Tall Tales of Deng and Thomas at IMG Academy
I emailed IMG Exec Director (and ESPN analyst) David Thorpe about this photo of Thomas and Deng at the academy asking about their relative height.
He graciously replied with more information than I asked for , detailing their experience there, and said I could share it with you all here. Commence drooling:
Both guys left on Friday after 2 weeks, and both will return again for lengthier stays. 2 weeks is all I want to see NBA players for this early in the summer. TT will return before summer league, if indeed Vinny wants him to play. Tyrus told Paxson in April that he would love to play in the summer league.
These guys are amazing. Our sessions started at 10am each morning, but both guys arrived no later than 8:30am. Every morning. They had their own pre-practice ritual of warming up, stretching, shooting and dribbling. Then they participated in our version. Our future NBA and European pro players loved them, and respected their attitudes and work ethic. I'm sure Bulls fans will be very happy with what they see from TT, who actually improved in a number of areas last season despite the bad environment.He is deeply sorry for the missed practice, but there were serious circumstances involved. It was a far more complicated issue than what was known publicly. As Luol told me, TT had never even been late to a practice or meeting one single time prior to that day. I hope Chicago keeps Luol there: he looks incredible and is working so hard at being tougher to defend on the dribble, advancing his post game, and improving his range of his shot.
One interesting note: I paired Kevin Martin with Tyrus for an hour long shooting session one afternoon so TT could watch the little things Kevin does as a shooter/shotfaker. In the last 25 minutes, I can honestly say that Kevin not only never missed a single shot (that I saw), but I never even saw him hit the rim. It was a stunning display of shooting, but afterwards, all Kevin could talk about was how special of a talent Tyrus is. TT also shot very well, had his moves and fakes looking like a pro, and had such a positive disposition that afternoon. I told Kevin that TT is that way every day, as long as he is surrounded by like-minded guys. I believe Vinny will be great for TT, and I told that to Kevin, who responded with "then the Bulls are going to be really good again".
Of course, Thorpe's understandably biased in favor of his pupils, and has frequently included glowing remarks for Bulls players in his ESPN chats.
But I treat this as a feel-good Father's day post. Tyrus is sort of the son of BaB...or something.
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That is so incredibly great to hear!
Man, Thorpe is just the best to be willing to take time to share that with you/us. He alone is worth the cost of Insider.
I kind of hope Ty does play in summer league just for us to get a chance to see him.
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
by wjb1492 on
Jun 14, 2008 7:42 PM CDT
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Our summer league:
Rose, Thabo, Tyrus, Noah.
Look out below!
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on
Jun 14, 2008 8:39 PM CDT
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Pretty sweet if they get alot of PT together :D
before the season. Could develop some nice and important chemistry both on and off the court.
Incidentally this is 4/5 of the starting lineup I’d like to see us employ come november. The last spot goes to whoever fits better between Deng and Noce.
Good times ahead! :D
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 15, 2008 3:45 AM CDT
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By the by
Anyone know if VDN is going to be coaching the summer league team?
How does it usually work?
Seing as he’s a rookie coach, wouldn’t it make a whole lot of sense if he got to it as soon as possible….? I sure think so.
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 15, 2008 7:37 AM CDT
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Same here
it actually might be good for him.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on
Jun 15, 2008 8:02 AM CDT
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bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahaha
and Hinbrick is the best point guard in the league!
by Orlando Woolridge on
Jun 15, 2008 12:15 PM CDT
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um
there shouldn’t even be a question who should be starting b/t deng and noc…
by Jaina on
Jun 15, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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Nocioni should never start a game for the Bulls unless there is an injury or sickness
He can keep his grit and matador defense on the bench.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 15, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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A totally valid position
Please expound, though.
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 15, 2008 11:31 AM CDT
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Really?
How do you see value to start Nocioni over Deng? Please expound on that, because that is really intriguing.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 15, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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You also made the claim first.
And you got a response. Don’t make this some one-on-one-I’m-better-than-you discussion. If it’s a true “discussion of minds” in basketball, it shouldn’t matter who gives you an explanation.
Almost no one thinks Nocioni should ever start over Deng. arjoseph did a great job of explaining why the vast majority of the people have agreed. You should have given an explanation to your contrasting viewpoint first. The so-called burden of proof is clearly on you at this point.
by tyger1147 on
Jun 15, 2008 1:41 PM CDT
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Hah, here I was thinking that
people could think for themselves and perhaps even had different reasoning behind their viewpoints, which I would be interested in hearing. (Nice way to draw off-the-wall unfounded conclusions.) I guess I was wrong… My bad
What claim do you suggest I made?
I’ll save us all the time…
So my “claim” as you put it was this:
That the starting 4-spot should go to the one who fits better between Deng and Noce.
I’m awfully sorry not to be brainwashed into believing this is a non-question.
God forbid there be disparity and differing opinions on a blog.
Yes, I appreciate and enjoyed arjosephs response. It was well put.
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 15, 2008 2:11 PM CDT
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it's not the starting 4 spot
it’s the starting 3 spot.
by Jaina on
Jun 15, 2008 2:21 PM CDT
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If I had a different line of reasoning
I would have posted it. You’ve been asked several times to post your view on this matter, yet you say “I want to see how it plays out.” Well, why? Is there something about Noce you see that could make him a starting SF? I don’t and honestly want to know your viewpoint.
There is nothing wrong with differing views, especially on a blog. But, making claims and then providing no information or opinions on them is pointless.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 15, 2008 2:33 PM CDT
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Ok, I see that. :)
But how am I to know, though…?
It was never my intention to leave this question unanswered, but I’ve been derailed and attacked in a very time-consuming way…
I’m afraid my reasoning will not be as eloquent or elaborate as arjosephs…
To me Deng and Noce are quite different players.
Deng has his strength in the midrange as a spot-up shooter and off the ball as a slasher. He is not particularly good on defence and fades offensively when it matters. His +/- per 100 show him to be a positive on offense but an even bigger negative on defense with the sum turning out to be -1,6. Also there is the issue with the injuries and whether he completely has recovered from them.
