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The Blazers agreed to send Asik to the Bulls for three future second-round picks. I think Asik could be one of the steals of the second round ... if he ever comes over. He's a hyperactive rebounder and shot-blocker with good athleticism. John Hollinger said his numbers suggest he should've been a top-10 pick. He's a talent, but he may be in Turkey for the next few years developing his game.

From Hollinger in his pre-draft analysis of Euros:

Omer Asik, a Turkish center who played for Fenerbahce Ulker in Istanbul this past season. In 279 Euroleague minutes -- granted, a smallish sample -- his performance projects to 12.2 points and 13.5 boards per 40 minutes, with 52.3 percent shooting and a 15.23 PER. He blocks shots, too, setting a Euroleague Round of 16 record for rejections this year.

He's 22, 7-feet tall with a decent frame and relatively new to the game and still improving. So what's the hang-up? Apparently he signed a five-year deal to stay in Turkey with no buyout, meaning he might not play in the NBA for a long time. That would be a shame. I have little doubt that Asik should be a lottery pick, but the contract issue may leave him as a mid-second rounder.

And here's the DraftExpress.com profile, which says that Asik's current contract is only for 2 years.

(big ups to the commenters for digging a lot of this up)

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Not for 3 3rd rounders. Its like trading 3 for 1 we will get someone else else next year its just a shame that Jordan fell that far and we couldnt snatch him.

by TRiCioNeRo on Jun 27, 2008 12:35 AM CDT   0 recs

Normally, yes

But the Bulls really do have a great deal of under-25 talent. If Paxson is unsure that 2nd-round picks in the next few years will even make the club, then take a flier on the 7-foot hyperactive rebounder and shotblocker from Turkey.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 27, 2008 12:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It sounds like it's Weems + two 2nds

So whatever, we lose the #50 pick the next two seasons, then get Asik on board right after that. It doesn’t hurt us, and everything I read about him makes me think he’s a better prospect than DeAndre anyway.

by YaoPau on Jun 27, 2008 12:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Besides

If there’s a need for draft picks, they can always be acquired from teams trying to save some money.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 27, 2008 1:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We have to wait TWO WHOLE YEARS for the next Khryapa?!?

NOOOOOOOOOO!
/I hope he doesn’t get as homesick as Krappy if he comes over.
//not have Skiles should help
//Krappy had Darko-like handle…meaning none.

by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 27, 2008 12:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

One of the picks we traded(reportedly) was NYKnicks

so that should be a high 2nd rounder, like a #39 again! But I think we all can agree the Bulls need quality, not quantity so if it is indeed like adding a top10 overall(in 2010) its worth a shot. I don’t think the Bulls would have taken Weems for themselves with CDR available(I assume Denver told them who to pick).

by gillrowdy on Jun 28, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont know why

I just love american basketball players this guy seems to be at best Bradley or a poor mans Sabonis. I think Gray is good enough.

by TRiCioNeRo on Jun 27, 2008 12:37 AM CDT   0 recs

well considering Sabonis was pretty remarkable...

though that’s the least of your ‘white people LOLz’ analysis issues.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 12:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sabonis

He was good…. I mean Asik sounds great its just I look at these second rounders like lottery tickets. At best there is a 1% chance this guy will be good but that also says theres a 3% chance that one of those 3 2nd rounders could of been better. If he is Sabonis he should of gone in the top 8 and its a steal but I dont think this guy is it. Sabonis passed way too good, shot threes well, was a decent defender, 50 pounds heavier, 3 inches taller and Bilas’ favorite 10 inches longer.

by TRiCioNeRo on Jun 27, 2008 1:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Noone's compared this guy to Sabonis, except for you

The team is overloaded with young players and, if Gordon and Deng are resigned, getting too close to luxury tax territory. Especially given the recent incident with the Spurs and Splitter, I think you’ll see fewer and fewer under contract Euro’s taken in the first round. This has the potential to be a great move for the Bulls.

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by snley on Jun 27, 2008 1:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And Bradley was 7' 6" walking stick.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 27, 2008 12:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe he was referring to another Bradley

because this guy is nothing like him. A Sabonis in the second sounds great to me, even if we have to wait. If he gets good, we can probably get the team to release him with some cash. Money talks even if the contract says no right now.

Kick it to me... I'm open!

by #23 on Jun 27, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bill Bradley?

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 27, 2008 12:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

based on

a love of American players it would seem. Tell that to the Spurs.

