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Tall Tales of Deng and Thomas at IMG Academy

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I emailed IMG Exec Director (and ESPN analyst) David Thorpe about this photo of Thomas and Deng at the academy asking about their relative height.

He graciously replied with more information than I asked for , detailing their experience there, and said I could share it with you all here. Commence drooling:

Both guys left on Friday after 2 weeks, and both will return again for lengthier stays. 2 weeks is all I want to see NBA players for this early in the summer. TT will return before summer league, if indeed Vinny wants him to play. Tyrus told Paxson in April that he would love to play in the summer league.

These guys are amazing. Our sessions started at 10am each morning, but both guys arrived no later than 8:30am. Every morning. They had their own pre-practice ritual of warming up, stretching, shooting and dribbling. Then they participated in our version. Our future NBA and European pro players loved them, and respected their attitudes and work ethic. I'm sure Bulls fans will be very happy with what they see from TT, who actually improved in a number of areas last season despite the bad environment.

He is deeply sorry for the missed practice, but there were serious circumstances involved. It was a far more complicated issue than what was known publicly. As Luol told me, TT had never even been late to a practice or meeting one single time prior to that day. I hope Chicago keeps Luol there: he looks incredible and is working so hard at being tougher to defend on the dribble, advancing his post game, and improving his range of his shot.

One interesting note: I paired Kevin Martin with Tyrus for an hour long shooting session one afternoon so TT could watch the little things Kevin does as a shooter/shotfaker. In the last 25 minutes, I can honestly say that Kevin not only never missed a single shot (that I saw), but I never even saw him hit the rim. It was a stunning display of shooting, but afterwards, all Kevin could talk about was how special of a talent Tyrus is. TT also shot very well, had his moves and fakes looking like a pro, and had such a positive disposition that afternoon. I told Kevin that TT is that way every day, as long as he is surrounded by like-minded guys. I believe Vinny will be great for TT, and I told that to Kevin, who responded with "then the Bulls are going to be really good again".

Of course, Thorpe's understandably biased in favor of his pupils, and has frequently included glowing remarks for Bulls players in his ESPN chats. 

But I treat this as a feel-good Father's day post. Tyrus is sort of the son of BaB...or something.

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That is so incredibly great to hear!

Man, Thorpe is just the best to be willing to take time to share that with you/us. He alone is worth the cost of Insider.

I kind of hope Ty does play in summer league just for us to get a chance to see him.

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 14, 2008 7:42 PM CDT   0 recs

Our summer league:

Rose, Thabo, Tyrus, Noah.

Look out below!

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Jun 14, 2008 8:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pretty sweet if they get alot of PT together :D

before the season. Could develop some nice and important chemistry both on and off the court.

Incidentally this is 4/5 of the starting lineup I’d like to see us employ come november. The last spot goes to whoever fits better between Deng and Noce.

Good times ahead! :D

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 3:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

By the by

Anyone know if VDN is going to be coaching the summer league team?

How does it usually work?

Seing as he’s a rookie coach, wouldn’t it make a whole lot of sense if he got to it as soon as possible….? I sure think so.

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 7:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Same here

it actually might be good for him.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Jun 15, 2008 8:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahaha

and Hinbrick is the best point guard in the league!

by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 15, 2008 12:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uhmm....

Did you have a point you wanted to get across?

If so, try again

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 1:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

um

there shouldn’t even be a question who should be starting b/t deng and noc…

by Jaina on Jun 15, 2008 10:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nocioni should never start a game for the Bulls unless there is an injury or sickness

He can keep his grit and matador defense on the bench.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A totally valid position

Please expound, though.

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 11:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Really?

How do you see value to start Nocioni over Deng? Please expound on that, because that is really intriguing.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 12:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You also made the claim first.

And you got a response. Don’t make this some one-on-one-I’m-better-than-you discussion. If it’s a true “discussion of minds” in basketball, it shouldn’t matter who gives you an explanation.

