Saunders out as Pistons Coach
[From the FanShots. -ed.]
according to Yahoo.com Flip will not return. Matt and other Flip boosters (myself included) rejoice. Pax has to look at him right? He interviewed everyone else under the sun. Balanced offensive and defensive efficiency were Saunders hallmarks in Detroit. Bring the guy to Chicago, please, Pax.
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Now maybe we can get a real decision.
One of the stories circulating was that Pax wanted to have Flip on the market so it wouldn’t look like Collins gave himself the job.
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by alec on Jun 3, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pax's plan
drive up the interest in Michael Curry!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh
I expect now they’re already in the boat and halfway across the river with Collins, so they’ll just stick with him. :)
by Sports2 on Jun 3, 2008 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It makes too much sense
Saunders to the Suns.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
Kerr has probably already scheduled and setup a meeting. The funny thing is that even though this Collins/Bulls/Paxson thing has been going on for a week now, the Suns will probably have a guy (Flip) in place first. Not that this is a race, but it just shows how slow the Bulls move…oh, my bad, it shows their doing due diligence blech
by NormVanBeer on Jun 3, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always disliked Flip
His teams constantly underachieving has to be a red flag…and he doesn’t really understand how to coach in the playoffs, especially when it comes to mid-game adjustments. Obviuosly, some of those comments could be directed at Collins as well, but I dont know, there is just something about Flip I have never liked…
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by CONOR6 on Jun 3, 2008 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another Flip hallmark
is his inability to motivate his players
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by CONOR6 on Jun 3, 2008 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, Garnett never cared!
Luckily first class guys like Sprewell and Sheed came to Flip’s rescue.
by hscs on Jun 3, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont get it
How come flip is such a better choice than collins? I think flip just proved to everyone in the bball community that it doesnt matter how much talent he has on his squad, or how well they play in the reg. season, he can’t win in the playoffs. but hey, if flip is your guy, then have fun
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by CONOR6 on Jun 3, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should really Kelly Dwyer's piece about Flip.
According to KD, the Pistons players decide to run a totally different, boring offense once they get to the playoffs. Sure, Flip’s inability to get them to run it might be something, but you can only tell them to run the play so many times if they’re refusing.
by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that a failing for a coach?
If they’re not listening to him, how is he good? Wouldn’t the pistons have been just as good without him? How is he a good coach?
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Jun 3, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you read it?
It is a problem, but not a failing. The team is old, and had past success w/ grind-it-out ball. It’s natural for people to revert to something safe when “scared”.
And it wouldn’t/shouldn’t be a problem with the Bulls because they don’t have a “past” to revert to.
by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I don’t think anyone’s saying that having a team flame out on you isn’t a red flag. I just don’t take too much stock into it given the team we’re talking about.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is anyone a good coach?
their teams are good and they don’t completely mess it up. I don’t think The Pistons were a good enough squad to call every non-finals appearance a ‘failure’.
What separates Flip from Collins is that he’s had good teams that have been good through multiple ways, which is at least give some indication that he’s flexible.
Plus, all things equal, I’ll take a chance with the ‘offensive-minded’ guy, since I still think any motivation would get the Bulls to be good defensively but they need special help to become a good offense, and I don’t see that help being the coach dictating plays while they walk it up. Granted, that’s how the Pistons work (with Billups likely doing some playcalling of his own), but not how Flips Minnesota teams did.
Just consider ‘balance’ and ‘flexibility’ to be my coaching buzzwords, like Pax has ‘due diligence’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a Flip fan
I don’t think The Pistons were a good enough squad to call every non-finals appearance a ‘failure’.
The Pistons team that Flip inherited had just come off of back-to-back Finals appearances, including a championship a year earlier. The seven leading scorers of Larry Brown’s Pistons team (with their ages in parenthesis)? Hamilton (26), Billups (28), Prince (24), Sheed (30), McDyess (30), Ben Wallace (30), and Lindsey Hunter (34). Swap Wallace with Stuckey and Maxiell and otherwise it’s the exact same team as they have now. To go three more years with that team and not even make it to the Finals in a severely weak East is a failure. They had the best young core of talent in basketball just five years ago, and now their window for winning another title is closed.
Add to that Flip’s failure to advance past the first round in his first 9 years as the T’Wolves coach (while inheriting a 19 year old Garnett), and I’m really not sure why any team would want to hire him. He’s underachieved for thirteen years, and I don’t see any reason why he’s suddenly figure it out in the his fourteenth.
(With that said, if he doesn’t like Larry Hughes as much as Collins does, then disregard the above statements and BRING FLIP HERE QUICK.)
by YaoPau on Jun 3, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many of those Minnesota teams should've gotten past the first round?
Other than Garnett, those teams weren’t really that good. I mean, Wally Sczerbiak and Joe Smith were the second and third best players on a lot of those teams. Because of the Joe Smith salary cap circumvention penalties, they lost a lot of draft picks. Tell me, which one of those first round series do you think they should have won? They were the lower-seeded team for all but one of those first round series (and they faced the defending champ Lakers in the other one). They year they did have some talent, when they traded for Sprewell and Cassell, they made the conference finals. When Sprewell got old the next year, the team went into a free-fall that it still hasn’t gotten out of. Saunders didn’t underachieve there – they were about as good as they should have been.
by Big D on Jun 3, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "which series should they have won?" argument
never held any water with me. Before his semi-magical ‘03-’04 season, Flip coached 7 T’Wolves teams into the playoffs. You’re right, only once did they have home court advantage, but that doesn’t mean he should be off the hook for losing all six of the others.
Hear me out on the math for a second. If your team has a 40% chance of winning each of six different series, then you have a 60% chance of losing each series. 1 – (60% ^ 6) = .953, or a 95.3% chance you win at least one of those series. If you have a 30% chance of winning each series, you have an 88% chance of winning at least one of six. At 20%, it’s 73%.
It’s hard to say what the year-by-year percentages were, but before ‘03-’04, Flip coached five 45+ win teams and three 50+ win teams and never made it to the second round. The seedings might’ve been against his favor, but if he was a decent coach he would’ve won at least one of them.
by YaoPau on Jun 3, 2008 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is it 40%
I figure it this way: If, over 82 games, you finish with a worse record (i.e. no home court advantage). You likely were the worse team.
In a 7 game series, the best team nearly always wins. So if they also have home court advantage…it’s a tough go.
Maybe if Flip’s hired, I’ll go through the playoff losses and get the Pythagorean win totals, who was hurt/healthy, and other circumstances.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give him a group of players who aren't led by self-absorbed guys
aka Mr. “Big-Shot” and Sheed. They may be All-Stars, but their idiotic sense of being better than everyone else seeps into the entire roster’s mindset, and has cost them three straight trips to the NBA Finals, all against teams that were certainly beatable, and this year being the first that they weren’t the overwhelming favorite to make to the final round.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 3, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
important question
if Paxson hustled to Detroit in jeans to woo Ben Wallace, to do the same with Flip does he by a real expensive suit?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it depends
I’m sure he wouldn’t have a problem going to Brooks Bros to buy one…but then I’m sure he would have to check the fabric, know which warehouse it came from, and find out the manufacturer’s history…the clerk would then offer him a discount, of which he would then call up Jerry and ask if it was ok to buy a suit and how much he can spend on one…to which Jerry would reply sure go ahead, but let me schedule a day to come take a look at the suit, only to get to the store a week later…all the while Joe Blow has come in and bought the suit right under Paxson’s nose
by NormVanBeer on Jun 3, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Detroit viewpoint
This is from a commenter on the badboys blog:
“Smooth and Rip will tell you that they are a 4th quarter veteran savy team and that "if it aint rough, it aint right." Well, in the elimination game vs the Quicken Loans Lebrons last year, we were down by one, 67-66 entering the 4th quarter. The Pistons then showed the mental toughness we’ve come to expect by collapsing and were outscored 31-16 in the 4th quarter.
“Against Team David Stern’s Jackpot this year in the elimination game, we were up 68-60 heading to the 4th. Yet as we all know, we collapsed like Universal Studies in the 4th quarter and were annihilated and outscored 29-13 in the 4th. Zero mental toughness…”
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-06-03/flip-saunders-is-fired/
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by alec on Jun 3, 2008 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"mental toughness"
has nothing to do with the coach. Maybe “mental preparedness” does.
by NormVanBeer on Jun 3, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm
i want a mentally tough coach…what the hell does mental preparedness even mean? does it mean not being an idiot?
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by CONOR6 on Jun 3, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i meant that
the PLAYERS being mentally tough has nothing to do with the coach. How would a mentally tough coach have an affect on a game? Huh? What’s he going to do, say something like “you better not try to out-think me buddy! I’ll REALLY put on my thinking cap! You don’t want that!!”?
The article that alec quoted was talking about the players. “Mental preparedness” means just that…being mentally prepared.
by NormVanBeer on Jun 3, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is mentally tough?
That’s putting your best players out there to give you a chance to succeed. that’s all a coach can do in the 4th quarter of an elimination game. The vaunted Detroit 5, as noted by that DBB commenter, failed to capitalize on their “veteran savvy” 2 years in a row now. What is Saunders going to do? Play Jason Maxiell and Rodney Stuckey more than Sheed and Billups?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 3, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Detroit viewpoint
“Flip’s a great coach for…any D-league team, overseas . . .”
(same link as above)
Sounds like our kind of guy, huh.
Thre basic tone out of Detroit, as far as I can tell is “He’s a nice guy, but thank God he’s gone!”
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by alec on Jun 3, 2008 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes,a blog's comments section
Best place to find balanced commentary on any subject.
by hscs on Jun 3, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By definition, "balance" is simply some sort of a midpoint.
We here at BaB do eventually reach a "balance" of opinion…as do they in Detroit. The point is that the balance in Detroit is "Thank God he’s gone!"
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by alec on Jun 3, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I chose my words poorly
“rational” would have been a better choice.
by hscs on Jun 3, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and consensus would be a better choice than balance...
there is nothing balanced about BaB.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Jun 3, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well there's no need for a lesser opinion
to get equal footing. :-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what kind of tone do you expect them to take?
they’re disappointed that they fell short again, and they’re looking for someone to take it out on. unfortunately, their wrath is misguided. they should be blaming Sheed for no-showing in Game 6.
by fundamentallysound on Jun 3, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
they’ve got the talent in Detroit to repeatedly make the conference finals, but then the players suddenly don’t have what it takes to go any further. I seem to remember them getting to the finals under a different coach. If the coach is the main thing that changed, how is he not at least partially to blame for not getting any further?
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Jun 3, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, I think that first sentence is indeed accurate
they were not better than the Celtics all season, so it’s tough for them to ‘step up’ in a 7 game series.
Against the LeBrons in ‘07 they were better during the season, the team imploded by ignoring the coach. So sure, Flip deserves some blame, but look at that group of entitled jerkos he’s coaching.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Under the previous coah, the Pistons had a great deal of luck on their side
The year they won it all, the Pacers, their only competition in the East, were undone by the Brawl. Their opponent in the Finals, the Lakers, were torn apart by the Shaq vs. Kobe stupidity. The next year, they were trailing the Heat 3-2 in the Conference Finals when Wade missed Game 6 and hobbled through Game 7.
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by snley on Jun 3, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phil Jackson
couldn’t handle his players!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pistons won the season before the brawl
It was the PIstons’ RETURN to the finals was the season of the brawl.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 3, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the correction
Should have double checked that before I posted
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by snley on Jun 3, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
I agree with you the Pistons in 04 & 05 were extremely lucky. Okur & Williamson provided them a dimension they haven’t duplicated since (something very few have ever bothered to mention), and in 05 they were lucky to get past the Heat.
If you, though, want to ride Shaq’s nuts about how he automatically makes a team better with his presence re-watch the 05 finals. That was utterly hilarious for a guy who was supposed to be the MVP that year.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 3, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
05 conference finals is what I meant^
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by pookeyguru on Jun 3, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sooo... do the Bulls have a coach or not?
Is Saunders even a real possibility? Is Collins already the Bulls’ coach?
by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2008 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not on the Flip Band Wagon
it might get you out of the desert but then it underachieves and overturns during the real race!
by exult463 on Jun 3, 2008 11:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As opposed to the Collins Band Wagon
which, after changing integral parts to make it run, burns out in the middle and leaves you starting the race over again
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by snley on Jun 3, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but...
see, we’d have our co-pilot at the ready…
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by alec on Jun 3, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the team could be sick of him too, and/or he could be terrible
by hscs on Jun 3, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if
the ‘grooming Michael Curry’ stories got the Pistons players to realize their own grand succession plan.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not sold on Flip
not that I’m really “sold” on Collins either. But the expressed argument that ‘Flip hasn’t messed up as much as Doug has’ doesn’t hold a lot of weight. It seems that’s what it’s coming down to…one guy isn’t as bad as the other. It seems like it should be decidedly “this guy is WAY better than that guy”. Neither is completely terrible but neither is very great. I’d honestly flip a coin between the two.
by NormVanBeer on Jun 3, 2008 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
welcome to coaching evaluation
‘not awful’ is actually a step up for most teams, including this one.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when did collins ever mess up?
he got canned after taking the bulls to conference finals. that’s not exactly messing up… And if you’re going to give Saunders a pass for four years in Detroit, Collins deserves the same for less time in Washington.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Jun 3, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
I’m not saying Collins is awful either, sheesh.
Is your whole method of coaching evaluation “how far his team made it in the playoffs”?
Didn’t you just give a lame ‘thanks for the chuckle’ line when someone compared the Lakers to the Bulls? Now you’re doing the same with the Pistons and M.Jeff Wiz?
(that’s 3 more questions than this deserved, but…)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much
is there a better way to evaluate than how far a team made it in the playoffs? I don’t really care how many games a team wins, just how many championships.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Jun 3, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
thanks for sharing that ‘chuckle’ feeling you had this morning with me.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good way to evaluate a TEAM
but not a COACH
by potato0328 on Jun 3, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
It’s a common annoyance to see it done with players (Pau Gasol never made it out of the first round, don’t you know), but for a coach it’s even lamer.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again
I’m not saying he’s a bad coach, I’m just saying he hasn’t done anything to distinguish himself. The teams Saunders has coached had the talent to win a championship and they didn’t, but they got close. So it’s kind of silly to give Saunders a lot of extra credit for running a good offense or defense or whatever when that was exactly what was expected. And Saunders was fired for that. Collins was fired for different reasons, but Collins’s teams did everything and more than they were expected to do.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Jun 3, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you could make the leap
and say that Collins’ Bulls teams had the talent to win a championship as well.
Maybe the Pistons were just better in ‘04 than they were in ‘06-’08, and there are other factors, like luck.
I don’t think just looking up defensive and offensive efficiencies for each team coaches is the best method either, but it does give Flip a leg-up on Collins, and I find it more relevant than a pretty arbitrary ‘talent to win the championship’ label.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but that's exactly what it would be, a leap, not to mention a huge stretch
there’s no leap to make for the pistons, they did win a championship and were still young. And still in the weak East, and etc., etc… Hell, they beat a Lakers team for the championship that had not just one, but the two best players on the court. They should have at the very least made it back to the finals. And Saunders is the architect for the plan to do that. And sure luck plays a part in that, but this wasn’t one fluke year, it was 4 years. And if Saunders can’t figure out how to get that extra little bit out of his players who are actually playing for a chance to go to the finals, how’s he going to get it out of guys who are struggling just to make the playoffs?
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Jun 3, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on!
First off, it was three years, not four. And they were coming off a Finals loss. No one disputes that they should have beat the Cavs last year, but it is a leap to say they SHOULD have beat the Heat in 2006, and it’s even more ridiculous to say they SHOULD have beat the Celtics this year.
So to recap:
2004 – Brown – won Finals
2005 – Brown – lost Finals
2006 – Saunders – lost to Shaq and Wade – not good
2007 – Saunders – lost to the LeBron’s – bad
2008 – Saunders – lost to the Celtics – not bad
Obviously, Saunders isn’t a good coach.
by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they should have beaten Miami
It’s getting unnecessary to endlessly debate who’s better, because in reality both are the ultimate Point A to Point B guys. Both have fatal flaws, Collins is just way too high-strung to coach for a long tenure, and Flip is essentially an idiot when he has to make adjustments during the playoffs.
In regards to the Heat, remember they let the 2nd round series with the Cavs go to 7 games, and lost a useless game to the Bucks in the 1st round. Thus, you could argue they were a little winded for the Wade extravaganza that was to take place. I won’t even acknowledge Shaq since he used all his energy to take down Sweets and Chandler in the 1st round with that 30/20 in Game 5.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 3, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace were pretty important
Ben didn’t age well, and the Pistons never really replaced that production. I wish 82games took the Roland Rating that far back, but it doesn’t seem like he’s made the same impact he initially did on the championship team.
by hscs on Jun 3, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheed has gotten wildly inconsistent for them
Which is why I’m shocked they wouldn’t just keep Flip and trade Wallace. They have Maxiell, and a caged up Amir Johnson, at some point you have to see what he can do.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 3, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That team wasn't "expected" to run a good offense.
It didn’t have one under Brown, and then it did under Saunders. The defense was barely worse from Brown to Saunders, but the offense was significantly better.
If D’Antoni is all about offense and taking chances at the expense of defense and mistakes, and Collins is all about defense and limiting TO’s at the expense of offense and “going for it all”, how is Flip “I-found-a-happy-medium” Saunders not a better solution?
(OT: How the HELL does Hinrich make more than Billups? And Nocioni as much as Prince? Really Paxson? Really?)
by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Billups is backloaded?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 3, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably. It's not important. I'm just talking crap
to Paxson.
by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the standard evaluation around here is...
- how far you made it in the playoffs, and
- if you’re NOT Avery Johnson.
by potato0328 on Jun 3, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
good ol’ Rosenbloom must read BaB:
by NormVanBeer on Jun 3, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh . . .
Is it time to admit that we now have a coach for the Blogabull Oddly Coveted First Team?
by Petor on Jun 3, 2008 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
very astute observation...
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Jun 3, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I think that’s obviously Scottie Pippen.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with Hakeem as the big man coach, of course.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not quite.
You should know that anything Matt endorses cannot be, by definition, oddly-coveted. At least in the friendly blogger’s eyes.
by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I should just use a more extreme word than oddly?
If you think Flip Saunders is the coaching equivalent of Mo Sene…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Dumars
Or, more importantly, implied action. See Pax, that’s almost as important than actual action: not sounding like you have no clue.
(*importance being: what’s a target for rippage)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 3, 2008 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
don't get your hopes up
The Bulls are not believed to be interested in Saunders, though things could change if Reinsdorf rejects Collins at this late stage.
by NormVanBeer on Jun 3, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS is the kind of stuff
that I can’t stand…
WSCR-AM (670) reported that Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf wanted to take the weekend — at the least — to reflect and make sure he was hiring Collins for the right reasons and not allow his close relationship with Collins to cloud this important decision.
Uhhh ok. What’s to reflect?? You didn’t think about your relationship with him BEFORE you leaked all of the information last week? More dawdling! Either hire him or don’t. It’s not rocket science. This is the kind of stuff that takes the wind of out the sails and just puts a bad taste in everyone’s mouth.
by NormVanBeer on Jun 3, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's almost like he reads blogabull
and got a whiff of some negativity surrounding the choice of Collins…
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Jun 3, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that'd be a most fireable offense
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oh sweet god almighty
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