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by cranscape on Jun 27, 2008 7:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Based on like 30 seconds of viewing

And since it’s a 2nd round pick, it really isn’t that big of a deal.

Brush up on your history, Arvydas Sabonis remains one of the biggest “What ifs” in NBA history for coming to the league to late to ever have a legit impact.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 27, 2008 1:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

His per minute numbers were still awesome.

He was probably the most skilled true center in history.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 27, 2008 11:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Imagine playing the 92 Blazers

Terry Porter, Clyde Drexler, Jerome Kersey, Buck Williams, and Sabonis with Cliff Robinson Danny Ainge and Kevin Duckworth off the bench.

That would have been beautiful to watch.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 27, 2008 11:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I called the guy

A poor mans Sabonis at best. Sabonis was great sorry if I confused you. Sabonis was guarding Shaq when he was walking with a cane and did better than alot of people.

by TRiCioNeRo on Jun 27, 2008 1:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sabonis = one of the greatest C's of all-time

It’s too bad no one in America saw it.

by E-Grizzle on Jun 27, 2008 1:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not until it was too late

Even in his later years. He was the one guy who could hold his own against shaq in his prime. Thank you for all the Sabonis love Blog a bullers

President of the Petteri Koponen fan club.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jun 27, 2008 11:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Random Asik tidbit from BallinEurope.com

From April 22:


Ever since Omer Asık arrived at Fenerbahce, he has been lost under the radar as Tanjevic killed his ability to score, and you can call him another victim of the coach as he joins the list next to Preldzic. No NBA for him this year.. Before FB: 35 minutes, 15 points, 11 rebounds. 2 blocks and 2 dimes.. After FB: 20 minutes, 7 points.. The rest is history!

Well I (Christophe) have to add, Omer Asik is now playing for a Top 3 team while playing before for a go-down candidate (Alpella). This may also be a reason. Don’t always blame the coach.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 12:57 AM CDT   0 recs

clearly that last part wasn't me talking

and belongs in the blockquote :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 12:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

heh :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 1:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that blog had one of my favorite all-time comment threads

when the main post used the term ‘dimes’, and it completely threw off most of their readers.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 1:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

bulls completely screwed us.

Actually I think the entire second round (from the 27th pick of the first) has been dictated by other teams for the blazers (Houston hardballed us for Batum). Anyway, if Asik ends up coming over within the next two years, I’d say you guys totally rolled us with this deal.

by premthegrem on Jun 27, 2008 1:29 AM CDT   0 recs

Well, you still have 16 or 17 players on your roster

So it’s not like Arthur, Dorsey, or Asik would’ve made much of a difference. But yes, we rolled you.

by YaoPau on Jun 27, 2008 1:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

dang,

espn indicates that the deal involved only two 2nd rounders instead of three (from the bulls). That definitely cements the thought that we got rolled.

by premthegrem on Jun 27, 2008 2:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Asik's measurements

Asik measured out pretty well. His measurements from Eurocamp, ala nbadraft.net. He at least seems like a big guy with a good body. Maybe a little on the slow side, but not as bad as Aaron Gray.

by Jamaicanpi on Jun 27, 2008 1:53 AM CDT   0 recs

Asik YouTube Clip...

Video Here

About 45 seconds in he hits a free throw.
Anytime somebody’s highlight clip includes them making a foul shot, I’m not that impressed.

But I’ll defer to the experts that are calling this a steal.

by kidronmusic on Jun 27, 2008 2:19 AM CDT   0 recs

I think this clip is just all his touches in one game.

So that would explain the free throw highlight. I hope.

by smash! on Jun 27, 2008 6:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Evidently, we traded Sonny Weems to Denver

Source

Bulls trade Weems to Denver, and 2009 and 2010 2nds to Portland.
Denver trades 2009 2nd rounder to Portland.
Portland trades Asik to Bulls.

by YaoPau on Jun 27, 2008 2:22 AM CDT   0 recs

Portland has 5-6 picks every yr....

they have a 20 man roster lol

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 27, 2008 9:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you got it wrong

Bulls traded Sonny to Denver for a 2009 2nd round pick. I am pretty sure the two trades are not related

by CWhiteman on Jun 27, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You got it wrong....

