Vinny's verbal seduction
It was only a press conference, but in the scope of what a coach can say about this team, Vinny Del Negro nailed it.
He said the Bulls would play at a quick pace yet emphasize defense, specifically mentioned Thabo, Noah, and Tyrus as players he was interested in while with the Suns front office, and claimed he'd be a coach who'd try and work with the players to emphasize their strengths. Added that finding a qualified and independently-capable staff was paramount. He even threw in a bunch of hilarious innuendo regarding his interview with Pax (though that was likely unintentional). He seemed confident yet humble, and if his public speaking (and, apparently, interview) skills translate into coaching, he'll be able to reach and teach the players.
Paxson was a little less assuring. He said 'process' at a ridiculous rate (granted, VDN started saying it as well...), again mentioned how he felt the hire would 'resonate', and got a little twitchy when asked about the contract terms as well as the upcoming draft pick. But Pax did make some pretty startling confessions about how bad the situation was last season. That the players were unenthused and didn't play to their capabilities, and that was in part because of them feeling the team wasn't investing in their success. It was good to hear Paxson try and somewhat shift blame from the players, and admit that it wasn't merely a team that quit on their coach, but also a coach that quit on them.
It wasn't as much the tactics (there wasn't much on that front, unless 'play fast' is enough for ya) Del Negro promised as the style he'd employ them. Someone who'd listen and work with the players. That'd certainly seem like a welcome change, and while there's always the possibility that the Bulls just hired a pushover, I don't think this roster is the type that'd roll over someone who's trying to help. They only showed they'd lie down for someone who didn't help.
Del Negro's lack of experience is still a huge question, but I think while the players may initially question that, at least it'll be to someone who'll listen. Or so he claims.
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yup
i was very impressed with what he said and what he had to offer. it seems like that in this very little time, he’s already got a very good idea of how he wants to handle things. he seems to want to be an impact on the players too (talked about learning about them personaly and all that). and plus i love the mention of toni kukoc and the fact that he played with larry hughes in golden state. now theres some trivia. and props to paxon for jumping in about the contract question. so its not a 2 year deal. but overall im really pulling for him and hope that the players wont ruin his career.
All this Hinrich hate, is making me like him more...
by Yibs on Jun 11, 2008 11:19 PM CDT 0 recs
What is the deal? Do we know?
Because Paxson can say “it’s not a two year deal” and it can still be an accurate statement if the contract is a 3 year deal with the 3rd year being a club option.
by NBA Observer on
Jun 12, 2008 1:11 PM CDT
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Three things going for him.
At least with me so far.
1. He can communicate. That was a big problem the last few years. Hopefully connecting with the players and making sure they know their roles will help them feel they can succeed in whatever capacity they’ve been called to fill. He sounded like one of the account managers where I work and if he can bring that aspect into coaching I think it will work with players who were sending off signals last year about the lack of communication.
2. He was a player. Sure, not the best player ever, but he did put in time there and he did, by his own recollection, pay attention to coaching methods and form opinions on them. If he can communicate and taps into the right scheme for the team they might listen to him.
3. Clean slate. He doesn’t have baggage. The new rookie won’t. The young players were called out and will be getting a fresh start. Not sure what that means for Gordon and Deng and some of the players who have been around a while, but it looks like he plans on giving everyone who is still on the team by the time the new season starts a clear role to play. Certain people on the bench one hopes.
Things that worry me are his adjustments during a game. Is he going to pick up real time coaching fast or is it going to be rough? Who will be his assistants? Will the players shoot themselves in the foot and not listen to new guy? Will they walk all over him? What will the chain of command be? No more player voting I hope. Can he turn what he says into reality? Norm gave his seal of approval on CSN tonight so I should just go along with it I guess. :)
by cranscape on Jun 11, 2008 11:24 PM CDT 0 recs
Gotta say I am excited for the Del Negro era to envelope Chicago
But, if any coach said he wanted to play fast I’d foam at the mouth probably.
