Miami Not Taking Beasley
by smash! on Jun 25, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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PrintESPN is reporting what many have been speculating- the Heat appear to be exploring many options with their 2nd pick and none of those appear to end with Beasley playing in Miami next year. This is all based on the assumption that the Bulls will take Rose with the #1.
Though the Bulls will likely take Rose, they clearly are infatuated with both. So I find it incredible that the Heat don't have an interest in Beast, and even more confounding that they're positioning themselves for either Mayo or Bayless. Reports even go so far as to suggest that if Miami can't swing a deal to grab a lower pick (3-5) plus some other pieces, they'll nab Mayo (or less likely Bayless) straight-up. More interesting details can be found in the article.
I find myself, a vociferous Rose-lover and self-proclaimed realist, dumbfounded by the disinterest in Beast and wondering how the Bulls could swing a deal and land both. As Sam Smith reported earlier, the Bulls have made overtures to the Heat in an attempt to acquire the #2, but the Heat weren't interested in whatever the Bulls were selling unless it included a high 2008 draft pick.
Let the discussions on how the Bulls could make 2 trades in the next 2 days and end up with the 2 top players in 2008 begin!
Update: To completely contradict my headline, if the Heat trade the pick they will first have to officially draft Beasley, then trade him. So they very well may take Beasley, but he shouldn't get too comfortable in that Heat hat. An NBA rule dictates you can't trade your draft pick 2 straight years and they already traded next year's away for Blount & Ricky Davis. (How'd that work out for ya Riles?)
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This has 3-way deal written all over it
Although i’m not sure how a deal involving Hinrich, Deng and maybe Gooden wouldn’t be appetizing to the Heat. Right there you have Wade’s cast of characters with Shawn Marion, it just seems perfect. I guess Miami wants the pick cause they don’t want to add contracts cause they want to go after Brand or Boozer eventually. Really though, something seems fishy about this whole thing and it doesn’t help that Pat Riley is manning the ship.
Hinrich, Deng, and Gooden??
For who?? not d-wade.
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Follow the link tyger left for you
It even has it in bold lettering for you.
Deng and Gordon cannot be traded before or on draft night
Neither can be traded until the free agent signing period begins.
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I hope that was a joke.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Bulls have to get Memphis involved
Heat don’t want a pick. With Marion negotiations stalled on an extension their cap picture means they have to get a pick.
Bulls would have to be willing to take Brian Cardinal’s contract as part of any 3 way deal. If not Cardinal, it will be Mark Blount.
Did you just say...
...that the Heat don’t want a pick and they HAVE to get a pick in consecutive sentences? I think you did. Although I’m absolutely certain I didn’t understand your nuance.
Clarification
The Heat do not WANT a draft pick. They NEED a draft pick. The reason for this is Marion exercising his 17 mil and change player option.
They’re not going to get anyone that could produce at a rookie contract rate like Mayo or Bayless through trades.
by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
What about 3rd pick?
I know this is going to be regarded as heresy around here, but I want Mayo. I wonder if the Bulls have talked to the TWolves about the third pick. Minnesota is thin at every position (except for Baby Al) and I wonder if some combination of Hinrich, Hughes, Gordon or Deng, and next year’s pick would appeal to them. If the Bulls got the third pick, we could get Mayo or Beasley, depending on what happens in Miami. Both outcomes would be fine with me.
yeah....
I want Mayo…
But Gordon and Deng can’t be traded till July,and even then, it will be a sign and trade, which means that they can refuse.
Minny will have enough offers for the #3 that they won’t take a wink and a handshake kind of deal that’s contingent on getting Gordon or Deng to sign in July.
I really don't get this either.
That is, Miami not wanting Beasley. I understand the risk, but they aren’t asking him to be a leader or anything the Bulls would be asking. Granted, Marion is a risk to leave next year and Wade two years after that, but friggin take Beasley as your 3rd option and be elated.
Heighten your awareness
Beasley carries all kinds of questions that few teams are willing to wait around for him to answer. They’re not seeing any answers in his workouts.
by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
or heighten it even moreso
this is all crap, and Riley is an evil genius.
I don’t think it’s far-fetched that he isn’t enamored with Beasley. But I think it’ll take a lot more than what the Bulls could offer to make him budge.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Riley may have a history of being "shadey"
But flat out lying to top rated draft pick simply to hope that his coveted player falls to him ( even though by all accounts the Bulls are taking Rose anyways) just doesn’t make sense in this case.
by RogersPark Kris on Jun 25, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
The shadiness isn't about trying to get Rose
How would spreading word that he’s not interested in Beasley help Riley get Rose anyways? It’s about trying to drum up interest in the second pick. If teams believe that Riley doesn’t want the pick, they’ll be more likely to make offers for it. The more offers that are made for the pick, the more competition, and then the greater in value the offers become as the teams interested try to outbid each other.
I’d still be willing to wager that Beasley ends up going to Miami and staying there. The questions about Beasley are no worse than those about Odom whom Riley was willing to spend millions on just a few years ago.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
No, but he also isn't "Riley's type of player" just like Beasley is labeled
Granted, it’s not a perfect comparison as Odom had some time in the NBA to prove he could handle the lifestyle. Still, it’s ridiculous to think that Riley wouldn’t take Beasley because he’s not made in the mold of Ewing, Oakley, or Zo.
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I agree with your pts.
I was just kind of thinking out loud trying to make sense out of Riles ways. As I said in the post, I have no idea how he can pass on just taking Beasley…
Riles is trying to elevate the stock of Mayo
He’s jockeying to get offers from teams that want to move up to get Beasley AND teams that want to move up to get Mayo.
He controls the supply. So he’s just trying to increase the number of buyers.
by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
riles is a smart dude man
even though he’s older than dirt, his GM game is right up there with the colangelo’s ..etc
to be honest, the only potential subversive move that riley might be making would be...
pretending to want rose and not want beasley in the hopes that will help confirm pax’s belief in the rose pick so that riley could get beasley, the player he truly wants. but that is still so far-fetched i find it easily dismissable.
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by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
He is a 6'8" combo forward
that is why his stock is slipping a bit. Also Mayo is a perfect fit to play in the backcourt with Wade. He can shoot the lights out of the ball and at 6’5’’ he can guard twos and give Wade a break on defense.
Is that correct?
My understanding of that draft rule was that a team couldn’t be out of the first round for two consecutive years. I thought it was okay to trade consecutive first round picks, as long as you get another first round pick in one of the years back in a deal, and make the pick. In that case the Bulls could trade next year’s #1 to the Heat, to replace the one they’ve already traded away.
Armchair GM confirms, yet confuses this: “Each team in the league is NOT required to make at least one selection during the entire draft, HOWEVER THE league rules prohibit a team from trading away future first-round picks in consecutive years…..Note, however, that this rule only requires each team to have a first-round pick, not necessarily their pick.”
If the Heat trade the pick after taking Beasley, then it isn’t a future first-rounder, and if they got the Bulls’ #1 next year they’d have a pick. Whatever.
That being said, I always get distracted when Riley is talking by those strange horns in his perfectly-coiffed hair, and the smoke rising off his strangely brimstone-tinted skin. Why does an NBA GM need a pitchfork, anyway?
by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 25, 2008 10:41 AM CDT reply actions
I followed you...
and then I lost you. I can link you to the article I got the info from though:
Teams can trade their picks until 2 p.m. Thursday, when the NBA imposes a moratorium until the draft begins. If the Heat wants to make a trade, it must first select a player because the league stipulates that teams cannot deal draft picks in consecutive years. The Heat traded its 2009 first-round pick to Minnesota in October in the Antoine Walker deal, which brought Blount and Ricky Davis to Miami.
I believe the answer to your question is that you can’t trade unused draft picks in consecutive years. You can trade the player as soon as he’s drafted. That’s all.
I see it now...
I thought your point about the draft rule was the possibility that a trade couldn’t go through; now I see that it was to buttress the fact that Miami first has to select Beasley to make any trade. Got it.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 25, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll propose a 3-way trade with the Heat, Wolves & Bulls:
Here are the main pieces. Fillers can be thrown in as necessary, but this is the gist. Tear it up!
Bulls get: #2 draft pick (Beasley), & they take a bad contract or 2
Heat get: #3 draft pick (Mayo), and Bulls 2008 Draft Pick / they get rid of a contract
Wolves get: Hinrich, and Tyrus (or Gooden) / they get rid of a player
This deal only works if the Heat are really thinking about taking Mayo at #2. If Mayo is what they’re pining for, they would do this deal bc it means they get Mayo a slot lower and so his contract is slightly cheaper, plus they get to unload a terrible contract of their choice in order to free up room for someone like Boozer next year.
Minnesota could use a ton of help but I think Hinrich would look good in a cardigan and could team well with Foye in the backcourt. And TT would pair well with Jefferson in the front court.
I know the Tyrus lovers will HATE this deal but Beasley is already ions ahead of Tyrus and there’s no good reason to keep both! From a Bulls fan’s perspective, this deal essentially has us trading Hinrich (to make way for Rose), and TT (to make space for Beast) and a future pick (we can’t possibly get any younger and next year’s draft looks sucky) for Beasley. I’d do it.
I'm not opposed to including Tyrus in a trade for Beasley at all
I don’t think the Heat would bother with it.
I’m starting to think this lottery win has somehow convinced us the team and it’s assets is already better. If the Bulls had the #9 pick, do you think they’d have a chance to move up to #2?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, Yes, Yes.
I dont think the trade I stated above, as far-fetched as it may sound, would be any different if we were at #9. The only diff here is we’re the ones making this whole crazy idea possible by swiping Rose before Riley can nab him.
As for saying you don’t think Riley would bother- if he can’t make another deal he loves why wouldn’t he? Mayo (at a cheaper $) + 2009 pick + ridding yourself of a bad contract > Mayo.
They don’t have a draft pick next year, they’d get the Bulls pick. He wants cap space cleared for next year, the Bulls would take a bad contract. And he’d pay a little less for the guy he wants, drafting him a spot lower.
Two years ago Paxson had the #2 pick and wanted TT but instead of drafting him he “bothered” to take Aldridge, then swap with Portland for TT and Kryapa. Didn’t exactly work out that well with those guys, but I’m just showing that GM’s do bother. And in Riley’s case, I think it’s a pretty good deal if he does really want Mayo.
That's exactly what I was wondering this morning.
Or just as interesting, would Paxson even have had considered it?
Excellant proposal
We could take J Will, for example, there should be some way we can use our trade exception, anything to help facilitate this trade.
eons.
Eons are many years. Ions are charged particles, like in an ion drive, which NASA uses to make things go really fast. (Sorry)
Funny you mention spelling errors...
http://www.blogabull.com/2008/6/24/558140/new-poll-is-up#6957433
Because I learned in 2nd grade that “to” is an expression of motion, and “too” meant also. You’re also missing an apostrophe. :)
I don't think that would work
I don’t think this happens without Deng. I just don’t think Minnesota would drop Beasley/Mayo for any combination of Bulls players that doesn’t include Deng.
by premthegrem on Jun 26, 2008 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I like this on ESPN Thorpe's chat:
Zac (Columbia, MO): Are the Heat crazy for even thinking of just flat out taking Mayo #2?SportsNation David Thorpe: (12:00 PM ET ) Yes.
I think any trade depends on McHale-Mayo
If the Wolves want Mayo, then there’s just nothing for it.
And I just don’t see Paxson and McHale pulling the trigger on a draft-day trade, considering the history (or rather lack of it) there.
I think there’s better potential with the Sonics – if and only if they are okay with actually having and paying veterans on their ballclub and trying to win a game or two. That deal would be predicated on McHale selecting anyone other than OJ Mayo, so Mayo would drop to #4.
I’ll plagiarize smash’s idea above, substitute the Sonics for the Wolves and give them some combo of Hinrich, Gooden, Nocioni, even Tyrus (reluctantly). The Heat would get Mayo, Bulls 2008 #1, and Chris Wilcox or Tyrus, for instance. I’ve no idea if this would work, it’s just the coffee and the excitement about tomorrow talking.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 25, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions
I don't think minnesota wants Mayo that much.
They already have foye and mccants.
I think they’d like to trade picks to get maybe brook lopez.
Meh
I’m already against my own idea. What is this draft doing to me?
I’d be okay with giving up Gooden for Beasley (obviously), but I guess I’m not sold on trading Tyrus nor Luol until we’re certain what position Beasley will play. Is he a SF or PF? And the only way the Bulls get Beasley without giving up either Tyrus or Luol is to draft him #1….but I want Rose.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 25, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
He's a PF, and Paxson if he drafted him he would play PF
You could use him at the 3, but it wouldn’t be a full-time position for him.
Perhaps we should pick Rose, then tank the season and draft Blake Griffin next year.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Curse those 'coaches' last season!
I really like Tyrus, he’s young and still has incredible upside. He can be dominant defensively, and has shown great athleticism on the offensive end. According to that Thorpe article, he has great practice habits, and he may’ve even grown an inch or so this offseason.
I feel like the Bulls lost an entire season of developing Tyrus. Who will eventually be better for the Bulls – Tyrus or Beasley? I don’t know, but I feel like the Bulls could be much closer to knowing that answer than they currently are, due to the complete incompetence of the coaching staff last season.
I’m totally undecided about trading Tyrus and others for Beasley. I guess I’d rather they not.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Jun 25, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
For real, for real for reeeeal...
