Did Tyrus Grow?? - Blog a Bull

perspective shennanigans?

I don’t know. In this photo, you’re right, he does look much taller than Deng. Strange.

I’m more impressed with how happy they look together (awww)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2008 10:26 AM CDT 0 recs

David Thorpe actually excretes positive reinforcement from his sweat glands

by hscs on Jun 13, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up 0 recs

I thought...

‘Stan” Shonwald did that?

Step 1 - Win lottery. Step 2 - Hire a coach. Step 3 - Win.

by Lt.Dan on Jun 13, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up 0 recs

Which is why, when he hugs you...

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by MPG on Jun 13, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up 0 recs

They do look happy :)

I dont’ think I saw Lu smile at all last year.

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 13, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up 0 recs

If TT and Deng are spending that much time together you’ve got to think their chemistry is going to be great next year – the only problem is I don’t see how those two can play a two-man game given their skill sets. Maybe (hopefully) Luol is really working on his ball handling and they’ll be able to run some pick and rolls. At the very least this bodes well for TT’s emotional state, assuming he and Lu are getting along well.

by kig on Jun 13, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

Deng in Bulls gear

Thomas in Nike. :(

by NBA Observer on Jun 13, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up 0 recs

Umm... Deng is a great cutter and mover w/o the ball, Thomas is a very good passer.

Sounds like good complements to me.

by tyger1147 on Jun 13, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up 0 recs

he looks like he could be 6'11

he is still only 21 so yeah he could grow more….just add some skill to that frame…look out!!! whatever u done pax dont trade this guy!!!!

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 13, 2008 10:41 AM CDT 0 recs

Tyrus with good footwork

will make him better than Amare Stoudemire.

by NBA Observer on Jun 13, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up 0 recs

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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by Illini15 on Jun 13, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

Err

When he can shoot like Amare and explode as well as him to the hoop, I’ll buy it. Until then, he is currently Hakim Warrick with superstar potential.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up 0 recs

Hahahaha...that's a joke right.

by swede2287 on Jun 13, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

Nope

But I think Amare is overrated to begin with. As seemingly with every NBA player that appears on the cusp of greatness, he probably just needs better guys around him to get there.

by NBA Observer on Jun 13, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

There is nothing overrated about Amare's game

He’s a beast.

by RogersPark Kris on Jun 13, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up 0 recs

agreed

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 13, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up 0 recs

second

by TRiCioNeRo on Jun 14, 2008 2:48 AM CDT up 0 recs

Other than the fact

he doesn’t play defense. Sure he isn’t overrated at all.

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by Rankdog on Jun 13, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

Doesn't play D?

This year he averaged 7 defensive rebounds a game (Tyson Chandler averaged 7.7).

He averaged 2.1 blocks a game (Only Marcus Camby, Chris Kaman, Josh Smith, Samuel Dalembert, and Dwight Howard had more).

This “fact” that he doesn’t play D is a lie. The guy is a beast on both ends of the floor, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 13, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up 0 recs

Gonna have to agree to disagree

on Amare’s defense. His defensive intensity and awareness is nil, blocks or no.

It’s not something I’ve analyzed statistically, but between watching games and reading the available scout-y analysis…well, the circumstantial evidence is pretty overwhelming.

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by Jivas on Jun 13, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up 0 recs

How about the fact that...

He’s in the top 10 in steals for big men too, and remember Phoenix runs… A LOT! That means that when they miss long he’s running more than most.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 13, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up 0 recs

The numbers are inflated

Amare will inevitably have padded stats due to a greater number of possessions on both ends.

by NBA Observer on Jun 14, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up 0 recs

I'll gladly tell you otherwise

The guy has the attention span of a 7 year old after drinking 5 cans of Coke on defense. Chris Bosh averaged 42 points and 13 boards against the Suns while Amare was guarding him. Howard averaged 32 and 20, and Al Jefferson averaged a 30 and 15.

He has exceptional athleticism, and that leads to big time blocks and steals. As an anchor of team defense? He’s horrible. Tim Duncan destroyed him last year in the playoffs that Kerr imploded the roster to bring Shaq in just to beat the Spurs. His own coaches admit he’s not a great defender and loses focus all too often. Maybe that’s a byproduct of D’Antoni’s offense, but I won’t confuse him for a big man who can defend.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up 0 recs

Fair enough...

But despite the fact that he might have a short attention span he did still manage to play defense enough to average some pretty nice defensive stats (maybe thats more an indictment of stats I guess).

