Jermaine O'Neal to Raptors for Ford and 17th pick

6 months ago Orlando Woolridge Comment 36 comments 0 recs |

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I can't believe I'm so disappointed to see O'Neal taken off the market

BTW, correction for your post, it’s the 17th pick, not the 27th

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by snley on Jun 25, 2008 4:27 PM CDT 0 recs

corrected

"There is no 'i' in team, but there is in win."

--23

by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 25, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up 0 recs

Not in any of the ESPN headlines yet

Does this mean Indiana doesn’t take Augustin, which means Portland gets him at 13?
That’s a nice trade for Toronto. Ford was being annoying for them anyways, might as well bring in someone who actually knows how to play D. Hell, couldn’t they play Bargagni at SF now?

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 4:35 PM CDT 0 recs

maybe

but we all need to put maximum effort into making them believe Nocioni has to man that spot

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up 0 recs

lol

That golden Noce for Ford trade died a quick death, didn’t it?

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up 0 recs

I actually thought it was a much better trade for the Pacers

TJ Ford is a very good PG (even if he does have that breaky-neck thingy) and he frees them up to be able to draft best player available with their now two first round picks. Rasho is a big body to occupy the JO vacuum and expires soon, on top of all that they got another pick in the draft which had been a goal of theirs. Not to mention, they got out from JO’s terrible contract and won’t be handcuffed by him missing half the season again this year. Great deal for the Pacers. Not sure how it really helps Toronto, other than that for the 40-50 games JO actually plays he’ll be a nice defensive presence next to Bosh to make up for Bosh’s thin frame and perimeter-orientated game.

by fundamentallysound on Jun 25, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up 0 recs

I just thought they could get more value for TJ Ford

by fundamentallysound on Jun 25, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up 0 recs

it's a huge expiring contract for the summer of 2010

"There is no 'i' in team, but there is in win."

--23

by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 25, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up 0 recs

Not that LeBron or Wade would want to go to Canada.

They already have Bosh.

Plus, Rasho was coming off the books this year, so they’ll be paying about $3 mil more this year and $14 mil more next year to get out from under Ford’s contract (saving a total of about a million).

Although, I guess it does give them a huge trading chip over the next year and a half. It’s a weird trade. Oh well.

by tyger1147 on Jun 25, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up 0 recs

Nah, not really

Ford’s nerve problems are never going away.

Plus, he ends up being a big pain to the team he’s on. Great the first year, then a locker room issue. At least that was the word in Milwaukee (which keeps having locker room issues), and in Toronto last season.

by KT on Jun 25, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yep

I must have wrote it on one of the threads on this trade that got hidden, but I don’t get this at all for the Pacers.

They get some salary cap relief, but honestly, not very much. O’Neal has had his issues, but a talented big man with knee issues can lose a lot off his game and still be a very effective player (Camby, McDyess, Patrick Ewing, Amare, etc). Most of those guys tend to get over it.

Even at less than what he was he’s a scoring, shot-blocking big man on a team that really needs someone who can defend the basket (because their perimeter defenders are crummy).

Ford, on the other hand, is a hit away from never playing again, and he was hardly a top flight PG before that. So I think Larry Bird got rooked. The salary cap savings they’re getting aren’t that good.

by Sports2 on Jun 26, 2008 7:35 AM CDT up 0 recs

Could be playing in Milwaukee is the locker room issue...

by iBurkey on Jun 26, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up 0 recs

I think both teams did ok, but I like it especially for the Pacers

They need younger players. With Ford and 2 draft picks, they can at least start to get some assets on the roster. Plus, if you read Indy Cornrows (and you should!), it’s almost the sense that just getting O’Neal out of town signifies a new direction for the franchise. I think everyone was pretty sick of the constant drama (injury related and otherwise).

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up 0 recs

also

worst-case scenario, at least Ford’s contract is insured. Not like he’s Eddy Curry or anything :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up 0 recs

also...I'm not sure O'Neal's not a huge health risk...

a 6’ 11” 260 pound guy with a knee that’s already taken a year longer than expected to recover from a supposedly minor cartilage operation.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 25, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yeah I think Jermaine was the last brawl-related player on the team

Aside from David Harrison and TJ Ford being a pain in the ass for them in no less than 2 seasons, their roster would make Paxson envious with their squeaky cleanliness.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

nah they still have "two-guns" Tinsley and "StickyIcky" Daniels

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up 0 recs

Oh wow that's an oversight

Indianapolis clubs still cower in fear.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up 0 recs

how about a starting five of

Rasho, Dunleavy, Murphy, Diener, and Foster for the Pacers?

"There is no 'i' in team, but there is in win."

--23

by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 25, 2008 5:32 PM CDT 0 recs

That's a helluva whitewash there.

I love it!

"Me like to shoot much" - Andres Nocioni

by BNeL21 on Jun 25, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up 0 recs

I knew Indiana was a little regressive

But I didn’t really the Klan was still so active down I-65 — well, at least not until you hit Louisville.

by jpx7 on Jun 26, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up 0 recs

didn't realize*

by jpx7 on Jun 26, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up 0 recs

I made a FanShot of this before I realized this one was posted...

...but this is a good example of how to trade Hinrich for a draft pick. Um… I think.

Sources told ESPN The Magazine’s Ric Bucher that the Pacers and the Raptors have agreed to a deal that, pending physicals, would send Jermaine O’Neal to Toronto in exchange for T.J. Ford, Rasho Nesterovic and the No. 17 pick in Thursday’s NBA draft.
Ford’s contract makes him a “base-year compensation” player, meaning the trade cannot be completed until July 9.

Although I believe Paxson when he says that he won’t “worry” about trades too much until he knows who, and for how long, Gordon and Deng will be in Chicago.

by tyger1147 on Jun 25, 2008 8:12 PM CDT 0 recs

Yeah Indiana can actually add some good players now

By all accounts Augustin will be there at 11, and they can take a project like Anthony Randolph at 17 if he’s available, or Kosta Koufus and get a solid big man.

The road to mediocrity starts!

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

wow, pretty strange

this isn’t as crazy as the idea of working in RFAs with draft picks, It’s encouraging that there is some precedent for holding off trades ‘officially’ until BYC expires.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up 0 recs

It's definitely the solid precedent a few of us were curious about.

As you said, still different than the RFA’s, but it’s something. I s’pose it also shows that unofficial trades can at least happen.

by tyger1147 on Jun 25, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up 0 recs

I think that happened with Steve Francis too

He refused to play in Vancouver when they drafted him in 1999, but they didn’t trade him until a month or two after the draft (before he signed his rookie contract, I’m pretty sure). So it’s definitely possible, if pretty rare (since teams rarely want to trade guys they just drafted).

by Big D on Jun 25, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

Lebron has

got to be pissed about this.

by YaoPau on Jun 25, 2008 9:59 PM CDT 0 recs

Meh who could they offer?

Delonte West?

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up 0 recs

Ben Wallace!

by Big D on Jun 25, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up 0 recs

so is

jermanie or bosh gonna play the center spot?
and does indiana still have tinsely too?

All this Hinrich hate, is making me like him more...

by Yibs on Jun 26, 2008 8:34 AM CDT 0 recs

J.O. at center

and yes they have Tinsley, for 3 more seasons.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 26, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up 0 recs

Tim Floyd sure coached some real winners there at Iowa State

The most successful NBA player from his tenure there is Paul Shirley.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up 0 recs

Not true

“The Mayor” Fred Hoiberg played under Floyd at ISU as well.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Jun 26, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up 0 recs

Is PAXSON DRunk

\Isnt kirk hinrich resume more impressive then tj ford and im sure drew goodens offensive rebounding is underrated not trying to give gooden more probs thens neccesary but what im saying is kirk hinrich and gooden sounds better then tj ford and nesterovich for jermain oneal, funny how chicago lets kg, kobe, paul gasol and oneal all slip away and funny how all of them are all-stars something we havnt had since 1998, so what im sayin is if pax new he would take rose y not trade kirk and gooden for joneal

"Please can I wear a Headband" said Kirk Hinrich

by danny c on Jun 26, 2008 10:28 PM CDT 0 recs