They’re both 6’ 8.25” tall is what I meant

Don’t players play the game a different way? I thought they did.

but then he’ll probably get left in the dust by quicker players…

Alright, the Rose/Gordon backcourt isn’t looking too good defensively. I’d still roll with it and if they can’t bludgeon opposing backcourts with offensive awesomeness, then bring in the ‘big guard’. And yes, I mean Eddie Basden.

http://www.82games.com/trueheight.htm

at age of 19

richboy wrote:
1. Derrick Rose- his arms are not that long. Standing reach is really the most important measurement in determining arm length. Wingspan is more a product of arm length and chest size. His standing reach is below the average. Barely 8 feet. To put that in perspective with his arms up he a few inches shorter than Ben Gordon who measured the same height. Its not that big of a deal but if Chicago plans on having a Gordon Rose back court I do have questions if either can guard SGs now.

JonathanG wrote:
Rose’s standing reach is 2 inches bigger. That’s one of the few things we need to fix. It’s 8-2 1/2.

It looks like an email exchange (I am not a current member of realgm so I am unable to ask), but they haven’t updated anything yet on draftexpress.

Here’s another post about it (I am assuming Jonathan G = Jonathan Givony)

Jonathan G wrote:
Rose’s standing reach is 2 inches bigger. That’s one of the few things we need to fix. It’s 8-2 1/2. Anthony Randolph’s standing reach is off by a foot (its 9-1, not 8-1). No other substantial errors besides the Kaun measurements. He is actually 6-10 3/4 in shoes, 6-9 without.

Beasley’s standing reach is the same as Al Horford, and slightly better than Joakim Noah, per this Draft Express chart.

But those numbers don’t do too much for me, outside of maybe the vert or the strength. His standing reach is short – a full inch shorter than Beasley’s, and there’s already questions about Beasley’s size at the 4. If anything, this legitimizes questions about how his effective height will play in the NBA.

Howeva … his college statistics do not indicate someone who will struggle athletically in the NBA – like, say, Adam Morrison’s or J.J. Redick’s did (and yes, I hate that all three of these players have something in common…if I had more time, I’d find some demographically-balanced examples). Even in consideration of these numbers, I like him as a top-5 prospect in this draft.

the Bulls aren’t drafting him anyway.

Was Love wearing women’s heels? How does he gain 1.7f inches while everyone else gets a solid inch?

But really, with that weak height, what more is he going to do than BG can?

I think Gordon/Hinrich/Thabo can match up well enough in most cases, and (I guess) Hughes.

Which makes it easier.

seriously?!?

Set down the blowtorch, and step away from the crack pipe.

Lopez compares more to Brad Sellers than to Tim Duncan.

Can we trade the KantuKid for Mr Miyagi? I should’ve known as much – this coming from a poster who has Chris Duhon’s photo in his profile.

Lopez plays in the post and so does Duncan. Lopez is clutch (Marquette-Stanford second round NCAA game) and so is Duncan. Lopez is cool, even keel, tall and so is Duncan. I can go all day.

Said that he lacks defensive fundamentals (although is improving constantly) but his athleticism is what makes him a good defender cuz even if he gets beat he can get back to his man fast enough.

but viewing the numbers through rose-colored glasses (I swear, I didn’t mean for it to sound that corny), I figured maybe he didn’t give it his all during the race. After all, it’s not like he has the same incentives to post great times that most of the other players do, who are jockeying for draft position.

Of course, that he wasn’t trying hard is completely inconsistent when one sees his stellar 3/4-court time, but hey, I wanted to believe it really badly.

Maybe he was just tired from the 3/4 court drill? :)

Is straight-line quickness and speed…maybe his lateral quickness really is a question mark. Ugh.

You know … I really didn’t think the lead-up from the Lottery to the Draft would be this painstaking of a process. How stupid was that?

and i say this as huge hinrich fan, the bulls NEED to draft the BEST OVERALL PLAYER. Now we are just fans who can do nothing more then watch youtube tapes and read every article every person has written on the players that are involved in the draft, so we cant really determine who the best player is, but we hope the pax and his staff can see the difference, not saying it will be rose, but it has seemed all those who have taken a look at rose recently have claimed him to be the best. Draft day will tell us what is true.

Also in terms of team needs, just take a lesson from the Sam Bowie draft.

Gordon isn’t a point guard. The pick-and-roll/pop that you describe with Beasley won’t be that effective when the larger opposing PG smothers Gordon and forces him to dribble off his foot. I’d bet that Rose & Tyrus execute that play better in the NBA than Gordon & Beasley.

So what if Kirk was good two years ago? So was Barry Bonds. What has Kirk done for us lately? Not all that much, unfortunately. And you give these details like you think Rose must replace Kirk. Remember, the Bulls have had such great PGs in the past four seasons that Chris Duhon has been able to average almost 30 minutes per game for 75 games per season. If Rose takes Duhon’s floor time, the Bulls improve post haste.

Beasley’s scoring may or may not project to the pros. And why does everyone think the Bulls need scoring when Boston and Detroit held teams to 10 points fewer per game than the Bulls? You could just as easily state that the Bulls need to stop more scoring – and how would Beasley help with that? The Bulls need more efficient offense – they finished last in the NBA in FG%. Beasley may or may not be able to help with that – what was Kevin Durants FG% as a rookie? But I’ll bet that a top-shelf PG like Rose would help out that FG% by delivering the ball to the right place at the right time for the right shooters.

Well said and concise.

:-)

Asked and answered. :)

..... The Bulls will be crazy not to draft Beasley -the man who will dominate the NBA for the next 10 years. If we draft a guard, I would easily make a case for either Eric Gordon and OJ Mayo instead of Rose. Who wants a point guard who can’t score free throws?
Our guards are good enough to win, we need scoring and someone who will require double-teaming and that is exactly what Beasley will provide.

On the other hand, I have to say I am not that surprised with all the anti-Beasley posts I have read in the last couple of weeks, I still haven’t forgotten all the ignorant comments against trading for Kobe at the beginning of the season.
Who wants the League MVP when you’ve got Tyrus and Deng right?

Beasley is the best player in the Draft this year.

if you know better, why do it?

(specifically to the Pax rumor, I’ll post on it later today, if you can all wait)

There would be significantly less stress around these parts if Rose’s measurements made him bigger, stronger, faster, jumpier and more agile than the rest of the field. I take this thread for what it is: much ado about not much by a lot of super Bulls fans who are bored at work.

I agree with you though: no problems here. Carry on.

I know it’s been said that Pax only plans on bringing in Beasley and Rose, but I think they should also bring in O.J. Mayo for comparison reasons, and just to be certain. The kid can shoot from anywhere and play the point.

He thinks a 35 inch vertical is in line with a 40 year old couch potato.

See, I look at his 12.9% body fat and think: “He worked his ass off for over a month, with professional trainer and a nutritionist to get to this?” What was he before? 20%? STAY PUFF!

I want to draft Rose #1, but Beasley is going to be fine in the NBA as a PF. He’s far more gifted offensively than Kenyon Martin. Beasley has refined low post moves. He can back you down as a bruising scorer, but he also has blink moves off the low post feed. He can slow or fast depending on who is guarding him. Add in a step back face up game and he’s got all the tools a club would ask for from a PF.

If you watch Beasley footage(a whole game is preferred) you will see that sometimes his rebounding numbers are inflated. He has a tendency to catch the ball in the post and immediately go to the rim. It’s very fast, but sluggish. He’ll miss the first attempt but rebound his own miss for an even easier putback tap, dunk, etc.

Barkley didn’t have the ideal measurements and he turned out to be a pretty good power forward. Who cares if Beasley isn’t this lean 6’11, 269 pound beast (Olowokandi’s measurements) if he can still play basketball? He seems to be an excellent athlete and basketball player. I’m for Rose, but I think that the measurable quantities only mean something if someone is shockingly worse or better than expected, and neither was the case here. Did anyone really think Beasley was 6’10? All I know, is I think he will be capable of scoring in the paint, and in general, when he gets to the NBA.

but has Beasley expressed a serious side in this pre-draft gauntlet?

But there was another report, with actual quotes from Pat Riley, which indicated that the Heat were OK with the results of the measurements.