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Derrick Rose Passing Video

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Maybe im the only one...

But im not overly impressed by this, hes unselfish thats for sure, but aside for a couple of passes, i didnt see anything here that duhon probably didnt do on his college team….

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Jun 22, 2008 6:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Bullsbeat

Bullsbeat referenced this exact vid in his last podcast and said that the style of offense Rose has worked in didn’t really lend itself to spectacular bullet passes. They don’t implement a lot of cutters and seem to typically have a drive/kick type offense. Rose does that well. What we don’t know is that if given the opportunity would he have similar court vision as the greats do and make passes to cutters through traffic. He did seem to do passes I could see would benefit Tyrus and kicking the ball out to Gordon at the three point line would be effective, especially if Rose can actually finish a layup. Currently when our guards cut to the basket and kick back out the defense is ready for it because they rightfully know that our guards suck at finishing. If Rose can take some knocks and finish at the rim our guys at the three point line would have a clearer shot in theory. The ability to thread a pass to a cutter is what is in question here, but like you see, their offense didn’t do that a lot. Not Rose’s fault. Deng and perhaps Thabo should be able to move without the ball and cut.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Jun 22, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best answer ive gotten

I was going to say if all we need is pg to drive and kick, kirk or duhon can do that, but because rose is so physically powerful, maybe he can take hits and score in the paint, and yes i could see that helping out noch, and gordon…i sitll question if he will be able to set up thomas and noah the way everyone thinks he will be able to….physical superiority on the pgs end doesnt really mean alley oop.

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Jun 23, 2008 3:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with Kirk or Duhon

running drive and kick is that to drive you have to exhibit some believability that you can score from the drive and they have not shown that to be true. You drive in, the defense responds to you, frees up a guy at the perimeter, and then you kick it out. Or you continue to drive, take some knocks, and get to the foul line and/or make the basket near the rim. The Bulls haven’t been able to do that very well. With a stronger guard who can finish it would be more successful. Of course that doesn’t have to be how you run your offense, but with a good three point shooter like Gordon it would be great to do.

As for Tyrus, in that vid I saw some pitches to big guys for dunks in transition. Not sure he could do that outside of transition because of the way his former team’s offense was run, but he did lay some passes up. With Tyrus I get the impression he can go and get it once it is up the in the general vicinity. You don’t have to be perfect. I don’t think Noah quite has the hands for that yet though and it would have to be perfect. Another problem last year (and this has little to do with our current guards) was that they rarely ran plays for Tyrus. Hopefully with a new coach they will start doing that more.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Jun 23, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

About your second point...

Do we need a rose to throw those alleys to tyrus, i mean what if tyrus came to kirk in this offseason and said, hey kirk man seriously, just throw it up there for me and ill get it. THen they did a few times in scrimages and got to a point of being comfortable with it. I mean ive seen some youtube highlights of kirk in college, he threw a few alleys (to collison…COLLISON!!!) and i wonder if everyone here doesnt think that rose will definetly play like chris paul, and although i dont think he will suck (probably an future all star) i dont neccesserily see the resemblence in pauls style, but i do see alot of deron williams.

My next point is exactly that, if Rose is like derron williams (which is good) doesnt it mean we need a more superior team then what utah has? I mean do we really believe that if we had derron williams on our team we would be winning championships? we would still need a few players right, allstar players (a guy in the post would be much more necesary i think)

Im just saying that i might be afraid that through media and scouts, we here at blogabull have fallen hard for hype, i mean both players will be good is a fact, but how effective both will be is a mystery. In the end though we are predicting beasley to an impassionate loony toon player who can only put up 20 10 and not really better the team, and while rose is in a position to better the team (and i think he has alot of talent to do so) i dont think he is chris paul or some pg who will instantlly change the way our offense flows. ESpecially not right now. But again like everyone else, im just as in on the mystery so who knows….

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Jun 23, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care which guy we get.

We have the #1 pick. A turn of good luck. I am pretty excited with either guy because it still feels like a dream. We shouldn’t be in this great position but we are. We certainly don’t want to waste it, but I think if we get out of our funk we could be a 50 win team as is (and we don’t have the Wallace dead weight either). The pick is the icing on the cake more or less and either player could push us back into the position we were planning on being in before the blow up.

Like I tried to say earlier, I don’t think the lack of Tyrus action was completely a guard issue so much as a coaching/offense style issue, but that still isn’t enough to warrant dismissing Rose. I think Rose can make plays for Tyrus in transition. Tyrus/Rose should be a great fast break combo too with their speed. Add the with Rose’s build and ability take hits… I don’t know. We’ve desperately needed a guard who could finish these last few years. More than once I remember thinking, “why can’t any of our guards finish contested layups like other teams are able to?” and I think Rose has the build to do that and draw fouls. Think about Wade and how effective he can be taking hits and finishing three point plays at the foul line.

Can we live without those things? Maybe. We’ve been chugging along ok-ish until last year getting a somewhat one dimensional offense from our guards. On the other hand, we’ve invested in Thomas and Noah and have Gooden as well. Beasely might be a 20-10 guy, but I already think we are pretty strong with the guys we have, two are quite young still, and can expect at least one of the three to pull a 20-10 game IMO with solid games from the other two. If we could add a guard like Rose who can have a different skill set then what we’ve had for years now with our guards it would give us a diversified offense where we’ve been needing it for years and round us off as a team.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Jun 23, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

piccolomair

I think you might have met your match for big-ass posts. I am getting close to out paragraphing you. :)

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Jun 23, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

NOOOO!!!

Heh, but the likes of Mortimer still exist on the sbn blogosphere…Do YOU Have What it Takes…..?

Btw good post, i guess in the end i hope pax does pick the best player, and doesnt consider anything else. If you think about it, we have almost the next 10 years to build around whoever we draft, so im really hoping paxson drafts the best player, not the best fit or the best upgrade.

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Jun 23, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's the matter Rose you can't shoot? lol

I was impressed at 1:15, 1:29, and his sweet baseline box out towards the end. Everything else is mostly in transition, which always looks good.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 22, 2008 6:41 PM CDT reply actions  

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