POLL: Do you have more basketball coaching experience than Vinny?
by Orange Juice on Jun 10, 2008 12:21 AM CDT
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A friend of mine changed his job in mid-March and moved, so I took over his Under 15 basketball team for the next 2.5 months. This was my first time coaching basketball. I "coached" the kids for two hours each Sunday leading up to a tournament in May.
I have to say, having to actually coach during a game and think about rotations, fouls, timeouts, plays, etc. made me realize it's not that easy being a basketball coach. Of course it wasn't a big deal in my case, but it's definitely easier to sit in the stands and scrutinize someone else coaching.
How quickly will Vinny pick up in-game coaching? That's the one thing that has a direct correlation with experience. I don't worry as much about his philosophy or his ability to teach / connect with the players because coaching experience is not a requirement to be able to do that (trying to stay optimistic here!)
We've seen the bad (Jim Boylan). We've seen the good (Phil Jackson). Here's to hoping Vinny doesn't start too low on the scale and will continue improve with experience.
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1st post!!!
JK I dont think he will develop our young stars. He has more experience though.
That's one scary, but probably accurate prediction
A first-time coach would be out of his mind to risk giving his young guys big minutes right away.
Not if that's what sold Pax on hiring him in the first place.
And, as we saw repeatedly last year, the team did better when the kids played anyway.
Here's to what was suppose to be the most exciting offseason in years, but has instead spiraled downward into pitiful morass of indecision. Cheers!
exactly, no way del negro is coaching to not get fired. he and pax must be clear on what they like/dislike about the roster.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 10, 2008 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously
I just hope they draft Rose and run a fast paced offense and allow Tyrus to prove how good he is ans how picking him over Lamarcus was the right decision.
Rose / Obama 08
Agree
This has got to happen its the only way we can truly see what what have. Tyrus could be dangerous in a fast break offense. Who knows Larry Hughes just might be effective. I really feel our past coaches havent pushed the pace enough for as many guys who can attack the rim on our team.
I'm just sort of amazed
that it’s possible to talk your way into landing a $2 million dollar a year job.
Well played, good sir. Plus 1,000.
If I were Pax – and this may prove without a shadow of a doubt that I’m not – I would insist that Del Negro “coach” around 500 games on a computer program to simulate many of these in-game decisions, so that he can get a better feel for them.
It may sound stupid, but it’s actually an old thought in sabermetric circles, that many baseball managers could gain from playing Strat-o-Matic games in the offseason (or before their first coaching job) to gain a better understanding of the results of their tactical decisions.
I’m sure that VDN has played out circumstances in his head a million times, or has first-guessed coaches in many games which he’s watched, but I do believe that there is something to be gained from this type of exercise.
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Oh how I would love if Pax said that
Pax: “Jerry and I feel we’ve brought in the best guy for the job. Vinny is a friend of mine whose talents were recommended to me by another GM I greatly admire, Steve Kerr, and we all felt Vinny’s coaching philosophy gave our team the best chance to win a championship. As for those who question our liking his coaching philosophy, citing that he’s never been a coach… as part of the interview process, Jerry and I insisted he “coach” 500 games on a computer program to simulate in-game decisions. And might I say, he met all of our expectations and then some. Ladies and Gentleman, your next coach of the Chicago Bulls, Vinny Del Negro!”
(Del Negro enters, pumping both fists in celebration)
Schanwald: “To sign up for Bulls season tickets, call 312-455-4000!”
I realize that your post was in jest
But I just wanted to clarify that I wouldn’t insist that VDN perform these simulations as a condition of being hired, but rather that he complete them prior to the start of the season as a coaching aid.
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I'm a big sabermetrics guy too
And I was mocking Pax’s management style more than anything else. But honestly, there’s so much more to coaching than making the right moves. Jim Boylan was 1000x more qualified for the Bulls job than Del Negro, but he didn’t have the skills to control a locker room and earn his players’ respect.
To me, the two biggest things are “will Bulls players listen to him” and “will he play the young guys”, two things that have nothing to do with in-game situations. If the nooks and crannies of when to call a timeout, and what lineups to play in crunch time take Del Negro a year or two to figure out, I’m fine with that as long as he’s commanding his players’ respect and giving minutes to Tyrus, Thabo, Noah and Rose.
i don't have more basketball coaching experience
but i do have more coaching experience. i co-coached a couple of my sister’s softball games when i was about 13. :)
i had personally nominated my cousin who coached a winning AAU team.
at least
he’ll have summer league to get his feet wet
there…that’s my one attempt to try and sound positive
I disagree w/ a main point of the post.
I don’t think Del Negro will have too much trouble adjusting to in-game situations. He will have to learn, but he was a player once, so he should have an idea. I think the hard part will be the teaching and the managing of egos. What’s he going to do when he ‘connects’ w/ Drew Gooden, but Drew’s too ignorant/dumb to do what he wants more than (say…) 50% of the time? Does he sit him? Does he berate him? Does he ignore it?
In my opinion, teaching is the hardest part of coaching, and for this team, also the single-most important aspect of the next coach’s tenure. We just have to hope he can do it.
Do you believe some of the Bulls players
will attempt to play mental head games with the newbie and challenge him?
I do..
Maybe they can also use him as a scape goat when they lose games… (it’s not like it hasn’t been done before!).
Look for lots of fines and displinary actions this very unproductive season
as crappy as...
the bulls played this past year, you have to believe that the players still want to win. and they won’t achieve that if they’re busy trying to play mind games with their new coach. here’s to hoping VDN is as good a people person as advertised…
I'm talking "larry hughes"
“larry hughes”
say his name 27 more times… did you now get a revelation that he really wants to win?
As for the rest of the team of young guys, and its not easy winning in the NBA. When losing compounds, frustration sets in and human nature so often in many looks for make excuses.
even
“larry hughes” (said 27 times) would prefer to win rather than lose. because winning would mean that he gets to play in more games (playoffs) and thus grace the fans with more “larry hughes”-ness.
of course, this doesn’t take into consideration that the bulls winning will likely require less “larry hughes” minutes.
i just hope VDN being a people person means he can get the players to play to their potential and get them to buy in to WHATEVER system he runs. buy in will mean players will hold each other accountable, rather than whatever it was that we just say with boylan. boylan’s run here was just plain bad. so bad.
I don't think they have any right to do so
Since they all sucked pretty hard last season. Any problems they have are with management’s ineptitude, they should just be glad this coaching crap is over with.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 10, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I've coached basketball teams
for 4 seasons. And I find it hilariously funny and at the same time strange and sad that I have more coaching experience than the new Bulls coach. (I also have 21 years of playing organized basketball, in 3 countries for coaches from different places. I’m currently not in a position to coach but will definately get back to it at a later date. )
It’s basically a testiment to the cheapness of Reinsdorf.
Most of us probably wonder why not wait another 1 or two weeks (end of finals)? I know I do. The only reason I can come up with is that any of the Lakers or Celtics assistants will have higher salay demands than VDN. It really makes no basketball sense.
And we should really stop complaining about the work Pax is doing… He is just JR’s puppet.
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