Nocioni on the other hand has a longer range and can be quite effective from long range as he showed several times during the season. He is a positive on offense and a slight negative on defense with the sum ending up at +1,0.
I’m assuming a starting line-up as i projected above: Rose, Thabo, TT, Noah.
This is a very athletic line-up and should be at least adequately equipped to defend and run. I do not however see where the long distance shooting is going to come from unless there is Noce… As far as I’m aware Rose is not a strong NBA-distance 3pshooter and neither is Thabo. Deng has not yet shown to have develdoped this skill so until I see proof of this I’m going with Noce for that ever illusive and much Bab-loved word SPACING… :D
There it is! Lumberjacks: Chop away!
:)
By the by, I will be taking a much-needed break from this soon… I may be a dentist but I don’t want to keep the Swede in pain for too much longer… ;)
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 15, 2008 2:58 PM CDT
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You used plus/minus statistics from this season.
Which isn’t a strong argument. One year raw plus/minus samples aren’t predictive. Deng has had the better adjusted plus/minus this season, which accounts for her Deng and Nocioni played with.
In fact Deng has had the better adjusted plus/minus every season. And for the four years they’ve spent in a Bulls uniform, Deng has a +6.3 plus/minus and Nocioni has a negative 2.3 plus/minus.
Your characterization of Deng’s defense is also incorrect. Deng is regarded as a sold defender. Someone who makes his opponent t work for position and challenges shots without fouling. He didn’t show as much last year, but the entire team defense was broke.
Your also neglecting the biggest thing Deng brings to team He takes 39% of his shots in the lane and makes over 60% of those shots. The team needs his production in the paint. It’s a big reason for his strong plus/minus.
formerly sbulls
by Scotter on
Jun 15, 2008 5:32 PM CDT
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Like I said
I’m willing to see who works out the best.
And let’s hope the numbers aren’t predictive.
I disagree with you on the number of years that should be taken into account. Scouting improves with the years so you can’t say he’ll magically bounce back to his best statistical year.
I still like my #3’s to be able to shoot from deep, though… I’m waiting to see if Deng’s there yet
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 16, 2008 3:44 AM CDT
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It's not about brainwashing
Every PER-type statistical measure I’m aware of puts Deng above Noce, not to mention just watching the games makes it clear who the better player is. I agree that the point of a blog is discussion, but the concept that the better player should start and play more minutes does not merit an “expounding.”
by potato0328 on
Jun 15, 2008 2:49 PM CDT
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Don't believe that response was even rendered (better player)
I know, “expound” is quite a scary word… I was thinking about using a different one… ;)
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 15, 2008 3:00 PM CDT
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To be fair,
I think he was making the arguement that Noce is a better shooter
As long as Deng is a “slasher” which to be more honest, he’s more of an off ball mover who needs screens to get open, can’t really generate his own shot off the dribble-
But anyway, as long as he is that way, the argument can be made, minus point of who starts, that with Rose / Thabo Tyrus/Noah on the floor, you want Noce out there, because you need a shooter out there. Deng ain’t no 3pt shooter.
Also, Noce will take it to the hole when it matters, where Deng tends to pass it to the next guy when it matters….. So Noce has balls in his favor as well. Nice length on Deng though, looks like a hardworker, and great story for marketing. So hey, give him the start.
by iBurkey on
Jun 15, 2008 9:49 PM CDT
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no kidding
deng is the starter without question.
by swede2287 on
Jun 15, 2008 11:09 AM CDT
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Please expound
Where u from swede?
Oslo, Norway here :)
Too bad about the game yesterday… Tough luck… :(
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 15, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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I'll expound.
You must be new here, BAB-Bass, not to have encountered the many ways people on this blog have disected Noc’s value to the team. In short, he’s not a starter-caliber player if you’re hoping to win championships. A breakdown of points:
(a) On offense, he’s a gunner. He looks for his shot first, anything else second. Sometimes, this isn’t a bad thing; there were moments over the past two years when we needed some aggression on offense, and he provided it. Furthermore, when his shot is on, he’s got some range and can put points up in bunches. But that skill does not argue for him being a starter over being a bench guy; in fact, I would think you’d like that aggression off the bench if possible. That’s not to mention that when he’s gunning and not making his shots, he’s hurting the offense quite a bit. Since he can’t dribble that well (well enough to evade someone closing out on him, but not much else), and he’s not the type to be looking to pass, he’s a bit of a black hole.
(b) He’s the worst kind of tweener physically. He’s big enough and tough enough to play PF, kind of, if we play small-ball, and the other team’s PF isn’t too quick or too big. Otherwise, it’s an instant mismatch for the other team. Likewise, he’s maybe the perfect size (or a little big) to play SF, but he’s too slow, especially on defense, where he either has to cheat toward the basket, or be extra physical (thus comitting fouls or not getting to spots early enough). Deng is quicker as a SF, with more SF skills (both offensively and defensively). As a PF, Deng is even better, I would argue, since his being small is no less disadvantageous than Noc’s being small, and at least Deng has speed that Noc doesn’t.
Those are the main points. Noc was born to be a tough, occasional instant-offense 6th or 7th man. He can be incredibly useful as a role player on a successful team, but his deficiencies are too major and too amplified with him in a starter’s role. Especially if we’re expecting to take advantage of our youth and be uptempo, he’d be a drag. He does good things (bangs for rebounds, hustles for loose balls, and occassionally catches fire with range with his shot), but not enough of them. If Deng is working on his 3-point shot (which I expect he is, taking cues from the last few games last year and what Thorpe says above) and his physicality, he’d be about the ideal SF—kind of like a smaller Rasheed Wallace type, or a bigger Josh Howard.
by arjoseph on
Jun 15, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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I think the Josh Howard comparison is fair
Complete with disappearing in games after big 1st halves.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 15, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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Been hibernating...
And I’ll get back to you… Just waiting for Ozzie to expound…
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 15, 2008 1:31 PM CDT
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You want my elaboration
I will merely re-iterate everything arjoseph said, because that’s what Nocioni is, always has, and always will be for the Bulls. A gunner tweener who’s value is high when the team is winning because he can oftentimes light a fire under the team that often is too lackadaisical with his aggressive play. He plays weak defense because he’s too slow for the SF and too small for the PF, not to mention he tends to flop at the smallest hint of contact.