Almost no one thinks Nocioni should ever start over Deng. arjoseph did a great job of explaining why the vast majority of the people have agreed. You should have given an explanation to your contrasting viewpoint first. The so-called burden of proof is clearly on you at this point.

by tyger1147 on Jun 15, 2008 1:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hah, here I was thinking that

people could think for themselves and perhaps even had different reasoning behind their viewpoints, which I would be interested in hearing. (Nice way to draw off-the-wall unfounded conclusions.) I guess I was wrong… My bad

What claim do you suggest I made?

I’ll save us all the time…

So my “claim” as you put it was this:

That the starting 4-spot should go to the one who fits better between Deng and Noce.

I’m awfully sorry not to be brainwashed into believing this is a non-question.

God forbid there be disparity and differing opinions on a blog.

Yes, I appreciate and enjoyed arjosephs response. It was well put.

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 2:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If I had a different line of reasoning

I would have posted it. You’ve been asked several times to post your view on this matter, yet you say “I want to see how it plays out.” Well, why? Is there something about Noce you see that could make him a starting SF? I don’t and honestly want to know your viewpoint.

There is nothing wrong with differing views, especially on a blog. But, making claims and then providing no information or opinions on them is pointless.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 2:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok, I see that. :)

But how am I to know, though…?

It was never my intention to leave this question unanswered, but I’ve been derailed and attacked in a very time-consuming way…

I’m afraid my reasoning will not be as eloquent or elaborate as arjosephs…

To me Deng and Noce are quite different players.

Deng has his strength in the midrange as a spot-up shooter and off the ball as a slasher. He is not particularly good on defence and fades offensively when it matters. His +/- per 100 show him to be a positive on offense but an even bigger negative on defense with the sum turning out to be -1,6. Also there is the issue with the injuries and whether he completely has recovered from them.

Nocioni on the other hand has a longer range and can be quite effective from long range as he showed several times during the season. He is a positive on offense and a slight negative on defense with the sum ending up at +1,0.

I’m assuming a starting line-up as i projected above: Rose, Thabo, TT, Noah.

This is a very athletic line-up and should be at least adequately equipped to defend and run. I do not however see where the long distance shooting is going to come from unless there is Noce… As far as I’m aware Rose is not a strong NBA-distance 3pshooter and neither is Thabo. Deng has not yet shown to have develdoped this skill so until I see proof of this I’m going with Noce for that ever illusive and much Bab-loved word SPACING… :D

There it is! Lumberjacks: Chop away!

:)

By the by, I will be taking a much-needed break from this soon… I may be a dentist but I don’t want to keep the Swede in pain for too much longer… ;)

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 2:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You used plus/minus statistics from this season.

Which isn’t a strong argument. One year raw plus/minus samples aren’t predictive. Deng has had the better adjusted plus/minus this season, which accounts for her Deng and Nocioni played with.

In fact Deng has had the better adjusted plus/minus every season. And for the four years they’ve spent in a Bulls uniform, Deng has a +6.3 plus/minus and Nocioni has a negative 2.3 plus/minus.

Your characterization of Deng’s defense is also incorrect. Deng is regarded as a sold defender. Someone who makes his opponent t work for position and challenges shots without fouling. He didn’t show as much last year, but the entire team defense was broke.

Your also neglecting the biggest thing Deng brings to team He takes 39% of his shots in the lane and makes over 60% of those shots. The team needs his production in the paint. It’s a big reason for his strong plus/minus.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 15, 2008 5:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Like I said

I’m willing to see who works out the best.

And let’s hope the numbers aren’t predictive.

I disagree with you on the number of years that should be taken into account. Scouting improves with the years so you can’t say he’ll magically bounce back to his best statistical year.

I still like my #3’s to be able to shoot from deep, though… I’m waiting to see if Deng’s there yet

by BAB-Bass on Jun 16, 2008 3:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not about brainwashing

Every PER-type statistical measure I’m aware of puts Deng above Noce, not to mention just watching the games makes it clear who the better player is. I agree that the point of a blog is discussion, but the concept that the better player should start and play more minutes does not merit an “expounding.”

by potato0328 on Jun 15, 2008 2:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't believe that response was even rendered (better player)

I know, “expound” is quite a scary word… I was thinking about using a different one… ;)

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 3:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

To be fair,

I think he was making the arguement that Noce is a better shooter
As long as Deng is a “slasher” which to be more honest, he’s more of an off ball mover who needs screens to get open, can’t really generate his own shot off the dribble-

But anyway, as long as he is that way, the argument can be made, minus point of who starts, that with Rose / Thabo Tyrus/Noah on the floor, you want Noce out there, because you need a shooter out there. Deng ain’t no 3pt shooter.

