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Vinny's verbal seduction

It was only a press conference, but in the scope of what a coach can say about this team, Vinny Del Negro nailed it.

He said the Bulls would play at a quick pace yet emphasize defense, specifically mentioned Thabo, Noah, and Tyrus as players he was interested in while with the Suns front office, and claimed he'd be a coach who'd try and work with the players to emphasize their strengths. Added that finding a qualified and independently-capable staff was paramount. He even threw in a bunch of hilarious innuendo regarding his interview with Pax (though that was likely unintentional). He seemed confident yet humble, and if his public speaking (and, apparently, interview) skills translate into coaching, he'll be able to reach and teach the players.

Paxson was a little less assuring. He said 'process' at a ridiculous rate (granted, VDN started saying it as well...), again mentioned how he felt the hire would 'resonate', and got a little twitchy when asked about the contract terms as well as the upcoming draft pick. But Pax did make some pretty startling confessions about how bad the situation was last season. That the players were unenthused and didn't play to their capabilities, and that was in part because of them feeling the team wasn't investing in their success. It was good to hear Paxson try and somewhat shift blame from the players, and admit that it wasn't merely a team that quit on their coach, but also a coach that quit on them.

It wasn't as much the tactics (there wasn't much on that front, unless 'play fast' is enough for ya) Del Negro promised as the style he'd employ them. Someone who'd listen and work with the players. That'd certainly seem like a welcome change, and while there's always the possibility that the Bulls just hired a pushover, I don't think this roster is the type that'd roll over someone who's trying to help. They only showed they'd lie down for someone who didn't help.

Del Negro's lack of experience is still a huge question, but I think while the players may initially question that, at least it'll be to someone who'll listen. Or so he claims.

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yup

i was very impressed with what he said and what he had to offer. it seems like that in this very little time, he’s already got a very good idea of how he wants to handle things. he seems to want to be an impact on the players too (talked about learning about them personaly and all that). and plus i love the mention of toni kukoc and the fact that he played with larry hughes in golden state. now theres some trivia. and props to paxon for jumping in about the contract question. so its not a 2 year deal. but overall im really pulling for him and hope that the players wont ruin his career.

All this Hinrich hate, is making me like him more...

by Yibs on Jun 11, 2008 11:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What is the deal? Do we know?

Because Paxson can say “it’s not a two year deal” and it can still be an accurate statement if the contract is a 3 year deal with the 3rd year being a club option.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Three things going for him.

At least with me so far.

1. He can communicate. That was a big problem the last few years. Hopefully connecting with the players and making sure they know their roles will help them feel they can succeed in whatever capacity they’ve been called to fill. He sounded like one of the account managers where I work and if he can bring that aspect into coaching I think it will work with players who were sending off signals last year about the lack of communication.

2. He was a player. Sure, not the best player ever, but he did put in time there and he did, by his own recollection, pay attention to coaching methods and form opinions on them. If he can communicate and taps into the right scheme for the team they might listen to him.

3. Clean slate. He doesn’t have baggage. The new rookie won’t. The young players were called out and will be getting a fresh start. Not sure what that means for Gordon and Deng and some of the players who have been around a while, but it looks like he plans on giving everyone who is still on the team by the time the new season starts a clear role to play. Certain people on the bench one hopes.

Things that worry me are his adjustments during a game. Is he going to pick up real time coaching fast or is it going to be rough? Who will be his assistants? Will the players shoot themselves in the foot and not listen to new guy? Will they walk all over him? What will the chain of command be? No more player voting I hope. Can he turn what he says into reality? Norm gave his seal of approval on CSN tonight so I should just go along with it I guess. :)

by cranscape on Jun 11, 2008 11:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gotta say I am excited for the Del Negro era to envelope Chicago

But, if any coach said he wanted to play fast I’d foam at the mouth probably.

I have no doubt that he’s going to have a ton of “What the hell did Del Negro just do” moments, but if he can at least be the kind of coach that adapts and learns from his mistakes, I will be happy with him for the upcoming season. Getting the team to buy into his message is of utmost importance. He can’t come across as a Skiles-esque hardass, yet he can’t be a pushover like many rookie coaches. In-game adjustments are so crucial in basketball, if Del Negro commits himself to studying tape and communicating with his staff, I think he’ll be able to pick up on trends taking place during the game, like switching defenders, making a substation, etc.

It’ll be really hard for him to coach any worse than what we were subjected to last year, so let’s see what the guy has in store for the team.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 11, 2008 11:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is making a substation

one of his predecieved notions? Sorry I couldn’t resist.

"Me like to shoot much" - Andres Nocioni

by BNeL21 on Jun 12, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew that you (Matt)

were a great believer in our team.

throughout all of your questioning, you see the bigger picture. Pax clearly sees these young players biggest issues as being with their self confidence.

I mean, come on we got a LOT of young talent. we won 49 games for Christ’s sake.

Pax picked up wallace and PJ to deal with Detroit. He knows how to analysis what this team needs.

and right now, this highly skilled young team needs to believe.

by gman2849 on Jun 11, 2008 11:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"outside the box"

it was a hell of a big box if you ask me … I just got the sense that Pax couldn’t help but envision Vinny D as the next Phil Jackson and that’s what pushed him over the edge to hire the guy. He definitely went a little crazier than Krause did back then (the assistant coach hire of Jackson was more bold than the head coach promotion) but maybe that’s what you need in this day in age. Experience? What experience? If Vinny had any coaching experience, he would’ve been inside the box!

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jun 11, 2008 11:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In Phil's case

He was not getting NBA offers because he admitted to drug use, and was seen as a hippie member of the counterculture. Most people had seen he would make a fine coach, and his coaching in the topsy-turvy CBA showcased that ability. Krause took a chance on him, but by then enough time had passed for the “hippie” label to not have that great of an effect.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 11, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Tex Winter also recommend Phil?

Krause always seemed to heed the advice of wise Tex.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My memory is hazy

All I remember from accounts is that Phil was ready to go into an other career, and Krause gave him a call to become an assistant.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 12, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To echo most everyone else,

VDN did as well as he possibly could today, imo. There’s still that hint of skepticism that comes with the no coaching experience issue, but overall after today I’m excited to see what happens with the team going forward. And I’ve now got a fair amount of hope that this could work out really well. I guess that means I’m lining up for the kool-aid.