Tyrus is a head-case. He has bi-polar tendencies. I was a so incredibly excited when the Bulls drafted him 2 years ago… I thought he was amazing at LSU in teh tourney. But he’s a good guy one second, and a complete jerk the next. I’ve seen this with my own eyes. I would drop him now while he still has a buzz about him and while we can still blame it on the coaches. Another year or two and he’s worthless…
once upon a time in the nba draft...
the chicago bulls took drafted two guys high in the draft named eddie and tyson. a deal could get done if pax wanted beasley bad enough because i saw some of the possible trades the heat were being offered and we could easily beat them. the heat need a point so we can give them kirk, tyrus(who i would want to keep, but would rather have beasley) or gooden(money probably wouldn’t match) for blout and the numer two. “ANYTHING IS POSSIBBBBBBLLLLLLLLEEEEEE.” KG
The whole reason for going 3-way with this wasn't to make it more complicated (or R-rated)...
It was to appease Riley’s desire to nab Mayo (or Bayless) and also acquire some sort of “extra incentive” for trading down, all the while NOT picking up any more contracts in the process. If they can dump a contract on top of all those things, bravo.
That’s where Minni (or Seattle, or whoever) fits in.
after all of this is said and done,
i still think the heat will keep their pick and draft beasley. i think riley is trying to drum up interest in the pick, but please keep in mind that beasley has been touted as a future nba can’t miss superstar. looking at it from one perspective, would riley’s ego allow him the flexibility to potentially miss out on a future superstar? we keep saying that an uptempo point guard is the key to miami trading their pick or moving down in the draft, but somehow i don’t think so… i think riley is holding out for a superstar in return, and for the heat to unload some bad contracts.
the heat take beasley.
It's funny to see
How someone who was touted as the unquestioned 1st pick of the draft now apprently not wanted by the first two teams. I find that hard to believe, Beasley will definitely go to Miami, and if Riley doesn’t want him, he will find a way to move him for an established star. We know he has the hots for Elton Brand.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Paxson does want him...
He just wants Rose a little bit more. It’s not unprecedented that the projected number one pick changes after tournament play. In fact it happens all the time. As for Brand, I actually think Riles wants Boozer more and knows he just has to wait a year and sign him to get him.
I think there are a few other things going on here...
Riley decided at the predraft camp in Orlando that he wasn’t a fan of Beasley. He goofed off there and slacked off in drills and that was enough to sour Riley for good (IMO). // I think Wade loves Mayo and is pushing for him. They worked out together the last few months and have become boys. // I think Miami is convinced Boozer (who lives in Miami) will opt out of his contract after next season and come to the Heat. (wink, wink, handshake) // And to answer your question, I beleive Riley would rather see himself back in championship contention in the near future rather than take a chance on a potential superstar.
Just my opinions…
That didn't work well...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=319819813032216570&teams=14141444&te=&cash=
With the Bulls receiving the #2 Pick this year, and including a swap-option for next years 1st round.
Followed by, Miami trading Marion for Odom and Mihm.
MIA
Kirk, Wade, Odom, TT, Mihm
CHI
Rose, BG, Deng, Beasley, Noah
-Hughes, Noc, cCc
I did
19813032216570&teams=14141444&te=&cash=” >
I did use the link. I don’t know why that looked that way…
I even previewed it.
Read my post above..."The whole reason for going 3-way"
Also, Miami already traded away next year’s draft pick so a swap is not possible. Details, details…
ha!
i was just reading the new ESPN couldnt belive that Beasley only wants to work out for Miami and Chicago…
smh @ cocky draft picks..
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
WE ARE 23 HOURS AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ive been searching and searching can someone please find tickets for me to buy!!! I work in NYC and will be passing by MSG at 6 but id rather stay and watch!
You should be able to get tickets outside the WaMu theater at MSG if you get at the Garden by 6PM EST.
There will be people hawking tickets. Good luck. Scream when the Bulls pick Rose! I’ll look for you on TV!
Question is...
what jersey you rocking? You better not be that guy that bout all the Jay Williams jerseys from Ross..j/k
Make sure you have a "Thank you Skiles" poster!
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
They sold them on Ticketmaster a few weeks ago...
I almost bought them as I thought there was a chance I’d be in NYC. They were $15 at the time…. you should be able to scalp em. Good luck!
I'm assuming there is no BaB draft party this year?
My vision of Matt is either Mr. Burns or George Michael Bluth.
nope.
blame alec, and joejoe’s lackadaisical parole officer (I know I made that joke before)
I may do something during the season though. Pre-game…something.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 25, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
possible trade post-draft
I had this trade as a separate thread but I guess that it got deleted because of this thread. I was thinking that we should trade Hinrich, Tyrus, and our 2009 first round pick for Michael Beasley and a bad/ expiring contract. This would work for both sides. The Bulls upgrade their power forward prospect and clear the backcourt for Rose and Miami gets a quality complement to D-Wade in the backcourt as well as a good power forward prospect and a pick. If the Bulls could pull this off i think it would be great.
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