So, to sum it all up, you want to start a guy who’s best talents include firing up the crowd with his hustle and aggressive play, even though they are often counter-intuitive to that the team is trying to accomplish offensively.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 15, 2008 2:11 PM CDT
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Haha, I was expecting a reference answer :)
But that is quite alright. I suppose he covered it pretty well.
I merely said I was open to it. I would like to try both and see how it plays out…. But apparently that would be akin to a mass murder of everyones mothers…
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 15, 2008 2:21 PM CDT
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Ok.....
It’s mass murder to assume that the player who is better should start?
I am confident that if this blog existed a decade ago, you would have been pining for Rusty LaRue and Corey Benjamin to start over Michael Jordan because you would like to, “try it out and see how it plays out.”
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 15, 2008 2:29 PM CDT
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It's been an open tryout for four years now.
Gah! This guy’s the European version of Alec: “I will say something completely unfounded and speculative, and then be dismissive and talk about my profession as if that’s makes me an authority! Hah!”
by tyger1147 on
Jun 15, 2008 6:33 PM CDT
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Hahaha :)
Did you really miss the point that badly, or are you just trying to be a jerk?
I Mentioned my profession in reference to Swede’s pain… But you go ahead and draw your own conclusions from that, tigger….
I hope my 21 years playing and 4 years coaching gives me more authority than my profession… I sure think so!
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 16, 2008 3:30 AM CDT
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Hey, does that make them bloggergangers?
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
by wjb1492 on
Jun 16, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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BAB-Bass take a 15 minute break...
Read the posts and discussions on Blog-a-Bull.
Brush up on your knowledge of the Bulls roster, the NBA, basketball in general, “how to make an argument.”
It’s painful to have to listen to even insinuate Nocioni could start over Deng next season.
Then get back to posting.
by swede2287 on
Jun 15, 2008 2:23 PM CDT
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Or perhaps you'd just like a link to a good
e-dictionary?...
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 15, 2008 2:28 PM CDT
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Good call - you took my advice and stuck to the one-liners.
I’m from the u.s.
by swede2287 on
Jun 15, 2008 2:32 PM CDT
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Well, you're making me go all OT here
apparently I have enough on my plate already… Don’t wanna waste everyones’s time, you know?...
So why the name, then?
(To the others: I’ll get ON T soon…)
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 15, 2008 2:36 PM CDT
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You really think Deng is faster than Noce? I've NEVER seen Deng take ANYONE off the dribble.
Noce does that every game. Deng is long, so that helps him on D, but seriously, Thabo is much better manning up on D-wade, etc. than Deng. Smaller Sheed? Sheed is a headcase, but he competes, and if anything is too emotionally bought in. Sheed also has balls of steel. Deng is a member of the ball-less squad, along with Kirk and Duhon…
I think Deng is the worst kind of tweener, actually, too slow for 3, too thin for 4, no heart to get boards, shot not quite good enough to be a 3pt threat. Not enough balls to be a real scorer either.
He’s good doing the Reggie Miller running through screens thing- and doing cleanup work- but we can’t affort to throw a big contract at him- he’s to easily replaceable, and we need the big contracts for the difference makers.
The fact that anyone is even arguing about him and Noce, our beloved bench guy with heart, tells you what Im saying is true.
by iBurkey on
Jun 15, 2008 10:01 PM CDT
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Deng is a great rebounder for a 3...
if he improved his 3pt shot, that would make him a more valuable force.
I’m not sure who is faster – though I’d lean toward Deng. Deng is a much, much better finisher than Noc when he does get by someone.
He is a little bit of a tweener – which is why improving his 3 pt shot would up his value.
I love a basketball player who scores off screens – who uses their hustle and smarts to score on people.
I’m not sure what you were arguing – but I definitely prefer Deng over Noce. And I would like to see Deng receive an extension. I agree we don’t need too many big contracts for guys who aren’t proven. Because of that, I’m sure the front office will think long and hard about resigning Gordon (among other players).
by swede2287 on
Jun 15, 2008 10:09 PM CDT
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Noce isn't necessarily fast, just very reckless
Watching the game today Vujajic(whatever) reminds me of Noce a lot. Just a ton of energy all over the place, not always making the best decisions, tons of bad shots, but hell when they go in the place just goes nuts. Oh, and enough flopping, fake injuries, and weak 1-on-1 defense to make Jeff Van Gundy cry.
I like Noce, I think he’s perfect for a team that tends to be too complacent at times, but I would never want to have him play a ton of minutes unless his shot is on that particular game.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 15, 2008 11:46 PM CDT
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There are different kinds of speed.
I would buy that Noce is maybe marginally quicker on a first step when making a dribble drive. Deng, however, has much more lateral quickness, which makes him a much better on-ball defender. I would also bet that Deng gets up and down the court more quickly than Noce, although I’m just guessing; I don’t remember watching for that specifically in games. Whether Thabo is quicker than Deng, I don’t know; probably. We’re not discussing Thabo, though. (If we were, I would say his shaky midrange jumpshot and skinny frame-leading to less-than-ideal rebounding position when trying to box out-would make Deng the starter over him anyway.)
by arjoseph on
Jun 16, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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It's painful trying to read BAB-Bass' line of reasoning...
painful.
by swede2287 on
Jun 15, 2008 2:16 PM CDT
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How about you take a fifteen minute break?
If you’re in so much pain… I hope nobody is forcing you to read this blog or my posts in particular. That would be pretty silly…
Or perhaps I should just dumb down the English for you? Seeing as you ARE still Swedish…
Oh, btw, you never answered my question. Whereabouts you from in sweden?
by BAB-Bass on
Jun 15, 2008 2:26 PM CDT
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who are you, alec?
management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jun 15, 2008 8:53 PM CDT
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He's much smarter than I am.
I just have opinions. He backs his opinions up.
