with what you’re saying though.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a HUGE (incalculable, insurmountable???) difference...
...between no HEAD coaching experience and no COACHING experience. I can’t believe that’s lost on you.
This is the most amazing “hire” ever. On the plus side, Collins was declared the head coach, too, so maybe we’re not so close.
What experience does he have
managing a team, drawing up plays, and organizing a staff and practices? Well, shooting hundreds of thousands of jumpshots, of course!
Phil Jackson won a CBA Championship...
...as Head Coach of the Albany Patroons, if I remember correctly.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 9, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed he did
Also coached in freaking Puerto Rico, I mean that’s committment to coaching.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Popovich
Was an assistant for the Air Force Academy and Pomona-Pitzer before joining Larry Brown at Kansas University. He then joined Brown in the NBA for the Spurs for 4 years before getting canned by the Spurs owner. He was assistant under Don Nelson in 1992 before becoming the GM of the Spurs under the new ownership group. Then he fired Bob Hill and took over a year prior to drafting Timmy.
Avery Johnson was an assistant coach under Don Nelson before he coached and we all know how that turned out.
Phil Jackson won a CBA championship and was an assistant Collins before taking over as head coach. He also had Johnny Bach and Tex Winters veteran coaches to help him. Tex implemented the triangle and Bach implemented the Doberman Defense that was key to the championship runs.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
Don't worry
VD will have veteran coaches to help him too. Ron Adams, Pete Myers… those dudes have been around forever.
Seriously?
This is conjecture, right. Do you have a source that states that Adams, Myers, or any of the hold-overs are still on board for next year?
"It is not the same to talk of bulls as to be in the bullring." ~Spanish Proverb"
they've been labled 'organizational guys'
so it’s likely, but not official.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's conjecture
But to add fuel to the fire, when I was on my way home tonight, I heard Rick Bucher saying we got VD because, unlike D’Antoni, he was willing to accept a lot of input in terms of the composition of his staff and the way he did things.
Seems like revisionism to me WRT D’Antoni since he was the guy who walked away from the Bulls, not vice versa. But it could indicate the way the Bulls want to go.
But
I’m sure there were guys who questioned if a CBA championship is worthy of a head couaching spot especially when we had Michael Jordan on the team…
And Popovich’s pre Spurs history is spotty too.
Del Negro at least has been an assistant GM and a NBA player…..that’s not all that bad.
I say give him a shot.
by majoyenrac on Jun 9, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
Popovich was criticized pretty hard when he won 17 wins the next year. Yes there was a lot who questioned firing a coach who led Bulls to the 50 wins and an appearance in the Semi finals for Phil.
I was never arguing against VDN. I truly believe there was no apparent stud out there in the coaching ranks. However your best argument would have been for Pat Riley who was a former NBA player. He took over as head coach in awkward firing of Westpaul 6 games after he was just pulled from the broadcast booth to be one of Westpaul’s assistants.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
That's better than already having an idea on what a guy's philosophy is
not liking it, but having to settle for it anyway. That’s how I felt about the carosel of assistants like Casey, Person, and Thibodeau. It’s as hard to criticize this choice as it would be to praise it because of the lack of a track record, this is no way an accurate gauge, but I did like Del Negro quite a bit as an announcer because I felt he was smart and knew the game. However, when I listen to a guy like Mark Jackson, I become even happier the Bulls passed on him.
by messwiththebull on Jun 9, 2008 12:39 PM CDT reply actions
And JVG nailed him immediately for it!
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
JVG's response was funny
It was way too long for it to not be interrupted by at least Mike Breen as a peacemaker.
couldnt agree more
i never cared for jackson before. but after hearing his announcing skill ive grown to hate him more and more. its always so damn obvious. hed always say things like “if im kobe bryant i would say to myself i need to make a shot”. all his comments begin with “if i’m… or i’d say…”
All this Hinrich hate is making me like him more...
Yeah no to Flip, Avery, D'Antoni, Carlisle, Thibodeau, Collins, me, my mom, and the bums in Rogers Park
But yes to Vinny freaking Del Negro. Please let this be another moment of Bulls incompetence, leading Vinny to back out and Pax saying there were “philosophical differences.”
Rusty Longley v 2.0
I supposed we will find out soon enough how bad this will be.
Although bending over and kissing our asses goodbye right now is probably the correct thing to do. I bet all of the Bulls want to be traded about now.
I don't see why
maybe they can sell that he’s like D’Antoni, who they liked.
I bet the players respect a former player more anyway. Not that it matters if he can’t coach, but at least in the initial battle for hearts and minds, I don’t see this being negative with the players.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
How is it not negative?
“Hey guys, here’s your new coach, he’s never done this before so take it easy on him.”
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 9, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
But isn't he an anti-D'Antoni
Seeing as how he was a buddy of Kerr in Phoenix?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if he's Kerr's buddy
He joined the front office in 2006, Kerr didn’t until 2007. Kerr hired his old teammate Porter for coach.
Del Negro used to do radio commentary for the Suns.
by KT on Jun 9, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
not buddy enough
since he wasn’t even considered for their coaching vacancy :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same
He may have been more in D’Antoni’s court than Kerr’s.
by California Al on Jun 9, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
they've never heard of him
The players wanted D’Antoni, not some other vaguely Italian sounding guy from Phoenix. A former player might be respected if it was someone who, you know, the current players might recognize. I guarantee you not one current Bulls player had ever heard of VDN before this week. This will not go over well with them.
(Not saying that what the players want should be the most important thing, of course, but it helps to get someone with face validity.)
