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Last rumour: Hinrich to Denver

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Here they come... Now that we draft Rose, the rumours about trades envolving our guards already will to increase. The first one was about Hinrich going to Denver. The Rocky Mountain News don't tell who might be envolved besides Hinrich.

There are rumblings that, with Chicago having drafted point guard Derrick Rose with the top pick, Bulls point guard Kirk Hinrich could be on the move, with Denver a possible landing spot.

It's just a possibility, but, what kind of trade would you guys do? Do you think that that this can really happen?

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I think it's certainly possible

just because Denver is a high-payroll team and isn’t messing around about wanting to contend.

That said, they’ll also likely love a deal that reduces their present-year salary as well, because they’re currently slated to pay the Luxury Tax.

The big problem is that all their big money guys (except for Camby) extend past 2010. So even though I actually like Nene, it looks like any deal will require them to take both Hinrich AND Nocioni off the books.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 10:39 AM CDT   0 recs

Denver

Is one of the only team that has a surplus of bigs (and large contracts) for the Bulls to trade with. Otherwise, they would be trading small for big and there aren’t enough quality bigs on teams to do that type of trade. I actually like Nene too, but I don’t think Noce wouldn’t have to be included. If they want to get rid of Kirk, they should be able to go straight up for Camby or Nene.

On the other hand, I cannot find a team for BG. He is bound to be a unrestricted FA next year.

by Jesse07 on Jun 27, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kirk for Camby

Trade Noc to GS for their Trade Exception. Sign BG.

by kingj41 on Jun 27, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

GS

has enough contract headaches on there hands. Would Harrington & Noce mesh at the forwards positions?

by Jesse07 on Jun 27, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's Nellie ball

Harrington can play C

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by snley on Jun 27, 2008 10:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and they're clearly not planning on playing their draft picks

(f’real, why take Wright and Randolph in successive years? yikes)

I’m ok with Nene on the team if the end-result through whatever combination of deals is the contracts of Hinrich and Nocioni gone. It’s all about long-term salary (not Hinrich-hate, I swear!), so swapping Hinrich for Nene is actually worse in that regard.

and while the Warriors do have that exception…man, what would the Bulls need to do and entice them?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 11:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

correct me if I'm wrong

but didn’t the Warriors trade exception expire? I thought it was a year from the trade and that Richardson deal was a year ago now.

by JSlakov on Jun 27, 2008 12:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

gah, I believe you're right

it expired on draft day. (or a year after last year’s draft)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 12:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't they hate Harrington?

He’s been in dozens of trade rumors.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 27, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nellie hates Harrington

and Harrington wants to go.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 27, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

everyone hates Harrington

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Didn't Paxson bid on Harrington

a few years ago?

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by alec on Jun 27, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

supposedly

they wanted to deal the Deng pick for Harrington on draft night.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Paxs

might think he’s aquiring a steal (a good player) if he gets Harrington?

something about this first impressions, first love.. anyway someone needs to let him know Harrington is a poser and not worth it if his contract is greater than 2 years.

by exult463 on Jun 27, 2008 2:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

certainly possible

he wouldn’t be the worst fit here, if only his attitude was better.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 11:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

sounds good to me

i like Camby cuz he gets off the books in 2010 and he will provide veterean presence inside and he wont get in TTs way as much as NENE would

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 27, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

about the time Asic is scheduled to come on the books

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by alec on Jun 27, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How much do second rounders get paid...

dat shouldnt matter

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by YEP on Jun 27, 2008 11:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The payscale for intl 2nd rounders is actually a very big deal.

The ability to offer a competitive contract is the whole reason these guys are 2nd round picks.

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by alec on Jun 27, 2008 11:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Other factors

1) They’re not ready to play in the NBA
2) They already are under contract making it too expensive for a team to draft them in the first round where they would have to pay them(money down the drain, remember Krause and Kukoc)
3) They’re not sure if they even want to come to the NBA

The Sonics still took Serge Ibaka in the first round after his agent told everyone not to. I believe they now have to eat what they would have to pay Ibaka because he’s a first round pick.

by NBA Observer on Jun 27, 2008 1:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was really surprised when they did that.

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by alec on Jun 27, 2008 2:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

huh?

‘eat’ money they’re not paying Ibaka?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 2:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He is used to getting paid well where he is now.

I’d assume he’d want at least that or more when he comes to play for the Bulls.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Jun 27, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But it wouldnt hinder us...

in lets say pursuing a Chris Bosh or D Wade…thats all im sayin

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What I can't see, though, is Denver acquiring Hinrich

when they already have Chucky Atkins, AI and J. R. Smith (and Anthony Carter). Chucky’s their “pure” PG, while the other two or three are the scoring guards (whether combo or not).

As for BG, he’d do fine in the western conference because he won’t be asked to play defense there. He’s a natural fit for the Suns, and I believe Portland could really use his veteran leadership and dead-eye shooting too. So could the Sonics. I guess the Spurs, Rockets, Jazz and maybe Lakers would ask for defense, and so those teams might not be interested. But everyone else should be.