Now, the fact that we have some of the same opinions I find very entertaining.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
Jun 15, 2008 9:11 PM CDT
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I'll give him your email
so you can learn all about his playing career.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jun 15, 2008 9:13 PM CDT
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Uh, no thank you.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
Jun 15, 2008 9:43 PM CDT
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Today he has said that
starting Deng or Noc is a toss up. And that Duhon is better than Gordon.
The only way to back up those opinions is with crap.
formerly sbulls
by Scotter on
Jun 15, 2008 9:17 PM CDT
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and he didn't dissapoint.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jun 15, 2008 9:19 PM CDT
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ew, no.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jun 16, 2008 8:59 AM CDT
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Thank you David Thorpe,
Him and KD will continue to be the guys I most respect when it comes to writing about the NBA.
formerly sbulls
by Scotter on
Jun 14, 2008 7:48 PM CDT
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And they say blogs don't do real reporting
Way to go, Matt.
by The90sBullsRevival on
Jun 14, 2008 7:52 PM CDT
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haha
thanks, though I’m not sure it’s actually reporting.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jun 14, 2008 8:09 PM CDT
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You reported what Thorpe e-mailed to you
Move over KC Johnson.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 14, 2008 8:11 PM CDT
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Nah, this was far too clear and in context.
“Reporting” would look more like:
After spending a mere two weeks working on the many facets of his game that need improving, Tyrus Thomas, who will be traded this offseason, has left IMG Academy. Fortunately, Luol Deng was there at the same time to make sure young Tyrus attended practice sessions on time during his short stay. As you know, Luol is a wonderful and mature human being who devotes countless time to charitable endeavors. You will likely remember Tyrus as the immature malcontent who skipped a practice earlier this season. While he has verbally apologized for the incident, it is unclear whether his future actions will match his words.Has Tyrus improved his game? Sadly, it appears not. In one recent session, Kevin Martin drained basket after basket while Tyrus attempted to keep up on defense. If only Paxson had kept LaMarcus Aldridge instead of trading for this bum.
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
by wjb1492 on
Jun 14, 2008 9:11 PM CDT
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hahahaha----K.C. Johnson is a bad journalist.
I could really see him having written something close to that.
by tyger1147 on
Jun 15, 2008 12:52 AM CDT
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David Thorpe obviously needs to create an account on this site
Join the Tyrus Thomas bukkake!
Yes, that is disgusting, but go to hell I want Tyrus to be a special player, and only with the love and adoration of hundreds of complete strangers will he maximize his potential!
but I never even saw him hit the rim
Funny how that quote could be used to describe Larry Hughes….but not in a good way.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 14, 2008 8:10 PM CDT
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Thanks for the Father's Day present!
If TT really does improve, and we get Rose I’d keep the team in tack, including Hinrich and see what happens. We could end up with two all-stars, Rose and TT with a great supporting cast.
by chgobr on
Jun 14, 2008 8:35 PM CDT
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Sounded fantastic
but no word on the height?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on
Jun 14, 2008 8:39 PM CDT
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He said Tyrus was about an inch taller then Deng.
So you still have to decide whether you believe Deng grew an inch since he was drafted.
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by Scotter on
Jun 14, 2008 8:41 PM CDT
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That I do believe
because it was noticeable (to me anyway) before it got commented on in the papers. That means Tyrus has grown a good two inches. Hopefully, that means he’ll start to fill out now.
A 6’10 pf with great wingspan, a quick 40 inch vertical, and a developing skill set. Good stuff.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on
Jun 15, 2008 8:06 AM CDT
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up there
I emailed IMG Exec Director (and ESPN analyst) David Thorpe about this photo of Thomas and Deng at the academy asking about their relative height.
by halnat on
Jun 15, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Parental Advisory - Explicit Content
by Jivas on
Jun 14, 2008 8:47 PM CDT
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SOMEONE!!!!!!!
Get on the phone and call pax! LOL
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Jun 14, 2008 8:50 PM CDT
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Great.
Best news I heard all summer. I hope the next good news will be “and with the first pick in the 2008 NBA draft the Chicago Bulls select, Derrick Rose!”
Rose / Obama 08
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Jun 14, 2008 9:43 PM CDT
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Yessur!!!! Da draft is only 10 days away i cant wait!!!!!!
TT and Deng workin on their games this early in the summer i like dat hopefully that can translate on the floor next season with D Rose runnin the show
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
by YEP on
Jun 16, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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I used to be a doubter
When you guys said how good Thomas was during the season and how they would’nt let him play. After reading this and seeing the last few games of the season with gooden being out it makes me believe how great of a player Tyrus will become.
by knickknack7450 on
Jun 14, 2008 10:15 PM CDT
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Faith
I got it. I cant wait for the draft thanks Matt. Tyrus is a great piece of clay hopefully Vinny can get something out of him. i love that name matt
by TRiCioNeRo on
Jun 14, 2008 11:05 PM CDT
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Dude....
Im sorry that was my girlfriend please dont write me up again! That was her last time too!!! please dude
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Jun 14, 2008 11:08 PM CDT
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you should be embarrassed
that your girlfriend caught you on a sports blog.
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Jun 15, 2008 12:11 AM CDT
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Its rough
Saturday night and shes mad I want to talk about the best damn sports team. Because your the only one besides alec mentioned on a first name basis she thinks I have this man crush on you. Im just Chicago Bull crazy wtf. This post got me to get tix to opening night wherever that might be.
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Jun 15, 2008 12:53 AM CDT
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hard work
good to hear…honestly, i dont want pax to make any moves…. i know that souns crazy, but there is a good assembly of talent here, and with the fresh voice vdn will provide, the sky really is the limit. add rose to the mix, and the bulls are on their way. i have faith
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by CONOR6 on
Jun 15, 2008 2:43 AM CDT
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I still think we gotta get something for the Captain
if we pick Rose. But otherwise, yeah, I want to see these fellas playing before we make any moves.
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by MPG on
Jun 15, 2008 8:08 AM CDT
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i agree
I dont think that much is needed, trade kirk for either a SG & backup C or get some cap relief…Why not both??
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
by tyrus4prez on
Jun 15, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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If Tyrus finally develops then
the Best move is to keep Kirk as our backup point and get rid of huges.
by gman2849 on
Jun 15, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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Tyrus!