Also, Noce will take it to the hole when it matters, where Deng tends to pass it to the next guy when it matters….. So Noce has balls in his favor as well. Nice length on Deng though, looks like a hardworker, and great story for marketing. So hey, give him the start.

by iBurkey on Jun 15, 2008 9:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no kidding

deng is the starter without question.

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Please expound

Where u from swede?

Oslo, Norway here :)

Too bad about the game yesterday… Tough luck… :(

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll expound.

You must be new here, BAB-Bass, not to have encountered the many ways people on this blog have disected Noc’s value to the team. In short, he’s not a starter-caliber player if you’re hoping to win championships. A breakdown of points:

(a) On offense, he’s a gunner. He looks for his shot first, anything else second. Sometimes, this isn’t a bad thing; there were moments over the past two years when we needed some aggression on offense, and he provided it. Furthermore, when his shot is on, he’s got some range and can put points up in bunches. But that skill does not argue for him being a starter over being a bench guy; in fact, I would think you’d like that aggression off the bench if possible. That’s not to mention that when he’s gunning and not making his shots, he’s hurting the offense quite a bit. Since he can’t dribble that well (well enough to evade someone closing out on him, but not much else), and he’s not the type to be looking to pass, he’s a bit of a black hole.

(b) He’s the worst kind of tweener physically. He’s big enough and tough enough to play PF, kind of, if we play small-ball, and the other team’s PF isn’t too quick or too big. Otherwise, it’s an instant mismatch for the other team. Likewise, he’s maybe the perfect size (or a little big) to play SF, but he’s too slow, especially on defense, where he either has to cheat toward the basket, or be extra physical (thus comitting fouls or not getting to spots early enough). Deng is quicker as a SF, with more SF skills (both offensively and defensively). As a PF, Deng is even better, I would argue, since his being small is no less disadvantageous than Noc’s being small, and at least Deng has speed that Noc doesn’t.

Those are the main points. Noc was born to be a tough, occasional instant-offense 6th or 7th man. He can be incredibly useful as a role player on a successful team, but his deficiencies are too major and too amplified with him in a starter’s role. Especially if we’re expecting to take advantage of our youth and be uptempo, he’d be a drag. He does good things (bangs for rebounds, hustles for loose balls, and occassionally catches fire with range with his shot), but not enough of them. If Deng is working on his 3-point shot (which I expect he is, taking cues from the last few games last year and what Thorpe says above) and his physicality, he’d be about the ideal SF—kind of like a smaller Rasheed Wallace type, or a bigger Josh Howard.

by arjoseph on Jun 15, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the Josh Howard comparison is fair

Complete with disappearing in games after big 1st halves.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 12:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Been hibernating...

And I’ll get back to you… Just waiting for Ozzie to expound…

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 1:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You want my elaboration

I will merely re-iterate everything arjoseph said, because that’s what Nocioni is, always has, and always will be for the Bulls. A gunner tweener who’s value is high when the team is winning because he can oftentimes light a fire under the team that often is too lackadaisical with his aggressive play. He plays weak defense because he’s too slow for the SF and too small for the PF, not to mention he tends to flop at the smallest hint of contact.

So, to sum it all up, you want to start a guy who’s best talents include firing up the crowd with his hustle and aggressive play, even though they are often counter-intuitive to that the team is trying to accomplish offensively.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 2:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha, I was expecting a reference answer :)

But that is quite alright. I suppose he covered it pretty well.

I merely said I was open to it. I would like to try both and see how it plays out…. But apparently that would be akin to a mass murder of everyones mothers…

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 2:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok.....

It’s mass murder to assume that the player who is better should start?

I am confident that if this blog existed a decade ago, you would have been pining for Rusty LaRue and Corey Benjamin to start over Michael Jordan because you would like to, “try it out and see how it plays out.”

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 2:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha

You know, I’m not up to date on Rusty LaRue and Corey Benjamins PER’s and other stats and how they compared to MJ’s but I’ll ask my friend the Swede… Apparently he is on top of things… Unless he’s in too much pain…

Nice one! :)

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 2:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's been an open tryout for four years now.

Gah! This guy’s the European version of Alec: “I will say something completely unfounded and speculative, and then be dismissive and talk about my profession as if that’s makes me an authority! Hah!”

by tyger1147 on Jun 15, 2008 6:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hahaha :)

Did you really miss the point that badly, or are you just trying to be a jerk?

I Mentioned my profession in reference to Swede’s pain… But you go ahead and draw your own conclusions from that, tigger….

I hope my 21 years playing and 4 years coaching gives me more authority than my profession… I sure think so!

by BAB-Bass on Jun 16, 2008 3:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey, does that make them bloggergangers?

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 16, 2008 10:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

BAB-Bass take a 15 minute break...

Read the posts and discussions on Blog-a-Bull.

Brush up on your knowledge of the Bulls roster, the NBA, basketball in general, “how to make an argument.”

It’s painful to have to listen to even insinuate Nocioni could start over Deng next season.

Then get back to posting.

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 2:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, you're making me go all OT here

apparently I have enough on my plate already… Don’t wanna waste everyones’s time, you know?...

So why the name, then?

(To the others: I’ll get ON T soon…)

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 2:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You really think Deng is faster than Noce? I've NEVER seen Deng take ANYONE off the dribble.

Noce does that every game. Deng is long, so that helps him on D, but seriously, Thabo is much better manning up on D-wade, etc. than Deng. Smaller Sheed? Sheed is a headcase, but he competes, and if anything is too emotionally bought in. Sheed also has balls of steel. Deng is a member of the ball-less squad, along with Kirk and Duhon…

I think Deng is the worst kind of tweener, actually, too slow for 3, too thin for 4, no heart to get boards, shot not quite good enough to be a 3pt threat. Not enough balls to be a real scorer either.

He’s good doing the Reggie Miller running through screens thing- and doing cleanup work- but we can’t affort to throw a big contract at him- he’s to easily replaceable, and we need the big contracts for the difference makers.

The fact that anyone is even arguing about him and Noce, our beloved bench guy with heart, tells you what Im saying is true.

by iBurkey on Jun 15, 2008 10:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Deng is a great rebounder for a 3...

if he improved his 3pt shot, that would make him a more valuable force.

I’m not sure who is faster – though I’d lean toward Deng. Deng is a much, much better finisher than Noc when he does get by someone.

He is a little bit of a tweener – which is why improving his 3 pt shot would up his value.

I love a basketball player who scores off screens – who uses their hustle and smarts to score on people.

I’m not sure what you were arguing – but I definitely prefer Deng over Noce. And I would like to see Deng receive an extension. I agree we don’t need too many big contracts for guys who aren’t proven. Because of that, I’m sure the front office will think long and hard about resigning Gordon (among other players).

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 10:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Noce isn't necessarily fast, just very reckless

Watching the game today Vujajic(whatever) reminds me of Noce a lot. Just a ton of energy all over the place, not always making the best decisions, tons of bad shots, but hell when they go in the place just goes nuts. Oh, and enough flopping, fake injuries, and weak 1-on-1 defense to make Jeff Van Gundy cry.

I like Noce, I think he’s perfect for a team that tends to be too complacent at times, but I would never want to have him play a ton of minutes unless his shot is on that particular game.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 11:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There are different kinds of speed.

I would buy that Noce is maybe marginally quicker on a first step when making a dribble drive. Deng, however, has much more lateral quickness, which makes him a much better on-ball defender. I would also bet that Deng gets up and down the court more quickly than Noce, although I’m just guessing; I don’t remember watching for that specifically in games. Whether Thabo is quicker than Deng, I don’t know; probably. We’re not discussing Thabo, though. (If we were, I would say his shaky midrange jumpshot and skinny frame-leading to less-than-ideal rebounding position when trying to box out-would make Deng the starter over him anyway.)

by arjoseph on Jun 16, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How about you take a fifteen minute break?