I have no doubt that he’s going to have a ton of “What the hell did Del Negro just do” moments, but if he can at least be the kind of coach that adapts and learns from his mistakes, I will be happy with him for the upcoming season. Getting the team to buy into his message is of utmost importance. He can’t come across as a Skiles-esque hardass, yet he can’t be a pushover like many rookie coaches. In-game adjustments are so crucial in basketball, if Del Negro commits himself to studying tape and communicating with his staff, I think he’ll be able to pick up on trends taking place during the game, like switching defenders, making a substation, etc.
It’ll be really hard for him to coach any worse than what we were subjected to last year, so let’s see what the guy has in store for the team.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 11, 2008 11:30 PM CDT 0 recs
Is making a substation
one of his predecieved notions? Sorry I couldn’t resist.
"Me like to shoot much" - Andres Nocioni
by BNeL21 on
Jun 12, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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I knew that you (Matt)
were a great believer in our team.
throughout all of your questioning, you see the bigger picture. Pax clearly sees these young players biggest issues as being with their self confidence.
I mean, come on we got a LOT of young talent. we won 49 games for Christ’s sake.
Pax picked up wallace and PJ to deal with Detroit. He knows how to analysis what this team needs.
and right now, this highly skilled young team needs to believe.
by gman2849 on Jun 11, 2008 11:34 PM CDT 0 recs
"outside the box"
it was a hell of a big box if you ask me … I just got the sense that Pax couldn’t help but envision Vinny D as the next Phil Jackson and that’s what pushed him over the edge to hire the guy. He definitely went a little crazier than Krause did back then (the assistant coach hire of Jackson was more bold than the head coach promotion) but maybe that’s what you need in this day in age. Experience? What experience? If Vinny had any coaching experience, he would’ve been inside the box!
Rose '08
by Orange Juice on Jun 11, 2008 11:41 PM CDT 0 recs
In Phil's case
He was not getting NBA offers because he admitted to drug use, and was seen as a hippie member of the counterculture. Most people had seen he would make a fine coach, and his coaching in the topsy-turvy CBA showcased that ability. Krause took a chance on him, but by then enough time had passed for the “hippie” label to not have that great of an effect.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 11, 2008 11:47 PM CDT
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Didn't Tex Winter also recommend Phil?
Krause always seemed to heed the advice of wise Tex.
by NBA Observer on
Jun 12, 2008 1:26 PM CDT
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My memory is hazy
All I remember from accounts is that Phil was ready to go into an other career, and Krause gave him a call to become an assistant.
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by Ozzie Montana on
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To echo most everyone else,
VDN did as well as he possibly could today, imo. There’s still that hint of skepticism that comes with the no coaching experience issue, but overall after today I’m excited to see what happens with the team going forward. And I’ve now got a fair amount of hope that this could work out really well. I guess that means I’m lining up for the kool-aid.
It would have been so easy for him to blow the press conference – too much talk about accountability, any talk at all about needing a veteran presence, etc. I really admired, too, that he avoided any in-depth or negative discussion of any of the players, especially given he hasn’t even met with them yet. Skiles did make me laugh, but he was also pretty brutal on some of the players.
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
by wjb1492 on Jun 12, 2008 12:08 AM CDT 0 recs
the key is derrick rose
it was mentioned in today’s press conference, the bulls need a leader. that lack of leadership played a huge role in this hire, pax belives VDN can lead this group of guys, but more importantly, they must have an on-court leader. in comes d rose, and all is good. i am fine with the bulls struggling next year, as long as our young guys, plus, hopefully, d rose are showing improvement, as well as showing a sign that this group is going to grow together, and improve together.
I am excited about the hire, hopefully, some top notch asst coaches will follow
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE
by CONOR6 on Jun 12, 2008 12:28 AM CDT 0 recs
fyi
the draft is two weeks away. i am so stoked
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE
by CONOR6 on
Jun 12, 2008 12:29 AM CDT
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YES!!!!