Man, this is truly great to hear.
Vinny should be drooling over this kind of work ethic.
Like above, I still would like Thorpe to come out and say straight up that Tyrus is 6’10 or something
by Option27 on
Jun 15, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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If Tyrus is indeed 6'10"-6'11"
Then you pencil him in as your starting center. We’ve gotta keep this guy around the basket as much as possible.
That means move Joakim to power forward, where he makes more sense anyway because he’s one of the best big men in the NBA at defending on the perimeter and off screens. We don’t want Tyrus defending jumpshots – just ask Kevin Martin, evidently.
Either way, I’m excited about this. Nice going, Matt.
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Jun 15, 2008 11:34 AM CDT
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i disagree with pretty much everything you've said here.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on
Jun 15, 2008 1:51 PM CDT
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So you don't think
Matt did a good job?
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Jun 15, 2008 6:19 PM CDT
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i believe he was disagreeing
with the idea of starting him at center and moving noah to pf.
by swede2287 on
Jun 15, 2008 6:25 PM CDT
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i was.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on
Jun 15, 2008 7:01 PM CDT
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Tyrus at Center??? u might as well move Aaron Grey to pg!
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
by YEP on
Jun 16, 2008 10:35 AM CDT
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Sweet.
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by 1958ChiTown on
Jun 15, 2008 11:37 AM CDT
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This is depressing
Not for the reasons you think, but because a simple email conversation gets you more info on a single player than an entire year of daily reporting from beat writers.
Didn’t any reporter want to know why Tyrus missed practice?
by NBA Observer on
Jun 15, 2008 11:54 AM CDT
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Agree wholeheartedly!
There was almost no press on how he was always on-time or is early for practices. It is a rare event to have a Chicago reporter come up with a story with something new and interesting on the Bulls. Thank god for BaB.
by chgobr on
Jun 15, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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When I came really early to a game last year
I watched Tyrus working out there BEFORE the press showed up. I guess they are not there early enough to see his work ethic. He was there with a couple of other players who showed up first mid-afternoon.
by cranscape on
Jun 15, 2008 4:35 PM CDT
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Reporters are inherently lazy
And they all wrote the “easy” story.
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by Jivas on
Jun 15, 2008 11:27 PM CDT
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No, reporters are more interested in giving players a bad name
It’s how they attract the readership of the general idiocy of Chicago. I don’t know if you live in the area, but if you’ve ever read the Saturday Sports section in the Trib where they post people’s letters to the editor, you would be amazed at how many people talk about how the Bulls are a wild team, in need of a hard headed coach to whip them into shape.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 15, 2008 12:05 PM CDT
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But...but..Tyrus's natural position was point guard in high school !
Now he can be our flex point-forward point-center, playing the 4,5,1,3, and if he gets his shot down, the 2
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Tyrus is an inch or two taller than Deng, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s 6’10 or more in a league that exaggerates height. He may be 6’9’’ or 6’8.5. Just think of how long it took to find out the actual heights of Charles Barkley or Ben Wallace.
As far as that picture, some other possible variables: I think I’ve read that a person is taller upon waking up (maybe 1/4 inch difference) and heavy training or running for marathoners can reduce height temporarily by another 1/4 inch. So did Tyrus just wake up ?
by KentuckyBullsFan on
Jun 15, 2008 12:26 PM CDT
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Unlike the 80s or in the case of undrafted players like Wallace.
The measurements of these guys when they get drafted becomes public information. Deng was 6’7” barefoot and Tyrus was 6’7’ 1/4.” Now add on inches however you want.
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by Scotter on
Jun 15, 2008 12:47 PM CDT
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Right.
If Deng didn’t grow, Thomas might now be 6’8” (let’s not forget, this is just Thorpe saying he looks an “inch or so taller”). Nothing to write home, really. If Deng, 19 y.o. at draft time, has grown 1/2-1”, then Thomas might now be 6’8”-6’8 1/2” w/o shoes. Putting him around a “legit” 6’10” in shoes.
I’m more interested in the facts of this post than the suppositions of the previous fanpost.
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Jun 15, 2008 1:15 PM CDT
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One non-Bulls comment from that email..
Kevin Martin is a heck of a player. He has that superstar ability of getting to the free throw line, which help him put up huge scoring numbers. He’s a fairly efficient scorer also – with great FT % and okay FG%.
But what is Theus thinking? He said that Artest was the player they would want to build around, not Martin. He also said he thought Artest was their number one option.
Artest is one of the best defensive players in the NBA, and he is also a hulk of a physical specimen. But the ball stops every time he touches the ball – he makes their offense so stagnant. Not to mention – kevin martin is definitely more reliable, less confrontational, and more willing to listen to direction.
I’d love for the Bulls to pick him up if the Kings continue to not value him.
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Jun 15, 2008 6:43 PM CDT
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he just signed
a 5-yr, $55 mill contract last year...so I’m pretty sure the Kings value him. What the Kings do and how Theus plays (or not plays) him are two different things
by NormVanBeer on
Jun 15, 2008 8:08 PM CDT
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They do value him,
but he was one of the best scorers in all the NBA last season.
But the coach definitely favors Artest as a player – and has said that he’s the foundation of the team more or less. I just find that unwise because of who Artest is as a player – his often selfish play, and selfish attitudes and actions off the court.
But hey – it’s whatever. I just like Martin’s game and am surprised he doesn’t get more love from his team.
by swede2287 on
Jun 15, 2008 9:21 PM CDT
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Could be just one of those things coaches say, too.
I’ve never really heard anything to suggest that Kevin Martin is high maintenance, but Artest is…unique? It might not work well to come out and say they’re building around Martin, but it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re undervaluing him.
I’d put it in the same category as all those coach comments about everything Ben Wallace contributed, kind of a necessary to keep him happy thing so the locker room didn’t implode.
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
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Jun 15, 2008 8:22 PM CDT
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Agree 100%
Helps to manage Artest, for however much longer he’ll be on the team.
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by Jivas on
Jun 15, 2008 11:28 PM CDT
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I thought Theus was just trying to light a fire under Martin
He wants him to be more aggressive. I don’t know if Theus’ method was the best way to get that point across. Especially when making it through the media.
by NBA Observer on
Jun 15, 2008 11:54 PM CDT
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Artest & Martin
Here’s what happened. Theus was discussing that Artest was the only guy that you could get the ball to, meaning (at least according to Theus) that he was the only guy that you could feed in the post that would draw a double team that you could pass out of. Brad Miller, Mikki Moore, Spencer Hawes, none of those guys draw doubles. But Theus’ statement was a bit vague and Martin took exception to it (this all happened after the season, by the way). This has since been ironed out. It should also be noted that Artest and Martin are very big fans of each other and enjoy playing together.
Not comparing the two, but the last two players to average nine free throws a game and shoot at least 40% from three for a season are Kevin Martin and Michael Jordan. We love the kid here in Sacramento.
11 days and counting unti D. Rose (?) – this has got to be so cool for you guys.
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Jun 16, 2008 12:13 AM CDT
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Thanks
I had unplugged from the story so your summary of reconciliation is helpful. Theus is just very surprising as a head coach. I thought the King had about the best season they could while playing with a wounded roster all season long in the very competitive Western Conference.
by NBA Observer on
Jun 16, 2008 8:03 AM CDT
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Agreed
He made some rookie mistakes during some games (and I was surprised that a veteran bench coach was not hired as an assistant), but it was his candor with the press that was both refreshing and problematic last year, as he had dust ups with a couple of players. Live and learn.
He got 38 wins out of a team that was only completely healthy for about a dozen games. Artest, Miller, Martin and Bibby/Udrih only played a few games together. The team played their arse off in all but about two or three games. If VDN can get the same level of effort out of your young and talented core, it’s going to be fun to be a Bulls fan this year.
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by section214 on
Jun 16, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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Martin
I would trade all of our SGs for Kevin Martin. I think he averages more FTAs than the entire Bulls roster.
by peruvianidol on
Jun 16, 2008 2:23 PM CDT
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Height??
I just realized that, while this reply was very generous with information, it neglects to answer the original question! How tall is Tyrus?!
I heard Roy Hibbert's workout is scheduled for next week.
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Jun 16, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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click the links up there.
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Jun 16, 2008 12:55 PM CDT
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My bad
I assumed that linked to the original question, not the answer.
I heard Roy Hibbert's workout is scheduled for next week.
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Jun 16, 2008 4:04 PM CDT
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considering how many people asked
I’ll assume I didn’t do a good enough job of explaining it.
So, my bad.
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Jun 16, 2008 4:19 PM CDT
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I love hearing about Tyrus' work ethic and potential development...
I was just reading a ‘Chicago Bull Draft Preview’ on RealGM.com.
They listed the 2 greatest areas of improvement for the Bulls offseason:
1) Upgrade at point guard.....the Bulls love to shoot the outside shot. A playmaking point guard that can break down the defense and find the open man would do wonders for our jumpshooting team.
2) Interior Scoring....For the last few years, talk has been that the Bulls need a quality big man who can give them interior scoring. Trading Ben for Gooden gave us more offense from our big men. But Gooden often played away from the hoop and wasn’t a true factor in the post.
I feel that we very well may address RealGM’s first need for improvement. Drafting Rose will give us a physical, quick point guard who can break down a defense and find our many good shooters.
But what about improving our interior scoring? This is still one of the biggest question marks I have regarding our team.
And I love to hear about Tyrus possibly growing, and definitely working on his game. But is he going to be a guy who can hugely boost our interior scoring? I know he can finish on the break (which will happen more if we get Rose) but it would be very optimistic to think he will have a polished interior post game next season.
With Noah – I love his energy and tenacity. But he’s never been a dominant interior player on the offensive side. In college, Horford was the guy with the more polished low post game. Noah brings energy, defense and I think he’ll be a valuable player on our team. But I’m not sure he will make a big difference in our interior scoring.
With Gooden – he has scoring ability. I just don’t think his strength is necessarily in the post; he tends to stray to the outside.
So my question is what can we do to still improve our interior scoring? Or do you think we’re set with the players that we have? I’m still partial to the idea of trading for a big man who can bring some interior scoring. Any players you think we should target through free agency or trade?
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Jun 16, 2008 1:45 PM CDT
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Noah's a great compliment to an interior scorer
He’s the perfect center that you can’t leave around the rim to help on the strong post threat. He’ll destroy you catching high feeds and putting them in the hoop.
I think Thomas and Gooden both benefit from having an establish PG, but more importantly a coach that with plays that are designed to a player’s strengths. For instance, you can get players like Pau Gasol going early, but you do it by getting him the ball on the right side low block. Once he gets into a flow he likes to move over to the left side low block.
I think Gooden and Thomas have a similar feel. You have to get them going. You run plays for them. When it’s working you keep going to it until it starts drawing doubles.
Interior scoring is important, but it doesn’t have to just come from low post bigs. Most of it should come from penetration into the paint, cutters, and finishers.
by NBA Observer on
Jun 16, 2008 1:56 PM CDT
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I agree
Noah is a great compliment to an interior scorer. He did it at Florida. If he had a very good interior scorer on his team, his value would increase.
I definitely think Rose would help our post score the ball inside.
But you think that Gooden or Thomas will ‘get going’ consistently with their post moves? If they could be consistent post scorers that would draw double teams, I would be thrilled. But that’s never really been a big part of Gooden’s game. And while I love Thomas and his potential development – I’m not sure he will be a player we can feed in the post and expect to draw doubles. At least not next year.
That’s true – it definitely doesn’t have to come only from our bigs. I think our interior scoring from our wings and point will be much improved (assuming we add Rose). Deng has also been a pretty good cutter who can score inside. But he wasn’t too effective last year when we tried getting it to him in the post.
So it sounds like you believe our interior scoring will be improved by: better coaching that will identify our current strengths at the post. And you don’t necessarily think we should try to improve our interior scoring through trade or free agency.
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Jun 16, 2008 2:08 PM CDT
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There's no glass slipper out there
Beasley is a low post scoring head case that an NBA defense will scheme effectively against to exploit his lack of height.