It would have been so easy for him to blow the press conference – too much talk about accountability, any talk at all about needing a veteran presence, etc. I really admired, too, that he avoided any in-depth or negative discussion of any of the players, especially given he hasn’t even met with them yet. Skiles did make me laugh, but he was also pretty brutal on some of the players.

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 12, 2008 12:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the key is derrick rose

it was mentioned in today’s press conference, the bulls need a leader. that lack of leadership played a huge role in this hire, pax belives VDN can lead this group of guys, but more importantly, they must have an on-court leader. in comes d rose, and all is good. i am fine with the bulls struggling next year, as long as our young guys, plus, hopefully, d rose are showing improvement, as well as showing a sign that this group is going to grow together, and improve together.
I am excited about the hire, hopefully, some top notch asst coaches will follow

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on Jun 12, 2008 12:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

fyi

the draft is two weeks away. i am so stoked

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on Jun 12, 2008 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!!

It feels like its two weeks away from Christmas and you got a present under the tree(d rose) u shake it tryin to figurfe out what it is.. hoping and building angst as the big day draws near….Paxson can be the Grinch if he picks Beasely(even though it wouldnt be the worst thing in the world just a gift i wouldnt want) or trades the pick for Baron Davis(what was KC thinkin)...as far as Del Negro is concerned i think he will be good as long as he gets the right people around him

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Jun 12, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will sleep like a baby

I am comfortable and excited about the VDN hire and I look forward to this season. After such a rollercoaster offseason, maybe now we will be able to exhale with optimism.

by messwiththebull on Jun 12, 2008 12:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm curious to know

what he could have said to make evryone here NOT like him. To me he wasn’t that impressive at all. I also wonder what the reaction would be if the Bulls didn’t have the first pick. I think most people are just excited to finally move on to the draft and finding out who’s taking Hinrich’s spot on the roster.

I’m not trying to just be contrarian here, but to me it was a very nervous conference, all the way around. I just felt like there were bullet points that Pax and VDH went over prior and bludgeoned the press to death with them. Also, and maybe i’m nitpicking, but he just looked a little scared. I can just see that “Dammit! They’re not doing what I asked them to do!” face starting to form. He was ranting a little bit, like he was trying to prove everyone wrong right away, and just didn’t give me the overall feeling of reassurance I needed from a guy coaching my team for his first job.

On the other hand, he did seem like a really good guy and I am definately rooting for him to do well. The fact that he wants to play up-tempo is intriguing, but then he said he wanted to play defense like the spurs as well, so he could just be saying what he thinks people want to hear (everyone on this site especially). Overall there’s just a HUGE wait-and-see factor with this guy.

On one hand I could see him being the next brilliant young basketball guru, on the other, I could see him getting railroaded out-of-town by a team that won’t listen to a guy that’s never used a whistle before. I just think that with so much uncertainty around this team right now, they needed a sure thing. Instead this guy is gonna be the biggest question mark of all.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 12, 2008 12:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What sure thing?

Once D’Antoni picked New York, who did you see as the sure thing? I had major questions about all of the available candidates, personally.

And I guess I just don’t have the same take – I thought they knew they were going to get questions about the out-of-left-field nature of the hire and handled them pretty directly. Even trying to look back and see what you saw, I’m not picking up that VDN was nervous or scared. I already mentioned what would have made me not happy above, so I won’t go through it again.

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 12, 2008 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a huge difference between

having questions about a candidate and one that is just a question mark period. The guy has never coached before and he’s getting the Chicago Bulls as his first job! That doesn’t bug you at all? You think the Knicks or Lakers would ever even think of doing that? Hell no! Not to mention that the Bulls have a real treasure with the first pick in the draft, in a year when there is some real talent available at the top. So you’re saying you have no problem with the fact that the first teacher that this player (hopefully Rose) will have is someone that is trying to figure out what the hell is going on himself. I can’t believe people really like this move, there’s nothing to like! Either you’re OK with it or you hate it, those are the only real options, cause this Del Negro has done nothing as a coach to make you feel otherwise. And the fact that this hire was made because the cheap ass, meddling owner wouldn’t drop some coin for a proven coach is all the more reason to hate it. And every Bulls fan should be pissed about the fact that they’re franchise is being run by someone who cares far more about dollars and cents than wins and losses!

by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 12, 2008 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the options are so mediocre

I don’t think getting a question mark is a bad idea at all—he at least has a chance to be a good coach, where a Collins only has a chance to be mediocre and have the team coast along until the successor is deemed ready.

Mike Dunleavy Sr was a first time coach for the Lakers in 1990, took ‘em to the Finals. Pat Riley hadn’t coached before either. Jeff Van Gundy got his first head coaching job with the Knicks. Every franchise, big or small, has hired first time coaches.

Do you want known mediocrity, or the chance to hire the RIGHT coach?

Obviously no one can say whether Del Negro is the right coach yet, but you KNEW the others definitely weren’t. He’s got that going for him.

This is an important time for the Bulls’ franchise, and a fresh new voice is needed on the court and off. You get a young coach not set in his ways, and can grow with the team. I like the IDEA of the hire, even though obviously I know nuthin’ about what Del Negro actually believes in coaching wise.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 12, 2008 5:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think about what you just asked

“You think the Knicks or Lakers would ever even think of doing that?”

Who was the favorite for the Knicks job before they snatched D’Antoni? That’s right, Mark Jackson, the guy with previous coaching experience whatsoever. The Lakers had already done this when they hired Pat Riley out of the broadcast booth. So to answer your question: YES.

by messwiththebull on Jun 12, 2008 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong

Riley had been an assistant for several years. He was hired out of the broadcast booth – in 1979, as an assistant. I’m getting tired of seeing people repeat that, since it just isn’t true.

by Big D on Jun 12, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

I incorrectly recalled that Riley moved to coach shortly after Westhead replaced McKinney in the midst of the 1979-1980 season, but it wasn’t until the 1981-82 season that Riley became coach after West declined so my bad, I apologize for insulting you and adding to your basketball fatigue.

by messwiththebull on Jun 12, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems pretty clear from your comments that VDN could not have said anything

to satisfy you. You’re welcome to that opinion. No, it doesn’t bother me that the Bulls decided a personable guy with innovative ideas might be worth the risk over a know commodity with some flaws. I think it’s kind of humorous that you say there are two options – OK or hate it – but seem completely flabbergasted that any of us actually went with the OK-with-it option.

I also find it a little humorous that Pax gets so much criticism for playing it safe, yet gets a bunch of criticism when he doesn’t play it safe. It’s not like the Bulls advertised for the cheapest coach available and then limited their interview questions to how little the guy was willing to work for.

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 12, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what could've gone wrong

if the press conference was ‘play the right way’ doctrine with some ‘chicago toughness’ peppered in.

management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments! Click 'reply' when replying to a comment!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 12, 2008 6:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Said "Accountability" a lot.

Said, “I want to keep the game slow so these kids can execute.”
Said, “These players have attitudes that we’ll have to correct.”
Said, “Some of these guys need to quit working for themselves and buy into the team game…”
Said, “It might be prudent to trade the No. 1 pick to acquire harder-working guys.”
Said, “Tyrus Thomas sucks and he’ll never play for me.”
Said, “Larry Hughes is the awesomest ever, and will be a starter as long as I’m here.”

Shall I go on?

by tyger1147 on Jun 12, 2008 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you meet the one who says all the right things,

in just the right way, it’s love.

That clearly is what went on here (and the innuendo that Matt alludes to), with the two combo guards talking for what felt like a few minutes, then looking at their watches and finding that three hours had gone by.

The same thing translates to the relatively savvy media/fan audience. It’s not just that he said the right things; Isiah Thomas could have come in here and said those. (“I’d opt for great defense and a fast-paced offense.”) But Isiah would have said all of those things in exactly the wrong way, a way which would be colored by his long history of disasters. Ditto for Bob Hill or [name redacted, rhyms with Sheboygan].

Jeff Van Gundy or Rick Carlisle (or Doug Collins) could have said that, too, and we probably wouldn’t have believed the part about fast-paced offense.

And quite frankly, D’Antoni could have said the right things about developing young talent, and we may not have beleived that, either.

It’s not just that he said the right things, it’s that he said them in a way that was genuine and believable, and his own professional history didn’t raise an alarm that said “I’m lying through my teeth.”

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Jun 12, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

anybody notice

that VDN claimed he will have a say on whom to draft when Pax said during the search, well idk what the exact quote was, but simply: “no, the coach will not impact our decision”..?

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious."

by bulls*hit on Jun 12, 2008 1:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe part

of VDN’s hire was that he has a say in who the pick is.

by sue369 on Jun 12, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe so too

With vdn’s background he can help pax make a very good decision, he also seems to like the players paxson likes, or rather sees the same strengths. Paxson, i figure, hired him because he must have felt that vdn saw what he saw in his players and had an idea of how to get those players playing to their strengths or paxsons vision. He seems like a player development coach in that regard, and thus is probably gonna help pax pick the best guy for this team. I think i remember that vdn is gonna have meetings with each of the players, i can see them trying to figure out what will be needed on the team, or what would fit in the best and bring that kind of player in, and also find which players don’t fit in and try to deal with them (trade or just change what’s wrong with them)

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Jun 12, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you get a chance

tonight watch Sports Nite at 10 pm. They just showed a little preview of the interview with Pax. In the preview he is saying something like he told Thabo and Kirk this is their chance to show VDN their best. I’ll have to watch it tonight to see what the whole statement was.

by sue369 on Jun 12, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, Sue,

if you don’t mind could you throw up a quick summary? I imagine they’ll get it posted pretty soon, but I’m the impatient sort!

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 12, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pax was asked

about his coaching decision and he said if he had to do it over he wouldn’t do anything different. He also said he was never told he could only spend so much money on a coach. Money was never an issue. He told Kirk and Thabo they needed to get their stuff together because they need to prove themselves to VDN. So hopefully that’s what they do.

by sue369 on Jun 12, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad he is holding players accountable

Maybe now instead of spending all his time deflecting rumors as misinformation, he can get down to business of deciding what to do with Kirk, Gordon, and Deng. Unlike the coach, he can’t spend months dawdling over his roster.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 12, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks! :)

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 13, 2008 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanx Sue

Yet i feel no confidence, So now kirk has to go through an interview process (sort of) too….hopefully he is able to show the side of him that you and i, and wjb, and all the other hinrich fans believe he can do. Im still fairly certain that the bulls will go at least half a season with kirk still as captain and starter for the bulls. I hope he anticipates rose getting drafted and decides to work on his 3 point shot and his attacking the basket….i always like gordon and hinrich as backcourt mates but it looks like its now over…they are gonna end up competing for that roster spot…and i dont see it ending to well (i actually can see them both going as opposed to just the one…)

More reason to draft beasley says me…

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Jun 13, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know that it's

so much an interview process. Pax said he had talked to Kirk and Thabo. It might be that he hasn’t talked to the ohter players yet. There is a lot that can happen. Hang in there.

by sue369 on Jun 13, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If VDN has any say in the decision,

that helps our chance of picking Rose.

by swede2287 on Jun 12, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might be surprised

VDN likes versatility. Beasley could reasonably play SF or SG besides PF… Pax’s declarations that Beasley is a PF not withstanding

by hlac on Jun 12, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SG?

And I suppose you think Deng can play SG too? There’s no need to stretch the truth.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on Jun 12, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beasley as a 2?

Um….why not have him play point?

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 12, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give us time

We’ll turn Beasley into a combo guard in no time.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just thinking of a really funny

bit of information. You know how ever since the Bulls hired VDN, the “My Cousin Vinny” jokes have been flying around uncontrollably. Well, just think about the premise of that movie. Italian guy, in over his head, trying to be a lawyer, gets a huge case for his first job. Interesting. Sound familiar? How about, Italian guy, in over his head, trying to be a coach, gets a huge team (The Chicago Bulls!) for his first job. I smell sequel!!!

by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 12, 2008 1:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That would be amazing

Kirk Hinrich might finally be motivated to play!

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 12, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You lack confidence in Kirk Hinrich

as a dad?

Daddy Hinrich could be a more stable Hinrich.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see VDN asking Tyrus

If he likes his grits regular or al dente.

Parental Advisory - Explicit Content

by Jivas on Jun 12, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regular

Instant or home made?
Any Self Respecting southerner cooks his own grits (nods at the jury, who all nod back and smile)

Sorry i just remembered that part of the movie….

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Jun 13, 2008 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bullsh*t

He said he would play a major role in the selection.

the only thing he said that i didnt like was when he was naming the coaches that have influenced him he didnt say D’Antoni.

What i like about this hire instead of an experienced coach is that i believe this will give Rose more of an advantage over beasley not only because of his floor leadership but also because he will give del negro a chance and not walk all over him like beasley might.

by D-rose on Jun 12, 2008 1:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen

on both points. I was listening very intently when Vinny was listing the coaches who influenced him, and was disappointed and surprised when I didn’t hear D’Antoni’s name. After thinking about it, I’m sure the D’Antoni offense is probably quite a major influence on him, but he didn’t mention his name because of the reported friction between D’Antoni and Reinsdorf (basically, Reinsdorf started meddling and telling D’Antoni about how he expected defense to be stressed, then dicked around on offering him a deal in a timely fashion, and then told reporters how shocked and slighted he was when D’Antoni took the Knicks job). Just my own personal opinion, but I think it makes sense.

As far as the draft decision, I think this hire goes hand in hand with taking Rose at #1. Not that I think Pax was lying per se when he said that the decision hasn’t been made yet. I just think what he meant was that the decision was 99.9% made, pending what happens when both players work out next week. You never know, Beasley may turn out to be a high-character leader as well as a defensive juggernaut and Rose might punch Reinsdorf in the throat and fill Pax’s gas tank with gummy bears.

by Bulldozer on Jun 12, 2008 3:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

I just wanted to put “per se” in italics, but wound up just making half of my post look retarded. Oh well, me and my pre-deceived notions about how to post comments.

by Bulldozer on Jun 12, 2008 3:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not sure is 99.99 percent

You have to remember, the bulls haven’t done there super duper important psychological tests yet. I wonder what the formula for those tests are. Aren’t those partially the reason that Tyrus went ahead of Aldrige, the tests demonstrated his intangibles and smarts to be way ahead? How’d that work out (purely on that front).

by Sambossanova on Jun 12, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dr. Julius referred to at the press conference is a psychologist .

I assume “Dr. Julius” completed the psychological evaluation and it went well. I assume he administers standardized psychological tests. He has been with the Bulls for a long time.

by chgobr on Jun 12, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dr. J

You know…Julius Erving…..

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Jun 12, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember that stuff...

I know LMA did good on the Blazer version of the psychological tests, and if he did bad on the Bulls version, I dunno what it means.

What I DO find funny is that the Raptors version of the psych test showed that Bargnani was off the charts tough and confident and nothing will ever shake him of his belief in himself and he will be very, very successful because of it. Colangelo raved about it back then, I remember.

Of course, Bargnani’s biggest problems thus far is not believing in himself and playing with little to no confidence and not having the cajones to bang at center.

Bargnani still might be good, as he’s very young and had a good rookie year, but I think whatever test they used might not be accurate. Putting too much faith in that stuff over what you SEE and what you hear when meeting the kid, is silly to me.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 12, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear the Blazers' test is tough

There’s at least 30 questions about handling all the unconditional love from fans and the Oregonian.

by hscs on Jun 12, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Oregonian?!

Maybe recently, sure, but historically (or, Before Kevin Pritchard, which is how Blazer fans tell time), the Blazers franchise has had a very stupid war with the Oregonian, and the other media outlets.

Now, everyone loves KP, the players are great on the court and off, what’s not to love?

I wouldn’t ever describe John Canzano and other Oregonian writers having unconditional love for the Blazers though…

If you’re commenting on the love fest that happens now amongst fans and the Blazers, well, I can’t argue with that. It’s a lot for a player to handle, knowing he could bed my fiance and I would raise their child as my own as long as they are a Blazer. If they can handle that awesome responsibility, then they can be a Trail Blazer.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 12, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"what’s not to love?"

The ridiculous opinions about the Blazers’ roster coming out of Portland.

by hscs on Jun 12, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hee hee

Yes, I know, it sucks to be a Blazer fan, and every snippy comment from you makes me restate this fact.

I mean really, why are you so snippy? I was talking about the value of psych tests.

The national media is just as high on the Blazers roster as Blazer fans. I thought we only disagreed on LMA; do you disagree with the worth of Roy and potentially Oden as well?

I’m just discussing the Del Negro hirin’ over here… with a side note about psych tests for other teams being wrong.

Mortimer…?

by Mortimer on Jun 12, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

life was easier at this site

a year or so ago. I believe it will soon be so again.

by gman2849 on Jun 12, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Asking people on this site why they are snippy?

You should read some comments from the season

Ozzie Montana

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 12, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

read, heard, watched

My team completely collapse after 3 straigh years of progress.

But I will say that a good chunk of those losses could have been avoided with better on court management (small ball 18 point collapses et al)

by gman2849 on Jun 12, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I loved that insult-by-omission of D'Antoni

You’d think that the rough and tumble media of the Big City would have asked him whether D’Antoni was an influence. Only they were too busy being charmed.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Jun 12, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Del Negro never played for D'Antoni

But he still mentioned Nate McMillan and he’s never played for him either.

Those statements from Del Negro appeared as if he was just pulling names out of a hat. If you mention other coaches I think a strong indicator that you actually do draw information from them would there be followed with bullet points specifying how that coach has influenced you.

The fact that Del Negro didn’t really add that much to these coaching names should be a nice story for a writer to pick up and ask Del Negro the specifics of each coach.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the Blogger

It might be just a speech but he did said the right things which means he knows what the problems are. This is a good thing because I always thought Skiles were experienced and had good Xs and Os skills but have no idea whatsoever of what was going on in the players minds. So let’s hope VDN get a good veteran support on the assistant to help him with the things he doesn’t know yet and have a great season!!! Good luck Vinny!!

by JustAnotherFan on Jun 12, 2008 8:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well Said...
It might be just a speech but he did said the right things which means he knows what the problems are.

That is a great way to put it.

by kidronmusic on Jun 13, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I keep hearing that Pax took so long, lost out on two big names, and finally "settled" for VDN.