Chalk that up athleticism or whatever, but he still averaged 7 rebounds (on D alone), 2.1 blocks, and about a steal a game.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 13, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up 0 recs

blocks (and steals)

definitely don’t make a good defender. think ai or even larry hughes at his best – good for gambling on steals, but actually really great defenders? not really.

as ozzie said, amare’s athleticism helps him get those blocks (same with tyrus) but he’s not a good defender. on one of the posts about camby, i believe someone wrote a very good explanation about why camby is able to get blocks but isn’t as good a defender as everyone thinks.

by Jaina on Jun 13, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

Fair enough...

I’ll be the first person to acknowledge that stats don’t always tell the truth.

I just don’t think it’s fair to say he doesn’t play D at all (how’s that for a double negative).

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 13, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up 0 recs

Defense has always been his weakness...

but he has vastly improved defensively this last year. And he will probably get even better defensively with Terry Porter coaching.

And he’s arguably the top 3 offensive forces at the pf position in this league.

I love Tyrus’ potential, but just don’t say that Tyrus will be better than Amare. That’s insulting everyone’s intelligence here.

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up 0 recs

Remember when he was drafted,....

everyone was calling him a Shawn Marion-type or potentially smaller version of Amare. Now, he may be bigger than Amare, when it’s all said and done.

Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....

by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 13, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up 0 recs

doubtful....highly doubtful

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by Illini15 on Jun 13, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up 0 recs

Bigger?

At best taller, and even that is a stretch (no pun intended).

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 13, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

Pending dodging the injury bug

Tyrus will play taller than his actual height due to his standing reach and his awesome bunnies. Amare’s stil plays tall, but the knee injury is holding him back from his prior potential.

by NBA Observer on Jun 14, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up 0 recs

As indicated

Here.

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by Jivas on Jun 14, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up 0 recs

Unless you mean Amare when he was out with a knee injury...

Then sure, If you add about 35 pounds of muscle, roughly 100% more hustle and work ethic, one of the best PG’s in the NBA feeding him the ball, and about 2 or 3 hundred more games of actual NBA experience (with quality minutes in semi meaningful games). Oh yeah, a decent jump shot might help, and a propensity to not commit so many fouls wouldn’t hurt either.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Jun 13, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

that's true - c'mon people

Tyrus has a ridiculus amount of improving to do before he can be said in the same sentence as Amare. It’s just unrealistic to have the high expectations you have for Tyrus. I don’t expect Thabo to become Kobe Bryant. I don’t expect Tyrus to become Amare.

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up 0 recs

what ever u DO pax...........

oops type o )

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 13, 2008 10:42 AM CDT 0 recs

Tyrus definitely had a frame that

hadn’t finished growing – if I had to guess I would say he was 6’10. Last year he was already slightly taller than the 6’9 Deng. When he puts on weight – and he will, remember this is a guy who just stopped growing – he’s going to have ideal size and crazy athleticism for pf.

Do not trade Tyrus. That’s the only thing I know – Rose or Beasley, del Negro or Collins, I can’t be sure. Just do not trade Tyrus.

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by MPG on Jun 13, 2008 1:28 PM CDT 0 recs

That would be horrible...

Pax trades Thomas, and then learns from Del Negro or one of the coaches that Thomas is 6’11. Ouch. I doubt that would happen. Pax would bring him into his office to tell him the bad news, and then notice he grew a couple inches.
Tyrus: “Pax, why did you want to see me again?”
Pax: “Errhh, uggghhh…. just wanted to know how your summer was going. Yeah, that’s it.”

Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....

by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 13, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

Wasn't Thomas like 6'6" or 6'7" and skinny as hell as a senior in high school?

And that’s why he redshirted? While I’m going to “doubt” he grew, knowing that information, it should surprise us if he did grow.

by tyger1147 on Jun 13, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

I heard from several of my doctors that you keep growing until you're 25...

Tyrus could still be in college, and didn’t Pippen grow 5 inches in college?

This is really exciting if that picture holds true. Wow. And now he’s got a coach who will apparently help him develop.

Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....

by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 13, 2008 2:30 PM CDT 0 recs

That's false

growth plates fuse at 22 or earlier. I’ve never heard of growth until 25, unless it was a hormonal imbalance. But heck yeah it’s exciting! (It would also explain why he hasn’t yet put on weight)

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by MPG on Jun 13, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up 0 recs

I was wrong

forget it

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by MPG on Jun 13, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up 0 recs

It is possible for a man to grow at 25

But the likelihood is entirely unlikely. Most men will stop growing at the age of 20-21, although there are reports of LeBron growing an extra inch this season.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

that's a scary proposition. i wonder if he's a legit 6'9" yet?