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they know him
like I said, NBA Jam.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
tournament edition?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
He was not in NBA Jam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nba_jam
He was in NBA Hangtime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Hangtime
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
ah, well there you go.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Negative for Touny edition also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Jam_Tournament_Edition
But Yinka Dare and Eric Montross made it.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
I am mostly worried
that after such a bad season that this won’t jump start the team. We have a bunch of players trying to figure out there place on the team and now a coach that has never done anything like this before trying to figure things out for himself as well.
And not just a bad season
as far as players performance, but as far as the coaching relationship. I had a feeling we needed someone who could swoop in from day one with a plan. VD might have that, but who knows what it might look like.
Besides all of that, why does he want to be coach?
If it was something he was working towards why wouldn’t he be an assistant somewhere already? Is this just something he wanted to try out then? Because I know in my own career there were some thing I make sure I did as I was progressing to prepare myself for the job. It wasn’t something you just jump into because it is offered to you. Its just weird he hasn’t seemed to invest any time into this career choice as you’d typically see.
He was up for the Phoenix job when D'Antoni took it.
I don’t think he just called Pax and said “Hey I think I might wanna coach your team.”
the pick will jump start the team
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I sorta of like it because there is no
history of crappy basketball decisions to hate by Del Negro. There’s no baggage. And I’ll give Paxson the benefit of the doubt that there was something that separated Del Negro from the other two dozen guys. I actually like that Del Negro’s experience is as a broadcaster, front office, and player development instead of an assistant coach. I don’t necessarily think the skills and mentality of assistant coaches transfers very well. Also, supposedly Phoenix’s play by play guy said on Mike North that Del Negro had experienced assistant lined up that would join his staff. I can being mildly optimistic about this.
formerly sbulls
I agree
He definitely deserves a shot. He said he wanted to get into coaching, and maybe he’s just the dark horse coaching candidate, and he really might have something that Kerr didn’t see. Remember, Kerr was ultimately responsible for trading for Shaq, so Kerr’s not so intelligent, IMO. I agree that VDN (nice nickname, at least) more than anyone knows he lacks experience, so he’ll hire some experienced assistants.
I would think, just as with the Doug Collins semi-hiring, that VDN would want to draft the player that would bring him less headaches, so that would be Rose. I think drafting Rose would jump start the team.
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 9, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
well said
there’s no history to pick apart, for better or worse. And I’m generally in favor of not going the retread market (That said, Flip wasn’t any old retread, IMO)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
that's insane
lack of a track record is not a qualification to be an NBA head coach.
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But
It’s better than a bad track record.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 9, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe this is Pax's plan:
“Don’t you dare criticize me you, you media people!!! You cannot tell me this is a bad hire because you can’t say that he’s bad. He’s never been bad. So thhhpppppp!!!”
I agree with the sentiment, however
I wouldn’t go so far as to say “I like it”. Rather, my response based on Del Negro’s lack of known coaching suckitude is “I don’t dislike it”.
As I noted on another post, let’s not get too hyped up at this coaching hire. It is extraordinarily unlikely that Del Negro will still be the coach when we’re ready to (hopefully) make a championship run. There’s only a few coaches in the same spot they were 2/3 years ago, and if we take Rose we’re pushing our window back to the 2011-2015 area. There are two scenarios here for Del Negro:
(1) He’s a coaching stud and will be leading us during that window of success;
(2) He’s something other than a coaching stud and is replaced before that period, in which case we should save our energy for that coaching search process. Note that this scenario doesn’t necessarily indicate that he becomes a bad coach – given the rapid turnover in the profession, anything other than perfect and he’s gone by 2011.
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Which is why I said sorta of like it.
It’s a statement of something slightly more than ambivalence.
formerly sbulls
If we've learned anything from the last year
(or two in some cases) it doesn’t take much to screw up your young players. There are risks taking this guy with such a young team and the #1 pick. Players like Thomas can’t take another year of crazy coaching and I don’t know I would want to risk the #1 pick getting off on the wrong foot either. He might turn out to be the best thing ever, but out of everyone he interviewed…? I am beginning to think no one good wanted to come to the Bulls circus after they took a peek inside.
I agree 100% with you that the *wrong* hire can seriously affect our young players
But I have no evidence that Del Negro is the wrong hire. So I guess I’m just sitting back, completely devoid of emotion on the matter, waiting to see/hear/read more about what type of a coach he’ll be.
His introductory press conference should be interesting.
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The guy has no coaching expirence
of any kind at any level. The head coach of an NBA team isnt the place for on the job training. If he wants to become a coach hire him as an assistant or have him be the head guy of our NBDL team, but to give him the keys to the Porsche is just dumb.
Porsche? :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
If it turns out to be a dumb move
Then Del Negro will be gone within two years, and we can hope that he wouldn’t have done too much damage in that time.
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Bulls coaching checklist
- Journeyman? Check.
- Point Guard? Check.
- Scrappy? Check.
- Sloppy Seconds from Phoenix? Check.
zing!
yeesh, I can picture him in Paxson’s office going: “ya know, John, like you I wasn’t the most athletic guy…I had to work for everything I had in this league…and because of that…”
Pax: ::infatuated glance:: Stop. Just…Stop. You had me at ‘nonathletic’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
we should've had a leaderboard
of stories broken by the beat writers in this search. I believe Hanley had Collins first.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it was McGraw both times.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
Trib link...
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
More than anything...
I am just happy the Bulls finally have a coach, whoever it is. They took so long that apparently from writers, around the league they were beginning to look like fools without direction. I was really hoping that they found a coach before the Pistons hired Michael Curry and before the workouts beginning on June 16.
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 9, 2008 1:09 PM CDT reply actions
The same thing
was said about he who will not be named when Skiles left. I was under the impression we were looking for a coach, not just a warm body.
Perhaps in these threads we should refer to "he who will not be named" as
Example:
It doesn’t make any sense that Paxson’s coaching search is taking so long since he knew that he’d be replacing [name redacted] since January!