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by bullhockey on Jun 27, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kirk would give them a guard who can actually play defense against SG's

Atkins isn’t a “pure” PG, he’s an outside gunner, which is why they missed him last season. They need someone who can shoot from the perimeter and play D against bigger guards. He wouldn’t be an ideal fit next to AI, but he’d fit a lot better than anyone else on their roster.

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by snley on Jun 27, 2008 3:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and Atkins just isn't that good.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Also, where the hell do you get that they don't play defense in the West?

What about San Antonio, Dallas, and Houston? That stereotype of Western Conference basketball is about 10 years out of date?

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by snley on Jun 27, 2008 3:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Easy, Tiger.

That’s why I eased off of that stereotype in my last sentence. Jeez…

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by bullhockey on Jun 27, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, should have read your post more carefully

Really jumped the gun on that one.

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by snley on Jun 27, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't get this sentiment.

Ben Gordon is a specialist—an offensive specialist. Why would a team w/ already good offense go for something like that? Wouldn’t a team w/ a good team defense that struggles to score value you him more? Think of the Celtics w/ Ray Allen. Or the Spurs if they had Gordon. Or New Orleans w/ Peja. Or the Lakers w/ Radmanovich. All very good to great defensive teams that were able to hide definite mediocre to bad defenders because they brought some offense. That’s why the Bulls need Gordon.

Allen actually got good at defense in Boston, although he hadn’t been for years. Go Thom Thibadeau!!!!

by tyger1147 on Jun 27, 2008 3:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

but what are we getting in return

by Blacknight23 on Jun 28, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Camby, Atkins, and a pick for Hinrich

makes a tiny, tiny bit of sense. Atkins has an expiring contract, but he is also terrible and nothing like Derrick Rose. Camby is a good example for Noah and Tyrus, and a frontline of Gooden and Camby gives us a chance to compete right now if we’re in that position. But I’d also want Noah and Tyrus to actually play.

Second possibility: I would jump on Hinrich + Nocioni for Camby + Atkins + Hunter, giving us miles and miles of beautiful cap space. ESPN Trade Machine says currently says it doesn’t work, but that might only be until July 9th. The salaries are within 125%.

by YaoPau on Jun 27, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Pax wants the young guys to play

He knows that Rose (maybe) only get to that star level three years from now, like CP3 and Williams did. And he said this is going to be a important year to TT. So, I think that he really wants TT and NOAH to play… But if we could send Gooden to Denver in some sort of deal envolving Hinrich, then TT and NOAH could play alongside Camby

Please Pax!!! Can you trade Hughes???

by bull83 on Jun 27, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In regards to TT, does that mean

if he doesn’t show signs of a consistent outside shot, then he’s officially labeled a bust?
Lots of pressure, only winning lots of games will save him and hide his anemic basketball skills.

by exult463 on Jun 27, 2008 3:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just consistency period...

inside game…jumpshot…defense….this is a big yr for TT

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 27, 2008 3:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Atkins is fine as a backup pg

and they’ll need a backup if Hinrich’s gone.

I like either one of those deals. One worry though is that Camby really isn’t a good fit next to Noah/Tyrus. I’d actually like Gooden better.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who cares? It's only two years.

Sure, you want to win in those years, but really, who gives a damn?

by tyger1147 on Jun 27, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

true

but he’ll play a lot, and I’d want to give Noah/Tyrus the best chance to succeed.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kirk

still has good trade value considering all his haters . If they are looking for a salary dump. New York is still looking for a point gaurd. What about Kirk & Noce or Gooden for Marbury (buy out) & David Lee? The trade exception could take back a bad contract or unload Gooden too.

I know they want to get under the cap for Lebron (not going to happen – JZ in NJ), so if not use the trade exception in a seperate trade to take back a bad contract.

by Jesse07 on Jun 27, 2008 11:09 AM CDT   0 recs

what's the

latest on marbury’s situation?

not that i’d want him within 600 miles of rose… just asking…

by leeac on Jun 27, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's on the last year of his contract, due upwards of $20M

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by snley on Jun 27, 2008 1:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

has

he officially been asked not to participate with the knicks this year?...

by leeac on Jun 27, 2008 1:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No reports of the Tim Thomas treatment yet

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by snley on Jun 27, 2008 1:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's lobbying to play in the Summer League

Eddy Curry apparently wants to play too.

At least they’re interested in getting in shape for D’Antoni ball.

by NBA Observer on Jun 27, 2008 1:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Seriously?? :O

I thought that was reserved for the “Kids”...

by BAB-Bass on Jun 28, 2008 5:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why do we want to "unload" Gooden?

