Did Tyrus Grow??
[From the fanshots. Tyrus drooling always has a special place here. -ed]
Check out this photo of TT and Deng with David Thorpe at IMG Academy this summer - I thought TT was about the same height, maybe one inch taller than Deng, but this photo makes it look like he's got at least 2-3 inches on him. Does a legit 6'10" Tyrus Thomas make anyone else drool even more about his potential?
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perspective shennanigans?
I don’t know. In this photo, you’re right, he does look much taller than Deng. Strange.
I’m more impressed with how happy they look together (awww)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2008 10:26 AM CDT reply actions
Which is why, when he hugs you...
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They do look happy :)
I dont’ think I saw Lu smile at all last year.
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
seriously
If TT and Deng are spending that much time together you’ve got to think their chemistry is going to be great next year – the only problem is I don’t see how those two can play a two-man game given their skill sets. Maybe (hopefully) Luol is really working on his ball handling and they’ll be able to run some pick and rolls. At the very least this bodes well for TT’s emotional state, assuming he and Lu are getting along well.
Umm... Deng is a great cutter and mover w/o the ball, Thomas is a very good passer.
Sounds like good complements to me.
he looks like he could be 6'11
he is still only 21 so yeah he could grow more….just add some skill to that frame…look out!!! whatever u done pax dont trade this guy!!!!
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
Tyrus with good footwork
will make him better than Amare Stoudemire.
by NBA Observer on Jun 13, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Err
When he can shoot like Amare and explode as well as him to the hoop, I’ll buy it. Until then, he is currently Hakim Warrick with superstar potential.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope
But I think Amare is overrated to begin with. As seemingly with every NBA player that appears on the cusp of greatness, he probably just needs better guys around him to get there.
by NBA Observer on Jun 13, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
There is nothing overrated about Amare's game
He’s a beast.
by RogersPark Kris on Jun 13, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Other than the fact
he doesn’t play defense. Sure he isn’t overrated at all.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
Doesn't play D?
This year he averaged 7 defensive rebounds a game (Tyson Chandler averaged 7.7).
He averaged 2.1 blocks a game (Only Marcus Camby, Chris Kaman, Josh Smith, Samuel Dalembert, and Dwight Howard had more).
This “fact” that he doesn’t play D is a lie. The guy is a beast on both ends of the floor, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 13, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Gonna have to agree to disagree
on Amare’s defense. His defensive intensity and awareness is nil, blocks or no.
It’s not something I’ve analyzed statistically, but between watching games and reading the available scout-y analysis…well, the circumstantial evidence is pretty overwhelming.
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How about the fact that...
He’s in the top 10 in steals for big men too, and remember Phoenix runs… A LOT! That means that when they miss long he’s running more than most.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 13, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
The numbers are inflated
Amare will inevitably have padded stats due to a greater number of possessions on both ends.
by NBA Observer on Jun 14, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll gladly tell you otherwise
The guy has the attention span of a 7 year old after drinking 5 cans of Coke on defense. Chris Bosh averaged 42 points and 13 boards against the Suns while Amare was guarding him. Howard averaged 32 and 20, and Al Jefferson averaged a 30 and 15.
He has exceptional athleticism, and that leads to big time blocks and steals. As an anchor of team defense? He’s horrible. Tim Duncan destroyed him last year in the playoffs that Kerr imploded the roster to bring Shaq in just to beat the Spurs. His own coaches admit he’s not a great defender and loses focus all too often. Maybe that’s a byproduct of D’Antoni’s offense, but I won’t confuse him for a big man who can defend.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough...
But despite the fact that he might have a short attention span he did still manage to play defense enough to average some pretty nice defensive stats (maybe thats more an indictment of stats I guess).
Chalk that up athleticism or whatever, but he still averaged 7 rebounds (on D alone), 2.1 blocks, and about a steal a game.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 13, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
blocks (and steals)
definitely don’t make a good defender. think ai or even larry hughes at his best – good for gambling on steals, but actually really great defenders? not really.
as ozzie said, amare’s athleticism helps him get those blocks (same with tyrus) but he’s not a good defender. on one of the posts about camby, i believe someone wrote a very good explanation about why camby is able to get blocks but isn’t as good a defender as everyone thinks.