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Right. What if he's WORSE than Boylan at lineups or mid-game decisions?
What if he’s crazier than Doug Collins? What if he says he likes to develop players but really has no idea how to, you know, teach? Is there anyone that says he can teach someone individual skills? Can anyone say he knows how to teach in-game mistakes?
This team needs a teacher more than anything else. I’m much less concerned about pace factor and efficiencies than teaching players how to play basketball.
Didn't you mean to write
What if he’s WORSE than [name redacted] at lineups or mid-game decisions?
Come on, I’m trying to get this off the ground! :)
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I have a hard time imagining how things could be worse.
Unless he secretly plans to start Aaron Gray and play Larry Hughes 40 minutes a night? Or transform Tyrus into a shooting guard? I have to believe Pax discussed things enough to believe he won’t do that.
As for mid-game decisions, I literally can’t imagine anything worse than last season.
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
Any guesses on Del Negro's staff?
I am guessing:
Pete Myers
Jud Buchler
Bobby Hanson
Bryce Drew
Nope
Paxdorph loves there scrappy white guys too much.
Adams scrapped it out with Noah!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
evidence of Paxson's plan
no information, little debate.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe this is Paxson's parting gift???
Paxson might have had enough with Reinsdorf, especially after the last 2 months, and hired the guy that would both coach and be the GM to pick Rose or Beasley, but Paxson wouldn’t care who they picked because he was FREE…..FREEE…..FREEEE AT LASSTTT!!!!
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 9, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions
My attitude was simply...
...anyone but Flip. So it could have been worse. Only time will tell if it could have been better and by how much. At least the jackasses on Sportscenter can call him Vinny Del Fuego again.
This season starts rocky and Paxson's gotta go
I feel this hire is a disaster. It’s all been said earlier in the thread, but no previous coaching, zero excitement he brings to the fans and players, and after all the big names in coaching available this summer we get Vinny Del Negro. I don’t want any excuses that he needs time to get adjusted once the season starts and it goes poorly. Usually, you get what you pay for.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 9, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply actions
do fans really get excited over a coach?
I mean, besides our nutty subgroup.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno...how did Knick fans feel abuot D'Antoni?
I’m gonna guess—pretty excited.
This thing could hardly be more deflating.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
only because it might make it more likely guys get traded
I think they still realize their team sucks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Until i see....
an official announcement…or a press conference with My Cousin Vinny holdin up a Bulls Jersey i wont believe this story….if he is hired i guess Pas sees somethin…. he might be good he might be terrible so im not excited bout it…..Paxson had no GM experience before he got hired and was a radio anaylst just like Vinny was so they might have a “connection”...im just sick of the SEARCH!!!!! HIRE Wayne Laravee…Hire Tom Dore…Hire Ron Harper(“I am ex-ci-ci-ci-cited to babaBE a paPart of this ORgagaganization” lol) i used to love his interviews after the games…HIRE SOMEBODY!!!!
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
Making fun of Ron Harper's speech impediment, huh?
Wow, you’re a real man.
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YEP thinks YEP is really funny
so that says a lot about his sense of humor.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
Lame… Just lame.
Please go away now.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 9, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
get the stick out guys
if you all didn’t know blogging is like the bulls coaching seach, you can’t took none of this serious.
So many things wrong with that sentence...
I just don’t know where to start.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 11, 2008 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions
VDN and chicago
It would make me a lot more comfortable if VDN wasn’t a former non athletic nba white player who seems like the scrappy type and will bring that “working class” attitude that seems to hold some magical powers in Chicago.
If they want to develop the players shouldn’t they get someone who would be more likely to get through to them (Im thinking tyrus in particular). Then again, who knows maybe VDN will form a wonderful rapport that will last for years.
I also don’t understand the comments along the lines that “it doesnt matter since the bulls wont be competing until 2011.” They were supposed to compete last year. And I expect them to be top 4 in the east next year unless they pull some crazy shit. Just because you get the number one pick doesn’t mean your all the sudden rebuilding. Develop players as you win. It’s been done before and the two things arent mutually exclusive.
The only bright side
I can see in this so far is that he might bring soem of Jimmy V’s optimism and enthusiasm…but I gotta admit, I’m not feeling it yet.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
It's not just because we get the first pick we won't contend
It’s that if we take Derrick Rose, he’s not (in my opinion) going to be ready to lead a team deep into the playoffs until his 3rd year, and he probably won’t be ready to have success deep into the playoffs until his fourth year. I see drafting Rose as taking a small step back in order to create a more favorable window a few years down the line. I think there will be a lot of disappointed people if they expect to win right away with a 20-year old rookie point guard.
Now if we take Beasley, we will surely be a top-4 team in the East next year—unless they pull some crazy shit.
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lighten up!!!!
just a joke!!!!!!!!!!....lets just Hire a coach and draft Derrick Rose
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
No No NO NO NO!
7 weeks for Vinny freakin’ Del Negro!!!! Pax is off his rocker. This is not even a “point-A-to-point-B” coaching choice, this is a “point-A1-to-point-A2” coaching choice.
This choice says, “Push the plunger, boys! We’re blowing this thing up! It’s Playoffs in 2011 or bust!”
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7 weeks? try months
How long as it been since Skiles got fired and Boylan took over? That’s the moment when the coaching search should have started. This is beyond ridiculous.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 9, 2008 1:51 PM CDT reply actions
They took all this time, yet couldn't wait
a couple lousy weeks to interview with Thibodeau?? I am so sick of this shit. Tired of making excuses for this organization. It’s been fuck up and fuck up in the coaching search.
... of Pax's non-plan didn't you understand?