It feels like its two weeks away from Christmas and you got a present under the tree(d rose) u shake it tryin to figurfe out what it is.. hoping and building angst as the big day draws near….Paxson can be the Grinch if he picks Beasely(even though it wouldnt be the worst thing in the world just a gift i wouldnt want) or trades the pick for Baron Davis(what was KC thinkin)...as far as Del Negro is concerned i think he will be good as long as he gets the right people around him
CHICAGO MANE!!!!
by YEP on
Jun 12, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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I will sleep like a baby
I am comfortable and excited about the VDN hire and I look forward to this season. After such a rollercoaster offseason, maybe now we will be able to exhale with optimism.
by messwiththebull on Jun 12, 2008 12:34 AM CDT 0 recs
I'm curious to know
what he could have said to make evryone here NOT like him. To me he wasn’t that impressive at all. I also wonder what the reaction would be if the Bulls didn’t have the first pick. I think most people are just excited to finally move on to the draft and finding out who’s taking Hinrich’s spot on the roster.
I’m not trying to just be contrarian here, but to me it was a very nervous conference, all the way around. I just felt like there were bullet points that Pax and VDH went over prior and bludgeoned the press to death with them. Also, and maybe i’m nitpicking, but he just looked a little scared. I can just see that “Dammit! They’re not doing what I asked them to do!” face starting to form. He was ranting a little bit, like he was trying to prove everyone wrong right away, and just didn’t give me the overall feeling of reassurance I needed from a guy coaching my team for his first job.
On the other hand, he did seem like a really good guy and I am definately rooting for him to do well. The fact that he wants to play up-tempo is intriguing, but then he said he wanted to play defense like the spurs as well, so he could just be saying what he thinks people want to hear (everyone on this site especially). Overall there’s just a HUGE wait-and-see factor with this guy.
On one hand I could see him being the next brilliant young basketball guru, on the other, I could see him getting railroaded out-of-town by a team that won’t listen to a guy that’s never used a whistle before. I just think that with so much uncertainty around this team right now, they needed a sure thing. Instead this guy is gonna be the biggest question mark of all.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 12, 2008 12:46 AM CDT 0 recs
What sure thing?
Once D’Antoni picked New York, who did you see as the sure thing? I had major questions about all of the available candidates, personally.
And I guess I just don’t have the same take – I thought they knew they were going to get questions about the out-of-left-field nature of the hire and handled them pretty directly. Even trying to look back and see what you saw, I’m not picking up that VDN was nervous or scared. I already mentioned what would have made me not happy above, so I won’t go through it again.
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
by wjb1492 on
Jun 12, 2008 1:16 AM CDT
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There's a huge difference between
having questions about a candidate and one that is just a question mark period. The guy has never coached before and he’s getting the Chicago Bulls as his first job! That doesn’t bug you at all? You think the Knicks or Lakers would ever even think of doing that? Hell no! Not to mention that the Bulls have a real treasure with the first pick in the draft, in a year when there is some real talent available at the top. So you’re saying you have no problem with the fact that the first teacher that this player (hopefully Rose) will have is someone that is trying to figure out what the hell is going on himself. I can’t believe people really like this move, there’s nothing to like! Either you’re OK with it or you hate it, those are the only real options, cause this Del Negro has done nothing as a coach to make you feel otherwise. And the fact that this hire was made because the cheap ass, meddling owner wouldn’t drop some coin for a proven coach is all the more reason to hate it. And every Bulls fan should be pissed about the fact that they’re franchise is being run by someone who cares far more about dollars and cents than wins and losses!
by Juiceboxjerry on
Jun 12, 2008 1:59 AM CDT
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If the options are so mediocre
I don’t think getting a question mark is a bad idea at all—he at least has a chance to be a good coach, where a Collins only has a chance to be mediocre and have the team coast along until the successor is deemed ready.
Mike Dunleavy Sr was a first time coach for the Lakers in 1990, took ‘em to the Finals. Pat Riley hadn’t coached before either. Jeff Van Gundy got his first head coaching job with the Knicks. Every franchise, big or small, has hired first time coaches.
