The signals suggesting that Mike D'Antoni and the Phoenix Suns will soon part company are only getting stronger.
The loudest hint yet that a divorce is forthcoming came Sunday night when KTAR Radio (620 AM) in Phoenix reported that D'Antoni has suddenly been granted permission to speak with other teams, including Chicago and New York, about their coaching openings.
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If D'Antoni's upset about the "rules" proposed by Kerr and Sarver...
...w/ one of them presumably being more practice time devoted to defense, how is he going to deal w/ an organizational mentality built around defense and nit-picking rules and constraints? If he came, though, I think it would force the organization to loosen up a little. Of course, they’ll both (team and D’Antoni) will be willingly choosing the other side, so hopefully they recognize this (surely), and it will be a happy complement of philosophies and not an ugly contrast of styles that ends poorly.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 8:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
headbands aside
it looked more and more like the organization was ‘hands-off’ to a fault.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 5, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my impression, too.
I kept waiting for Paxson to assert himself in any way, but particularly about Boylan’s lineups and rotations. It’s impossible for me to believe Paxson didn’t want to see more Tyrus pt than Boylan gave us.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 5, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If D'Antoni cannot get along with Kerr what is different to allow him get along with Paxson?
by chgobr on May 5, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if Boylan's reign of incompetence is any indication of the future
Paxson’s not likely to interfere in the way D’Antoni runs practices or offensive sets.
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by snley on May 5, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like Paxson has some of the magic left
Carlisle dropped out of contention even before he stood poised to land the Mavericks’ job.
by hscs on May 5, 2008 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really hope he becomes our new coach.
His up tempo run and gun style would be a great fit with the Bulls young roster.
by MAN in the BOX on May 5, 2008 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What is more likely and easy :
1) Get a D’Antoni and find a great team of assistants for the defensive part (although D’Antoni may very well be adept at adapting to a more defensive minded roster like they have in Chicago, he may just have played to the strength of his players in Phoenix)
2) Get another “general” (even a little one), and find some great experienced offense-minded assistants with awesome player management skills.
The Game chose him !
by Diabolo on May 5, 2008 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have two worries.
First, did Paxson have the foresight to clear space on his calendar for D’Antoni in the event he became available, or is D’Antoni stuck behind Thibodeau , waiting for the next five-day break in the Celtics schedule?
Second, even if Paxson makes a date with D’Antoni, will Paxson go into it thinking that the Bulls job is so sweet that he expects D’Antoni to sell himself to the Bulls rather than the other way around?
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 5, 2008 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe he'll stare at him like Skiles did to Aldridge
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 5, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On your first point.
Seriously ? What other things does Paxson have on his agenda right now that is more important than finding the best coach for his team ? What could possibly prevent him from meeting D’Antoni today or tomorrow (except D’Antoni’s own agenda) ?
The Game chose him !
by Diabolo on May 5, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kidding on both points...
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 5, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fresh start
This would be such a refreshing feeling if D’Antoni coached the bulls. I think it would clean last year’s toxic fumes from the air. The hard defense approach always made me feel that they were trying to hide our lack of offensive coaching (maybe offensive talent, but lets hope not).
by serbstream on May 5, 2008 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Correct
The hard defense approach always made me feel that they were trying to hide our lack of offensive coaching (maybe offensive talent, but lets hope not).
We should give our opponents more credit. They did scheme against our offense which really wasn’t much to speak about anyway. Our defense is what kept us in games, and competitive in the division. The defense did drop off, but to be down 15 points in the first half in home games is a sign that the problems were much more than defensive lapses.
A strong offense would be a great asset for the Bulls entering next season. We certainly need something that will force opponents to do more than make Ben Gordon make things happen with the ball in his hands.
by NBA Observer on May 5, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not know how D'Antoni solves our defensive deterioration?
by chgobr on May 5, 2008 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Happy players that for most of them are naturally very adept on defense...
...and that will bring defensive effort (solving the deterioration problem of this year).
In other words, if they like the coach a lot and respect him, they will care.
The Game chose him !
by Diabolo on May 5, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While D'Antoni probably wouldn't get this team back to the top of the defensive rankings
he should be able to get them near the top in Def Eff while still stressing offense in practices. The Bulls finished 14th in Defensive Efficiency this year and more consistent effort should come simply from having a coach the players like. The Suns consistently finished in the middle of the pack in defense while playing much worse defensive players than the Bulls currently have. D’Antoni may not stress D in practice, but he was doing something right on that end the last few years. The more difficult job for whoever the new coach is will be improving that 26th ranked offense.
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by snley on May 5, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does D'Antoni have any meaningful
experience developing young players?
Also, how has he handled his bench historically?
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by 1958ChiTown on May 5, 2008 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Diaw, Barbosa, and Amare were all young players that were developing
I think those guys have turned out OK. These players just never had development on defense. Our roster already has that development. It was impossible to not to develop it. If you didn’t, Skiles and Boylan wouldn’t play you.
So you might say were already developed defensively, we just need something on offense that will help develop our guys.
by NBA Observer on May 5, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diaw and Barbossa
both took steps back. I wouldn’t say D’Antoni is a great developer of talent.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 5, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this was answered in the last thread
about d’antoni…something around the jist of he developed Amare, Barbosa, and gave nash the push towards his mvps. In terms of bench, it was said that pheonix only usually uses about 8 guys in a game. I think he can develop tyrus and teach him how to “run” and “jump higher” and maybe give tyrus the much needed boost to get going. Same with our guards, i think he can give them direction on when to pass when to shoot, and the best ways to attack the rim. I think its guys like aaron gray and gooden who might really suffer, and i fear what hughes might be thinking playing for the d’antoni style of play. I mean, i hope he doesnt think he can run and gun as a one man army…i dont know if i can watch that.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 5, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gooden should be able to keep up with such a pace.
In fact, Gooden should get plenty of PT if D’Antoni would be willing to go with a three man rotation up front. Gray should be hoping that Paxson trades or releases him if D’Antoni is brought on.
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Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 5, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go go D'Antoni go!
Or go go Gadget D’Antoni!
Or see D’Antoni. See D’Antoni run.
I’m giddy. Its all well and good to agonize over what ifs, but its a miracle that the Bulls may have a shot at a coach like D’Antoni. A freakin’ miracle.
Yes we can. Yes we can hire D'Antoni. Yes we can.
Scoing 109 points/game is change we can believe in.
by preverbal on May 5, 2008 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
giddy
sums up the way i feel perfectly.
i think if Pax gets this done it would be the best day from a Bulls standpoint for me since Jordan faced “Byron” Russell out of his jock that night in the SLC.
by Orlando Woolridge on May 5, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OTOH...
...w/ “naturally defensive” guys, getting D’Antoni would be the opposite of getting a coach to fit the players, as, I think, Sam Smith said Paxson said he was going to do. A number of “smart people” think the Bulls would be suited to an offense like D’Antoni’s, but who really knows?
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
As a season ticket holder, I just want to watch an interesting team. Last season, it was really f’in hard to go to games. Felt like a chore.
Obviously, I really want the Bulls to be good. However, if they’re going to suck, they might as well be entertaining while sucking. I’ll take a run and gun suck over the crap we saw last season.
by Moses Taylor on May 5, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have to hire D'Antoni if we can
If D’Antoni is available, the Bulls have to do everything in their power to get him. There isn’t a coach in the world who would be better for what the Bulls need right now. Guys were beaten down by Skiles and need to get their confidence back and start having fun playing basketball again.
And stop it with the defensive concerns. Defense is mostly effort, and guys will play harder for D’Antoni, because they’ll get more into the flow offensively, and the energy will carry over to the defense. We obviously have the personnel to play defense. Guys just weren’t putting in the effort and focus, because they hated the coach and weren’t having fun playing anymore.
As bad as last season was, we shouldn’t be in that bad of shape. Hiring D’Antoni would be the first step to getting things back on track followed by evaluating the roster and seeing who will fit into his system and seeing what value guys have on the trade market. Hopefully a change or 2 as well as using the #9 pick wisely (either in a trade package or for a player who can help) can get us back in the mix in the East.
by rb22 on May 5, 2008 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pax needs to get his mojo back
Hurry up and sign Mr. D before your posturing winds up forcing the Bulls to settle for some leftover. Toronto would love to have him and he is in the driver’s seat. The PR value alone of this move is invaluable. Basketball would be rejuvinated in Chicago, so open up the Reinsdorf’s vault so the Bulls can open up the vault of the crypt they spent this season in.
The fans are not impressed that you are going to interview everyone who is available and has a pulse to show what a wise man you are rather than act mpulsively. This isn’t Tibet and you are not the Dali Llama, Pax. Get out that checkbook, and make the call now. You can revitalize your reputaton and the franchise if you do. If you want to permenantly remove the stain of Boylan forever, do it now before you blow it again.
