New poll is up

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2008 7:35 PM CDT

The initial post-lottery poll, after nearly 2500 responses, showed the masses to be 4-1 (my bad, 75% is 3-1, right?) in Derrick Rose's favor.

After several weeks of, er, lets call it 'debate'....time for another check.

In the spirit of this well-reasoned discourse I will add that if you are one of those who switched sides, just know that I think you're incredibly soft-minded, and shame on you.

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Take Two, with no nuance:

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If only Nocioni had a younger brother in the draft

by hscs on Jun 24, 2008 7:38 PM CDT 0 recs

like Marc Gasol?

Chris Wallace assured me that gaining his rights was just like a first-round pick.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up 0 recs

El Chapuito?

He does have an older brother.

by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up 0 recs

Andy Katz just mentioned

that Ben Gordon is lobbying the Bulls to take Beasley…that Gordon saw Beasley’s work-out and really liked him.

Katz also mentioned that there’s a lot of community pressure to select Rose.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 24, 2008 7:56 PM CDT 0 recs

The studio host with Broussard and Rose said that, after they had went around Chicago and asked a bunch of strangers who they should pick. Most of them said Rose, and for some reason 1 guy said take Brook Lopez.

Katz actually mentioned that he got a phone call from Beasley’s camp that Chicago had not come to a consensus decision yet, and that Beasley remained very much in play as the 1st pick.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up 0 recs

What do you expect them to say?

And thats what Pax and VDN say to. Homework, process, films. Nope, no decision.

by iBurkey on Jun 24, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up 0 recs

I suggest you stay up late

and give it another listen.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 24, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up 0 recs

I saw that telecast twice since the airing an hour ago was a repeat

And that’s what was said. I’m sure the Beasley camp was just saying that to maintain relevancy because there is definite speculation he could fall to #3.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up 0 recs

So you're saying Alec made this up?

You’re one of the more reliable posters here. I believe you, obviously, but why would Alec post something like that if it did happen? I hate crossed signals.

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up 0 recs

Thanks for the compliment

And I guess Alec and me are just getting Kurosawa on this. Not that it really matters who that quote came from, I think it is apparent there is some “local” pressure to draft Rose, but IMO I think that pressure is more of a “OMG Rose is totally Chris Paul and Deron Williams”
I remember they were asking random Chicagoans, then they interviewed Katz, and the studio host mentioned the local pressure, and Katz proceeded with his call from Beasley’s crew.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up 0 recs

They replayed the show later with added content.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 24, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up 0 recs

Sure they did...

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

Just trying to cut Ozzie a break,

because anyone else who saw it will know I’m accurately reporting the BG comment.

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by alec on Jun 24, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

I didn't say you didn't relay the BG comment correctly

I was talking about the “added pressure” comment.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up 0 recs

Oh, that.

That was just the studio host saying there was community pressure to select Rose. They did a “man on the streets” thing and came up with a majority of Chicagoans wanting Rose.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 24, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up 0 recs

Thank God we got that random sample

of Chicagoans who most likely don’t know anything about the NBA! Ha!

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

I encourage you to watch that clip

Just to see the one guy who said Brook Lopez.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

Was he a goofy-looking stoner?

Just a hunch for some reason…

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up 0 recs

Probably a Cardinal

alum looking to stick it to all the NU Wildcats that run the Bulls.

by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up 0 recs

I was giving you a hard time. I believe you man.

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

I agree with you on the CP3/Deron thing is affecting this

far more than the Chicago thing. Which does kind of scare me (and I’m pro-Rose)

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

Because he's not that type of PG

Rose doesn’t have that crazy court vision that Paul has (and if he gets it I will just increase my love for him). He’s going to use his athleticism to get into the lane and create opportunities, not nifty highlight passes. YaoPau called him potentially a more controlled Baron Davis, and I agree with that comparison.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up 0 recs

Rose also has the potential to be the greatest finish PG who ever played the game.

To me, he’s like an uber-athletic, ridiculously jacked Tony Parker who can finish all kinds of seemingly impossible shots in the lane, even after drawing contact. Sign me up. He’ll blow past any PG who tries to guard him, whether it’s using his strength, speed, or both. No one will be able to guard him, especially as he hones his J, which I have complete confidence in. His mechanics are too good for him to shoot the percentages he did last year. He’s not Rajon Rondo in the sense that you cringe every time he loads up to shoot, which is obviously a huge positive. Look how effective that guy’s been even without a jumper.

Basically, Rose has the potential to be completely unguardable in my opinion.

I’ve always liked the 6’3” LeBron comparison. He’ll be physically devastating in any matchup outside of Deron Williams. I’m kind of sorry I even brought up Tony Parker’s name, the more I think about it (meaning no disrespect to Parker), but Rose has the potential to be his own breed of PG. And that, as Borat would say, is “a niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.”

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up 1 recs

The men in which you go to war

If you have players you are comfortable passing you to a PG’s vision cans shift more focus to this. If you DONT have the players you are comfortable passing to a PG’s vision shifts to their scoring.

We all should know early MJ and Champion MJ. He wasn’t looking to pass as the Champion, but he would do it and it was necessary though only when surrounded by men in which he is willing to go to war.

Paul averaged more assists at Wake than did Rose at Memphis. But those numbers were ghosted in the NBA during his first season, then climbed a little in his second season, and once he was surrounded by players he was comfortable passing to his vision changed to pass first and finish second. His assists rocketed to 11+ per game this season making him #2 in PER.

When I watch Rose I see him alternating between observing the floor in order to find the open space for the pass and observing the floor to carve out his lane for scoring. He does both well, but thus far he’s only done the passing vision when instructed to by Calipari.

by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up 0 recs

Someone's going to war in men?

Ewww. Are they germs?

John Paxson has been like family to me. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother, who also was unable to pull off any deals for superstar free agents or hire a top-notch coach.

by preverbal on Jun 25, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up 0 recs

Of course Ben liked him.

Beasley is basically a 6’7” Ben Gordon. Plus he doesn’t play guard.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 24, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

What adds a little spice to it

is that we know from Rose’s post work-out comments that Gordon was in the room for that work-out, too.

I really get the feeling that Gordon has gotten more proactive, that he intends to have a say in the Bulls plans for him. He’s got too much at stake this year to just roll over.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 24, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

I get the feeling Ben Gordon

really needs to play for a team where he only focus on offense and naturally aligns himself with other players that demonstrate the same attitude.

We might have to send him to the Knicks. Who do we want at #7?

by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up 0 recs

Minus 1 of course

because the Knicks have the 6th pick. :)

by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up 0 recs

yeah, basically...

besides the fact that he can score in about 100 more ways ::rolls eyes::

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up 0 recs

If Ben Gordon was Beasley's size.

He would practice a 100 hundred ways to score. And he would rebound like crazy because that gets the ball back so he can go score again. Gordon is actually a very solid rebounder for his size.

It was a comment about there physiques and focus on scoring, not a comment about Beasley being just a jumpshooter.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 24, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

Oh, it just seemed like a weird statement to make.

I’d rather not think about a guy we might draft with the #1 pick as having any similarities to Ben Gordon. :: shivers ::

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

Well he is like Ben Gordon in that there isn't

a lot of untapped upside to his offensive game. Unless you believe NBA coaching is going to turn him into a plus defender, he’s pretty much a finished product on draft day.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 24, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

The great thing is, his offensive game will be one of the best in the league, even as a rookie.

You can take that to the bank

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

the money bank?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up 0 recs

Have you really not heard that expression?

Or am I missing something here? Please enlighten me

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up 0 recs

in the junk of my brain, I believe I remember it as a Simpsons quote

the point was to jab at your confident prediction.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

What's funny is that I'm fairly confident

that Beasley will be a near 20-10 guy as a rookie, but I still would pick Rose. Oh, the conundrum!

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

46 hours to go!

by chgobr on Jun 24, 2008 8:34 PM CDT 0 recs

Also important to note

On Sportscenter (radio) today, there was a report that the Bulls coaching staff was going to be finalized by the weekend. Does that mean Adams and Myers are still around to “motivate” the Bulls players? Gag.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2008 9:03 PM CDT 0 recs

KC is working the phones

to makes sure his sources remain in the Bulls front office.

by NBA Observer on Jun 25, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up 0 recs

let the Derrick Rose era begin

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jun 24, 2008 9:15 PM CDT 0 recs

Hey Matt...

...if Rose got 75% of the vote on the first poll, wouldn’t that be a 3-to-1 margin rather than a 4-to-1 margin? I hate to sound like the Spelling Police that frequent these threads, but I thought that error did slightly misrepresent the results of the first poll.

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by Jivas on Jun 24, 2008 9:35 PM CDT 0 recs

Well it's 4 to 1 right now

Which surprises me.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yep but

the initial post was a little politically advocated to D Rose;s favor. I think we should get him too, so all good with me…

by NamingRightsOnSale on Jun 24, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up 0 recs

lol

I don’t think Matt was skewing results by taking a blind guess at who to take.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

Dude is pretty crafty...

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

It's probably the same people that ESPN interviewed voting

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 24, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

For the record, I voted Rose again

But I will say it’s much closer for me than it was before. Last time I voted, I’d say I was about 90% in favor of Rose. Now, it’s more like 60-40. I’d still take him if I’m Pax.

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by Illini15 on Jun 24, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up 0 recs

um....right. I guess that is 3-1

I’m having a pretty bad week when it comes to details.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up 0 recs

actually it's 4 to 1 now

I just voted and it was 82% which is 4 to 1 with someone’s 2% added to it!

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by WayOldGuy on Jun 25, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up 0 recs

I voted Rose,

but I’m up for whatever as long as we win.
I really want up to be running and gunning, though, and i don’t think Beasley will help that, just because Hinrich will then dribble the ball in circles. We need another PG. Rose pushes it.
I guess I just want us to be the Suns, because they’re fun to watch. Maybe we could win, though.

by Prevenge on Jun 24, 2008 10:26 PM CDT 0 recs

You know, Kirk played up tempo in college.

He’s only played one offensive system in the NBA, and that was Skiles. Same as all the other drafted guys, they haven’t had a different system to work in, or a different coach to teach other ways of playing.

If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.

by wjb1492 on Jun 24, 2008 10:43 PM CDT up 0 recs

Skiles played uptempo too

or at least they shot quickly.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

Well ...

If that system was just screwing him, and he can run the point good running/etc. at an elite level, then beasley would be awesome.
But this assumes we have an elite PG already, and I’m not convinced that we do. [Then again, I still think Telfair can be good. ... I’m an optimist.]
We’ll see who we get, either way …

by Prevenge on Jun 24, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up 0 recs

Kirk ran the secondary break w/ Roy Williams.

Which usually meant guys busting ass after the offensive rebounding and passing it up court as fast as possible. Also, Kirk was the SG alongside Aaron Miles. Yes, he handled the ball a lot, but he didn’t dribble the ball super fast up court as your words implied.

by tyger1147 on Jun 25, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up 0 recs

Again with the implied, huh?

Believe me, I know what positions Kirk played in college and which years. I do watch a lot of college ball, particularly Kansas.

I’m not exactly sure when or why you decided to take issue with me, tyger. Just for the record I don’t try to be misleading on here. Obviously you are welcome to disagree with my opinion, but I don’t see any reason why things have to get nasty. I’m also not into the 40 comment pissing match, so this is all I have to say on the matter.

If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.

by wjb1492 on Jun 25, 2008 12:50 AM CDT up 0 recs

I'm just saying your implications were wrong is all.

Saying Kirk played uptempo in college and everything else you said is an obvious implication that he showed he somehow had great skills in college that are being muted. I was merely pointing out that wasn’t necessarily true.

Your Kirk-love is clouding your objective opinions.

by tyger1147 on Jun 25, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up 0 recs