...in the fact that the Bulls immediately sent that pick along w/ two others to the Blazers for Asik. So yes, they are clearly related.

by tyger1147 on Jun 28, 2008 1:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Man, I really like Hollinger and have defended him many a times

But I sure as hell hope he has more evidence than 279 Euroleague minutes to claim that Asik is a top-10 talent. I have NO problem translating Euroleague results and proclaiming that a player will likely be productive in the NBA, or that a player is likely to develop into a quality NBA player, but 279 minutes? Yeesh.

That said, I am excited for the pick, as the consensus seems to be that he can play, and I have to presume that the Bulls know something about his eventual availability to come over to the NBA. Please, nobody remind me for my past enthusiasm for Dragan Tarlac.

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by Jivas on Jun 27, 2008 7:56 AM CDT   0 recs

Weirdly enough

I also like the fact that we can stash him for a few years – though hopefully not five. The We’ve got enough youth and talent on this team not to further clutter it. Hopefully he comes over later as a stronger, more skilled and experienced 25 y.o. center. I didn’t want to see two rooks on this team!

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by MPG on Jun 27, 2008 8:03 AM CDT   0 recs

im cool with this

its kinda interesting to see that paxson acutally paid attention to other guys while the draft was going on. to give up 3 picks in the second round for this guy means that he gotta be atleast something. and im not sure if u guys know anything about this, but during all the draft talks yesterday, i heard on some raido program about drazen petrovic’s son or nephew? supposdley hes really good. but i cant really find much on him.

All this Hinrich hate, is making me like him more...

by Yibs on Jun 27, 2008 8:44 AM CDT   0 recs

Despite what he says

I’m quite sure Pax wasn’t that conflicted about the Rose/Beasley decision. I’d bet he actually spent the majority of his time trying to figure out what to do with the second rounder.

by paxson43 on Jun 27, 2008 8:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We do have scouts overseas

They should know about all these talents in Europe.

by NBA Observer on Jun 27, 2008 2:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Was i the only

one who was pissed they didnt select CDR with the 2nd rd pick? I mean that was the steal of the draft IMO and we totally dropped the ball for who Sonny Weems who appearantly over night turned into a foreign job we wont see for a few years. I realise we are gaurd heavy but you cannot pass up a kid like CDR, not to mention he and D Rose were teamates last year. Now we get to watch him fill it up for NJ. ;-(

by Bulls4Ever on Jun 27, 2008 9:15 AM CDT   0 recs

We are talking second rounders here

and we already have a roster full of young guys. Likely he would have ended up in d-league anyway. At least in a couple of years when Rose is more comfortable in his role we will have a big guy with experience come in. They talk like he is first round quality. And he doesn’t look like he is a twiggy kind of foreign center like you often see. I don’t mind this pick at all.

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by cranscape on Jun 27, 2008 9:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

CDR wont go to the D-League

But if Pax wants to re-sign Gordon, wich I think he wants, we wouldn’t need CDR for nothing. We already have a lot of guards.
I confess I was a little piss off when Pax selected Weems. But if the all point of that pick was to get Asik, Pax deserves my apologies. We needed a big man and he acquired us one. I just hope he improves his game and when he comes to chitown help us getting that tittle that we want so much

Please Pax!!! Can you trade Hughes???

by bull83 on Jun 27, 2008 9:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

From the little iI've been able to read and watch

it sounds like Asik at least likes to mix it up under the basket. He’s not some 3 point shooting 7 foot euro.

I like that he holds the blocks record for whatever league he’s been playing in—much like Noah set a new ncaa tourny blocks record. He doesn’t solve the post offense issue, but I’ll take interior post defense anytime.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 27, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hopefully, TT will solve (some of) our problems

If not, Pax will use him in a trade to get us that low post scorer…

Please Pax!!! Can you trade Hughes???

by bull83 on Jun 27, 2008 10:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

uh, clearly not for Sonny Weems

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 9:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes...I love the Asik pick

Asik fits a specific role on this team for the future – a true center-sized complement to Joakim Noah at the 5. (Yes, Aaron Gray is a nice player, but he’s not anywhere near so good that you don’t seek an upgrade there). I’m a huge Noah fan, but if he’s your starting 5, you need a reserve with more size and bulk who can play minutes against the Dwight Howards of the world.

The other thing is that I’m a huge fan of interior defense – looking at teams I’d like to consider as a model, such as the Celtics (Garnett, Perkins, P.J. Brown) and the Pistons (R. Wallace, B. Wallace, McDyess, Maxiell, etc.), I have serious visions of Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah anchoring one of the best defenses in the league, and if everything works out as planned then Asik can contribute in this area as well.