But, VDN just came in for interviews the week before he was hired, after some preliminary discussions in Orlando. Had Pax interviewed him early then brought him back later for a second interview, I think that gets into supporting the “settled” argument. To me, the fact that VDN interviewed last and was offered the job almost immediately really is more in support of the much mocked idea that Pax did finally find his coaching “soulmate.” And, having hit on the guy that felt like the right hire, figured why wait out the finals to do more interviews.

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 12, 2008 9:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you wjb1492. I think Paxson correctly perceived that this team was demoralized,

had lost its spirit and belief in themselves. VDN seems like a good fit to jump-start them. That being said you could argue, and I do not believe this, that the rush to VDN was a result of the PR disaster after Collins. I think this is a good hire but get back to me in April for the final verdict.

by chgobr on Jun 12, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Del Negro smooth talked Paxson in Orlando

at the pre-draft camp. That’s reportedly where the first interview took place.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you want to call it the first interview instead of preliminary discussions, feel free.

It still doesn’t change the timeline. Boylan was fired in April. Lots of interviews and rumors. Del Negro pops up as a possibility in Orlando, has formal interviews in Chicago within 2 weeks time, and is offered the job less than a week later. To me, that totally supports the idea that Del Negro had whatever Pax was looking for, and once Pax found it he moved on it.

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 12, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So VDN can talk a good game

but let’s see what happens during the first losing streak. if VDN means what he says, Hughes and Gooden will play just enough to maximize their trade value, but not at the expense of developing Sefo and Tyrus.

vanillablue.wordpress.com

by vanillablue on Jun 12, 2008 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gooden really shouldn't be a problem.

If you take Nocinoi virtually out of the PF rotation (< 5 mins. per game, if at all), you can have Gooden be the main back up to Noah and he can get plenty of minutes while Thomas still does, too.

I don’t know if it’s exactly what I’d come up w/, but I like this rotation setup by rb22. You can see my slight revision following it.

by tyger1147 on Jun 12, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's overpaying a guy for five minutes a night.

And Noc will be harder to trade if he is deep benched. At least at the moment he has the appearance of being our 7th man or whatnot. Trade him now while someone may still be fooled. They certainly won’t be fooled if come this time next year Noc hasn’t seen the light of day.

by cranscape on Jun 12, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...and leading the league in flop-fines per 38

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 12, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Pax should trade Hughes & Noc for the corpse of Jermaine O'Neal?

This might help with chemistry. Young guys get plenty of playing time. O’Neal doesn’t play if injured, or plays 25 minutes a game if healthy and has a post-up game…and O’Neal has a shorter contract than Noc.

by KentuckyBullsFan on Jun 12, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my world...

... I couldn’t give a crap about how much a guy is making and how much he plays. You didn’t say anything about Hughes not being in the rotation yet making the most on the team. Hughes, Nocioni and Hinirich are hardly the Bulls three best players. I’d love to be paid more than what I’m worth and what I produce. Nocioni will play the minutes he’s given and like it.

Plus, I’m more interested in developing the young guys and finding out what the Bulls have there instead of getting “equal value” on guys like Hinrich and Nocioni. Eat the costs, if needed, and worry about it two to three years from now when their contracts look better.

by tyger1147 on Jun 12, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a point where you are eating too much though.

Hughes is hard to trade, yet valuable if we keep him around as salary padding for the coming year when Wade and Lebron and the gang go up for grabs. Noc shouldn’t be quite as hard to trade and I’d say having an excessive amount of players of that type on the bench isn’t a good idea. We have too many players, get some out. I don’t like Hughes, but I don’t think anyone else wants him either. Noc might be a bitter pill someone will be willing to swallow right now if packaged with a young gallant and Gooden perhaps.

I am for turning three of our excess guys into one guy in return. Clear out the roster, clear out the discontent benching will cause, and open the door for the younger guys. I don’t think we are so different. I’d just rather ship a few of them out rather than eat so much cost on the bench. Maybe one player like that, but not three or four.

by cranscape on Jun 12, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh

gallant = talent

by cranscape on Jun 12, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yabbut...

...who? Who’s going to give you a player that’s better or has more potential than what the Bulls have now, for Nocioni, Gooden and… Thomas? Noah? It’s not going to happen. You’re not going to get someone that is more productive than those three combined for those three.

If the choice is keeping Thomas or Noah plus Nocioni and his stupid contract or using those two as “sweeteners” to get rid of Noc’s contract… I’ll take the former. Because of their play and their contract lengths, Nocioni and Hinrich are going to be very hard to trade by themselves, unless someone is giving up an equally questionable piece. So you’d have to throw in soemthing extra. I’m not into giving up any potential just to get rid of their contracts. They aren’t THAT bad.

by tyger1147 on Jun 12, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we start the season

with the same roster as the end of last year more or less I do think we are going to have similar problems with people wanting more time and not getting it.

People are going to have to move. Even some we wished could stay but won’t be able to in the process. It is one thing to say bench those people and play the young people, but that is going to cause problems. More problems than a few meaningful words from a fast talking new coach can handle, especially if everyone feels like they have this clean slate thing and can fight their way to the starting line up. I say move them. I don’t really care who we get back as long as we can turn 3 into 1. Easier to keep one on the bench rather than three malcontents.

by cranscape on Jun 12, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. You have a deep insight into their psyche.

Color me unimpressed w/ the idea of moving the young guys w/ potential instead of the old guys w/ the loud mouths just because the younger ones are easier to move. Inactivate them. Tim Thomas them. I don’t care. This is not the time to sacrifice the future for a few veteran whiners.

I’m still looking for one possible move that turns 3 into 1. At least give me one example. Please?

by tyger1147 on Jun 12, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really think

Hinrich, Noc, Gooden, Hughes etc will just be thrilled with giving up playing time/starting positions? Hinrich has never come off the bench regularly even as a rookie and was not happy with it when he had to do it coming from injury this spring. Gordon doesn’t like it. It hurts their trade value as they become just bench players. Did we all just magically forget how unhappy all the players were? It wasn’t just a lack of role defining. We have a lot of so-so players, too many guards, too many forwards. But I guess for you keeping everyone sound like a good idea?

As for examples? Are you just waiting to laugh at me when I put Thomas or Noah or Thabo or any of the young sainted guys with a few of the excess to be shipped out? It might just happen to one of them. I don’t know. After last season I don’t think I’ll cry over it though. We are getting the number one draft pick. I think we can afford to clear out some of the roster, even it it hurts a bit, in order to get rid of the dead weight of previous years. Or we can just keep everyone like you suggest.

by cranscape on Jun 12, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

I am only suggesting getting rid of one of the young guys. Not all of them. I do think we can afford to sacrifice one since we are getting the number one pick. The dead weight needs to go and it might take a young guy to make a trade happen. I say so be it. Last season was a season of dead weight and stagnant progress from our resent draft picks.

by cranscape on Jun 12, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only asked for an example to make the fairy tale realistic.

Thabo doesn’t count. He’s not that good to me. If Thabo gets nocioni off the books, fine.

I’d rather take someone .25 cents on the dollar for Nocioni or Hinrich than include Thomas just to get .75 cens on the dollar for one of them.

I still can’t believe we’re arguing about this: you want to trade a definite starter and a potential All-Star just keep some people from whining.

by tyger1147 on Jun 12, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Potential trades....

Package a combination two or three of the following… Hinrich, Nocioni, Ben Gordon, Larry Hughes.
Use them to go after one of these palyers…

Shawn Marion – Miami doesn’t seem to want him much. And I think he’s incredible. He does everything, and he gets his points without having to dominate the ball. He can defend anybody. He is definitely a two way player. I think he would be fine at the 4 in the east. I would love to see him catching rebounds and Derrick Rose lobs until his fingers bleed… I would gladly give up Kirk and Tyrus for Marion, Nocioni seems like a Pat Riley player, so throw him or Gooden in and take back a Miami contract if it’s neccesary. We would start Rose, Thabo, Deng, Marion, Noah. If we can keep Gooden and start Deng at the 2 then we would have a fantastic line up of Rose, Deng, Marion, Gooden and Noah. That line up would be long, strong, and down to get the friction on.

Elton Brand
– We traded him once because we thought he would never be better than a 20 and 10 player and we really wanted a tall athletic kid from Compton. Well, that was stupid then, and it looks even worse now. I think anybody in Chi would love to have him back, and LA likes to trade players before they get the chance to walk as free agents. They need a point guard badly. Maybe we give up Kirk, Gooden, Ben Gordon, Nocioni and Tyrus Thomas for Brand and Maggette…

Corey Maggette
– Then again, I don’t think Brand would want to come back. So how bout just swinging a deal for Maggette, a Chicago native … he could start at SG for us and provide some much needed offense. Plus, both him and Rose should get to the line a bunch. Which would be great for this team. He has always been considered basketball dumb, but he would be much better if he was pared with a true point guard. We could probably get him for Kirk plus Gordon or Tyrus. Which would leave us with a great starting five of Rose, Maggette, Deng, Gooden and Noah. Damn. That’s a good line up. Maybe this is my favorite trade.

Carmelo Anthony – Rumor has it that Denver is willing to trade him. I would be more excited about that, but I just don’t think it’s true. But it’s worth it to call and offer any three players not named Noah. (It’s not that I think Noah’s our best player, it’s just that we are weakest at center, and they are hard to find, so I think he is the most untouchable player for us right now) Melo can’t play defense for shit, but he sure can score. And if we draft Rose, we’re going to need somebody who can do that.

Jason Richardson – I don’t love his game, and he makes a lot of money, but he would fill a hole for us. He is a tall two guard with a solid outside shot. And he is still pretty young. And even though he makes a bunch of money, we might be able to unload the contracts of both Kirk and Nocioni. Which would certainly help to soften that blow.

Emeka Okafor – We might be able to work out a package to get both JRich and Okafor if we included Drew Gooden. Or we might be able to get him without JRich for Kirk and Nocioni if we took back Matt Carrol and Nazr Mohammed. Either way, he is the kind of player who would be a lot better playing with a solid point guard.

The Number Nine – Charlotte will look to trade the 9th pick, and since that’s where Paxon was sure he would be drafting, that’s the area where he has been looking at players for the last month. I wouldn’t mind trading one of our pieces for this pick.

Jeramaine Oneal – First off, I would only trade for this guy if he passed all his physicals. But I spent some time on the Indiana message boards today, and you would think they were talking about Ben Wallace. They can’t wait to be rid of his contract. So much so that I think I spotted a few that were willing to trade him for Kirk and Larry Hughes… I would be thrilled to make that trade, even if Oneal only played fifty or sixty games next season.

Brendon Haywood & DeShawn Stevenson – If Gilbert Arenas winds up playing elsewhere next year, the Wizards will be in the market for a point guard. I wouldn’t mind parlaying Kirk Hinrich into the 7foor Brendon Haywood and the sweet shooting decent defensive SG Stevenson. Especially because they both are on reasonable contracts.

by kidronmusic on Jun 13, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd only want to pick up (from your list)

Jermaine O’Neal
Elton Brand
maybe Maggette

by swede2287 on Jun 13, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to get into

a spat about this because I really am not attached to any of the players after last year (yes, even the young guys) so the idea of shipping one young guy with a couple older ones out doesn’t seem so bad to me. I am kind of expecting it at this point because what team in the NBA has moved half of their starting line up to the bench in one big swoop like that? Typically if you are a long time starter and are not that old you don’t get benched you get traded. At least I don’t remember seeing other teams suddenly show up in the fall with half of their former starters on the bench. Typically if they are not starting anymore they are not on the team anymore.

by cranscape on Jun 12, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not arguing that you don't trade those guys.

I said sit them and tell them to like it. Obviously, they might not. The conversation then digressed into you including young guys to get rid of the bench guys. I’m not for that.

If they won’t accept the reduced role, then you get rid of them at whatever price it costs—that’s another way of “eating the salaries”. Unless you’re getting back a certifiable upgrade, there’s no reason to include the likes of Thomas or Noah in a roster-clearing move.

Also… who said anything about sitting half the lineup. Who are the guys we’re talking about? Gordon-already not a starter. Hughes-he shouldn’t be (but will be) starting to matter what. Hinrich-if he can’t handle it, he sucks at life-the Bulls have a chance to draft a “true superstar PG”. Nocioni-has he ever really been a starter? he’s already being paid to come off the bench. Gooden-Thorpe, who works daily w/ Thomas said in a chat yesterday, “Gooden’s the starter”. Obviously, he doesn’t have much of a clue, but it sounds like …........

Ugh, this is annoying. You’re talking in generalities and hypotheticals. I’m talking about specifics. Hughes is the only potential problem for this very next year, and he should be the easiest one to trade by mid-season. Same w/ Gooden but even more tradable (although he’s “the starter” and is actually playable). If Hinrich and Nocioni bitch about playing time the very first year of a “new era” after what this organization has given them the past year, they are punks—and I don’t think either is.

I seriously still have no idea what you’re talking about specifically.

by tyger1147 on Jun 12, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really would like to know what del negro thinks about

playing huges. He played with him and I think he is aware of his limitations.

by gman2849 on Jun 12, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he's not aware of his limitations

he has no business being a coach much less towel boy.

let’s hope ALL the players get a clean slate like he said in the presser, and his prior relationship with Hughes is truly a thing of the past.

once he gets a look at his gambling defense playing, jumpshot with no rebounders and 20 on the shot clock taking, not caring about winning championships ass in person, hopefully Vinny benches him like any other mediocre player not getting $17 mil.

was it Jim Paxson or Ferry who gave that bum $17 mil per?

by Orlando Woolridge on Jun 12, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Del Negro wants to run

we will be seeing Nocioni at the 4 more than we really want to.

It wouldn’t shock me if Nocioni is moved on draft night. Who knows though? I think Noc speaks Italian as well so he’ll have an additional advantage.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why, though?

Thomas 32 mpg w/ Gooden getting 16 at the PF doesn’t allow a team to run? You’ll have to explain this one further for me.

by tyger1147 on Jun 12, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's kinda right

When we’re having trouble scoring, or we’re trying to space the floor and cause matchup problems, we’ll probably use the Deng & Nocioni combo forward lineup. That’s going to draw another big away from the basket to give guards more room to penetrate and give us another guy running to the arc on the break. We can play fast with Tyrus or Gooden at the 4 too, but it’s important to be able to be flexible and have different lineups that can cause the defense different problems. I think the 8 minute per game average I had for Noce at the 4 is reasonable. There are games where we’ll use it more, and some games where we might not go to it at all, but having the option to spread things out with another shooter when the offense is struggling is a good option to have.

by rb22 on Jun 12, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The "Noc help defense sucks" argument

is a good one. He has to stick to his man when the player he’s guarding is a perimeter shooter. It’s good to stop dribble penetration, but not when that dribbler is a primary passer that’s weak around the rim. This has to be expressed to Noc through coaching.

If Del Negro has magic with his way of words then perhaps that is expressed while still maintaining the “fire” and “resolve” of El Chapu.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to know more bout Del Negro in Phoenix for this reason

The Suns did play small ball and won with it placing Marion at the PF and Amare at the C. Apparently this didn’t make Amare too happy as he wanted to play PF. So the Suns made moves to make that happen. They were bounced in the first round. D’Antoni wants out fast. Whoops.

I don’t think it is terrible to play Noc at the 4. It’s just terrible to do too often when the matchups do not dictate the advantage. I love having Noc play the perimeter on offense and pull a shot blocker out of the paint. I hate having Noc attempt to guard a player like Chris Bosh.

The bottomline is we’re paying Noc big money now. We either need to make that big money appear like a bargain or find a way to put him to greater use in the rotation. Again, moving him is good too.

In my view Tyrus Thomas is the starting PF. Deng is the starting SF. But I think you can mix Noc into the rotation to spell minutes for Thomas or Deng depending on the flow of the game early.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's a big if

VDN seems to be saying he’ll play the young guys over the high-salary vets like Hughes, Gooden, Kirk, and Noce. But Pax signed or traded for the vets. Unless Pax gets rid of some of them via trade, VDN will have to reduce their minutes. Rookie head coach + unhappy high salaried vets is not a good situation.

Hopefully Pax knows this and has a grand personnel plan, but the events of this offseason make me worry.

vanillablue.wordpress.com

by vanillablue on Jun 12, 2008 12:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just saw the video

Del Negro is like the Obama of basketball!

Speaks very well and is very well liked, but experience is the main key.

After hearing him speak, I’m almost as convinced as Paxson is.

This guy will get guys to like him and play hard for him at the same time.

Obama/Del Negro 08!

by Option27 on Jun 12, 2008 1:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

obviously

I’m not picking up any of this so called “smooth talker” MO for Del Negro. It’s too early to tell, but I thought Obama was pretty spectacular until you started to parse more of his speech, his proposals, and what he’s actually done in the past.

I’d like to know more about Del Negro’s role in Phoenix as a scout, then assistant GM, and now the Bulls Head Coach. In the Mac, Jurko, Harry interview with Steve Kerr he had a lot of praise for Del Negro. He said the Suns would have hired Del Negro if he had more experience as a head coach.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obama/Del Negro '08

Haha, those bumper stickers are gonna sell like hot cakes in the Red States!

by E-Grizzle on Jun 12, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha-ha

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 12, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...or the Appalachian blue states.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 12, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anybody know if Paxson

ever made it onto Jonathan Hood’s show on espn1000 last night? And if yas, did he say anything interesting?

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 12, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This link may not work

Save Target/Link As a file.

If not there, try this link. The podcast from last night is listed on the page.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I’ll check it out later this afternoon. Anything interesting in it?

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 12, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't listened yet

I usually DL the Score and ESPN NBA relative podcasts and listen to them on the commute to and from work. I just started grabbing the WMVP ones.

This reminds me to send in some kudos the radio stations for deploying podcats. Love em.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the link!

Parental Advisory - Explicit Content

by Jivas on Jun 12, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just listened to it.

It sounds like what Paxson was looking for in a head coach was someone to manage the team’s psyche…and that assistant coaches can be brought in to do the basketball stuff.

Are they going the same route in Detroit, where a player’s rep just got the head job?

...and in Boston, where, by all accounts, Thibs is the basketball guy and Doc is the team psychologist?

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 12, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this a bad model?

I like my head coaches to be able to draw up plays and generally strategize against the opponent, but I also want my chief voice to the players about the game an individual with strengths in communication, leadership, and going to bat for my players.