Fair enough...
I’ll be the first person to acknowledge that stats don’t always tell the truth.
I just don’t think it’s fair to say he doesn’t play D at all (how’s that for a double negative).
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 13, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Defense has always been his weakness...
but he has vastly improved defensively this last year. And he will probably get even better defensively with Terry Porter coaching.
And he’s arguably the top 3 offensive forces at the pf position in this league.
I love Tyrus’ potential, but just don’t say that Tyrus will be better than Amare. That’s insulting everyone’s intelligence here.
Remember when he was drafted,....
everyone was calling him a Shawn Marion-type or potentially smaller version of Amare. Now, he may be bigger than Amare, when it’s all said and done.
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 13, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
doubtful....highly doubtful
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Bigger?
At best taller, and even that is a stretch (no pun intended).
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 13, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Pending dodging the injury bug
Tyrus will play taller than his actual height due to his standing reach and his awesome bunnies. Amare’s stil plays tall, but the knee injury is holding him back from his prior potential.
by NBA Observer on Jun 14, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Unless you mean Amare when he was out with a knee injury...
Then sure, If you add about 35 pounds of muscle, roughly 100% more hustle and work ethic, one of the best PG’s in the NBA feeding him the ball, and about 2 or 3 hundred more games of actual NBA experience (with quality minutes in semi meaningful games). Oh yeah, a decent jump shot might help, and a propensity to not commit so many fouls wouldn’t hurt either.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 13, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
that's true - c'mon people
Tyrus has a ridiculus amount of improving to do before he can be said in the same sentence as Amare. It’s just unrealistic to have the high expectations you have for Tyrus. I don’t expect Thabo to become Kobe Bryant. I don’t expect Tyrus to become Amare.
Tyrus definitely had a frame that
hadn’t finished growing – if I had to guess I would say he was 6’10. Last year he was already slightly taller than the 6’9 Deng. When he puts on weight – and he will, remember this is a guy who just stopped growing – he’s going to have ideal size and crazy athleticism for pf.
Do not trade Tyrus. That’s the only thing I know – Rose or Beasley, del Negro or Collins, I can’t be sure. Just do not trade Tyrus.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
That would be horrible...
Pax trades Thomas, and then learns from Del Negro or one of the coaches that Thomas is 6’11. Ouch. I doubt that would happen. Pax would bring him into his office to tell him the bad news, and then notice he grew a couple inches.
Tyrus: “Pax, why did you want to see me again?”
Pax: “Errhh, uggghhh…. just wanted to know how your summer was going. Yeah, that’s it.”
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 13, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't Thomas like 6'6" or 6'7" and skinny as hell as a senior in high school?
And that’s why he redshirted? While I’m going to “doubt” he grew, knowing that information, it should surprise us if he did grow.
I heard from several of my doctors that you keep growing until you're 25...
Tyrus could still be in college, and didn’t Pippen grow 5 inches in college?
This is really exciting if that picture holds true. Wow. And now he’s got a coach who will apparently help him develop.
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 13, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply actions
That's false
growth plates fuse at 22 or earlier. I’ve never heard of growth until 25, unless it was a hormonal imbalance. But heck yeah it’s exciting! (It would also explain why he hasn’t yet put on weight)
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I was wrong
forget it
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
It is possible for a man to grow at 25
But the likelihood is entirely unlikely. Most men will stop growing at the age of 20-21, although there are reports of LeBron growing an extra inch this season.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
that's a scary proposition. i wonder if he's a legit 6'9" yet?
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Bulls Web-site is really outdated now...
Deng is a legit 6’9, because they re-measured him one summer. But I remember during his rookie year, Thomas was at least as tall as Deng when I saw them standing next to each other in a game.
That said, the Bulls web-site lists Deng at 6’9 and Thomas at 6’8. That is definitely wrong.
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 13, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
I don't know why these figures cannot be accurate
Chad Ford is still listing Beasley as 6’10” in his mock drafts. I don’t get why it is so difficult for the stat people to get these figure right. They’re pretty important.
Throw in the shoe height. That’s cool. But Beasely still is just 6’8”.
by NBA Observer on Jun 13, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know why either
but they’re all off.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone ask Thorpe this in his next chat
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I'll try and get a response through email too.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks. That'd be cool.