Do you want known mediocrity, or the chance to hire the RIGHT coach?
Obviously no one can say whether Del Negro is the right coach yet, but you KNEW the others definitely weren’t. He’s got that going for him.
This is an important time for the Bulls’ franchise, and a fresh new voice is needed on the court and off. You get a young coach not set in his ways, and can grow with the team. I like the IDEA of the hire, even though obviously I know nuthin’ about what Del Negro actually believes in coaching wise.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Jun 12, 2008 5:08 AM CDT
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Think about what you just asked
“You think the Knicks or Lakers would ever even think of doing that?”
Who was the favorite for the Knicks job before they snatched D’Antoni? That’s right, Mark Jackson, the guy with previous coaching experience whatsoever. The Lakers had already done this when they hired Pat Riley out of the broadcast booth. So to answer your question: YES.
by messwiththebull on
Jun 12, 2008 7:29 AM CDT
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Wrong
Riley had been an assistant for several years. He was hired out of the broadcast booth – in 1979, as an assistant. I’m getting tired of seeing people repeat that, since it just isn’t true.
by Big D on
Jun 12, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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Right
I incorrectly recalled that Riley moved to coach shortly after Westhead replaced McKinney in the midst of the 1979-1980 season, but it wasn’t until the 1981-82 season that Riley became coach after West declined so my bad, I apologize for insulting you and adding to your basketball fatigue.
by messwiththebull on
Jun 12, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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It seems pretty clear from your comments that VDN could not have said anything
to satisfy you. You’re welcome to that opinion. No, it doesn’t bother me that the Bulls decided a personable guy with innovative ideas might be worth the risk over a know commodity with some flaws. I think it’s kind of humorous that you say there are two options – OK or hate it – but seem completely flabbergasted that any of us actually went with the OK-with-it option.
I also find it a little humorous that Pax gets so much criticism for playing it safe, yet gets a bunch of criticism when he doesn’t play it safe. It’s not like the Bulls advertised for the cheapest coach available and then limited their interview questions to how little the guy was willing to work for.
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
by wjb1492 on
Jun 12, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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what could've gone wrong
if the press conference was ‘play the right way’ doctrine with some ‘chicago toughness’ peppered in.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jun 12, 2008 6:18 AM CDT
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Said "Accountability" a lot.
Said, “I want to keep the game slow so these kids can execute.”
Said, “These players have attitudes that we’ll have to correct.”
Said, “Some of these guys need to quit working for themselves and buy into the team game…”
Said, “It might be prudent to trade the No. 1 pick to acquire harder-working guys.”
Said, “Tyrus Thomas sucks and he’ll never play for me.”
Said, “Larry Hughes is the awesomest ever, and will be a starter as long as I’m here.”
Shall I go on?
by tyger1147 on
Jun 12, 2008 8:13 AM CDT
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When you meet the one who says all the right things,
in just the right way, it’s love.
That clearly is what went on here (and the innuendo that Matt alludes to), with the two combo guards talking for what felt like a few minutes, then looking at their watches and finding that three hours had gone by.
The same thing translates to the relatively savvy media/fan audience. It’s not just that he said the right things; Isiah Thomas could have come in here and said those. (“I’d opt for great defense and a fast-paced offense.”) But Isiah would have said all of those things in exactly the wrong way, a way which would be colored by his long history of disasters. Ditto for Bob Hill or [name redacted, rhyms with Sheboygan].
Jeff Van Gundy or Rick Carlisle (or Doug Collins) could have said that, too, and we probably wouldn’t have believed the part about fast-paced offense.
And quite frankly, D’Antoni could have said the right things about developing young talent, and we may not have beleived that, either.
It’s not just that he said the right things, it’s that he said them in a way that was genuine and believable, and his own professional history didn’t raise an alarm that said “I’m lying through my teeth.”
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on
Jun 12, 2008 11:18 AM CDT
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anybody notice
that VDN claimed he will have a say on whom to draft when Pax said during the search, well idk what the exact quote was, but simply: “no, the coach will not impact our decision”..?
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious."
by bulls*hit on Jun 12, 2008 1:02 AM CDT 0 recs
Maybe part
of VDN’s hire was that he has a say in who the pick is.
by sue369 on
Jun 12, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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I believe so too
With vdn’s background he can help pax make a very good decision, he also seems to like the players paxson likes, or rather sees the same strengths. Paxson, i figure, hired him because he must have felt that vdn saw what he saw in his players and had an idea of how to get those players playing to their strengths or paxsons vision. He seems like a player development coach in that regard, and thus is probably gonna help pax pick the best guy for this team. I think i remember that vdn is gonna have meetings with each of the players, i can see them trying to figure out what will be needed on the team, or what would fit in the best and bring that kind of player in, and also find which players don’t fit in and try to deal with them (trade or just change what’s wrong with them)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on
Jun 12, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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If you get a chance
tonight watch Sports Nite at 10 pm. They just showed a little preview of the interview with Pax. In the preview he is saying something like he told Thabo and Kirk this is their chance to show VDN their best. I’ll have to watch it tonight to see what the whole statement was.
by sue369 on
Jun 12, 2008 6:52 PM CDT
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Hey, Sue,
if you don’t mind could you throw up a quick summary? I imagine they’ll get it posted pretty soon, but I’m the impatient sort!
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
by wjb1492 on
Jun 12, 2008 7:37 PM CDT
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Pax was asked
about his coaching decision and he said if he had to do it over he wouldn’t do anything different. He also said he was never told he could only spend so much money on a coach. Money was never an issue. He told Kirk and Thabo they needed to get their stuff together because they need to prove themselves to VDN. So hopefully that’s what they do.
by sue369 on
Jun 12, 2008 10:31 PM CDT
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I'm glad he is holding players accountable
Maybe now instead of spending all his time deflecting rumors as misinformation, he can get down to business of deciding what to do with Kirk, Gordon, and Deng. Unlike the coach, he can’t spend months dawdling over his roster.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 12, 2008 11:08 PM CDT
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Thanks! :)
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
by wjb1492 on
Jun 13, 2008 12:11 AM CDT
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Thanx Sue
Yet i feel no confidence, So now kirk has to go through an interview process (sort of) too….hopefully he is able to show the side of him that you and i, and wjb, and all the other hinrich fans believe he can do. Im still fairly certain that the bulls will go at least half a season with kirk still as captain and starter for the bulls. I hope he anticipates rose getting drafted and decides to work on his 3 point shot and his attacking the basket….i always like gordon and hinrich as backcourt mates but it looks like its now over…they are gonna end up competing for that roster spot…and i dont see it ending to well (i actually can see them both going as opposed to just the one…)
More reason to draft beasley says me…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on
Jun 13, 2008 12:18 AM CDT
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I don't know that it's
so much an interview process. Pax said he had talked to Kirk and Thabo. It might be that he hasn’t talked to the ohter players yet. There is a lot that can happen. Hang in there.
by sue369 on
Jun 13, 2008 1:23 PM CDT
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If VDN has any say in the decision,
that helps our chance of picking Rose.
by swede2287 on
Jun 12, 2008 11:30 AM CDT
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You might be surprised
VDN likes versatility. Beasley could reasonably play SF or SG besides PF… Pax’s declarations that Beasley is a PF not withstanding
by hlac on
Jun 12, 2008 1:47 PM CDT
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SG?
And I suppose you think Deng can play SG too? There’s no need to stretch the truth.
formerly sbulls
by Scotter on
Jun 12, 2008 4:42 PM CDT
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Beasley as a 2?
Um….why not have him play point?
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 12, 2008 4:49 PM CDT
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Give us time
We’ll turn Beasley into a combo guard in no time.
by NBA Observer on
Jun 12, 2008 5:12 PM CDT
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I was just thinking of a really funny
bit of information. You know how ever since the Bulls hired VDN, the “My Cousin Vinny” jokes have been flying around uncontrollably. Well, just think about the premise of that movie. Italian guy, in over his head, trying to be a lawyer, gets a huge case for his first job. Interesting. Sound familiar? How about, Italian guy, in over his head, trying to be a coach, gets a huge team (The Chicago Bulls!) for his first job. I smell sequel!!!
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 12, 2008 1:09 AM CDT 0 recs
Sweet, Marissa Tomei on the bench?
Does Erin Andrews want to coach?
by NBA Observer on
Jun 12, 2008 1:30 PM CDT
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That would be amazing
Kirk Hinrich might finally be motivated to play!
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 12, 2008 4:35 PM CDT
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You lack confidence in Kirk Hinrich
as a dad?
Daddy Hinrich could be a more stable Hinrich.
by NBA Observer on
Jun 12, 2008 4:47 PM CDT
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I can see VDN asking Tyrus
If he likes his grits regular or al dente.
Parental Advisory - Explicit Content
by Jivas on
Jun 12, 2008 9:35 PM CDT
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Regular
Instant or home made?
Any Self Respecting southerner cooks his own grits (nods at the jury, who all nod back and smile)
Sorry i just remembered that part of the movie….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on
Jun 13, 2008 12:14 AM CDT
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bullsh*t
He said he would play a major role in the selection.
the only thing he said that i didnt like was when he was naming the coaches that have influenced him he didnt say D’Antoni.
What i like about this hire instead of an experienced coach is that i believe this will give Rose more of an advantage over beasley not only because of his floor leadership but also because he will give del negro a chance and not walk all over him like beasley might.
by D-rose on Jun 12, 2008 1:39 AM CDT 0 recs
Amen
on both points. I was listening very intently when Vinny was listing the coaches who influenced him, and was disappointed and surprised when I didn’t hear D’Antoni’s name. After thinking about it, I’m sure the D’Antoni offense is probably quite a major influence on him, but he didn’t mention his name because of the reported friction between D’Antoni and Reinsdorf (basically, Reinsdorf started meddling and telling D’Antoni about how he expected defense to be stressed, then dicked around on offering him a deal in a timely fashion, and then told reporters how shocked and slighted he was when D’Antoni took the Knicks job). Just my own personal opinion, but I think it makes sense.
As far as the draft decision, I think this hire goes hand in hand with taking Rose at #1. Not that I think Pax was lying per se when he said that the decision hasn’t been made yet. I just think what he meant was that the decision was 99.9% made, pending what happens when both players work out next week. You never know, Beasley may turn out to be a high-character leader as well as a defensive juggernaut and Rose might punch Reinsdorf in the throat and fill Pax’s gas tank with gummy bears.
by Bulldozer on
Jun 12, 2008 3:49 AM CDT
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Hmmm...
I just wanted to put “per se” in italics, but wound up just making half of my post look retarded. Oh well, me and my pre-deceived notions about how to post comments.
by Bulldozer on
Jun 12, 2008 3:53 AM CDT
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Im not sure is 99.99 percent
You have to remember, the bulls haven’t done there super duper important psychological tests yet. I wonder what the formula for those tests are. Aren’t those partially the reason that Tyrus went ahead of Aldrige, the tests demonstrated his intangibles and smarts to be way ahead? How’d that work out (purely on that front).
by Sambossanova on
Jun 12, 2008 9:54 AM CDT
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Dr. Julius referred to at the press conference is a psychologist .
I assume “Dr. Julius” completed the psychological evaluation and it went well. I assume he administers standardized psychological tests. He has been with the Bulls for a long time.
by chgobr on
Jun 12, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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Dr. J
You know…Julius Erving…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
by piccolomair on
Jun 12, 2008 1:33 PM CDT
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I remember that stuff...
I know LMA did good on the Blazer version of the psychological tests, and if he did bad on the Bulls version, I dunno what it means.