We lose him after the season anyway. He is the only post scorer we have.

by chlutz508 on Jun 27, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think we should halt all Hinrich talk

Until Ben Gordon is dealt with. Why would Kirk be dealt for some bigs if Ben just eventually leaves? That leaves a pretty gaping hole in the backcourt in terms of either scoring or defense.

If Gordon is signed or takes the QO (somehow I doubt he does that), then dealing Hinrich or Noce for a quality big man becomes of utmost importance. I actually am in the camp of keeping Kirk unless it’s for a real good value (Nene would be a good fit as a backup bruiser/banger, but his contract is pretty terrible).

Also, Paxson was in top form on Waddle and Sivly. He went on a nice diatribe against all the “speculated rumors” that go on in the league. And the Miami Heat coach used the phrase “Due dilligence.”

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 27, 2008 11:20 AM CDT   0 recs

We can talk about it

Matt could just add an editorial comment at the end of the post that says “Kirk’s moving trucks cannot leave the dock until Ben Gordon is resigned to an extension”.

Moving Kirk is dependent on securing Gordon. I do not want to enter next season with Hinrich and Hughes as our guards on the bench. 24 million of players I don’t want coming off the bench wants me to see Rose and Thabo play 48 minutes a night.

by NBA Observer on Jun 27, 2008 11:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know I'm getting into sketchy hearsay territory

but supposedly Sam Smith said on the CSN draft show that the Bulls are going to try and aggressively get Gordon’s deal done. Maybe for that purpose.

In general I agree that it’d be nice to have all your bases covered, but what if a great Hinrich deal comes along in the meantime?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 11:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well can't we consider Kirk a unique player on the market?

He has 5 years NBA experience, legit defender, decent offense. Other than Dumars shipping out Billups or Baron Davis opting out, Kirk is probably the best veteran PG available. If teams are asking for him, they would most likely wait it out.

I’m assuming Ben and Lou’s extensions don’t take that long to wrap up. It’s not that difficult, 5/50 million was the offer last year, they both played poorly, the offer shouldn’t be more than 55 million. It sucks that they were lowballed, but now I’m kind of glad we did instead of having to pay Deng 15 million a year.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 27, 2008 11:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why the misinformation?

How would not having low-balled Deng resulted in the Bulls paying him $15/yr?

by tyger1147 on Jun 27, 2008 12:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm saying that had they payed what Deng and Gordon "deserved" in 2007

It would have been more than 10 million a year. Perhaps not as high as 15.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 27, 2008 12:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ahh. My fault then.

Taking into account their youth and potential and production up to that point, yeah, I could have seen them getting $13, maaaaybe $15 per in a different situation, on a different team, etc. Sorry.

by tyger1147 on Jun 27, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah I think Hinrich has value

and is more tradeable than Gordon or Deng for cap reasons if anything.

I think Denver in particular would be a great fit for him.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 12:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

Kirk evenually teams up with J.R Smith..

by exult463 on Jun 27, 2008 3:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They weren't lowballed!

They got “fair value” at the time. The have later proved that they are not worth even that.

Hope your job doesn’t involve any kind of negotiating… ;)

You offer 5/50. They don’t take it and suck the next year. Then you UP the offer??? WTF?

by BAB-Bass on Jun 28, 2008 5:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Chad Ford mentioned New Orleans making a run at BG

Not very appealing in the sign and trade area though and they’re capped out right now.

Link

"Me like to shoot much" - Andres Nocioni

by BNeL21 on Jun 27, 2008 12:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

*in the New Orleans section

"Me like to shoot much" - Andres Nocioni

by BNeL21 on Jun 27, 2008 12:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep

That’s has about a 100% chance of happening.
We’d have to take back some combo of Morris Peterson/Julian Wright/Mike James and draft picks if we sign and trade BG to NO.

"Me like to shoot much" - Andres Nocioni

by BNeL21 on Jun 27, 2008 1:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm just glad you think you're one of those people who is never wrong.

It makes it easier to ignore comments from know-it-alls.

by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2008 5:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha :)

Way to ignore me… ;)

That one comment where I said I was never wrong was supposed to have a ”;)” after it. For fun I decided to leave it out…

by BAB-Bass on Jun 28, 2008 6:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that would

be an even smaller backcourt than rose/gordon…

by leeac on Jun 27, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What about hinrich and noc

for marion?

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on Jun 27, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Would Marion come off the bench?

Would he start at PF?

Adding Marion appears to shake the roster rather than stir it.

by NBA Observer on Jun 27, 2008 2:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If we wanted to forget about developing Tyrus

Bulls could have just selected Beasley.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 27, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But then...

We wouldn’t have Rose. It has been reported in several places that John Paxon tried to aquire Beasley as well as Rose.

Not saying we should ignore TT this year, just saying, crazier shit could happen.

by kidronmusic on Jul 1, 2008 8:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd take it

TT developing … pipe dream. Marion can walk after the season, or resign to reasonable deal.

by exult463 on Jun 27, 2008 3:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs