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Wheres Chris Duhon Going to Go?

Chris Duhon is going to be a unrestricted free agent this summer and it says that he will probably not resign with the Bulls. I think he was a good gurad every year except for this one. A lot of teams might want him becuase he would be a good backup point guard. Im guessing he will sign for New Orleans to back-up Chris Paul and becuase he does a lot of charity work down there. Where do you think he is going to go?

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Is that the country

or are you giving a one word description for the quality of Duhon as an NBA player?

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by snley on Jun 13, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

not far off

I immediately thought ‘Charlotte’ due to their ridiculous valuing of ‘local’ players.

Also, Larry Brown seems the type who’d value Duh.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe the Spurs?

Would he be a better backup than Jacque Vaughn?

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by Illini15 on Jun 13, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spurs and Charlotte work

I think alot of teams will call. He actually has pretty good value for a backup point guard.

by rb22 on Jun 13, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's pretty much the ideal backup PG.

Though I guess Pargo was pretty great for NO this year.

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by Illini15 on Jun 13, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ronnie Price of Utah as well.

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by Illini15 on Jun 13, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say he's better than Jacque Vaughn

not sure how the Spurs would accept one of their backups being the party-guy Duhon is though.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 13, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tim Duncan will bug eye him to death

Plus where can he party in SA, the Riverwalk?

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 13, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

shoulda

taken du instead of resigning vaughn last year, for scola.

yes, i’m still a little bitter.

by Jaina on Jun 13, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

if

hinrich is packaged and shipped off this offseason in anticipation of DRose, i wouldn’t mind seeing du back in a bulls uniform to “stabilize” the backup PG spot for a year or two at significantly less than $3m a year.

let the bombs fly.

by leeac on Jun 13, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

If Hinrich and Gordon are both gone, I kind of agree.

I guess Hughes could handle, but…uhhh…

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by Illini15 on Jun 13, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

the bar!

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 13, 2008 10:55 PM CDT reply actions  

He's Going to Orlando

I remember Orlando was really interested in him earlier in the season.
They’re looking for a PG to feed Howard the ball

by Edicus2288i on Jun 14, 2008 12:59 AM CDT reply actions  

If we're lucky

he resigns.

He’s a good back-up PG.

Hopefully we take Rose.
Keep Kirk (and the rest of the team) for at least one year to evaluate and increase the trade value of our players.
If we have Duhon next year it gives ut more options. Trade Kirk? Trade/sign Gordon?

Hughes, Gordon and Thabo are no PG’s and a team should have 3 viable options in case of injuries and such.

by BAB-Bass on Jun 14, 2008 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

lucky? viable option?

Sure you’re talking about Duhon?

by hscs on Jun 15, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

then you're really, really wrong

The Bulls can find a point guard who will put up an 11-ish PER for the veteran minimum. Duhon made nearly twice as much as the minimum last season. Lue, House, Dickau, Arroyo, Johnson, Stoudamire, and Hart are all unrestricted free agents. That’s the class Duhon is in, and I haven’t even checked the guys who didn’t play last season, nor would i describe anyone in it as “viable.”

The Bulls could trip over a 3rd point guard who can match Duhon’s production. They don’t need any luck, and they don’t really need another point guard with Hinrich, Rose, and spotty Gordon/Hughes minutes at the position. I don’t like the idea of Hughes playing at all, but his worst is better than Duhon.

by hscs on Jun 15, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm never wrong...

Not impressed by the names u mentioned. Either played alot less minutes or have worse +/- ratings. PER is a bs stat to messure a players impact on the team.

BG should NEVER play point and Hughes should never play…

So we need another back-up PG.

With the new coach and new high usage player in the #1 pick coming in I’m in favour of keeping as much of the team intact as possible. Thus he becomes the preferred option on back-up back-up PG.

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

That would be nice...

If only here weren’t raking in millions. His contract makes that scenario impossible.

by smash! on Jun 15, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really

There are no qualms over stashing Larry Hughes and his 12 million on the bench, never to be seen again. Kirk understands he had a horrible year, his contract extension doesn’t guarantee playing time.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then I guess today's opposite day...

because you’re so not right. HSCS nailed it.

Besides, we can always have our GM or new coach step in to run the point:)

by smash! on Jun 15, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

He didn't nail anything

Your suggestions for PG are quite intriguing, though…

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

what the....

who’s ever heard of a back-up back-up PG?

We don’t need to worry about a 3rd PG.

Duhon is overpaid to be a 3rd PG…aka bench warmer.

And you’re right, Hollinger’s wrong.

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Back up to the back up PG... Nevermind... :P

well I say we do. In case of injuries. I do not want BG or LH anywhere near the #1 spot. LH can wave his towel from the bench for sure. BG I’m being nice and giving him another shot to improve his overall contributions since he is a pretty decent shooter.

You lost me on the Hollinger thing… But I’ll take the being right part. ;) Thanks

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I also wouldn't want BG or LH playing the point.

That’s why we should play Rose and Hinrich at the point.

If we keep Duhon, that’s fine. But he will have very little impact on the team, since he will be our 3rd point guard.

Hollinger makes the PER rankings (which you just called bs) for ESPN.com.
And that wasn’t a compliment.

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

This year, yes.

Barring injuries… Which sometimes happen…

But next year we’d be in a better position to trade Kirk and move Duh up to proper back-up. (assuming he has proven himself worthy of this in 2008/09) Rose would get to be mentored a bit by Kirk for a year. (hopefully he can do this…) And we would get a year to evaluate how BG works with Rose and just evaluate in general! Trust me, it’s the smart thing to do…

Haha, I got the part about it not being a compliment. You apparently don’t have sarcasm and ironi in Sweden… :P

Oh, and PER is still bs… :)

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't trust you.

and it’s irony.

And Duhon has already complained about his playing time last season as a backup point guard. Playing him as a 3rd point guard would be a great situation.

I’ve simply been responding to your claim that a 3rd point guard is so important. It’s just not.

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

"PER is still bs"

I think it’s your turn for some expounding.

by potato0328 on Jun 16, 2008 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

There is just so much that it doesn’t measure. Mostly hustle plays and help defence, blocking out, talking on defence, moving and setting screens on offense, passing, inspiring team mates.

That’s why I prefer the net +/- per 100 pos although I realize it’s not perfect either and could be affected by having different team mates on the floor or a too small sample size. But given a whole season’s worth I believe it’s a quite good measuring stick.

by BAB-Bass on Jun 16, 2008 5:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Duhon will accept his role and take the vet minimum

than I say keep him around. He’d be good in a 5-10 minute a night role. I just don’t see him doing that though, so the only way we could keep him around as the 3rd stringer would be to overpay in both years and dollars AND play him more than he deserves. Therefore, I think it’s more likely that we end up with one of the guys that hscs mentioned above.

"Me like to shoot much" - Andres Nocioni

by BNeL21 on Jun 16, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

And who are we taking these

5-10 minutes from ?

Thabo (who already may have few) ?
Gordon ?
Kirk ?
Rose ?

Plus to give them to Duhon ???

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jun 17, 2008 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Those minutes would be a maximum

I would hope for a lot of DNP-Coaches Decisions. But the main guys need rest once in a while, and in the event they get in foul trouble, Du would be a decent backup to the backup.

But the point of my post was that I don’t think it’s likely to happen, and that we will need to pick up a spot minute PG from the veteran pool this summer.

"Me like to shoot much" - Andres Nocioni

by BNeL21 on Jun 17, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look, the main sticking to your point is the money

You seem intent on signing Duhon for a sum that may not be exorbitant, but still a good amount for a 3rd string PG, and in your words, a contingency plan in case Kirk goes down. My view is, Duhon shouldn’t be signed for more than the minimum because he is a minimum value player.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 16, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

i gotta agree

i don’t like PER that much.

example A:

Dwyane Wade Mia 2006 34.7 7.8 3.8 46.8 33.8
Michael Jordan Chi 1991 31.2 6.6 11.4 55.8 31.5

This is from PER.
I’ll still take MJ’s performance any day. Other stats comparable, but MJ owns Wade in assists (7.6!) and FG% (9%).

by Jaina on Jun 16, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

What the hell..

that didn’t work at all. Think I missed the close quote…

That’s from this article, where the statline is points, rebounds, assists, FG%, and PER.

by Jaina on Jun 16, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

There aren't enough of the stats there

to figure out why Wade’s PER is higher. Hollinger doesn’t say what adjustments were made for pace and the average player so it doesn’t make sense to use this as the example that defeats PER. PER isn’t my favorite stat. I prefer using Dean Oliver’s stuff, but it’s as good as any of the single number box score stats.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 16, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

it sort of bothers me

it’s almost as if Hollinger is cheapening his own metric.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 16, 2008 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that’s how you feel,

then make the adjustment.

If you feel Michael’s series was better, then re-weight the assist numbers (if that’s what bothers you) in such a way that your new metric moves Michael to the top.

To make sure what you’ve done makes sense, apply the same "new’ weightings across a broad cross section of players. New metrics are constantly being invented in trading.

There’s nothing that says Hollinger’s exact method has to be the best. In fact, I’d say it’s far more likely that, since he may be thought of as something of a pioneer, his stuff will wind up being rather crude in comparison to the refinements which surely will follow.

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by alec on Jun 17, 2008 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

not the method

but how he applies it. He knows and admits the limitations of PER yet sometimes over-sells it to make ‘rankings’ columns.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 17, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

It has become a problem in his writing.

More and more in articles he’s just ranking players by PER and accepting that order with no analysis. This is NBA finals piece was a prime example of this. He used to claim that PER shouldn’t be used to blindly rank players.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 17, 2008 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's why he's given big disclaimers at the beginning of his articles.

He’s got a great metric – it’s just not that insightful when he uses it on his recent stuff aka finals performances.

by swede2287 on Jun 17, 2008 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

what was worse

was that when he ranked the performances (not by PER), he still put wade first!

uh, no. no offense to anyone who disagrees, but no.

by Jaina on Jun 17, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I get the feeling he does these lists, as do most writers

In order to increase the number of searches for all his stuff on espn.com. These lists are always subjective and will cause lots of riff-raff between the posters on the site, random blogs will link to it and tear it to pieces, Simmons will write a paragraph saying how Jordan would mushroom slap Wade, etc etc.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 17, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN loves lists for that reason.

Every other feature article is a list of the best as something. It’s what his editors want.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 17, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

so what

That’s the price of working for a MSM outlet.

I used PER to ballpark a group of available 3rd string point guards. Bass created a straw man argument that we should all ignore, or ridicule. I used PER correctly, and a more in depth comparison (Dan Dickau v. Damon Stoudamire for instance) would indeed call for other metrics.

by hscs on Jun 17, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not saying it can't be used correctly

and it is a useful metric. i’m just not that big of a fan. of course that whole article was pretty crappy.

but yeah i’m not saying it can’t be used well. like anything else though, it’s only one side of the story. and i don’t like operating that way. and while hollinger’s actual rankings in that article were not only PER based (though he still put wade at #1), he tends to rely on it too much.

by Jaina on Jun 17, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

you can't compare plus-minus ratings if they play on different teams

It’s like a rule. I used PER to ballpark a bunch of unimpressive, flawed backups, and there’s nothing wrong with that. One flawed reserve shouldn’t be any more of a negative than another if they fill their roles properly. Plus the spot minute roles that many of them have filled before are exactly what you think the Bulls need. Duhon hasn’t done that, and he even complained about his lack of playing time in 2007-08.

by hscs on Jun 15, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know that! ;)

Not a fan of the PER… I remember the long discussion about this with you a while back. Let’s just agree to disagree on that one.

Did he complain right after the trade deadline when he suddenly became persona non grata without anyone from the organization talking to him? I think both you and I would be slightly miffed had that happened to us in a similar situation. I know I would.

It’s not really a big issue to me wether he stays or goes. I just find all the BaB-hate against him odd. He’s not that bad.

And like I said before. I’d rather keep most of the team intact with the big changes with the rookie coach and new #1 #1… (Get it Swede?...) Actually that could be new #1 #1 #1, but that would probably totally confuse you… You are only Swedish after all… ;)

:D

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

#1#1#1

I do not hate Chris Duhon.

He could be a good backup point guard.

But as the situation is looking…

If we do draft Rose, then we will have three point guards. Duhon will be the third best point guard on our team. 3rd-string point guards don’t typically have an impact. If we were to trade Hinrich – then Duhon could potentially be a valuable piece to this team.

I realize that you believe that a “back-up back-up point guard” is invaluable. That is where we disagree.

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly! This is what I've been saying!

“If we were to trade Hinrich – then Duhon could potentially be a valuable piece to this team”

Not invaluable, I just prefer to have it rather than not. And it’s probably not going to cost an arm or a foot to get it. So I don’t see why we shouldn’t try to get it. If he wants to go elsewhere he goes elsewhere. I wont shed a tear! I promise.

You don’t believe in injuries, or something?

Say Kirk goes down: I don’t want our rookie PG playing 48 minutes a game. And I don’t want Pax or VDN backing him up either… Although I do believe that is the next viable option after Kirk and Rose if Duhon is gone…

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeesh

Being 3rd on the depth chart would mean a reduction in minutes and money for Duhon (despite producing like a 3rd point guard). What’s so hard to understand about that?

by hscs on Jun 15, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, I admit it!

I have even more sinister plans and envision deeper and darker circumstances affecting the bulls next season…

I want to have a contingency plan for the highly likely event that BG sucks * also next season…

The plan is then to give him a towel (Any “Hitchiker’s guide to the galaxy” fans here?) give him a nice seat next to Hughes on the bench and have him cheer his team on while getting his 6 mil…

(OT: anyone remember him being interviewed during his thumb-injury about how he felt watching his team play without him? He said he was BORED!! I couldn’t fricking believe that when I heard it. What an idiot! I don’t even think he made a nice recovery from it…)

Where was I?

Oh, yeah.

The plan then is to slide Duhon into the 2nd #1 and Kirk into the 2nd #2. I want Rose and Thabo starting…

So there it is, the WHOLE story!

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

We shall see.

I’m actually hoping it doesn’t play out.

But how certain are you that it won’t?

(Apparently enough to call it stupid, which I have to say is pretty stupid in itself…)

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Show me the circles!

All my points are decent.

Unless you’re saying there are no such things as injuries?

And that you see it as impossible that BG will suck next season as well?

Both of which I suppose are semiviable viewpoints to which I am not privy.

But that’s fine. If you’re done, you’re done…

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah.

It’s just his standard cop-out when pressed.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 15, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Hughes should never play"--

Isn’t there some Remedial Basketball 101 we can send Hughes to, so he can un-learn all of his bad habits? Sort of like a big-man camp, only a non-big-man camp. Swing-man camp?

Actually, to teach him fundamentals, I wish we could send him to Europe. Maybe then he’d learn (1) outside shooting, (2) how to play within a system, whether it be pick-and-roll, motion offense, or any other system, (3) how to resist the temptation to gamble for the steal at the expense of giving up a layup, (4) how to resist the temptation to take a long, contested jumper early in the shot-clock…

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by bullhockey on Jun 17, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, yeah there should be :)

If I had more time, Id’ be willing to mentor him myself, but alas (thankfully…) I have not…

To me this is the coach’s job. You make it very clear what you expect of him and the consequences if he cannot come through.

I’ve had alot of coaches over the years and could praticularly recommend one. Very good at defining roles and getting players to buy into the system. Not shockingly he presided over our most successful seasons.

by BAB-Bass on Jun 17, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oddly you think he would have picked up these talents

Like in the 9 freaking seasons he’s been in the league. I wish we could trade Larry Hughes for Chris Mihm and DJ Mbenga.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 17, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carlos Arroyo is a UFA?

Hot damn I always liked him in Detroit. Eddie House could be picked up for a 1 year gunner’s contract, and he’s that kind of “intangibles” guy that tries to get the players all pumped up and whatnot.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

He plays zero defense though.

Dooling got more time than him at Orlando.

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Duhon is a superior defender to those names

Du would be an ideal backup PG on this team. The problems being how much he’ll ask for and how much playing time he thinks he deserves. I think Du overvalues himself a bit similar to what BG seems to have done. Not saying the quality of their play itself is overvalued, but more in terms of lower of cost or market.

This all assumes that Kirk is dealt.

by messwiththebull on Jun 15, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree he could be a good backup PG

assuming Kirk is dealt. I’m not sure that will happen.

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

He shouldn't be dealt.

At least not this year.

We would get 60 cents on the dollar or even less.

And then we have no back-up to the back-up… which is nice to have…

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

they're all flawed

I couldn’t tell you who the best defenders are in that group, but Duhon is a hardly a stopper. He’s small, and slow. There’s only so much he can do, and he can’t flop anymore.

