Draft Day Eve notes
- The O'Neal - Ford deal is all but official
- Denver's pawned off their pick to the Bobcats
- Portland's trying to move up from #13 to #10 (Nets)
I can only assume there will be a LOT more to come throughout Thursday. If you see something, create a fanshot or fanpost, and I'll give it front page love.
It's going to be a great day. Remember, the Bulls have the #1 pick!
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Kevin Pritchard will get it done
now that the Pacers apparently have their PG in Ford (not to mention it will be hard for them to deal Tinsley so he may be stuck on that roster), I doubt they’d draft Augustin. Here comes Portland, desperate for a young PG and who better than the Nash wanna be in DJ to run with Roy, LMA, and Oden? Pritchard has to get this done, or he’ll have to end up dealing Outlaw and/or Webster to get that PG.
by messwiththebull on Jun 25, 2008 11:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I demand we put a hiatus on all Kevin Pritchard love
He’s a whore playing with Paul Allen’s money, stockpiling assets, involving himself in a billion trade scenarios.
They’re going to end up getting Augustin and Rudy Fernandez will be the Spanish Kobe Bryant, and I will pray Kevin Durant drops 60 on them every time they play on ESPN.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even mind the Blazers, but I still enjoyed that post.
by potato0328 on Jun 25, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Blazers fan
and I enjoyed that post. It was[is?] pretty awesome.
[Not as much of a Blazers fan as a Bulls fan, but still.]
by Prevenge on Jun 25, 2008 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a Blazers fan
but I have to acknowledge a pro-active GM who has made seemingly prescient moves. The point is that I think Augustin lands on Portland when it’s all said and done.
by messwiththebull on Jun 26, 2008 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think he could get us the No. 2 from Miami
for some of our talent?
by hlac on Jun 25, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's trade
Paxson for Pritchard! Woooooooo!
by Prevenge on Jun 26, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feeling very good about tomorrow
Pretty likely the pick will be Rose, and if it’s Beasley I’ll be happy regardless.
Well, for the 5th(or more?) time since 1998 the Bulls will be trying to reboot the franchise and create a future championship contender. Normally, I’d bemoan that kind of Clippers-esque futility, but screw it. D. Rose and the trades of Nocioni and Hughes or bust!
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 11:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thank goodness we have the #1 pick
i don’t envy the rest of the teams in lottery for sure
good day to be in chicago tomorrow
Rose '08
by Orange Juice on Jun 25, 2008 11:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Huge day for the franchise and its fans.
The importance of this selection (and the subsequent development and performance of the player selected) cannot be overstated.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!
by 1958ChiTown on Jun 25, 2008 11:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems like it's been forever since the lottery!
I’ve actually cleared tomorrow completely to sit at home and watch the draft news roll in. Kind of pathetic, but it’s not like I was going to get anything else done anyway.
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
by wjb1492 on Jun 25, 2008 11:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm checking draft news and BaB while at work. I'm leaving early to make sure I do not
miss a second of the 6 PM pre-draft show. This is a big night for Chicago!!!!
by chgobr on Jun 26, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha that's great
"There is no 'i' in team, but there is in win."
--23
by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 26, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Orleans traded their #1 pick to Portland too
What an odd move for both teams to make. New Orleans has no bench and doesn’t have the money to add a decent free agent. I figured they could use a late first rounder more than any other top team. Portland has talent that runs 12 deep already, I can’t imagine why they think they can add an impact player that late.
by YaoPau on Jun 25, 2008 11:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Must have figured there was no one worth their time
I don’t see why they couldn’t have just drafted Bill Walker. But, Portland can’t even draft someone with that pick, they are clearly using the the 13th and 27th picks, and LaFrentz as a way to somehow acquire their starting PG.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blazers collecting picks for someone
They have a full roster as is. Unless they are trying to move existing players then they are piling picks to acquire someone. The last thing the Blazers need is more rookies.
What they need is a vet PG that can enter the roster right away and contribute. His name is Kirk HInrich.
Trade him after July 1st though.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Blazer fan droppin' by
to give a little congrats. Enjoy it ….it is a blast having the #1 pick overall. I hope Rose is the bomb!
Take care
GO says " Sir, you fornicated vertically…observe the consequences!
by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2008 11:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised Phoenix hasn't sold their pick yet
They bitch and moan every year about not having enough depth (and they essentially fired their coach because they thought he didn’t play enough people off the bench), yet they never seem to make the connection between having no depth and giving away their draft picks every year. Maybe their “cash considerations” can guard Duncan in the playoffs.
by Big D on Jun 25, 2008 11:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They are going to need a big man to supplant Shaq while he takes half the season off
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should have more time to work out,
now that he’s being relieved of all his “Officer Shaq” badges.