Doc Rivers can’t just be the psychologist of the Celtics. Doc was a solid NBA player. He too was a point guard. I think he’s way overrated as a head coach, but he has mantle merchandise to show at least the NBA writers thought he was great at one point.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks - excellent interview.

I gleamed some emphasis on up-tempo (possible D Rose clue), still considering a trade for a star, Adams and Meyers will have first dibs on the Assistant coach positions, a certain weariness on Pax’s part. It probably was his umpteenth interview of the day. There also was discussion between Pax and VDN regarding defensive schemes. I sensed it was around our inability to get stops at key times at the end of games.

by chgobr on Jun 12, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My favorite thing about what VDN said yesterday

Was that he’d hire the most qualified people that were available, and that he’d empower them to do their jobs. Not only is this an effective management strategy, it is a fantastic way to mitigate VDN’s lack of experience. The selection of assistants is going to be an extremely important part of the team’s continued development.

What an offseason…after what we’ve already been through, we’ve got the Rose/Beasley draft decision, hiring of assistants, summer league (like we’re not all going to be going nuts going after every nugget about DRose’s performance in the summer leagues!), and potential trades, all in the next 10 weeks or so. Yikes!

Parental Advisory - Explicit Content

by Jivas on Jun 12, 2008 3:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’m stoked for summer league as well.

D Rose and Noah will just make me smile

by Option27 on Jun 12, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think Thomas will play?

I hope so, if only because of the sporadic time he got this past year and the “bonding” he and Rose and Noah could do.

by tyger1147 on Jun 12, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you talking

about the Pepsi Summer League that has the games streamlined? If that is the one you mean that is just for 1st and 2nd year players.

by sue369 on Jun 12, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are 3 different leagues, I believe

And the Bulls participate in two of them. At least one of them is open, as DeSagana Diop played last year, and as noted below, Chris Kaman played as well.

So even if the Pepsi league is for only 1st and 2nd year players, there’d be an opportunity in the “other” league.

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by Jivas on Jun 12, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about those other summer leagues

I was just thinking of the Vegas summer league, where veterans have played before (Ron Artest played a game or two a few summers back also).

I didn’t realize other summer leagus had more stringent rules!

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 12, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've actually wondered if Thomas would play in the summer leagues

He was one of the best players in the first league – IIRC, he missed the second league with an injury – so the team may not see much of a gain in his development for him to go back and dominate.

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by Jivas on Jun 12, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be dissapointed to see him not there

there isn’t much to learn in terms of game situations, he’ll do well in an unstructured game like that regardless. And it’s not worth the chance perception-wise that he doesn’t look good. Just work on him individually.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 12, 2008 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Summer league?

Or D-league.

Summer league, anyone can play. Last summer Chris Kaman played to get a jump on his bounceback year. It’s up to the player and the team, and I’d hope Tyrus went to Summer league to build some chemistry with Rose. If they look good together like they should, the Bulls will HAVE to play him.

A quick PG like Rose should dominate Summer League, as the quick PGs always do. Tyrus should be his Amare/Marion there, finishing everything within 5 feet of the hoop. And if they envision a Noah/Tyrus frontline, they should send Noah too so the young trio can learn to laugh and love and play.

If you’re talking about D-League, you’re right. Only first and second year players can play. I think they should extend it a little further than that, but the players union only wanted it for the youngest of the young.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 12, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose it depends on the view of what the D-League is all about

I can see the argument that if a guy hasn’t made it to the NBA after 2 years he should maybe plan on playing over seas. And I don’t imagine some of the older players wanted to risk the embarrassment of being assigned to the D-League affiliate. But I can also see a really good argument for going 3 years to coincide with first round rookie contracts. Some of those bench warmers might appreciate a little more time to draw attention to their game.

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 12, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If a guy has never made the NBA

He can play in the D-League his entire career, or even if he’s only played a few 10-day contracts. So the two years isn’t how long a guy can play there, only the limit on what a guy with a real NBA contract can play down there.

I agree with you though. I think adding the third year would be great for a lot of players, even if it stings their pride a bit. I don’t think vets on their 2nd contract should be able to go down, and I like the idea of making the D-League like a shared farm system.

The argument of overseas versus D-League is an interesting one, and a hard decision for a lot of these players. If you play in Europe, you make a LOT more money than the peanuts of the D-League. But, you’re much less likely to get called up to a NBA team if you’re over in Moscow or Tel Aviv. A lot of players opt to stay home and play in the D-League for that slim chance of getting that call up… no matter how long it takes.

Randy Livingston is about 30 years old, a PG, and he’s been in the D-League since it was created. Every once in a while he gets a 10 day deal, and until he has a multi-year deal with a NBA team, he can do that until he retires. Eddie Gill does this too.

I know the NBA doesn’t want to stretch the team rosters past 15 players, but I wish there was a way to hold the rights to a D-Leaguer like in MLB, and be able to keep them down in the D-League without someone stealing them away. Then again, that could be bad for the player, stuck with a team with no intention of calling him up and no intention of letting another team do so. Hmm…

Okay, I decided that was a bad idea.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 12, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I phrased that badly

I wasn’t even thinking about guys that go straight to the D League and kind of live there forever, just the use of the D League by NBA teams.

But I guess I was thinking along the lines of tough love – if you got drafted, you’ve had at least some chance to prove your merit through training camps and practices, and possibly the occasional garbage time depending on the team. At some point, accept the reality and open up the shot for other kids.

OTOH, it does seem unfair on some level to distinguish between guys who never got signed (ignoring the 10-days, not the same thing as a “contract”) and guys who did. Some kid who got bad advice to come out early, got drafted late in the second round, never played a minute of actual NBA regular season games (sounds suspiciously like JamesOn Curry…) – he might be better off financially to go overseas and make some money, but I’m not sure he should be distinguished from another guy with the same story except for getting drafted…

So essentially, I’ve talked myself into being a total fence sitter on this. ;)

Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!

by wjb1492 on Jun 12, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone can play in the summer leagues

You just have to be rostered up with an NBA club. Charles Oakley even plays summer league ball.

The Las Vegas summer league is drawing all sorts of characters.

by NBA Observer on Jun 12, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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