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by Jivas on Jun 27, 2008 9:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

problem is...

the Bulls may not either! ;)

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 27, 2008 10:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I like that we passed on CDR

IMO, this draft was all about D Rose, although hopefull this Asik dude turns out pretty decent too. Maybe this was somethign Pax, considered, maybe not, but its just my general thoughts. Rose is coming into a difficult situation. He has so many expectations…to be both a great player and a great leader. That involes really meshing with his new teammates. He is entering a new uncomfortable world, and he needs to make many efforts to adjust and open up and get to know the team. Adding CDR could halt that progress cuz then Rose comes in with a former teammate and he may fall back on him since they know each other rather than spending more time with his new teammates and doing his own thing. Just my $0.02.

Also…am I the only one that was kinda excited about Weems. His highlight videos on Youtube look SICK. He is pretty much identical to TT in athleticism and he can shoot. I realize we have no spot for him on our roster, but I kinda wanted to see this guy develop.

by Pax_4_Prez on Jun 30, 2008 11:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to mention...

...that Asik looks to be much that Gray isn’t. (According to draftexpress per 40 stats) he’s good on the offensive boards, great at shot-blocking at stealing (for a big man), and he gets to the line a lot. Most who’ve seen him say he’s smooth & fluid and hyperactive out there.

Not only does it all sound good, it’s a skill-set that differs significantly from Gray, and in that way certainly worth taking a small risk on.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 27, 2008 9:56 AM CDT   0 recs

Durn

This was supposed to be a reply to Jivas above.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 27, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry I called you a doofus on another board :)

(Just posted…see Obama-related thread).

Immediate post-posting regret.

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by Jivas on Jun 27, 2008 10:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, but I am a doofus.

Don’t sell yourself short on that one!

by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 27, 2008 6:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't know if this was mentioned...

...but ESPN 1000 just said it’s Denver’s (J.R. Smith trade?) and NY’s (Curry Trade?) 2nd Round picks for next year that we gave up. So I think we still have our 2nd round pick unless we traded that in some other trade.

by seang03 on Jun 27, 2008 10:03 AM CDT   0 recs

A couple things are wrong there I think

I believe the pick from Denver was already gone.

And the Bulls did trade their own ‘09 2nd round pick in the Wallace deal.

So it was the Knicks ‘09 pick, plus two of their own from 2010 on.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

re: Denver pick

I’m almost positive they used Denver’s 2007 pick on JamesOn Curry. I don’t remember what happened to the other pick they got in the JR Smith deal, but it’s gone :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 10:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah both the Denver picks were used in '07

July 20, 2006 — Traded J.R. Smith to the Denver Nuggets in exchange for Howard Eisley and two 2007 second-round draft picks from the Nuggets.

http://www.nba.com/bulls/history/alltime_transactions.html

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They just changed the update...

...and said 3 future draft picks so I think they have no idea. This link may have it right,

In the three-team deal, Chicago got center Omer Asik, drafted No. 36 by Portland. The Trail Blazers got Denver’s pick, a 2010 Bulls’ second-round pick and New York’s 2009 second-round pick, which had belonged to Chicago.

by seang03 on Jun 27, 2008 10:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah I'll trust that

so the Bulls have no 2nd round picks in 2009 or 2010.

I’m sure they’ll be picking up some in the offseason.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Denver pick is what they got for sending Denver Sonny Weems.

So essentially the Bulls gave up this year’s 2nd, NYK’s 2009 2nd-round pick and the Bulls’ 2010 2nd-round pick? Sure, that works.

by tyger1147 on Jun 27, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sounds right....

...I don’t know if they even need to pick up more 2nd rounders. As of right now it’s a pretty full roster. They could probably get a 2nd rounder for Shannon Brown or Ced Simmons. I think having Ced as a bench warmer though is better than a 2nd rounder. He has a little upside still.

by seang03 on Jun 27, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

By Jove, I think you've got it!

That leaves the Bulls with their own 2009 2nd round pick and no 2010 2nd rounders. At least if the latest reports of this transaction are true.

by gillrowdy on Jun 28, 2008 9:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i don't even care that much

one criticism was that we gave up 3 second rounders to get this guy or whatever. but we already have a really young team and giving up a couple of 2nd rounders over the next few years isn’t that big of a deal to me.

by Jaina on Jun 27, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and clearly

2nd rounders can be easily acquired.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 27, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs