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Dwane Casey is the new front-runner?

[From the FanPosts. Dwane Casey deserves a second chance somewhere, he 'coached up' some pretty bad Minnesota teams. But Flip coached them up even more. Still...I wouldn't be entirely against this, there isn't enough info on Casey to judge him either way, and he's certainly qualified. -ed]

Jeff Goodman at FoxSports:

Doug Collins may no longer be the front-runner for the Chicago Bulls job.

According to a source close to the situation, former Minnesota Timberwolves coach Dwane Casey's interview with Bulls general manager John Paxson on Wednesday went extremely well, and he has emerged as a legitimate candidate.

All I have to say is "wow". I haven't been part of the Flip love fest around here, but I have to say that if they're gonna pick a former Minnesota ouster, they might as well go with Flip. This is interesting. The merry-go-round continues...

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Don't forget Avery

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Jun 5, 2008 9:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oops

I did forget about Avery.

by hscs on Jun 5, 2008 9:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not at ABC ('anybody but Collins') yet

but I can’t say I mind giving Casey a second chance over giving Collins a fourth.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 5, 2008 9:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about

Pete or Myers ?

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jun 6, 2008 2:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have a terrible memory

or I’m subconsciously blocking out some of these guys.

by hscs on Jun 6, 2008 7:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The rumor mill

This is worst than high school! This has got to be the weirdest coaching hire i’ve ever witnessed. On the plus side, I have been impressed by Paxson’s ability to stay the course, his course, and not waver from what he has been saying all along, that he is not hiring someone until he is positive they are the right fit for this specific job. The huge neagtive now is that the bulls are just looking like amateurs, many would say that has been the case for the past 4 weeks.
at the end of the day, however, i am still with pax, and think he should hire who he feels is right for the job, and not make a decision due to outsdie influences. and remember, he may ultimately want rambis or shaw, fingers crossed for shaw, but his hands are tied since they are in the finals, and won’t be done for a couple of weeks. and if that is the case, what is pax supposed to do? doesnt anybody else feel thats probably whats going on?

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on Jun 5, 2008 9:25 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

such a debacle

Jim Boylan is our coach for 6 months and we go into the off-season with NO PLAN?

would be a fireable offense in any other business organization… but this DA BULLS we’re talking about.

by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 5, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, because every other business has a period of 4 months to conduct a search for a middle manager

during which time that middle management position is not really needed. It’s annoying the search has gone on this long, but if the Bulls avoid hiring Avery or Doug, it’ll be worth it.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Jun 5, 2008 9:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

when i think "middle management"

i’m thinking “regional sales manager.”

then again, i prolly don’t have the business acumen as you clowns from Kellogg.

by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 5, 2008 9:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doesn't really matter the level of management

The point is, a head coach is not really needed from the end of the season until training camp.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Jun 5, 2008 9:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

okay i give up

the longer a team goes without a coach, the better.

by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 5, 2008 9:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"not really needed"

since when? True, his task list is lighter and yeah, he deserves (and goes on) vacation too. But I wouldn’t go that far to say he isn’t needed.

by NormVanBeer on Jun 5, 2008 9:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would it be nice to have a coach there to give his perspective on personnel moves to Paxson?

Depending on who the coach is, yes. Paxson’s already indicated no matter who the coach is, he’ll be taking less input on personnel than he did from Skiles. The coach’s role, though, during the offseason is, and should be, rather limited. As such, having the position filled is not truly a need but only a nice to have.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Jun 5, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To quote Bill Parcells...

“If they want us to bake the cake they oughtta let us buy some of the ingredients.”

I’m sorry, but to say that a head coach isn’t needed until training camp is just plain wrong.

Unless Paxson will be coaching the Bulls himself next year (in the huddle during timeouts, drawing up plays, running practice, reviewing film, giving motivational speeches, etc.) then he should be trusting his head coach (whoever that is) to have MASSIVE input on personel decisions. Do you think Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, and Greg Poppavich have “limited” input in personel decisions?

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 5, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright, maybe not Riley...

He was the only person making decisions when he was coach.

But Pop and Phil? The only two active head coaches with multiple championships.

Or how about Jerry Sloan? Could you imagine if he was told that he wasn’t needed until training camp? Laughable.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 5, 2008 2:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jerry Sloan's

at his farm in downstate Illinois waiting for training camp to start

by hlac on Jun 6, 2008 12:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you're going to post a quote, at least take the 5 seconds required for a Google search and get it right

Parcells said

“If they want you to cook the dinner, at least they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries.”

By all means, if the coach is in place, he should have input. I stated that before. I just don’t see it as a crisis situation for the organization if they don’t have a coach in place before the draft or even before the free agency period begins.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Jun 5, 2008 2:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You really want to argue about what you said?

Take your own advice and search about five or six lines up. Here, I’ll do it for you… “a head coach is not really needed from the end of the season until training camp.” Honestly, you just shouldn’t comment on this topic ever again.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 5, 2008 2:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously, take my words for what they are

I am being quite literal when I use “needed,” as in deemed absolutely necessary. A coach is not absolutely necessary to the actions that occur during the off season. I clarified that before

The coach’s role, though, during the offseason is, and should be, rather limited. As such, having the position filled is not truly a need but only a nice to have.

Sorry, I don’t buy Parcells bullshit about letting the cook buy the groceries because the cook may only be concerned about that shift while the manager is concerned with the bigger picture.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Jun 5, 2008 2:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I didn't really want to touch that...

But with that logic do we really “need” a GM either?

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 5, 2008 3:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was certainly a poor choice of words for purposes of clarification

I don’t see how the logic of a coach not being necessary to the time period dominated by the GM leads to the GM not even being necessary. You seem to be taking my position to a ridiculous extreme. All that I’ve stated, repeatedly, is that personnel decisions should be left to the GM. The coach is ancillary to the offseason, and as such, that grants Paxson the leeway of taking much longer to fill the open position than an executive in just about any other business organization. It’s obnoxious it’s taken so long and he hasn’t done a good job of portraying he has a clue as to what he is even looking for. Still, it was pointless to compare this to any other type of business organization, as Orlando originally did, because the circumstances are far different.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Jun 5, 2008 3:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The head coach is one of the most important people in the organization...

He directly deals with the talent every day of the season.

It might be more than “nice” to get his input before they surround him with said talent, in fact I would say it is “absolutely necessary”.

As per my GM comment, I was saying that if you truly believe that a head coach isn’t needed just because Pax has the luxury to wait (IE: this is “Pax Time” I guess), then it also follows that Reinsdorf could fire Pax tonight and send his own pick up to David Stern on draft day. There is no rule that you have a GM in order to draft a player or make a trade, it’s just a really smart business practice… Like having a head coach involved in the long term direction of the team.

Sure Pax could wait until training camp to hire a coach if he wants, but that would in fact be stupid.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 5, 2008 4:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we are talking about football..

I agree having a coach in place is vitally important through most of the offseason as well as the season itself.

But this is not football. There are no large playbooks, schemes and OTAs. This is basketball and there is not much coach player interaction until training camp.

There is two rounds in a basketball draft not 7. There are not 52 players to find.

Going an extra 3-4 weeks without a coach is not as important nor is the coaches input on a two player draft.

Take the best candidate for this time and lets move forward.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Jun 5, 2008 11:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would say that it's even more important in basketball actually...

You have less players on your roster, and it’s not as easy to dive deep on the bench and find lightning in a bottle.

Also, I don’t think the Bulls are just going to draft a player or two and be done. I think (as do many others) that they’ll likely make some major trades regardless of who they pick.

Lastly, and this is really all I want to say about this topic really, look what happened when Pax hired Boylan. He was a coach who had ZERO thoughts about his long term future with the club. He knew he was a placeholder coach, or at least acted like it. He didn’t develop ANY young talent, and he left the team with more questions than answers as we approach next season.

Perhaps a coach that actually feels like he has input in the personnel choices (which is how MANY clubs do it btw) wouldn’t be so quick to sit the young guys when things aren’t working out. I wouldn’t play some guy that Pax picked just because he told me to, and neither did Boylan. But if I had input in drafting said player, then I might feel more inclined to see him work out for the best. It’s called acountability.

Maybe I’m old fashioned, but I still hold out hope that we can get a coach who will actually take the time to teach the young players how to play. Young players that he feels responsible for drafting as much as Pax. How easy was it for Boylan to just suspend and then sit TT when he didn’t show up for practice? Now imagine if Boylan was the guy who told Pax that he thought TT was a good fit for the team. I doubt he would have given up so easily on him.

This will all be VITALLY important as we choose the next potential franchise player. A player that will be only 20 years old next year and will likely have many growing pains as a rookie in the NBA.

Or we could just get another placeholder coach and hopefully win the lottery next year too. Maybe THAT is Pax’s plan all along. Tyler Hansborough here we come!

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 6, 2008 1:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mark Madsen liked him

“Mad Dog” on Casey’s firing

This Seattle writer says Casey is the reason Rashard Lewis became what he is. Casey was an assistant under Nate McMillan, which I think is a very good thing.

According to Wikipedia, Casey agreed to be part of Carlisle’s Dallas staff. Carlisle’s liking him is also encouraging.

And I don’t think you can make a definite case that Flip upcoached the Wolves more than Casey. In ‘06-’07, Casey led a team of Garnett, Ricky Davis, Mark Blount, Mike James, Foye, Craig Smith, Hassell, Troy Hudson, and Jaric – basically Garnett and a bunch of career journeymen – to a 20-20 record before being fired.

So far, I like!

by YaoPau on Jun 5, 2008 9:32 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is there some reason

you left out ‘05-’06? That team had Garnett, Szczerbiak, Hassell, Davis, Banks, Blount, Hudson. They managed a rock-solid 33-49. They were 4th in a pretty horrible Northwest division that season.

Oh yeah, they were 22nd out of 30 for Pace Factor that season :)

by NormVanBeer on Jun 5, 2008 9:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, that 05-06 wolves team

was built to run

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on Jun 5, 2008 9:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so Garnett and garbage

the season before, Flip had them at 20th

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 5, 2008 9:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look at that list of players again... he didn't have much.

It was his first year, and he was inheriting a 44-win team, but without the #2 and #3 scorers. It’s awfully nitpicky to judge a coach on his first year, and 33 wins with that team in a nasty Western Conference (Houston, with a core of McGrady, Yao, Alston, and Juwon Howard won 34 games … Utah, with a core of Deron, Boozer, Okur, Kirilenko, Harpring won 41) wasn’t that bad. You’re acting like Wally World and Marcus Banks are wunderkinds.

Popovich was 17-47 in his first season with the Spurs. Larry Brown went 31-51 in his first season with the Sixers before leading them to the Finals three years later. You’re being unfair to mock Casey here.

by YaoPau on Jun 5, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but Casey also

inherited a prime KG. I’m not saying they were wunderkinds…they weren’t exactly chopped liver either.

Pop didn’t inherit Duncan. Yeah Robinson was there but he was beginning his decline as being a dominant player.

In Brown’s case, the team was already crappy before he got there (22 wins). He inherited a 2nd year Iverson who was avg 22 (only?) a game.

I’m not mocking him. As Matt already pointed out, there’s not enough information on him to draw a real decent conclusion. I just look at his first season and come to the assumption that it seemed like they should’ve had a better year. That division was pretty weak.

by NormVanBeer on Jun 5, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

despite his chest-pumpery

I wouldn’t be surprised if KG wasn’t exactly ‘prime’ when seeing his buddies Cassell and Spree cast off, and the hated WallyZ remaining.

But he did have a PER over 26, so…

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 5, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Division doesn't matter

You play each team in your conference 4 times, regardless of division. The Western Conference was as strong then as ever.

Jerry Sloan couldn’t take Deron, Boozer, Okur, Kirilenko to the playoffs that year … you can’t honestly expect a first-year head coach to have taken Garnett and a pit crew any further.

by YaoPau on Jun 5, 2008 10:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i just don't see it as you

because to me, division wins do matter. Nobody in that division finished over 44 wins in that season. With only the Nuggets making the playoffs. Division wins are where you can gain ground and have a chance to stack up some wins. They only went 6-10 against the division.

There were only three 50+ win teams in the West that season, compared to 8 this season. It was not as “strong as ever”.

by NormVanBeer on Jun 5, 2008 11:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The division is only important

when you are first. Other than that everything is done by records. They play the same teams the same amount out of times as any other team in their conference. There is no unbalanced schedule like in baseball where you see the Sox and Yankees play 19 times and outside there division 6 times.

What Yao is point out is the talent level in the west was pretty strong and the Wolves beyond Garnett were pretty crappy. Minnesota was bound to lose a lot of games… even if Jackson or Riley were at the reins.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Jun 5, 2008 11:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What an underacheiver

When you can’t win with the likes of Trenton Hassell, Mark Blount, and Troy Hudson, I guess you must be a lousy coach.

by Big D on Jun 5, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is what I got from the SBN T'Wolves blog

They made it sound like Casey got shafted, but they raised concerns regarding his work with younger players. Funny, I posted that 3 weeks ago and it’s still second under “Recent Fanposts.”

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
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by snley on Jun 5, 2008 9:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Thanks for that, McCants' minutes are a concern

Here’s a guy who averaged 14.9ppg this year while shooting a high percentage, yet Casey buried him behind Hassell and Jaric for 1.5 seasons.

At the same time though, Casey seemed pretty good about playing Foye (22.9mpg) and Craig Smith (18.7ppg), with both playing all 82 games in their first season.

According to that Seattle article I linked to at the top of this thread, Casey’s job as assistant was to develop Seattle’s young talent. McMillan inherited Rashard Lewis (22), Desmond Mason (24), Vlad Radmanovic (21), and Earl Watson (22). During his tenure they also brought in Luke Ridnour, Nick Collison, and Reggie Evans. All in all, it seems like the Casey did a pretty good job developing a bunch of mid-1st round picks. Every one of those players started somewhere in the NBA this year except for Ridnour, who backed up Watson.

by YaoPau on Jun 5, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't know about his player development back ground

That’s really reassuring.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Jun 5, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wasn't McCants injured the whole time Casey was there?

Or recovering from injuries/trying to play through them. I thought he had a bunch of knee problems which killed his production, and minutes. I might be “misremembering” though.

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by BNeL21 on Jun 5, 2008 3:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks snley - a more balanced picture than presented by chgobr below!!

I somehow missed your post – this does alter my view. Very smart to go to the TWolves SBNation site. Really interesting information. Put him on the list of possibilities. A gem may be uncovered by this arduous process. I think I’m the only one on this site a fan of “due diligence”.

by chgobr on Jun 5, 2008 5:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how is it

that none of the Chicago papers reported on this today?

All we got from KC was another gem about Reinsdorf and his stinking veto power

by NormVanBeer on Jun 5, 2008 10:28 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I get the the feeling KC's completely out of the loop

He’s been last on every story. It makes it seem like the ‘source’ he cultivated (Boylan?) is no longer with the team.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 5, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or maybe KC is the only responsible journalist

who refuses to report rumors as fact. Or maybe he is more reluctant to report on the rumors, and it waiting a lot of things out to see what is actually going to happen

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by CONOR6 on Jun 5, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah.

He’s been reporting the same shit, just ten minutes later than everyone else.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 5, 2008 12:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Journalist and responsible don't go together

Especially when you cover Chicago sports.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 5, 2008 2:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

their source is still Dr. Skiles

Casey has been mentioned in the past, but no, not this second interview. I’m not going to delve into the many relationships each of the writers have with whomever. That’s NBAO’s project.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 5, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is still going on?!

If you don’t know who should coach the team by now, turn the process over to a monkey and a dart board or a baseball cap with some crumpled up pieces of paper with names on them. Maybe they should interview former Bulls player and high school coach Ken Reeves. Carver High had some nice guard play with Salami and Hollywood, so I look for him to maximize Rose and Gordon.

If Paxson ever ends up in front of me at Baskin-Robbins (let me try the chocolate chip, hmm, maybe the mint chip, no maybe the caramel…), I will cut to the front of the line.

by Stay Chisel on Jun 5, 2008 11:26 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   2 recs

ha!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 5, 2008 11:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Johnny Pax smokes 'da crax!

...but I guess hitting a last second shot to win the NBA finals buys some leeway as GM.

by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 5, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or...

Pulling a craptastic franchise out of the bottom of the NBA into the playoffs and making several good draft choices. To the contrary hitting the winning shot didn’t buy Jordan much time in Washington.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Jun 6, 2008 12:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course, it was easy to look good following the post-dynasty mess

That’s not to say that Pax didn’t do some good things to start out, but it’s easy to look good when what came before was so bad

by Sports2 on Jun 6, 2008 5:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree

I think given the talent on the roster and the culture of this team he did a tremendous job of turning things around in a very short period of time. Thats not to say he has not made a few mistakes since then. However, any slack he is currently getting would be because of his track record not because he made a jump shot 15 years ago.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Jun 7, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is the funniest thing I've read in a long time...

Hillarious…

If Paxson ever ends up in front of me at Baskin-Robbins (let me try the chocolate chip, hmm, maybe the mint chip, no maybe the caramel…), I will cut to the front of the line.

by kidronmusic on Jun 6, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who is ready for BJ Armstrong

negotiating with Paxson and Reinsdorf on Rose’s contract?

Lucky for the three of them the rookie scale wins out, but if these three actually had to negotiate a contract for Rose it would be very interesting.

by NBA Observer on Jun 5, 2008 11:40 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tiresome.

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by 1958ChiTown on Jun 5, 2008 12:21 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I couldn't tell you the first thing about Casey

I have no idea what he’d want to do offensively or defensively.
All I know is that
1. He seems to get ok results given the talent he had to work with
2. He was the guy who was sending envelopes full of cash to recruits at UK twenty years ago.

by Sports2 on Jun 5, 2008 12:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

proactive!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 5, 2008 12:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awesome

i love a coach with ethics!

by DangerMouse on Jun 5, 2008 6:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Casey - a deer looking into headlights!

My memory is that his skills were outweighed by the task. He did not appear to have the respect of players, had no clue about rotations, did not have the team prepared to close out games. He seemed an ameteur in a pro league.

by chgobr on Jun 5, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At this point who cares

I grow weary of the prognostication and rumor-mongering, it’s not even fun anymore. Paxson basically turned what could have been the most exciting Bulls offseason in over a decade (I haven’t been this excited since the summer of 1995 about a Bulls season) into the “Due Dillgence Disaster”, basically making a mockery of the Bulls organization.

I thought Casey got a bum deal in Minnesota, and the fact that Wittman took over and promptly blew as a head coach just vindicated that Casey was doing at least a decent job of keeping KG sane and Ricky Davis from killing someone. Does that make him better than Doug, or possibly Flip? I’d go ahead and say no. Why not hire the best retread out there and acquire Flip, if all we’re doing is just looking for a retread?

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 5, 2008 2:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I had my druthers...

and assuming there’s some truth to the Doug Collins to GM rumor, I’d just as wait. Getting Paxson out of the driver’s seat is about the only outcome worth our frustration.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 5, 2008 2:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because now is when the hopes are highest for both teams

I’m a Sox fan too, but Bulls will always be my #1 team. And I assure you there are plenty of people following the Bulls. But, not everyone is as fond of the rumor-mongering and insane trade scenarios as we are.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 5, 2008 11:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Point of contention

Avery is the best retread out there…he has the best career winning percentage of any coach…ever. And he has led a team to the finals.

by Dionysus2.0 on Jun 6, 2008 11:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's only been coaching for 4 years

He’s been a full time head coach for what 4 seasons? With a roster that is led by an MVP and other highly talented players? What else was he supposed to do? People are so down on Flip, yet Avery is the same thing. Sure, he made the Finals, but I take that run with a grain of salt. The Spurs were not even close to 100% that year, and then they played the Suns with no Amare Stoudemire. They were the clear favorites to win the title, go up 2-0 up 13 in Game 3…...then everything just went to hell. No game adjustments, no calming presence from the coach, you could just see how frustrated and pissed off everyone was.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 7, 2008 12:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If people knock Flip for not making the Finals with the Pistons 3 years in a row

Shouldn’t Avery get equal, if not more flack for not making it past the 1st round last year, and for not putting up more of a fight against the Hornets this year?

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 7, 2008 12:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is long and frustrating but I will judge this process next April.

I want happy, joyous game threads reacting to wins verses our jump off the cliff ones we had this year. I took the punge too many a night last year.

by chgobr on Jun 5, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sure there is light at the end of the tunnel

But seeing how the two teams in the Finals this year got there as a result of quick-fix trades, it’s pretty annoying that Paxson has been crafting this roster for several years now, but doesn’t have much to show for it. I’m not saying I expected a title run (maybe we were all delusional this year?), but some aggressiveness by Pax is always welcome. Or, just take the ND job and let us run the Bulls so we can trade for T-Mac, Shaq, and Jermaine O’Neal and party like it’s 2001.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 5, 2008 2:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Gasol and Garnett trades weren't the result of aggression.

They were the result of Heisley and McHale’s ineptitude. Aggression looks like the idiotic Iverson, Kidd, and Shaq deals. Paxson’s due dilgence is annoying, but making a move to make a move just ends up making things worse.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 5, 2008 3:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LA was pursuing Gasol last seaosn as well

I’m not blasting Pax (like others will) for not getting Pau. And the Kobe deal was probably never close to fruition and we were just pawns of Kobe’s crap attitude. But, hiring a head coach for such a young team is a huge deal. With the right coach, a guy who knows when to throw which players on the floor, this team could be so much better. I want Pax to say “this is what we want, we are going to find those qualities in a guy, and hire him.” He found his guy in Doug. Why would he now put off to hire him, and interview even more candidates? It just makes no sense. Does he really have to interview that many candidates to find a “philosophical connection” to one of them?

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 5, 2008 3:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since 95+% of head coaches are probably

fatally flawed, I can understand interviewing 15+ candidates and not having a philosophical connection.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 5, 2008 5:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ozzie - I think you have the wrong party - in 2001 we were miserable

2000 – 2001 15-67; 2001 – 2002 21-61. God help me if that is where we end up!

by chgobr on Jun 5, 2008 3:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You misread

I meant because there’s a lot of people pining for Jermaine or T-Mac, they were at their best around that 2001-2003 time. Trading for them now makes no sense.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 5, 2008 3:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally agree - sorry for the miss-read!

We seem to be on the cusp of really improving. T-Mac, JO would undermine our ability to be a force over the next five years.

by chgobr on Jun 5, 2008 3:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Although 2002 was pretty fun

Ah the days when every team in Chicago sucked balls.

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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 5, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone else...

... think that the Bulls are undermining Collins’ authority in the event they end up hiring him? Usually, when a coach is hired, there is some kind of definitive statement like “we got our guy!” Here, it looks like Collins is the coach, but then Paxson keeps on interviewing and Reinsdorf publicly expresses concerns. I have to think that if Collins ends up with the job, he’s going to have this B-list aura around him. Instead of announcing “we got our guy!” the Bulls would in effect be saying “we got what was left!” Not sure how that inspires confidence in players or authority in the coach.

by Stay Chisel on Jun 5, 2008 4:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

judging by Collins' history

he’s fine with being pushed around by management.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 5, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nope. Most of the Bulls players are on beaches, probably BG reads all of this,

He seems the most alert of the bunch. And Noce probably has it translated for him, so he can stick it on the walls of the cage he locks himself into in the offseason to improve his intensity.

by iBurkey on Jun 5, 2008 8:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

noc is so intense

he scared his own mother when he popped out of the womb.

by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 6, 2008 1:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Noce is so intense

He practices his matador defense in his sleep, and is already pre writing his checks to the NBA front office for his flopping offenses.

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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 6, 2008 1:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who Cares Anymore?

This is all about Reinsdorf and his need to feed his enormous ego. You would think he’d be past that stage by now. Pax is simply an emasculated yes-man, with no authority to do anything.

by Cannoli on Jun 5, 2008 4:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To the point

Why are there 100 anti-Pax posts for every 1 that points to the fly in the ointment. If JR wasn’t running the show, D’Antoni would be the coach, Rose would be the pick, and we’d be arguing over who would be the best 4 players to knock down the trey in 7 seconds or less.

by California Al on Jun 6, 2008 8:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Paxson of Love...

Picture this coaching search goin like the Flavor of Love show lol….its like 15 coaches standing there…and paxson walks up wearin a headband(ben wallace’s lol) Jerry Reinsdorf is playing the role of big rick and he is holding clipboard chains instead of the clocks….the first show would haveMik D’Antoni and Avery Johnson be the first ones eliminated LOL!!!

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 5, 2008 5:54 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you really crack yourself up, eh :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 5, 2008 6:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is funny, but avery johnson is going to come back atfer being eliminated like new york and win the coaching job.

by FUTURE12 on Jun 5, 2008 6:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"accountable"?? Ugh

From the Herald

“Something that I’ve always tried to do as a coach, whether it was recruiting in college, whether it was coaching offense and defense in Seattle—is to make players accountable,” Casey said at his introductory news conference.

“That should be an easy thing to do, but sometimes it’s a day-to-day task in practice. I think this is a league where you have to be consistent in what you say and how you say it, and players will know what’s expected of them.”

by NormVanBeer on Jun 6, 2008 8:17 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well if he does it instead of just says it

then fine. Skiles wasn’t handing out merit-based minutes anyway.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 6, 2008 9:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the contrary, I'm sure he was.

He just had his own set of criteria, that’s all….

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 6, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Accountable

I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing, is it?

I can see why that would bother us, after this past regime, but I don’t think it means that Casey is anything like Skiles.

by Tyrant10 on Jun 6, 2008 9:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no it's not a bad thing

it’s just one of those coaching buzzwords that we hear way too much of. I’d rather just see it put into action.

by NormVanBeer on Jun 6, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you want to see it?

I prefer accountability you don’t see. Is that the way of the Zen Master? It sure seems like it with a slight correction for when he’s writing a book.

by NBA Observer on Jun 6, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh, Casey knows

what’ll play with Paxson. If only he added that coaching is a ‘process’

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 6, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if he somehow mentioned

“timetable” and “diligence” he’d be a shoo-in for the job!

by NormVanBeer on Jun 6, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Envelopes stuffed with cash

Time heals all wounds I suppose. I didn’t know about Casey’s mail carrying days until yesterday, but now knowing that it’s rather difficult to take this guy seriously about anything related to accountability.

by NBA Observer on Jun 6, 2008 10:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's plenty of opinion out there that he was set up.

He never admitted to it. In fact, he sued the carrier company and won a settlement from them…not that a willingness to sue makes one the party in the right.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 6, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the players probably received some envelopes in their day

so as long as they’re not worried about it…

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 6, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't Casey win a $6.5 million settlement against Kentucky implying he was setup?

Didn’t Dallas announce on May 8th 2008 that Casey would be Carlisle’s assistant? I have been a fan of due-diligence but this is now past due!

by chgobr on Jun 6, 2008 6:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought the initial suit was for $6.5 mil...against the carrier company.

and that it was settled for significantly less.

Gotta run…I can look it up later.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 6, 2008 6:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think

casey’s going to the mavs if he doesn’t get the bulls job. as in, that’s his fall back plan.

little do the mavs know that they may have to be waiting quite awhile to know the fate of his spot…

by Jaina on Jun 6, 2008 8:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not starting

a post cause i’m sure one will be up shortly, but K.C. Johnson is reporting on chicagosorts.com that Collins to the Bulls is over with and includes comments from Collins in there. This pretty much just makes me hate the Bulls organization even more than I already did, which is tough.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 3:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm in shock as well

and am convinced that 2 year olds can run a professional basketball franchise better than those idiots over there.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it sounds like it was mutual

from what i just read, it sounded like the more collins thought about it, the more he was having second thoughts

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on Jun 6, 2008 3:48 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's crap

It was all cheap ass Reinsdorf. I guarantee it. In the end he just couldn’t part with his precious money. Why else would Collins be out, plus no D’antoni or no Flip Saunders interview or Avery Johnson interview. He’s a cheap asshole!

by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not the way I read it
“I just knew over the last few days that Jerry was really struggling over whether or not to do this, and I didn’t want Jerry to have those struggles,” Collins told the Tribune. “I love him. And I didn’t want him feeling that kind of angst.

“This is absolutely mutual. When this first came about, there was a tremendous amount of excitement about this possibility. And I’m losing that. The feeling now is more, ‘Should I do this?’ Once I got to that point, it meant no. I always make decisions yes is yes, no is no and maybe is no.

That really makes it sound to me like Collins saw the hesitation from Reinsdorf and decided he wanted no part of being a lukewarm hire.

“Jerry knows me well enough to know the only way I could do this is if I was totally engaged. And I just couldn’t do that now.”

Now, I take, to mean now that it’s clear Pax and/or Reinsdorf have the enthusiasm for him I usually reserve for doing laundry.

Reached by telephone Friday, Reinsdorf said Collins’ initially called the Bulls to help his former team find a new coach.

“While Doug was following our coaching search, he knew it didn’t seem to be going very well,” Reinsdorf said. “Because of his friendship for John and me, he felt he needed to reach out and help us. That’s why we started to talk.

Seems to be a bit of an admission that, in fact, the search is not just seeming to go poorly.

by Sports2 on Jun 6, 2008 6:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So which candidate has dibs on being the next front-runner?

Actually, is “candidate” even the right term, or does that imply to strongly that they’re seriously under consideration for a job that supposedly will be filled this decade?

How long until Pax announces that Pete Meyers will be filling in as interim coach while the search for a permanent hire continues?

Here's to the most exciting offseason in a VERY long time!

by wjb1492 on Jun 6, 2008 5:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

oh man, laughter makes the pain go away.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 6, 2008 5:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hahaha

Hubie Brown? The Czar? Larry Hughes?

It’s obvious that Ditka’s still in the running.

"I tell you, Steve Blass, you pitch me inside, they never, never find that ball."
-Roberto Clemente

by cubbybear on Jun 7, 2008 3:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe Pax should take that ND job

I’d love to see him perform due dilligence there while watching thousands of boosters scream for his head.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 6, 2008 10:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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