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
by wjb1492 on Jun 25, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's still like half a day until the draft.
Maybe if there’s someone we like we can give them Cedric Simmons for it, I mean, he’s pretty awesome. Or like $1 million, though I doubt Reinsdorf would agree to that.
by Prevenge on Jun 26, 2008 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New boss
I think this is Kerr’s first draft as GM. Certainly the first without D’Antoni and Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can use their pick this year
They don’t have to hand out dumb extensions to Boris Diaw this offseason.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone here have any idea what Pat Riley might
be up to right now? How is he benefitting from the way Beasley is getting dogged right now? The whole thing seems strange.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 25, 2008 11:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm probably way off, but I'm kind of believing him about not wanting Beasley
Not that I agree with him on that, by any means. But if he’s considering a trade with Seattle, who reportedly would love to get Beasley, there is a pretty good logic to working out Bayless as well as Mayo. If he decides Bayless is good enough for him, there’s no risk in dropping to #4 and watching Minnesota take Mayo.
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
by wjb1492 on Jun 26, 2008 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's true
why wouldn’t he go for JWill and the 2nd for Kirk—on July 9th?
Unless we wouldn’t. And if we wouldn’t does that mean we take Beasley?
by hlac on Jun 26, 2008 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I would think he could get a better package.
Plus, I just don’t understand not taking Beasley in that spot, all the other players after 2 look like a real crap shoot.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 26, 2008 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this
Pax really hasn’t made up his mind
If it’s Beasely we don’t do anything until after Gordon/Deng get resolved.
If it’s Rose we try and make a deal, some way, to get Beasley also.
by hlac on Jun 26, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with both of you that it doesn't make sense in general,
it’s just the only way the two secretive workouts fit together in any logical way to me. Bayless isn’t that high on a lot of boards, either, so maybe it’s even to trade down further to 5, or even 7 figuring Bayless will be there. What if he could get Brand and Bayless while dumping a big salary?
Having two players in for late workouts seems a little extreme (not to mention tough on Mayo and Bayless) if all the Beasley stuff is just a smokescreen to keep the Bulls away or drive up interest in other teams to trade up. But if he’s just in love with Mayo and considering taking him straight up at #2, why have Bayless in as well?
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
by wjb1492 on Jun 26, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because apparently Riley is now in love with Bayless
He was amazing in his workout, and they think he could evolve into a Billups kind of player, which is a very good complement for Wade in the backcourt.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2008 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Riley drafts Bayless straight up at #2, we'll get to watch the talking heads explode.
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
by wjb1492 on Jun 26, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly Riley couldn't be that crazy
If he doesn’t take Beasley, he trades down and picks at number 5, giving Memphis Beasley and allowing those poor souls to actually win the lottery.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2008 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was trying to say, although not very succinctly
He works out Mayo and Bayless, because if he really wants Mayo he can probably only drop to #3, but if Bayless is close enough in his opinion (or better for all I know) he suddenly has a lot more flexibility in which teams he can deal with. Which all logically fits with him truly not wanting Beasley, but I still have trouble wrapping my mind around that.
Maybe he just really secretly wants to make sure Spoelstra fails.
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
by wjb1492 on Jun 26, 2008 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's one of the worst packages I've read on the internet
seriously, Beasley for that garbage, c’mon, man, use logic. To even have a July chance at B-Easy, realistically you’d have to give up Deng (via S&T), Hinrich, and take on Blount’s contract in return.
by messwiththebull on Jun 26, 2008 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I can say is that I'll be happy when it's over with
I know it’s gonna be Rose already, now I’m looking forward to July to see what’s up with the rest of the team
by Option27 on Jun 26, 2008 12:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea, the next big day will be July 6 I believe.
Because the Bulls and Heat have a summer league game and I would think that Rose v Beasley, even in the summer league will be pretty fun to see. Especially if Rose is gonna play with Noah and Thomas like i’ve heard.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 26, 2008 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you enjoying being in the majority this year, and liking who the pick will probably be?
Far cry from Yi last year, huh?
If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.
by wjb1492 on Jun 26, 2008 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Well I’m sure if we had to pick between Oden and Durant last year, I wouldn’t have been as high on Yi.
Keep in mind, I still think Yi is going to be really really good =)
by Option27 on Jun 26, 2008 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Alexander is going to dominate him
Yi doesn’t have a chance of impressing Skiles with his basketball skills, Joe and Skiles are soul mates.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2008 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that.