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here ya go
“TT has grown since the draft. Though I do not think the picture is representative of the height difference between them. TT is an inch or so taller than Luol.”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Better than nothing, I guess.
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According to the Draft Express databases
Luol Deng measured at 6’7” without shoes, and 6’8” with shoes. Meanwhile, Tyrus measured at 6’7.25” without shoes and 6’8.25” with shoes.
So, reasonably/conservatively thinking, Tyrus may have grown three-quarters of an inch to 6’8” without shoes/6’9” with shoes, which would be exactly one inch taller than what Luol measured at a few years ago.
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And someone ask what, exactly, they are working on.
And specifically Deng. I want to know if he’s abandoning the post game and training for 3-pts.
Tyrus was only 6"1" as a junior in high school
It wouldn’t surprise me if he is still growing. It may just be the angle though. Deng has grown. Pippen grew. I didn’t stop growing until I was 23.
I was looking at a photo from my vacation two weeks ago. In it I’m standing next to my brother in law. He’s 6’1”. I’m 6’2”. But next to him I look 6’4” or 6’5”. It was an outdoor photo so the light may just be altering the capture.
That's pretty exceptional -
the growth until 23.
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I was wrong
forget it
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I was 5'8" when I was 18
I just kept adding another inch after that until 23. I broke my legs when I was 4 so the doctors said it may stun or just delay my growth.
by NBA Observer on Jun 13, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh... broke youre LEGS?
... what happened?
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Rural vacationing
Running around in my uncle’s backyard and fell into an eight foot hole.
by NBA Observer on Jun 14, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Could it just be that Deng is not as tall as reported?
Just a thought, though a growing Tyrus makes happy BaBers.
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No, I don't think so...
During Tyrus’s rookie year, I noticed them standing together, and the difference in their heights wasn’t as great as it appears now.
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 13, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Deng was measured at 6'8"
at the pre-draft camp in 2004 when he was 19. So even if Deng is still 6’8”, and that picture is in proper perspective, then Tyrus is either at least 6’10” or stole Kevin Love’s shoes for the day. I’m excited about this.
Is it possible that Tyrus
is an illusionist like Davis Blaine and was defying gravity for an HBO special that will air at a later date?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 13, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Tyrus was a 1/4" taller than Deng when they were
drafted . If Deng grew an inch to be 6’9” in shoes then it’s fair to assume Tyrus grew an inch too.
formerly sbulls
Tyrus growing taller is nice and all...
but what I’m really looking forward to is him growing up. Maybe hanging out with Lu will help in that department…
Just seeing two Bulls together off the court
is progress to me. Organization functions excluded of course.
by NBA Observer on Jun 13, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
There was a report somewhere toward the end of the season
that Ty’s attitude and approach changed after that time he skipped practice – that he was more focused, more positive, and putting in more time. I don’t remember where I saw it, but his off-season plans seem to be in line with that.
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
Hmm...
So the improvements from his first to second year – from making 20% to 35% of his jump shots, 61% to 74% on FTs, a 63% increase in assist rate, and a 41% decrease in turnover rate – isn’t considered “growing up”? I’m looking forward to more growing up – both in maturity, and in height (eeeeee!) – but I’m not altogether upset with the growth that we’ve seen.
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well he didn't grow up completely
but surely it means he does indeed care about improvement.
Naturally, being the only player who did improve something over the offseason was immediately met by derision from Skiles.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Hearing about his work ethic and drive...
is much more pleasant news than hearing he might have grew an inch.
I e-mailed K.C. about it...
I never e-mailed any newspaper writer about anything, and I chose this topic. Go figure. Maybe K.C. will do a feature on Thomas growing in a number of ways.
Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....
by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 13, 2008 4:50 PM CDT reply actions
K.C.:
“Tyrus Thomas, who will be shopped (with the 1st pick for Baron Davis), grew an inch in the offseason.”
um, right...
It’s almost as bad as this one.
Step 1 - Win lottery. Step 2 - Hire a coach. Step 3 - Win.
What?
..TT with the first pick for Baron Davis? What kind of crack is that? I would officially resign my Bulls fan-hood and maybe just give up NBA basketball for good if that happened.