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by Tyrusmancrush on May 5, 2008 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems like the last time Pax tried to make a big splash
we all got to spend the next couple of years watching Ben Wallace not jump.
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by wjb1492 on May 5, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think several people saw that coming
But were blinded by the “Pax does no wrong” credo and refused to admit it was a stupid move. It was a bad signing, every team makes them, we must move forward from it. At least we’re still not tied up with contracts to Charlie Bell, Bobby Simmons, and Dan Gadzuric.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've moved forward from that
But suggestions that Pax “hurry up” and do something, or that PR alone makes it worthwhile bring that signing back to mind. I don’t want Pax sitting on his thumbs out of fear of screwing up any more than anyone else. But I do think this is a significant decision – I don’t think I’d say D’Antoni is so much of a genious that he should be offered the job immediately.
But I suppose at least a coaching mistake is a little easier to get out from under than a bad long-term player’s contract.
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by wjb1492 on May 5, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to stop playing around
You hit the nail on the head. Time to stop preening. as Tyrusmancrush said, crack the whip. Go get your man Pax. Nail it down early and get this franchise moving again.
by SlamDunk on May 5, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pax and Walsh both flew out
to see D’Antoni.
GET ‘EM PAX!
by Jaina on May 5, 2008 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was fast
Didn’t Pax just go on vacation or was that just last week?
by NBA Observer on May 5, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a joke
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by snley on May 5, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was
extremely pleased to read this considering it’s not like he flew out to see avery right away. particularly because if they flew out last night, it was pretty much before the news broke that d’antoni was even allowed to speak to other teams.
by Jaina on May 5, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, it was the vacation portion that was a joke
I was shocked to see that Paxson flew to Phoenix alread
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by snley on May 5, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If D'Antoni gets hired
BG and Deng have to be the happiest of the bunch. Both are perfect for this offense, and I think D’Antoni can get both of them to be more aggressive, getting more trips to the foul line, attacking the rims, trying to be better finishers instead of settling for outside jumpers.
He has a track record of developing talent. Amare, Marion, Diaw, and Barbosa all exceeded expectations under him. Nash had his best seasons ever under him, and let’s not forget how a career scrub like Raja Bell became a starter and one of the best shooters in the league under D’Antoni. He even managed to integrate Shaq somewhat well after the trade, which must have been ridiculously difficult to accomplish on the fly in the midst of a playoff race.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't think Deng is perfect
since he can’t shoot threes.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 5, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't or won't?
Shawn Marion wasn’t a great 3 point shooter. His percentages went down every season since D’Antoni was a head coach, and that didn’t stop them from being a great outside shooting team. And, if D’Antoni does get hired, I wouldn’t be shocked to see Deng start launching 2 a game at the behest of his new coach.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't it the Bulls coaches
that encouraged Deng to ignore the 3pt shot and work on developing his shot from 12-18 feet? Deng talked about improving his FG% after his second season and the best way the staff told him to get there was to avoid working on long range perimeter shooting and just focus on the midrange game where Deng was already a solid shooter.
by NBA Observer on May 5, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically
But, at the beginning of last season, he stated he wanted to start developing more of a 3 point shot, since he had his midrange jumper down pat. He was shooting them more often in the early parts of the preseason, but went away from it after injuries and the season became a colossal waste of time. He doesn’t need to shoot 4-5 threes a game, although I wouldn’t mind seeing Hinrich and Gordon attempting that many. If he shoots 1-2 a game, I’m convinced he could shoot as well as Marion in Phoenix (30-33%).
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deng does certain things very well.
He runs around relentlessly and finds little screen opportunities, and when he finds them he’s got good hands to catch and shoot a very effective mid-range jump shot. A coach with a good offensive imagination should be able to figure out how to put Deng’s strong points in play.
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by alec on May 5, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would hiring D'Antoni help with contract negotiations?
Not that there is any information to support the notion, but maybe BG and Deng weren’t exactly jazzed up about 5 years of guaranteed money playing for Scott Skiles.
by NBA Observer on May 5, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that had to do more with the cashflow
They would have showed you jazz hands had Paxson offered 65 million.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're kinda right about Deng
As a small forward who’s not really a 3 point shooter or a ball handler/playmaker, he isn’t necessarily a great fit, but it depends who is in the game with him. If he and Nocioni are at the forwards together it works, because Noce can space the floor. If it’s a more conventional lineup with Tyrus or Gooden at the 4 though, they lack some of the spacing and outside shooting that’s more ideal to play the way D’Antoni wants to play.