All of these players are bad. It’s trading one set of weaknesses for another, only the new set may make a shot every once in a while, won’t be taking a pay cut, and will be able to handle playing a low amount of minutes.

by hscs on Jun 15, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, Don't forget that

Duhon has ONE game per year like the GS-game… ;)

That has to count in his favour. :)

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really, it doesn't

I’d much rather have Eddie House, a defensive liability, but a guy who can instantly catch fire coming off the bench, something that is huge for a team that is offensively challenged like the Bulls. The only positive trait of Duhon is that he can throw a nice alley-oop. Since he doesn’t play on the Suns, Hornets, or Nuggets where alley-oops count as a normal offensive possession, he doesn’t offer much to this team.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, that was ironi... Jesus, what's with you people today!?

Ok, I guess we just have a profound difference in basketball philosophy then cause I would rather have the team-oriented defensive, get-other-players-involved kind of player.

It sure is a hell of alot more fun to play with players like these… I am one, I should know… ;)

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we do differ

I like a basketball roster to be full of players that don’t suck at basketball. Duhon’s been on this team for 4 seasons, he doesn’t provide much other than a band-aid relief at the PG spot. I thought people would be happy to move away from Skiles small ball, but instead I’m hearing such vociferous defense of a player that would not crack the top 10 rotation on any playoff team this year.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

In reference to your first sentence:

How does that go together with your love for BG…?

He doesn’t need to provide anything but that. He’s basically a part of the contingency plan detailed above.

I’m no fan of small ball. Pin that tail somewhere else.

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't love BG

I do think he is superior at basketball than Duhon. I dunno, maybe all those 4th quarter scoring outbursts are just selfish basketball.

If Duhon is willing to come back for the absolute minimum he is able to get, then fine. He doesn’t deserve millions of dollars to be the backup to the backup PG.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know:

Replace Duhon with BG in that last sentence and you’ve got my excact sentiments on the highly overrated one-dimensional one.

I’m sure Duhon could trip on his face and turn the ball over more with a little practise, though so he may yet be as “good” as BG…

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just one of many of your absurd points today.

Seriously you’re insulting everyone’s intelligence…stick to the one-liners.

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd love to talk more about the original thread topics...

but i’ve got hung up when you’ve said things like:

- you said it's a tossup whether Deng or Noc start at the 3.

- you said a 3rd point guard is a valuable piece to a franchise, and we need Duhon in that spot.

That’s fine if you have a different opinion – but it’d be nice if you give some evidence, reasons to back up your outlandish claims. It makes for more interesting debate – but you don’t do that so it’s close to impossible to talk with you.

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

(edit)

you said it’s a tossup whether Deng or Noc should start at the 3 spot.

by swede2287 on Jun 15, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're taking things out of context

Just go back to the original postings and read them again. I’ll prescribe something for your pain if it gets too bad…

Deng-Noce tossup – covered in another thread

Why I’d like to resign Duhon for the right price: also covered.

I said I’d PREFER to have three options for PG… Jeese, I’ve been over this! Just read the posts again.

by BAB-Bass on Jun 16, 2008 5:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shockingly

Ben Gordon is the best option at SG we have, Chris Duhon is not at PG. The magical Thabo Sefolosha and his unicorn blood still was ok at offense last season. I am confident he will improve his ability to shoot, and to use his athleticism to get to the hoop more. But, at this time he possesses less value at the starting SG than as a backup, defensive oriented guard. Crazy as it sounds, it is oftentimes good to keep a guy like Thabo on the bench, because we could use his aggressive D on starters who have played more minutes, tiring them out.

Fine me 1 GM, scout, bum on the street that values a 3rd string backup PG who’s best quality is being absurdly mediocre at every facet of the game over a guy who despite the lack of height is still able to score 18-20 points consistently against NBA competition.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know, Ozzie?

I think we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree.

BG’s defensive deficiencies outway his offensive output. I am however all for this fact changing so at least we can agree on that.

BG and Duhon shouldn’t really be in the same discussion. Two positions, two different players.

And I’m sorry, I’m not in a position to fine GM’s, scouts or bums on the street…

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Irony alert

Being a dick about somebody else misspelling something while simultaneously using “outway” (a made-up pseudo-word) in the place of “outweigh” is pretty awesome.

by Petor on Jun 16, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus

fine instead of find was not even a misspelling but rather a mis-typing.

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jun 17, 2008 4:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I never said I was smart... I said I was never wrong... ;)

And English is not my native tounge.

But I DO know the difference between there, their and they’re and your and you’re unlike alot of people on this blog…

But that doesn’t make me smart…

by BAB-Bass on Jun 16, 2008 5:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok...