I think our success will come from Rose and Del Negro working to get everyone involved, but the greater success has to come from an aggressiveness to attack the rim. What D’Antoni did with the Suns was just to run offense before the defense can set itself up. Then he incorporated a lot of high post offense and a dribbling Nash all over the half court. Rose can do that. Thomas, Noah, and Gooden can all set up the high post, but the rest of the roster has to want to attack the rim. That’s my biggest worry.
Paxson wanted a coach with a plan to MORE effectively use our current pieces. We have good pieces. A good coach with a plan can make them great pieces. You can run BG around a double screen. You can have Deng be the first screen with a decoy cut to the rim. If the D sleeps on the play throw the lob pass to Deng.
The players seem to have kept an open mind about next season. They just weren’t impressed at all with what Boylan, et al were consummating. They outright rejected it.
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Jun 16, 2008 2:19 PM CDT
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Interior scoring next year =
a combination of Gooden, Noah, Tyrus, Deng, Thabo and Rose.
The Game chose him !
by Diabolo on
Jun 17, 2008 2:28 AM CDT
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With our current team, we'll be good...i'm just wondering how we can be great.
I think that our current roster with Rose will be a good team. I think we’ll be in good position to be a 6th, 7th, or 8th playoff seed next year in the East. But this last year has shown that NBA teams can turn their teams into championship-contending teams in a short amount of time. With some luck (like winning the lottery), some risk-taking, and front office smarts – it isn’t far off to think about turning a team into one that contends for a title.
I see what you’re saying about our success being predicated on attacking the rim. I actually think we could have some guys who could attack the rim nicely- Deng, definitely Rose if we do get him. If we don’t add someone who can score inside then our ability to attack the rim will be hugely important.
A common theme I see from great NBA teams with great NBA point guards…a big who score the ball and draw double teams. And these bigs do a lot of their scoring in the interior. Look at David West, Boozer, Amare, Duncan, etc. You mentioned what D’Antoni did in Pheonix – he had an elite big man to go with an elite point guard. If we obtained Rose, we will be a good team. With a good big – we could be a great team. I don’t think that we have a big on our team that will develop into that elite interior-scoring big man. Tyrus is our best chance of developing into one of those elite bigs – but I’m not sure if and how soon that would happen.
And I definitely think Del Negro will more effectively use our current pieces. We do have good pieces. Deng can be very good with a new coach. BG will score alot of points with Rose at the point. I think Gooden will be okay – he’s developed as a player, I think we know what we’re going to get. Noah will be a great contributor – but no goto scorer in the paint. Tyrus is a bit of a question mark with loads of potential; but he probably won’t be that go-to scorer in the paint next year.
I think we will be a good team. I feel like we could grab a last playoff spot in the East next season. The prospect of getting Rose has breathed life into this Bulls offseason and our next season. Maybe I’m a dreamer – but I’d love to see this team be great next season. And I still see one of the biggest holes to be our lack of interior scoring. If we had that interior scorer – we could be flatout scary. And we’d be set for years with a young point guard and interior scorer.
by swede2287 on
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that's a reply to NBA Observer above. frustrating.
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D'Antoni also did it in the year Phoenix didn't have an elite big man when
Amare was hurt. And they still essentially tied for the league lead in offensive efficiency at 111 pts/100 poss and won 54 games. When they needed to post someone, they posted Diaw. Points in the paint are very important, but the need for an elite scoring big men is overblown.
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by Scotter on
Jun 16, 2008 4:23 PM CDT
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Perhaps the need is overblown when you're setting records for most 3 pointers made
Which I believe is what the 2006 Suns accomplished by basically playing 5 guys who could hit a 3 (Nash, Bell, Thomas/James Jones, Marion, Diaw) 40 minutes a game. Oh, and they had Barbosa coming off the bench as well.
I agree there isn’t some absolute rule you need a back to the basket scorer on a team, but it tends to make life easier for a team like the Bulls, but only if the scoring big man is a good passer and possesses a diverse offensive game.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 16, 2008 4:38 PM CDT
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Here's to hoping
Elton Brand opts out. Sign and trade? Clips need a PG, we got one for sale.
I heard Roy Hibbert's workout is scheduled for next week.
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Jun 16, 2008 4:48 PM CDT
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I wasn't meaning to conflate the 05/06 Suns with the idea that
elite big men are over blown. The Suns are an extreme example and there are plenty of less extreme examples. I meant to merely point out that the Suns’s offensive efficiency wasn’t in any way dependent on Amare.
Overblown part was referring more to players like West and Boozer. West and Boozer aren’t posting up frequently and the offensive isn’t running through them like with Duncan or Shaq or Olajuwon. They’re mostly catching the ball on the move either from the pick and roll or on cuts into the lane. They ways they score in the paint aren’t that different from the way Deng scores. And Deng actually takes more of his shots in the paint than West, and gets fouled at a higher rate.
I do believe Tyrus can be a player that the team goes to for a postup/isolation play. His right handed jump hook from the right block was pretty solid last year, I didn’t think he went to it enough last season. He’s also going to be able to faceup and drive by most PFs in isolation if his midrange jumper continues to improve. He needs a reliable counter move to the right handed jump hook, but that will come. You don’t need the complete Kevin McHale post moves collection to be successful scoring from the post in the NBA. You just need to be able to turn over either shoulder and get a good shot off. Although, Kevin Willis and his T-Rex arms had exactly one post move and he was still able to be an effective in the post.
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by Scotter on
Jun 16, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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Haha
this thread is on the current bullsbeat podcast. Pretty good discussion here:
http://www.bullsbeat.com/bullsbeat_46.mp3
we have nice community for Bulls stuff, no?
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by MPG on
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I actually like his 2010 free agent plan.
Something like… “Rose, Deng, Noah, TT, Thabo, Gordon, and Chris Bosh… Just tell me how many titles were gonna win.”