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by Illini15 on Jun 13, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

Bulls Web-site is really outdated now...

Deng is a legit 6’9, because they re-measured him one summer. But I remember during his rookie year, Thomas was at least as tall as Deng when I saw them standing next to each other in a game.

That said, the Bulls web-site lists Deng at 6’9 and Thomas at 6’8. That is definitely wrong.

Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....

by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 13, 2008 2:41 PM CDT 0 recs

I don't know why these figures cannot be accurate

Chad Ford is still listing Beasley as 6’10” in his mock drafts. I don’t get why it is so difficult for the stat people to get these figure right. They’re pretty important.

Throw in the shoe height. That’s cool. But Beasely still is just 6’8”.

by NBA Observer on Jun 13, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

I don't know why either

but they’re all off.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up 0 recs

Someone ask Thorpe this in his next chat

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by Illini15 on Jun 13, 2008 2:46 PM CDT 0 recs

I'll try and get a response through email too.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up 0 recs

Thanks. That'd be cool.

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by Illini15 on Jun 13, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

here ya go

“TT has grown since the draft. Though I do not think the picture is representative of the height difference between them. TT is an inch or so taller than Luol.”

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 14, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up 0 recs

Better than nothing, I guess.

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by Illini15 on Jun 14, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up 0 recs

According to the Draft Express databases

Luol Deng measured at 6’7” without shoes, and 6’8” with shoes. Meanwhile, Tyrus measured at 6’7.25” without shoes and 6’8.25” with shoes.

So, reasonably/conservatively thinking, Tyrus may have grown three-quarters of an inch to 6’8” without shoes/6’9” with shoes, which would be exactly one inch taller than what Luol measured at a few years ago.

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by Jivas on Jun 14, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

And of course, Deng could have grown a 1/2 inch or so.

He was only 19 when he came out, too.

by tyger1147 on Jun 14, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up 0 recs

We can only hope... :)

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 5:33 AM CDT up 0 recs

And someone ask what, exactly, they are working on.

And specifically Deng. I want to know if he’s abandoning the post game and training for 3-pts.

by tyger1147 on Jun 13, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

Tyrus was only 6"1" as a junior in high school

It wouldn’t surprise me if he is still growing. It may just be the angle though. Deng has grown. Pippen grew. I didn’t stop growing until I was 23.

I was looking at a photo from my vacation two weeks ago. In it I’m standing next to my brother in law. He’s 6’1”. I’m 6’2”. But next to him I look 6’4” or 6’5”. It was an outdoor photo so the light may just be altering the capture.

by NBA Observer on Jun 13, 2008 2:50 PM CDT 0 recs

That's pretty exceptional -

the growth until 23.

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by MPG on Jun 13, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up 0 recs

I was wrong

forget it

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by MPG on Jun 13, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up 0 recs

I was 5'8" when I was 18

I just kept adding another inch after that until 23. I broke my legs when I was 4 so the doctors said it may stun or just delay my growth.

by NBA Observer on Jun 13, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

Uh... broke youre LEGS?

... what happened?

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by bullhockey on Jun 13, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

Rural vacationing

Running around in my uncle’s backyard and fell into an eight foot hole.

by NBA Observer on Jun 14, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up 0 recs

But look at the thickness

of their bodies. Deng looks smaller at the shoulders and neck

by gman2849 on Jun 13, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up 0 recs

Could it just be that Deng is not as tall as reported?

Just a thought, though a growing Tyrus makes happy BaBers.

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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2008 2:59 PM CDT 0 recs

that's what i was thinking.

by swede2287 on Jun 13, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up 0 recs

same here

by NormVanBeer on Jun 13, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

No, I don't think so...

During Tyrus’s rookie year, I noticed them standing together, and the difference in their heights wasn’t as great as it appears now.

Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....

by MouseIsInTheHouse on Jun 13, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up 0 recs

Deng was measured at 6'8"

at the pre-draft camp in 2004 when he was 19. So even if Deng is still 6’8”, and that picture is in proper perspective, then Tyrus is either at least 6’10” or stole Kevin Love’s shoes for the day. I’m excited about this.

by YaoPau on Jun 13, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up 0 recs