Yi is a jump shooting power forward that isn’t a great rebounder. It’s Joe Smith/Allen vs. Nocioni.
formerly sbulls
by Scotter on Jun 26, 2008 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
17 hours
1 Rose 2 Beasley 3 Mayo 4 Payless 5 Love. Who else thinks were moving Kirk by 9pm et?
by TRiCioNeRo on Jun 26, 2008 12:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No chance Hinrich moves.
Pax is gonna wait it out and see what happens with BG and Deng.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 26, 2008 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He pretty much has to
Oh lowly regrets.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was it...was it Bucher?
Who came out with the story about the Bulls players being upset with Boylan for continuing to start Kirk over Duhon?
If there’s any truth to it, I think the team would not be at all upset with a new starter at the point.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on Jun 26, 2008 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, but has Bucher ever reported anything that actually happened?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 26, 2008 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahaha
"There is no 'i' in team, but there is in win."
--23
by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 26, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucher said last night that the Bulls were going to draft Rose.
Period.
Maybe he knows something we don’t.
by swede2287 on Jun 26, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most likely not
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on Jun 26, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we do
what happens to Kirk’s first golf tourney on Monday?
by hlac on Jun 26, 2008 1:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
July 1st is Tuesday
:)
I question the timing.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know I hated the idea of O' Neal playing here.
but now that he’s been traded I kinda wish we traded for him. If we moved Hinrich and Gooden and brought him in it coulda worked out well. Cap space for 2010 and a low post scorer in the meantime. Really no drawbacks to it, unless there is a better deal currently out there involving Kirk that hasn’t been reported yet.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 26, 2008 1:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kirk would fit right in...
those people in indiana sure do love their share of austin crosheres, rik smits, and jeff fosters….kirk could def be mayor one day out there if he plays his cards right….
by chicagosports23 on Jun 26, 2008 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, way to throw out the Hoosiers are racists meme.
They tend to think pretty highly of Reggie Miller and Oscar Robertson too
by Sports2 on Jun 26, 2008 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like Gooden more than O'Neal
both expiring contracts, Gooden doesn’t have a mangled leg.
"There is no 'i' in team, but there is in win."
--23
by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 26, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel really confident about Gooden and Thomas at the 4.
Unless Nocioni or Deng get significant playing time at PF (which is possible if the team runs and VdN is weird), I think they’ll be Top-3 in some metric of production (WoW?) out of all 30 NBA teams.
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a nice yin and yang
Thomas with his crazy athleticism and defense, Gooden with his available low post skills. I just don’t think we should expect too much out of Drew, he’s pissed off tons of people waiting for him to be that kind aggressive low post player he portrays once a week.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not expecting much. Maybe just what he did last year.
It’s not great by any means. Thomas is the bigger contributor of the two, of course. I just think Drew Gooden is “starting caliber” (sometimes) and maybe it will work out well. Maybe.
by tyger1147 on Jun 26, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose (if the Bulls pick him) at the Cell this weekend?
Probably… Imagine the ovation he’d get. I remember Gordon, Deng, and Duhon throwing out the first pitch for the Sox soon after they were drafted, but it might have been after their press conference. I’m not sure how strict the Bulls will be about showing off Rose until after his press conference, but I have a feeling he’ll make an appearance. If they draft Beasley, then…... maybe not.
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 26, 2008 1:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking the same thing!
Right in the middle of the Cubs/Sox series, it’s the perfect scenario.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 26, 2008 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ovation would undoubtedly be electric.
by RogersPark Kris on Jun 26, 2008 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few more years down the road, and still not cetain yet....
but how cool would it be if Chicago hosts the Olympics in 2016…. and Rose is the starting PG on the U.S. team? Dream scenario as well.
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 26, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beeeaasslleeeyyy!!!!
The No 1 Chi -Town sports fan in Europe!
by Vangelis on Jun 26, 2008 5:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We Rose boosters will help you recover
It will be painless.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will there be live online coverage?
I’m not in a position to watch american TV… :(
by BAB-Bass on Jun 26, 2008 6:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Check nba.com and espn.com
I’m sure both will have some sort of live blogging going on if not live video.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on Jun 26, 2008 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant live video :)
I’m expecting BaB to be here in full force but I’d just like to see it as well… :)
by BAB-Bass on Jun 26, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
without a doubt
people will be commenting here, and on message boards across the internet like http://www.basketballforum.com or http://www.realgm.com. You’ll get play by play in lots of places.