What I DO find funny is that the Raptors version of the psych test showed that Bargnani was off the charts tough and confident and nothing will ever shake him of his belief in himself and he will be very, very successful because of it. Colangelo raved about it back then, I remember.
Of course, Bargnani’s biggest problems thus far is not believing in himself and playing with little to no confidence and not having the cajones to bang at center.
Bargnani still might be good, as he’s very young and had a good rookie year, but I think whatever test they used might not be accurate. Putting too much faith in that stuff over what you SEE and what you hear when meeting the kid, is silly to me.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Jun 12, 2008 1:12 PM CDT
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I hear the Blazers' test is tough
There’s at least 30 questions about handling all the unconditional love from fans and the Oregonian.
by hscs on
Jun 12, 2008 1:17 PM CDT
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The Oregonian?!
Maybe recently, sure, but historically (or, Before Kevin Pritchard, which is how Blazer fans tell time), the Blazers franchise has had a very stupid war with the Oregonian, and the other media outlets.
Now, everyone loves KP, the players are great on the court and off, what’s not to love?
I wouldn’t ever describe John Canzano and other Oregonian writers having unconditional love for the Blazers though…
If you’re commenting on the love fest that happens now amongst fans and the Blazers, well, I can’t argue with that. It’s a lot for a player to handle, knowing he could bed my fiance and I would raise their child as my own as long as they are a Blazer. If they can handle that awesome responsibility, then they can be a Trail Blazer.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Jun 12, 2008 1:30 PM CDT
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"what’s not to love?"
The ridiculous opinions about the Blazers’ roster coming out of Portland.
by hscs on
Jun 12, 2008 1:44 PM CDT
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Hee hee
Yes, I know, it sucks to be a Blazer fan, and every snippy comment from you makes me restate this fact.
I mean really, why are you so snippy? I was talking about the value of psych tests.
The national media is just as high on the Blazers roster as Blazer fans. I thought we only disagreed on LMA; do you disagree with the worth of Roy and potentially Oden as well?
I’m just discussing the Del Negro hirin’ over here… with a side note about psych tests for other teams being wrong.
Mortimer…?
by Mortimer on
Jun 12, 2008 1:52 PM CDT
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life was easier at this site
a year or so ago. I believe it will soon be so again.
by gman2849 on
Jun 12, 2008 3:10 PM CDT
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Asking people on this site why they are snippy?
You should read some comments from the season
Ozzie Montana
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 12, 2008 4:36 PM CDT
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read, heard, watched
My team completely collapse after 3 straigh years of progress.
But I will say that a good chunk of those losses could have been avoided with better on court management (small ball 18 point collapses et al)
by gman2849 on
Jun 12, 2008 4:38 PM CDT
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Yeah, I loved that insult-by-omission of D'Antoni
You’d think that the rough and tumble media of the Big City would have asked him whether D’Antoni was an influence. Only they were too busy being charmed.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on
Jun 12, 2008 11:37 AM CDT
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Del Negro never played for D'Antoni
But he still mentioned Nate McMillan and he’s never played for him either.
Those statements from Del Negro appeared as if he was just pulling names out of a hat. If you mention other coaches I think a strong indicator that you actually do draw information from them would there be followed with bullet points specifying how that coach has influenced you.
The fact that Del Negro didn’t really add that much to these coaching names should be a nice story for a writer to pick up and ask Del Negro the specifics of each coach.
by NBA Observer on
Jun 12, 2008 1:34 PM CDT
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I agree with the Blogger
It might be just a speech but he did said the right things which means he knows what the problems are. This is a good thing because I always thought Skiles were experienced and had good Xs and Os skills but have no idea whatsoever of what was going on in the players minds. So let’s hope VDN get a good veteran support on the assistant to help him with the things he doesn’t know yet and have a great season!!! Good luck Vinny!!
by JustAnotherFan on Jun 12, 2008 8:22 AM CDT 0 recs
Well Said...
It might be just a speech but he did said the right things which means he knows what the problems are.
That is a great way to put it.
by kidronmusic on
Jun 13, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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