I was aware it sucked from the start, but it’s really old news.
exactly.
Not waiting for the finals to end, and failing to interview the most qualified guy (Flip), just shows there was no real plan.
Hell, they still maintain they were surprised that D’Antoni could become available.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
What's up, Pax? Is prom next week?
You’re on, Matt. All this business about patience an now all of sudden it’s Casey & VDN at the wire? What wire? Why the sudden turn about to make a decision now? I can’t imagine what it could be. It can’t/shouldn’t be public pressure. Pax & Reinsdorf have been ignoring public pressure to hire a coach, reiterating that there is no “timetable”. If that’s true, and this was going to be open ended, why make decision before you’ve kicked the tires on every car in the lot?
I really just don’t get this, and I’m quite underwhelmed.
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Let's be fair here
Kerr didn’t care for Flip either, and Fliip would arguably be an even better fit in Phoenix than in Chicago. I guess there’s just not much of a market for coaches who are perennial playoff losers and don’t have the respect of the players they coach. It’s arguable if Flip is even a Point B coach.
by messwiththebull on Jun 9, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
he isn't
but to gripe that Flip wasn’t interviewed because he is the “most qualified” isn’t fair. Obviously Joe D didn’t care much for Flip either. It must say something when you’ve been to 3 straight conference finals but nobody wants to interview you
'nobody'
Kerr and Paxson.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
and I have the gripe
moreso because Paxson interviewed nearly everyone else, and that this whole thing was supposedly predicated on an open mind.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
we might fail to realize...
but at the end of the day Jerry Reinsday has the final say on everything so I think no i know its all about the MONEY…u cant put the blame squarely on paxsons shoulders
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
wait a sec
You mean it’s a business? I thought the Bulls were a a strictly non-profit public service all these years.
So from this I can surmize
that the additional revenues expected from hiring a better coach can be expected to be less than the difference between that coach’s salary and VD’s salary.
CHA-CHING!
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
It could be worse
It could have been Vinnie Delpino.
Wonder what Doug Collins is thinking right now...
“HAHAHA…SUCKER!!”
or
“Good luck getting 6 rings with this guy!!!”
or
“Might as well have been Marv Albert or Kevin Harlan!!”
or
“I bet I will be making more at TNT than this guy!”
or,
like most of us,
“WHAT??? What the hell are they thinking?”
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 9, 2008 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
he's probably weeping joy
that his best friend Jerry Reinsdorf can hire a coach and put this tumultuous experience behind him…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He's probably thinking
“You know when I coached Michael Jordan and made a career of announcing by saying I coached Michael Jordan, I realized that in fact I don’t coach Michael Jordan anymore.”
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Why couldn't we have just made the guy an assistant?
And hired a real coach?
How much can go around?
Seeing that we had a 1.7% chance of getting the 1st pick, I think it’s unlikely that Vinny Del Negro truly swept Pax and Reinsdort off their feet because of his natural coaching abilities, and likely that they hired because he was cheap.
I am studying to be an actuary, and I was just wondering, what’s the probability of landing the number 1 pick and hiring the next great coach in the same summer?
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 9, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
Especially considering D'Antoni was wanting the job before the lottery
And how cheap is Del Negro? Guy was assistant GM of the Suns, and director of player personnel, not exactly minimum wage jobs.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
vinny del negro?
Why we just couldnt sign flip losing ass at least we know he can win in the regular season considering the bulls didnt even make the playoffs last year why hire vinny d
"Please can I wear a Headband" said Kirk Hinrich
Independent, yes, but they can be linked
simply by multiplying the two probabilities together. The only tricky part would be coming to an agreement on what constitutes a "great coach." Once you decide that, it’s just a math problem.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
dont completely agree with this
“that the additional revenues expected from hiring a better coach can be expected to be less than the difference between that coach’s salary and VD’s salary. by Sporta2”.........................so u are tellin me that Doug Collins/Avery Johnson/D’Antoni would’ve helped the Bulls sell more tickets??? when the games were sold out with JIM BOYLAN as the coach…they would’ve sold out with me as the head coach…the bulls are cheap bottom line
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Good to see...
that “BAB’s Finest” are alert today!
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
Oh, I know...
and I appreciate the effort and the results. I’m simply amazed how he is omniscient of all that occurs in the BaB-verse.
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
Do you think the Bulls would have sold out
this year with Boylan as coach?
Would they make the playoffs?
If they can sell out going 15-67
Then sure why not.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
The #1 pick would have guaranteed another year of sell-outs--
even with Boylan.
But (to get technical) that’d be a non-existential conditional, and therefore untestable (as opposed to our friend’s actuarial question above).
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
Why VDN impressed the Bulls management...
Reinsdorf gave the thumbs up because he would come cheap
Pax saw this as his 1st class ticket out of Chicago
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 9, 2008 2:31 PM CDT reply actions
Yea, true..
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 9, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I just want to know
what Del Negro could’ve said in the last 72 hours that blew Pax away soooooo much he just HAD to make an offer…strange.
Is the Italian coach of the Moscow team back in play now???
“Del Negro also logged three seasons in the Italian league “
Because otherwise, this makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER, except maybe Pax and Reinsdorf want a cheap subpar former backup point guard to coach Rose?
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 9, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions
yeah, maybe we need to start tallying the 'Rein$dorf' comments
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
VNG is more qualified to be Pax's replacement as GM
than head coach…so it would make sense to bump VNG to GM or AGM if Pax wants to leave sometime in the next 3 years.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 9, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
VNG = Vinny Nel Greco??
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
sorry, brainfart: V D N
Does Pax even have an AGM right now? Do the other teams typically have one (besides Phoenix)
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 9, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Paxson loved his Del Negro's hair???
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 9, 2008 2:34 PM CDT reply actions
he's never had a history of making Ben Gordon a 6th man...
or limiting minutes to Tyrus Thomas…
or documented evidence of saying good things about Larry Hughes…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Also VDN is a cool abbreviation
Del Negro’s highest career PER was lower than Gordon’s this season.
So in essence we have Kirk Hinrich as player….and coach.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the point
If he spent more time on the bench – that count as coaching experience for Pax
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 9, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
This is probably the worst Paxson blunder yet
Balking on trades was legit. But, not waiting till the Finals were over so you could interview Thibodeau? I mean…..the guy SCREAMS Paxson soulmate. Just talking to him over a frappuccino would have satisfied me.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
I think I read the flag on Thibodeau was...
that just this year he had become a head coach candidate because of the Celtics’ success and had the luxury of having KG. However, it seemed like his teams always were in the top 10 defensively.
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 9, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
They were in the top 5
He was an assistant for NY and Houston when they were top defensive teams. And you don’t become a shut down defensive team just because of one good player.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
thinking bout it
...we DONT need defense, im sure all these players still rember skiles defense 101 – which wasnt bad…however; if Spurs Scrub Del Negroe is somehow a offensive wizard (which I doubt, but Ill give the Bulls MGT the benefit of the doubt)...then Ill play along with this.
1 Pick Baby!
its sad to say but...
yeah they would’ve prolly sold out every single game….they sold out wit Tim Floyd and Bill Cartwright at coach and they were REALLY BAD back then….all im sayin is coaches dont sell tickets players do…and if your in chicago you will sell tickets if they are bad anyway cuz we are die hard fans
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
Maybe this is all Jerry West's fault
Guard. White Guy. Successful at the Management level. He was the gateway drug leading to Paxson, Kerr, and our newest VDN who jumps from Kerr’s assistant to Paxson’s new coach. The Kerr-Paxson angle is an interesting one here
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 9, 2008 2:46 PM CDT reply actions
given our options
del negro is an alright choice…i’ve got no qualms
Squandered goodwill
This is probably the only thing the team could have done to kill the excitement over getting the first pick. Also, I bet my pal $5 that Marc Price was going to get at least a courtesy interview here, so I guess I lose twice today.
On the other hand,
This gets the surprise coaching hire out of the way pre-draft, so maybe the draft itself will bring back some positive buzz?
We’re not going to know how this goes until the season starts anyway, and I’m ready to get on with draft talk. It would be nice if the guys coming in to work out got more than a footnote at the end of another coaching story, even if they are candidates for the second round pick.
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
Ooo! Ooo!
We can analyze and pay attention to Summer League games again. What about Rose, Thomas, Noah AND Del Negro in Orlando? Oh boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't wait for Thomas to hit 1000 jumpers
Against the likes of Gerald Green and Javaris Crittendon.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Del Negro won't be at Summer League
One of his assistants will be running the show there.
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The most depressing thing is
The Bulls clearly see next year as a another rebuilding season, and therefore are all for hiring an extremely raw head coaching candidate from the Suns organization. It’s too bad because I saw next year as the start of something special. Of course, the Bulls could continue on their downward spiral and draft Beasley over Rose. That would make a perfect shit topping to the cake.
This is a conspiracy to get Red Kerr and Stacey King fired!
...for mispronouncing the new coach’s last name.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 9, 2008 2:53 PM CDT reply actions
Red Kerr is already out
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Red still has a job on the halftime show
How many times can he say Vinney Del (nee*grow) and keep his job?
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 9, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
from the sun-times
here.
Some close to the Suns say Del Negro was as upset as anyone at how D’Antoni coached last season and was critical that D’Antoni played an eight-man rotation and did not develop the younger players Del Negro had helped add to the roster as first a scout and then assistant GM.
i meant to add
so maybe it’s not so bad??
on the other hand, it’s not like their bench was that great. and they sold most of their draft picks. but maybe… maybe that could be ok?
theyre bench was pretty thin
but looking back at the condition of grant hill in the playoffs, they could have used a few more minutes from skinner and dj strawberry. those guys were used frequently in the first half of the season and forgotten during the final stretch.
That sounds nice
Although I wonder how critical he is of the management he was a part of that decided it was ok to let Joe Johnson walk away, but smart to sign Marcus Banks to a bad contract.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
read the simmons post from a while ago
that had more to do with sarver…not banks, that was just a trainwreck
Or maybe Boris Diaw...
He pretty much took a back seat when Amare moved to PF and Shaq came in at center. Just a thought.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 9, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That's moreso because Diaw can't co-exist with Amare
He had a bad season last year as well, and it’s because Diaw just isn’t comfortable playing with Amare. Plus, he’s pretty passive to always be a PF/C.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right...
I realized after I posted that Diaw actually moved to the bench as soon as Amare came back full time (even when they had undersized Marion at PF).
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 9, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah it's just an indictment of Diaw
If VDN is committed to developing a legit roster rotation with young players, well this was the perfect team for him. I guess I can see why Pax might have been intrigued by him.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
It all makes sense now.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 9, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you mean
everyone’s not gonna get behind my Nocioni for Diaw trade idea?
The public wants what the public gets....
I loved Diaw in his break out year.
He became one of my favorite players. If he didn’t make 1.5 million more per year than Noc, I’d seriously consider it.
formerly sbulls
But Reinsdorf could justify
with money saved on the new coach.
The public wants what the public gets....
I think Strawberry
He played some good defense for them during the regular season, but I don’t think it mattered, since most coaches aren’t fond of playing rookies in the playoffs.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Assistant GM scouts players
Falls in love with them
Can’t understand why the coach won’t play them
More often than not it’s because they suck.
ha!
Maybe after Paxson’s fired, he’ll tell everyone how he always wanted Tyrus to play, but you can’t tell [name redacted] what to do.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe when he's fired
He’ll go on the record as saying he spent all day watching John Paxson mixtapes on YouTube, and making collages of his favorite hustle players.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
interesting
I wonder what the real dynamic was between Kerr/D’Antoni/DelNegro. This suggests that Del Negro was more aligned with Kerr…but if that was the case, why didn’t he even get considered for the Suns head coaching job? (likely because the team is paying $20m to Shaquille O’Neal…)
Also, what’s the better side of that argument anyway? A rejection of D’Antoni’s philosophies could just be another way of saying they like slower, overcoached basketball. If it’s merely critical of not developing the younger players then that’s a plus.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
doesn't say
anything about him rejecting the fast pace. i just pulled out what i thought could be the most important part of his potential coaching philosophy.
whoops. posted it before could finish my thought.
kerr’s only move is to rebuild. i dont know if its a rejection of dantoni but more of an assessment of the future of the roster. Nash, shaq, hill are all going to retire soon enough. It would be hard to use dantoni’s system right away without a great ball handler.
I don't think he is rejecting the philosophy
Merely rejecting the stubbornness D’Antoni had with his rotation. For a team that plays such a fast pace, it would be nice to develop the bench in order to give some of the starters rest. And considering the team has looked to be pooped in the playoffs several times, it’s a pretty damning indictment. And maybe Del Negro was more Kerr than Mike D….but it’s possible he wasn’t considered because I wonder how much respect he would have gotten from a team so loyal to D’Antoni, and also the fact that Shaq isn’t particularly fond of coaches who aren’t enshrined in the HOF.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
There do seem to be alot of Suns/Bulls connections this offseason.
All that’s left now would be to trade Shaq for Hughes straight up.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 9, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope you are not serious about Shaq...
him and Aaron Gray are the same player now let the “Big Cactus” stay where hes at
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
by YEP on Jun 9, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
shaq is wack
we could trade shaq for hughes straight up, then trade him back for a book of matches and 50 dollars in food coupons.
Why is that even remotely funny?
Start checking yourself before you post buddy, the Ron Harper stutter comment was bad enough.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 9, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
whateva..i've seen worse on here....people cant take a joke??
u must stutter and be Italian if so i didnt mean to offend buddy…take it EZ
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
by YEP on Jun 9, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
people can't take txt abbreviations
far more offensive than the ‘jokes’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
It would also help...
If your jokes were funny. Just saying….
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
this guy is far worse than bullshooter....
far worse.
...just sayin’
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
who?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
YEP (Sorry, thought it was obvious).
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I meant to deride the other guy
(which I thought was also obvious)
I can’t really legislate stupidity. If you have a problem, email me, or flag. Don’t do it the way you did.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry. This guy is just getting out of hand.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Thanks for providing the hilarity and actually being cool with it now that it's on display.
That quote was in instant classic; it needed to be displayed to all of BaB.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I want NBA Observer
to follow his Malcom Gladwell binge with some Cormac McCarthy. Imagine Vinny del Negro’s haunted face described in that prose!
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
lol...he did play like an italian version of kirk hinrich
now i hope he coaches like and italian version of avery johnson
He's completely unqualified
Tim Floyd was more qualified to be an NBA head coach than Del Negro is. What a joke. Maybe he’ll be a good coach someday, but it’ll almost certainly be when he’s on his second or third job, after he learns from all the mistakes he makes here. What a fucking bush-league franchise.
The guys on PTI just said they liked the hire...
because if you wanted D’Antoni and couldn’t get him, the next best thing is to get someone close to him. Tony also said he knows Del Negro well and he really likes him.
My question is, how close was Del Negro to D’Antoni in Phoenix? How close is an assistant GM to the head coach?
D'Antoni at a fifth of the cost.
(or whatever it’ll turn out to be)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Or is it Steve Kerr at a fifth of the cost?
As he wasn’t really considered by Kerr for the Suns job maybe its a sign he does want to play up tempo. But the fact that he was close with Kerr in the management level might lend to the argument he’d agree with Kerr’s trade for Shaq and want to follow that path here in Chicago.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 9, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
And perhaps he strongly disagreed with trading for Shaq...
They say someone in the GM office in Phoenix did. So maybe that explains why he wasn’t considered for the Suns coaching job- coaching the big stiff he wasn’t in favor of?
5 bits of information I found intersting about Del Negro:
- He was born in Springfield, MA- the home of basketball
- He played for Jim Valvano at NC State
- He played in Italy on the same team as Tony Kukoc
- His father played for the legendary Adolph Rupp at UK
- He was upset that D’Antoni played a short rotation and refused to develop the younger players on the Suns roster (many of whom he scouted)
None of these have anything to do with assessing his potential coaching abilities. Then again, since he’s never coached before, what does?!
Kinda surprised and expected at the same time
I’m not gonna judge this move until I hear some of his philosophies.
Maybe what sold Paxson was VDN telling him how he plans to use the youngsters like Tyrus, Noah, Thabo and hopefully Rose.
And he’s seen the Suns style firsthand so I’m expecting an up tempo style similar to the Suns.
Just don’t know what to expect defensively.
Maybe they can hire Tom Thibodeau as his assistant?!
I wish
i agree it's too early to tell...
but there’s nothing concrete we can rail on him for…except that he has no head coaching experience.
I don’t mind that though. He’s not set in his ways yet, and he should have some solid assistants to make it work nicely.
i doubt thibodeau's going to be leaving to be an assistant somewhere else
after the year he’s had with the Boston defense.
I only see him leaving there for a head coaching job.
hopefully he brings the suns offense.....
with DEFENSE…this could be a good move but who knows???
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
yeah that might be reaching.
i’d be content with half of the suns offense, and some added defense.
It’ll be interesting to see his coaching philosophy, along with the staff he brings in.
Do today's players respect a 'Del Negro' coaching?
I keep on reading that it’s so beneficial to bring in a former player to coach (even if he has no previous experience). Is this as big an advantage today? I’m not terribly sure that today’s players relate to a Del Negro too much.
Another question…Kerr liked Del Negro. He like Pheonix’s former playing style enough to become their GM. Yet…he didn’t seem to give Del Negro as their coach too much thought. I don’t know if he was only going to hire a coach with experience, but that is curious when looking at Del Negro. Also – Kerr seems to be ‘throwing the baby out with the bathwater’ over in Pheonix. Too bad we might never watch the ‘7 seconds or less offense’ again.
It's hard to still play the 7 seconds offense when it takes Shaq
10 seconds to cross halfcourt. Coaching Shaq without having 3-4 championship rings on your resume will be hard enough for Terry Porter. And Kerr’s relationship was with Sarver the owner more than anything to do with great affinity for D’Antoni’s pace.
formerly sbulls
who cares what Steve Kerr thinks...
he is the one who traded for Shaq remember…he doesnt have much credibility
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
by YEP on Jun 9, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
D'Antoni lobbied hard for that trade
So he didn’t have much either.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahaha that is right
I can already see Noah putting his finger on Del Negro’s face and yelling a lot of unkind things to him
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 9, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Can you guys please keep it down in here?
I’m trying to enjoy how much this hire is resonating with me.
by Bulldozer on Jun 9, 2008 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We really shouldn't be too surprised at the hire
Pax has made it clear all along that what he’s looking for in this hire is a basketball soulmate of sorts, with experience not being much of a factor. Therefore, that he hires someone completely out of the blue with absolutely no coaching experience whatsoever really shouldn’t be a surprise – it’s completely in line with Pax’s description of what he was looking for.
Best wishes to Pax and VDN … I hope they have plenty of kids together.
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Plenty of kids....
Thabo, Tyrus, Joakim, Aaron, and another on the way (maybe two!)
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
I'll judge it if the players respond well to him
Bulls may not win more than 42 games next year, but if the players are showing signs of improvement, then I’ll take it.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
VDN must be coming cheap
Suns gave Porter a 3 year/7 million contract. Considering he was an assistant and had prior head coaching experience, I would imagine VDN would be getting less than that.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
he's paying Reinsdorf
for the exposure.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Colangelo radio interview
On my ride home I was listening to ESPN 1000. They got Jerry Colangelo on for a brief interview, and most of what he said was useless. He DID however suggest a thing or two about what we’re likely to see philosophy-wise from VDN. He said he’ll push the ball considerably, but that he is a very adaptive individual who will mold his game plan to his players. He also muttered something about defense but I lost the signal going under a bridge :(
Now obviously with no coaching experience these statements could be a bunch of garbage, but it’s somewhat reassuring and would certainly seem in line with what Paxson seems to have been searching for all this time. Simply being a developmental guy wouldn’t seem to put VDN ahead of Casey, as we have discussed his developmental successes somewhere on this site. I think there must have been something from a philosophical standpoint-offensively, defensively?—that separated VDN. Like I said, it could all be garbage, but I’m taking some solace in it until October.
I heard Roy Hibbert's workout is scheduled for next week.
For the first time since I heard about this, I'm actually liking it.
But I’m sure that feeling will go away the next time I read “first-time coach.”
Godfather Colangelo
can be very calming, very reassuring. Pretty sure he’s just backing up his guy here…..BTW, Sarver made it a point of saying they wouldn’t hire from within a month ago when D’Antoni left. So VDN had no chance there.
P.S.: If you let Colangelo buy the Cubs, you’ll never regret it.
The public wants what the public gets....
Idk
if this has been said( to lazy to read every post) but Pax as been in love with Thibs and has had to wait all playoffs to interview him ,and now that the Celtics are just 2 wins away from the season being over( i know it can still go another week or so) he goes and hires some no name with no coaching experience. wtf i mean im not doubting the guy rite off the bat , but this couldnt wait till the finals were over. Im sure no one is lining up to hire del negro.
I'm too lazy to read your post...
because your to lazy to type full words. Are you using a cell phone?
Step 1 - Win lottery. Step 2 - Hire a coach. Step 3 - Win.
Hey Lt.Dan - "your" should be "you're".
Sweet irony, given the context of your message.
srry
i type the way i type to my friends on the comp. If u have a prob dont read my comments.ttyl
LOL nice DUDE!!!!111
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Another dumb OT comment
But your signature is probably the 2nd greatest sentence ever uttered on this blog
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
And what was the first?
Because I really can’t see anything being more unintentionally hilarious than mine.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
RogersPark Kris' signature
Though I don’t think he has it up anymore.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
This
could be okay. And if Del Negro was opposed to the Shaq trade, maybe he can help keep Pax from doing something stupid.
The public wants what the public gets....
Maybe
Vinny The Black will bring over some of the Phoenix coaching and training staff with him. Phil Weber is one of David Thorpe’s favorite guys(for what its worth, he mentioned him in several of his chats), and Thorpe regarded him as a great player developer. And maybe someone that comes over from their training staff can find a way to remove the giant fork from Larry Hughes back. They got Shaq healthy, so anythings possible.
"Me like to shoot much" - Andres Nocioni
If only taking the fork out was that simple
At this point I think we’re past health issues. I’d actually recommend the opposite, jamming the fork so far in he’s forced to retire. Or at least be the next contestant in John Pasxon’s Tim Thomas Buyout Game where you win, by not even playing the game!
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 9, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea
bet I doubt any of the training staff or Weber are coming along, nice as it would be.
The public wants what the public gets....
Is he not going w/ D'Antoni to New York?
If they can get Phil Weber to come, that would be awesome. In my humble opinion.
I'm pretty sure that both Dan D and Weber are going to NY
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
yup.
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2008/6/7/547918/the-porter-era-starts-now
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, the Weber pipedream is officially dead.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
We can't even get D'Antoni's brother
Alvin Gentry might be available. He’d be a more credible assistant than Myers and Adams combined.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I can get behind Del Negro
If he turns out half as good as Pax says he is, Pax will look like God. If Del Negro tanks it, we get another high draft pick and BullsNation will storm the Berto because Pax did not hire Thibodeau
My 2 cents
I been patiently waiting this hire like everyone else here and was hoping for a miracle finish of sorts because once we lost Mike to NY nothing good was left that was as good… I think Pax took a gamble on someone who might be… Its not a high might, but it has a chance. He doesnt have any of the negative problems all the other options have. Maybe he is going to develop the young guys, play fast and focus on defense and be ideal… He hasnt proved he cant do it, and he hasnt proved he wont do it, so we might get lucky on this. I am more concerned about the roster we are going to put out there. I dont see how an in balanced lineup like ours can compete for championships as good as the other teams are now and what others are willing to do. We have to be willing to do something big and make some changes to really put us up on the scale to win a title soon.
by NamingRightsOnSale on Jun 9, 2008 9:04 PM CDT reply actions
Not that simple as
he’ll be great or he’ll suck. I’m sure John Hollinger could come with an equation but I don’t hiring a guy with no previous expierence is 50/50 split. And while I’m okay with Bulls “swinging for the fences” as you basically put it, if Vinny Del Negro is our swing…oh boy we’re in trouble. When we are at the point of hiring someone no with expierence I don’t see how we don’t look at college coaches, ya know, people who have worked with young players and had success, regardless of the trend of college coaching failure in the pros
by The90sBullsRevival on Jun 9, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions
Best of both perspectives
Del Negro knows the value of player development from his time as an asst. GM and I would bet his communication of this dual perspective was received well by Pax. Del Negro presumably won’t condemn pups like Ty and Thabo as Skiles and Boylan did, and by doing so, arguably accelerated the Bulls drop-off because of a failure to add help organically in the form of developing draft picks.
I’d have to think this solidifies D. Rose as the #1 but you never know if Del Negro seems some Amare in B-Easy. For whatever reason, I have this lingering fear the Bulls will do something else with the #1 (B-Easy or trade it) than select D. Rose. The Bulls very rarely seem to do what the consensus thinks they should.
I don't know if it's consensus to take Rose
I mean all the fans want him, and the ESPN mock drafts have him going to Chicago merely because they are deciphering Paxson’s cryptic talk of leadership to be an indication he wants Rose.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 9, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
The bright side of this...
Paxson continues to prove to you guys that nothing good will ever come from him in regards to basketball management. If something can be screwed up, Paxson finds it easy to do, even without J.R’s help or limits. Next screw up: June 26.
This will be a failed experiement, and I refuse to suppose that it might just work because VDN has no coaching past! Because it won’t. Too much and too many average morons running and coaching the organization, they can’t compete on this stage.
The bright side.. VDN will get 4 years @4+ million, and will be fired within 2 years together with Paxson, and J.R. will blame it all on thoses two morons and send them packing just as he did Jerry Krause.
what would we do without exult's take...
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 9, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Vinny D
wait and see
i’ll be okay with it if they take Rose and Vinny runs a faster more Euro style to emphasize our youth and athleticism.
we’re not winning any titles in the next two years anyway, so youth development should be the number one thing he brings to the table.
after witnessing the no TT PT down the stretch debacle last year (even with Gooden sitting out) letting the kids play better be the priority here.
Baby Bulls II starring Derrick Rose and Vinny Del Negro for a couple years.
Learn It. Love It.
by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 9, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Thats what I'm sayin'!
Let’s not judge the guy until they start playing real games.
We don’t know much about him, but I agree with the up-tempo Euro style theory. I’m all for player development, I swear if we give up on Tyrus he will blow up somewhere else and we will be here, crying yet again.
Maybe Vinny won't be the head coach
Pax and Jerry did say that the next coach was gonna groom a successor. Maybe it’ll be Thibodeau. Or if it’s the other way around, we’d be left in suspense on just whether if Vinny is a train wreck or a genuinely smart move by Pax
the team made boylan look bad, but tim floyd was terrible. what was the record the whole time he was here, like 40-185
the team
was underperforming, but there were many, many things that boylan could have done that would have made him not look as bad as he did. half the time he didn’t even look like he was trying to coach. and then puts 4 guards out there. that’s not the team making him look bad.
tim floyd really was awful. i don’t think anyone could be as bad as he was. i can’t believe he actually got a second chance with the hornets. even he admits he sucked.
I know....
Boylan and Floyd were bad coaches but we have no evidence that VDN will be better or worse we just have to wait and see
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
I swear, you are all the same people, aren't you.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
That's discrimination
Reported to um…you.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
YEP, FUTURE12, belize
the LOL club.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
More pieces of the Puzzle on what was going on in Paxson's mind
1st hypothesis – Del Negro actually played with Doc Rivers on the Spurs. So maybe he thought if Doc can get it done, Del might as well do it too
2nd hypothesis – Del Negro played with Will Perdue who for some unknown reason is heard and respected in the Bulls organization
3rd hypothesis – Del Negro was underachiever guard who every now and then could sink a 3 pointer and nothing more than that – Just like paxson.
4th hypothesis – Del Negro has no previous experience so he will have no idea of what is he doing – just like paxson – meaning no fingers pointed
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