Also, check ESPN radio for coverage over the internet. And NBA.COM will likely have realtime updates and possibly interviews added all night long.
by KT on Jun 26, 2008 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try ESPN ASIA on P2P
I’m not on that position either, but I will try to see the draft that way. At least, this site says that ESPN ASIA is going to show the draft. If you have the software, maybe you and I get lucky. I anxious to hear David Stern say: With the number one pick of the 2008 NBA Draft, the Chicago Bulls select… DERRICK ROSE!!!
YYYEEEEEEAAAHHHHHHHH!!!
Please Pax!!! Can you trade Hughes???
by bull83 on Jun 26, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then we're waiting to hear the same thing.. ;)
I’ve had problems with P2P before… :-/
by BAB-Bass on Jun 26, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, me too
I’m not 100% sure that this will happen, but I will search on every channel available until I find one. Last year I saw on a spanish channel, but this year I don’t have that possibility. And the idiots of the portuguese tv don’t give a damm about the draft :s
Please Pax!!! Can you trade Hughes???
by bull83 on Jun 26, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
espn360.com might be worth a shot.
They had all the espn covered playoff games on there.
by CrashDavis on Jun 26, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should be able to watch it
here.
formerly sbulls
by Scotter on Jun 26, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should I try one channel in particularly?
Or do I have to search every one of them?
Please Pax!!! Can you trade Hughes???
by bull83 on Jun 26, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come draft time
WOME 1 should be a channel that’s available.
formerly sbulls
by Scotter on Jun 26, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About other trades
Good job Indy. They got their point guard and another pick for a player that they wanted to rid themselves of anyway. Now they can use one pick on potential & still get a solid role player.
Good job Denver. MJ got screwed by Kiki if that protected lottery pick isn’t top 19 protected. Denver wins twice. They don’t have to spend $ on a draft pick this year, and I guarentee the pick coming back is going to be better than 20.
by Jesse07 on Jun 26, 2008 7:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here's the protection on the pick from Charlotte
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/06/exactly-what-di.html
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 26, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hollinger on the JO - TJ swap
The part that I liked was this:
The trade can’t be completed until July 9, however, because Ford is a base-year compensation player until the first day that next season’s cap rules kick in (July 1), and so the trade won’t work under the cap until then. From then until July 9, the league has a moratorium on trades and signings. Given all that, the trade won’t be official for a fortnight.Instead, this will be the trade that everybody knows about but nobody acknowledges publicly. There will be no announcements or news conferences and it might mess with some summer-league plans. But the teams are exchanging medical information, and right now everything appears to be a go.
By the way, this delay also means there are still two weeks for other teams to get in on this trade and make it more than a two-way deal.
So worrying about Kirk’s(now the most coveted PG on the market?) BYC in a potential trade is apparently a mute point. And it also means Toronto will be drafting under Indiana’s orders. I think it was discussed in a previous fanpost that I couldn’t find about if this was possible.
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by BNeL21 on Jun 26, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dynamite
This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. Thanks.
Matt: Toronto’s #17 pick is involved so they’d be selecting the player the Pacers want.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, I'm aware :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 26, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean a *moot* point
That’s a good malapropism. I haven’t seen that one before.
John Paxson has been like family to me. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother, who also was unable to pull off any deals for superstar free agents or hire a top-notch coach.
by preverbal on Jun 26, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad I could give you a chuckle
"Me like to shoot much" - Andres Nocioni
by BNeL21 on Jun 26, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Own CRAZY TALK
as the draft approaches, i can’t help but to wonder how a team can pass on a player that has unanimously been labeled a future superstar in beasley. the trend right now in the nba has moved away from big men in the last few years and shifted towards the importance of uptempo shifty point guards to ignite offenses. the bulls have hinrich, who, although is an above average floor leader, seems to lack the ability to… well… create.
in my own (perhaps not so) crazy scenario, the bulls swap #1 and #2 draft picks this year with miami, and in the process also receive miami’s 2010 #1 draft pick in return. with the #2 pick, the bulls draft michael beasley. the bulls then use a newly redundant big, such as a thomas, noc or a gooden in a package deal to memphis to pick up one of their talented point guards and take some of their poor contracts, such as a cardinal. it doesn’t resolve the glut of guards, but it does resolve the perceived lack of pg ability, and we pick up arguably the best player to come out of college in a long time. the existing frontcourt of thomas/ gooden/ noah, although adequate, will not amount to much if thomas and noah don’t pick up the somewhat important ability to create their own shots.
ok, now i’m just doing some 11th hour rambling.
the pick remains rose.
by leeac on Jun 26, 2008 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cold feet
assuming rose is all that he is touted to be, do the bulls have the right pieces to allow him to excel? he will (presumably) have a great shooting guard to drive and dump to, but his 3 is a pull up jump shooter, and his 4 & 5 are still trying to figure out the game offensively. there is something to be said about a unit (or core) growing and learning together, but if we pick up rose, how many years away are we from competing for a conference title?
is the path shorter if we pick up a beasley, and then a comparable pg via trade?...
by leeac on Jun 26, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are no comparable point guards
that we could get. That’s what makes Paul, Williams – and potentially Rose – so valuable.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jun 26, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Beasley becomes the 2nd coming of Larry Johnson
He’ll be a great player, but that’s not the kind of guy you can build a team around. His talents are unique, but not something that can be used as a cornerstone of a franchise, especially one that is desperate for leadership and on-court accountability.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah Larry
Good comparison. Hadn’t considered this before and the ESPN writers weren’t helping me get there. Maybe Sam Smith thought of this one.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah for all the Derrick Coleman talk
He could just as easily be LJ, who was a brash whippersnapper as well, and a dominant 6’7 PF before injuries skewed his career.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never liked the DC comparison.
Coleman was always one of the bigger guys on the floor…I mean you could pick him out just by his size.
I think the Mark Aguirre comparison is a lot closer—in size and also in their games.
And remember, eventually, Aguirre found his way onto Isiah’s team and was a big part of their winning both championships.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on Jun 26, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I hadn’t heard that one.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 26, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because LJ's athletic dominance only lasted for like 2 years
On another note, for all the conspiracy talk, I can’t be swayed from thinking that Stern rigged the draft lotteries from 91-93 in order for the Hornets and Magic to become viable franchises. In that 3 season span the Hornets acquired LJ and Mourning, and Orlando got Shaq and Penny Hardaway.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about
a marcus fizer comparison?... just saw an article on espn on how he was selected as one of the worst lottery picks. they make reference to how this power forward measured much shorter in the predraft workouts than advertised, and the bulls selected him anyway… even though they didn’t need a pf… and fizer winds up starting 35 games in his nba career…
by leeac on Jun 26, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fizer wasn't this dominant in college at Iowa State
He was good, but Beasley has been far better. I think the Johnson comparison works so much better. People forget how good he was at the PF spot despite being 6’7. He could score in the paint, and after a few years started hitting the 3 pretty accurately. We could be all sour on Beasley because Paxson probably won’t pick him, but I think he’s going to be an All-Star for years.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he could be Grand-ma-ma lol
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
by YEP on Jun 26, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose is appearing in all three pictures
in the pic-sequence on bulls.com…
I’ll take this as a sign! (until 01:00 my time…)
:D
by BAB-Bass on Jun 26, 2008 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ughhh
“But Deron didn’t jump into this overnight. His first year, he didn’t start most of the season. Utah had a little bit longer-range view on him. Whether it’s us or Miami, I think the same thing applies for Derrick.
by Option27 on Jun 26, 2008 12:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That can't bee too much of a surpriseto you
Young PGs usually make mistakes.
by Jobu on Jun 26, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Sloan Effect
Sloan doesn’t like to throw rookies right into the system unless he is left with no other choice. Factor in the PG handles the both most of the time and the reservations in terms of rushing the development grow larger.
There’s articles out there about Deron trying to push Sloan to trust him sooner with play calling and getting a bucket without a drawn up play.
by NBA Observer on Jun 26, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And now the Sloan/Deron relationship
is about as good as any coach/player relationship in the league. Sloan has said many times that Deron understands the game as well as anyone he’s ever coached—and clearly, that’s saying a lot.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on Jun 26, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And because of that Deron has that freedom to improvise or take over the game when needed
Shocking how well a player can develop when the coaching staff is behind him 100%.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at Williams minutes
He was handcuffed in the 1st half of the season, but after the All Star break, he was routinely playing over 30 minutes a game, and started the last 26 games of the season. Obviously he had to prove to Sloan he could run his offense effectively over the course of the season, because he was starting early on, then was put back on the bench. Since the Bulls have no set offensive gameplan like Sloan had, I doubt Rose will be handcuffed like that unless he really struggles.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know
I want him to start from the get go to learn from them though
by Option27 on Jun 26, 2008 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yi for Jefferson
I like that for the Bucks. I’ve thought that CharlieV is a better option at the 4, and now the Bucks have their pick plus Jefferson.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on Jun 26, 2008 2:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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