I propose to you that the only players on this current squad that should be playing PG is:

Rose (hopefully), Hinrich and Duhon.

I also believe that a team should have at least 3 PG’s.

So what do you suggest we do?

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Furthermore

He would be cheap and give us more options in what to do regarding BG and Kirk next year. Assuming BG signs the QO…

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Change the attitude about having to carry 3 PG's.

That’s the easiest thing to do. There’s no reason to carry 3 on a 12-man roster when the 3rd one can’t play any other position. The point is: if Hinrich or Rose get hurt for B) a short time, then you use the other guys to cover it since the Bulls probably aren’t looking to win 50+ games next year anyway, or B) for a long time, then the guy the Bulls could get from the D-League or off the waiver wire aren’t considerably worse than Duhon (he might not be that bad, but he’s certainly not that good).

From a GM’s standpoint, keeping Duhon around on the 12-man as a 3rd PG-who-does-nothing-well-except-defend-and-not-turn-the-ball-over, w/ the already clusterfuck that is the back-court is the absolutely worst thing possible to do. That’s like giving a $40 mil contract to a 7th-man, back-up SF/PF… Oh. :-(

by tyger1147 on Jun 15, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

What can I say...

I’m a point guard myself…

We’re quite important people… ;)

:D

by BAB-Bass on Jun 15, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

jeez, just go away.

you’ve acted like a bigger jerkoff here in 24 hours than most do in months.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 15, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know

you’d think that the owner of a sports-blog would be more open to having differing opinions and some humour on it…

And you’re not coming off as very friendly…

And that statement is just silly

by BAB-Bass on Jun 16, 2008 5:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I apologize

for your ‘predeceived’ notions.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 16, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good one, Matt.

Make a play on words to an English as a second language commenter.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 16, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

you mean yourself, right?

(it was a VDN malaprop joke.)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 16, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good one, Matt.

Make a VDN malaprop joke to an English as a second language commenter.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 16, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're still talking about yourself, right?

I have to dumb things down for you?

English is first language here. Alright, maybe second behind ‘sass’.

Your language of ‘constant annoying bullshit’ isn’t as accepted.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 16, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Alec. :)

But I got the predeceived/preconceived wordplay that he ripped off from VDN’s press conference…

I was just going to ignore it cause I found it lame…

:)

by BAB-Bass on Jun 17, 2008 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

of course it was lame

Alec had to make it even worse. But isn’t that his golden touch….

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 17, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

good point

I still think Duhon would be good in SA. Jauqe vaugnnh sucks

by knickknack7450 on Jun 14, 2008 10:18 PM CDT reply actions  

"management sez:

...and click reply…!!”

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious."

by bulls*hit on Jun 15, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone else see

Duhon in a bucks jersey??? I think ideally skiles would want hinrich, but im hoping hinrich stays and duhon goes….just a thought.

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Jun 15, 2008 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I will do a rain dance to see Duhon play for Skiles again

Just imagine Duhon with a massive beer belly after spending a winter in Milwaukee, then Skiles inserting him for his “calming influence.”

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 15, 2008 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm conflicted...

As the editor of the Bench Duhon site, I want him back on the team so I have something to discuss. If Duhon shoots 1 for 6 in 25 minutes in a Bulls uni, I’m writing about it and running a photo of him in his “Moustache Rides $1” t-shirt. That same performance for the Bucks is not getting mentioned.

That said, I am also a Bulls season ticket holder and I want this guy to leave ASAP. I will take a few days off of work to pack the moving van. Before you get misty eyed over the Bulls only “pure point” (whatever that means), remember that this is the same guy who shot 38% last season (tied with BAB punching bag Viktor Khryapa), who is too small to guard anyone other than Tyronn Lue, who complained about his minutes as a backup and who blew off the team to party with fellow loser Jay Williams. Let me know what here is worth bringing back.

To answer the original poster’s question, I think C-Du will be lacing them up in the Euroleague next season.

by Stay Chisel on Jun 16, 2008 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

i suppose

you’ll be facing the same conundrum as heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com, where he had to decide what to do with the site now that the object of his hatred was no longer on his team.

that said, i love bench duhon.

by Jaina on Jun 16, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Euroleague might not be such a bad idea for Duhon

based on fellow Dukie and slightly undersized/underskilled Trajan Langdon’s career over there.

by potato0328 on Jun 16, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

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