If you’re in so much pain… I hope nobody is forcing you to read this blog or my posts in particular. That would be pretty silly…

Or perhaps I should just dumb down the English for you? Seeing as you ARE still Swedish…

Oh, btw, you never answered my question. Whereabouts you from in sweden?

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 2:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

who are you, alec?

management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 15, 2008 8:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's much smarter than I am.

I just have opinions. He backs his opinions up.

Now, the fact that we have some of the same opinions I find very entertaining.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 15, 2008 9:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll give him your email

so you can learn all about his playing career.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 15, 2008 9:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh, no thank you.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 15, 2008 9:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Today he has said that

starting Deng or Noc is a toss up. And that Duhon is better than Gordon.

The only way to back up those opinions is with crap.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 15, 2008 9:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and he didn't dissapoint.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 15, 2008 9:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ew, no.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 16, 2008 8:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you David Thorpe,

Him and KD will continue to be the guys I most respect when it comes to writing about the NBA.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 14, 2008 7:48 PM CDT   0 recs

haha

thanks, though I’m not sure it’s actually reporting.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2008 8:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You reported what Thorpe e-mailed to you

Move over KC Johnson.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 14, 2008 8:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah, this was far too clear and in context.

“Reporting” would look more like:

After spending a mere two weeks working on the many facets of his game that need improving, Tyrus Thomas, who will be traded this offseason, has left IMG Academy. Fortunately, Luol Deng was there at the same time to make sure young Tyrus attended practice sessions on time during his short stay. As you know, Luol is a wonderful and mature human being who devotes countless time to charitable endeavors. You will likely remember Tyrus as the immature malcontent who skipped a practice earlier this season. While he has verbally apologized for the incident, it is unclear whether his future actions will match his words.

Has Tyrus improved his game? Sadly, it appears not. In one recent session, Kevin Martin drained basket after basket while Tyrus attempted to keep up on defense. If only Paxson had kept LaMarcus Aldridge instead of trading for this bum.

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 14, 2008 9:11 PM CDT to parent up   2 recs

hahahaha----K.C. Johnson is a bad journalist.

I could really see him having written something close to that.

by tyger1147 on Jun 15, 2008 12:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Aldridge?

Please… He’s way too young to get K.C.’s support. If only Antonio Davis had stuck around long enough to be paired with Ben Wallace.

by hscs on Jun 15, 2008 8:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

David Thorpe obviously needs to create an account on this site

Join the Tyrus Thomas bukkake!

Yes, that is disgusting, but go to hell I want Tyrus to be a special player, and only with the love and adoration of hundreds of complete strangers will he maximize his potential!

but I never even saw him hit the rim

Funny how that quote could be used to describe Larry Hughes….but not in a good way.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 14, 2008 8:10 PM CDT   0 recs

Thanks for the Father's Day present!

If TT really does improve, and we get Rose I’d keep the team in tack, including Hinrich and see what happens. We could end up with two all-stars, Rose and TT with a great supporting cast.

by chgobr on Jun 14, 2008 8:35 PM CDT   0 recs

Sounded fantastic

but no word on the height?

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Jun 14, 2008 8:39 PM CDT   0 recs

He said Tyrus was about an inch taller then Deng.

So you still have to decide whether you believe Deng grew an inch since he was drafted.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 14, 2008 8:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That I do believe

because it was noticeable (to me anyway) before it got commented on in the papers. That means Tyrus has grown a good two inches. Hopefully, that means he’ll start to fill out now.

A 6’10 pf with great wingspan, a quick 40 inch vertical, and a developing skill set. Good stuff.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Jun 15, 2008 8:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

where

does he say that?

by gman2849 on Jun 15, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

up there

I emailed IMG Exec Director (and ESPN analyst) David Thorpe about this photo of Thomas and Deng at the academy asking about their relative height.

by halnat on Jun 15, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Parental Advisory - Explicit Content

by Jivas on Jun 14, 2008 8:47 PM CDT   0 recs

SOMEONE!!!!!!!

Get on the phone and call pax! LOL

by SK23 on Jun 14, 2008 8:50 PM CDT   0 recs

Awesome.

I’ll drink to that.

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