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
Jun 16, 2008 11:01 PM CDT
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Superstars and Young Talent
Thanks Matt – these kinds of stories (hopefully accurate) of improvement and work ethic are key reasons why you don’t give up bona fide exciting talent unless you are getting an elite difference maker. While its hard to quantify ‘difference makers’, its instructive to watch Gasol and Garnett struggle at different points in the Finals. Gasol refuses to post up aggressively with any consistency, often preferring to face up or lay the ball up softly on the rim. He can’t be counted on to get tough baskets in the post at all.
Garnett simply refuses to take any tough shots – It’s been written about a million times, but its simply unfathomable that such a talented basketball player refuses to be anything more than a screen setter / pick and pop player primarily down the stretch. His defensive impact aside, I don’t see how either his acquisition (or Gasol’s, for that matter) would have put us over the top, given what we would have had to give up to acquire them at the time.
While its hard to put our faith in an untested coach who embraces the occasional malyprop, the players, as always, determine what kind of season it will be. Thorpe’s email lends some credence to the faith we place in the young guns here at BaB.
by Gene Banks on
Jun 16, 2008 8:57 PM CDT
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It's Phil Jackson vs Tom Thibodeau
in the NBA finals. The players are complimentary.
This is a ridiculous statement at face value, but the Celtics struggle mightily when they lose sight of their defensive game plan. They might be able to get a bucket if they absolutely have to, but you take away Thibs and this team isn’t stopping anyone.
KG is valuable, but you can beat him. He’s been beaten his whole career. I don’t care how many all stars you put around him. Systems win championships.
by NBA Observer on
Jun 16, 2008 9:10 PM CDT
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Ummm...
Doc Rivers?
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
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I think the omission is on purpose
Although Doc isn’t the greatest tactician out there, I think he’s got the respect of the players, and is a great “rah-rah win this one for Jesus” kind of talker.
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Jun 16, 2008 11:02 PM CDT
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To me that's just wrong...
He definitely comes off that way on TV (as did Avery Johnson), but I’ve watched Doc handle his rotation pretty well IMO. He gets solid production from role players in key situations (on offense) which to me is a product of teaching the game (this definitely applies to Glen Davis in the regular season and Eddie House in the post season).
I can definitely recall a game early in the season where Davis made some bone headed play that resulted in a foul. Doc was either mic’d up, or was near a mic, and as he substituted for Davis he called him over before he sat him down. The first thing he did was say “Hey you’re going back in so don’t get too comfortable. Now here’s why I took you out…” Doc then proceded to explain to him something about defensive rotation and after a few minutes Davis went back in and made a solid contribution on both ends of the floor. This was how he handled a rookie who was still trying to figure out his role on defense. Can you imagine if Skiles or Boylan were as patient with TT? Maybe he wouldn’t be entering his third rookie season next year. I’ve also seen Doc coaching Rondo during free throws in a way that Skiles never did with Kirk. Doc knows something about playing point guard in the NBA and he isn’t afraid to share it with Rondo. That’s his job, and IMO he does it well.
I’m not saying Doc is the next Phil Jackson, or even the biggest reason why the Celtics are in the finals, but to completely discount him and say that the Celitics are where they are because of their assistant coach (and then say it’s the system that wins championships as NBAO did above) is really a slam on a decent coach.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
Jun 16, 2008 11:31 PM CDT
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Watch the bench tonight
Doc takes his rotation moves from Thibodeau. Thibodeau will even stand up and go walk over to Rivers to whisper into his ear when a rotation is necessary.
This is at least what I’ve picked up from watching the Celtics closely in the postseason.
My reference to systems isn’t a slam on any particular coach. But, if I may borrow some Del Negro speak, is obviously what’s been put in place in Boston. You can look at the player additions and point to that, but factor out the names on the jerseys and just focus on the system alone and you see Thibodeau fingerprints all over the crime scene.
I think Rivers is an OK coach. He’s had barrels of talent before and gone nowhere. The writers made him coach of the year. Was he really all that great? He might get lucky and win a title this year and cement himself in the coaching ranks for good, but if he loses he’ll join the coaching-media fraternity of Mike Fratello, Hubie Brown, and Jeff Van Gundy.
by NBA Observer on
Jun 17, 2008 8:30 AM CDT
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How do you know Thibs isn't asking to go to the bathroom?
Or what he says at all? Or if Doc even pays attention? Maybe he’s just soliciting advice but chooses his own rotation moves when he disagrees… Like any good coach would use their top assistants.
Don Zimmer used to sit in the dugout and talk Joe Torre’s ear off for hours, but nobody is giving him the credit for multiple world series victories.
Does Phil Jackson deserve ANY credit for winning 9 rings, or should we just be talking about Tex Winter becuase he instituted the traingle offense.
Where does it end?
Bottom line, It’s still Doc who’s pulling the trigger on rotation moves, and it’s still Doc who’s calling plays in the huddle. Sure Thibs is a good assistant, but you should give Doc more credit.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
Jun 17, 2008 12:54 PM CDT
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Quote Seinfeld to get a Thorpe answer apparently...
From his chat, happening right now:
Brett (Chicago): You’re killing independent George!!!! What was your impression of Luol and Tyrus while they trained with you? How tall do you think Tyrus is? And they are coming back later in the summer right?SportsNation David Thorpe: (12:15 PM ET ) They are extremely dedicated professionals. Ty is 6’9+ I think, and very long. I think they’ll be back a few times, but Lu goes to London for his national team duties in July.
Nothing too new, but still worth posting. I like 6’9+.
"Me like to shoot much" - Andres Nocioni
by BNeL21 on
Jun 18, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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it sounds like
BG might be going down to IMG too?
Ben Gordon was rumored to be considering a visit as well. Luol Deng has urged all of “his guys” to take the off-season seriously and has encouraged a lot of them to join him at IMG.
by NormVanBeer on
Jun 18, 2008 12:08 PM CDT
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Luol showing leadership ?
and that he really wants to stay with the Bulls (with a new contract in hand).
Also, good to hear another Tyrus offseason progress love comment from yet another source.
Finally, Thabo seems to be good pal (they live next door) with Luol. No mention of him in Luol’s “his guys”. Maybe he does not want to go to Florida because of the new family situation ?
The Game chose him !
by Diabolo on
Jun 19, 2008 8:13 AM CDT
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