Where/when did KC say that? Link please? (I know it’s not on KC’s “blog” because that only gets updated every 60 days…)
It was a joke
based on his renaming of TT “Thomas, who will be shopped,” and his suggestions of trading Hinrich & the #1 for Davis
if it makes you feel better
I (and undoubtedly others) got it. :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I got it also. Well played.
That Baron Davis trade suggestion might have been the worst I’ve ever seen in the history of sports journalism.
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Yeah, I thought it was pretty darn funny!
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
Yeah, that was good,
I still can’t believe he said “Baron Davis” in that one podcast.
He built it up so much, mentioning there could be a hypothetical trade, then tried to go on and talk about other topics, and then someone asked, “Wait a minute, the Bulls could trade the number one pick!?”
And he says, “Well, ... for example, ... I don’t know, but… what would happen, if, say… the Bulls could get someone like… BARON DAVIS... ?”
Damn, KC, you got all worked up, and built up the suspense for that?
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Thank you for explaining the "joke"...
I missed that podcast, therefore it made no sense to me. Anyways I’m glad someone commented and explained it for those of us less informed ;)
How dare you
Long 9 paragraph essay
Ozzie Montana
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be down with Mortimer being a regular here.
Dude’s posts are epic. They’re even longer than piccolomair’s, which I didn’t think would be possible.
And yeah, the best part is him signing his name at the end, like we can’t read the “by Mortimer” at the bottom of each post.
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Haha he/she/it is alright in my book
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Whatever it is, me thinks it likes drugs.
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Methinks
it has way, way too much time on its hands. I mean we all love our hoops on this site…but those posts…gar.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Those posts reek of someone on summer vacation
I could be wrong, but there’s only so many people with the free time to write Bill Simmons-length blog comments.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to know what Piccolomair's deal is as well
Dude posts a minimum of 5 paragraphs every time
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Heh
Im simply wordy…i like writing, and i tend to say everything that is on my mind at the moment, and try to keep it on topic. I dont intend to write long posts, but i try to cover what i think a reader will be considering or thinking of as i write my ideas down and thus end up writing alot more then i wished too.
I mean it could be worse, i could write alot of stuff that is either pointless, or hateful…i dont think i write such things, but i might and am unaware. So thats my deal, i hope it doesnt turn you off from reading my ideas, i wont type them if i dont think they arent worth reading.
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by piccolomair on Jun 14, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
write away
I don’t mind the long comments. It implies at least some thought went into them…which lately makes them ribbon-worthy :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2008 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions
it doesn't bother me at all. i just can't believe people take that long to write out posts
kudos to you, though.
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LOL
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think they're trolling.
well, maybe one was. but he got kicked.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
overreacting
this could have a lot to do with Deng’s posture. Maybe Thomas is standing straight up and Deng is slouching. This seems to really be grasping at straws to me.
thanks debbie downer.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
just trying to be realistic, if he did grow that’s great.
Tyrus is on tiptoes
another sign of his immaturity. :(
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Just keep your hands
off my straw.
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If Tyrus grew two inches
I think he could lead the league in blocks, 6’10” or 6”11” makes a big difference especially when he was just under 6’9”. With his quick leaping ability and wingspan ther’es no reason this kid can’t become a leage defense.
I almost forgot
The best consequence of his growing (if, in fact, this happened) is that we may never again be subject to the inanity of Tyrus playing small forward.
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You never know
Think of the length!
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather think of a outside shot!
but then I’d starting thinking about the Bulls drafting Beasley instead of Derrick Rose
If Tyrus is 6'11"
then forget about even playing him at PF. He’d be a center – a more athletic, more complete, slightly shorter Tyson Chandler – complete with the awesome point guard. Move Noah to PF where he makes more sense anyway with his lateral defensive ability, and suddenly we’re onto something inside.
Weight a minute?
He would have to gain atleast 25 pounds
Some say...
A picture is worth a thousand words, I would say this picture is worth not trading him away this season.
DONT TRADE TYRUS PAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
look what Chris Paul did for Tyson he cant even catch the ball….Tyrus has way better hands and a lil more athletic abiliy than Tyson…..they can very dangerous sooner than we think depending on how quick d rose develops
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
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