I’m not advocating starting Noce and Deng at the forwards though, because I think Tyrus has the potential to be great in this system. I guess what I’m saying is that I would be more open to dealing Deng if D’Antoni gets the job… or Maybe Deng works hard on improving his 3 point range and his ball handling/playmaking. He is only 23 and is already a pretty good shooter. Plus, I think Mike D would probably give him the green light and instill some confidence in him like he did with guys like Bell and Marion who were never known as 3 point shooters before.
by rb22 on May 5, 2008 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Paxson's last big splash was a belly flop of monumental proportions, but
he recovered somewhat on his last dive by dumping our biggest albatross, Ben Nopointsnofreethrowsnodesire Wallace. If he pulls this one off I think most judges would give him a perfect 10. Every player on the roster has to be salivating with the possibility of playing for a players coach who not only can teach. motivate and knows how to win, but also has a sense of humor where everyone around him can share in the laugh. Boylan tried to be clever and funny but never realized people were laughing at him, not with him.
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by Tyrusmancrush on May 5, 2008 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Knock on wood, please
I’m absolutely ecstatic at the thought of this occurring, but it seems to good to be true. We shall see.
by Illini15 on May 5, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salivating
I think all the stars are realigning, and Pax should take D’Antoni’s availability as a sign that indicates the second coming of the Bulls. My guy Noah will be happy and this could only spell good things for a stud like Tyrus. Some things happen for a reason. Out with vindictive, negative trash like Skiles and in with a breath of fresh air like D’Antoni. The only way D’Antoni doesn’t end up in Chicago is if Paxson proves to be brain dead.
by SlamDunk on May 5, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the Larry Hughes angle in this?
Chances are he can’t get traded and won’t be banished to the inactive list. His shooting as has been terrible and if D’Antoni comes in we assume he’ll only get more looks right? Is there a positive in this? He lead the league in steals a few years ago. Perhaps a more up tempo game can let him flourish in transition and points off turnovers?
by The90sBullsRevival on May 5, 2008 1:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe an even greater pace would help or
just hope that D’Antoni goes with a short bench and severely limits Hughes’s minutes.
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by snley on May 5, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Bulls were #2 in opponent turnovers in 2006-07
D’Antoni’s teams never sniffed that, and Hughes wasn’t around.
by hscs on May 5, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully D'Antoni can encourage him to get to the FT line more
instead of jacking up those God-awful mid-range jumpers
by Illini15 on May 5, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
give up the dream
Larry Hughes is Larry Hughes. He should be the 4th guard.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 5, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i know
i was trying to be optimistic for once. bah.
by Illini15 on May 5, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes is likely to take as many fewer shots
as he is fewer dollars on his contract.
I’m with Matt, but just make him he 5th guard.
by NBA Observer on May 5, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Would be like the Eddie House on our team
Just let him shoot whenever and make him happy
by Option27 on May 5, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Eddie House can shoot the three
Hughes really can’t.
by NBA Observer on May 5, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would just shoot
I wasn’t being specific on the three’s
by Option27 on May 5, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only thing that could screw this up (besides money)
Is the vacant Knicks GM job. D’Antoni carried two titles in Phoenix until Kerr showed up, didn’t he?
by hscs on May 5, 2008 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i somehow think
the knicks’ days of dual gm/coach are over.
i think money will be the only stopper.
by Jaina on May 5, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's Walsh?
Didn’t that ESPN article basically say that Walsh and Paxson have the same titles?
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walsh is President of the Knicks
I haven’t seen anything mentioning that he’s even looking for a GM. Who knows if that means he’s actually taking on personnel responsibilities or going to hand those over to the eventual coach?
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by snley on May 5, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walsh is president of something or other
but he’s looking for a general manager too.
by hscs on May 5, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected
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by snley on May 5, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walsh is building an executive chain
like the one he built in Indiana. The Simons are better owners than the Dolans so I’m not aware if there was friction there prior to Walsh arriving in Indianapolis, but I can see why Walsh would want strong execs in between Dolan and the Knicks coaches/players.
by NBA Observer on May 5, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That
article make the case that Walsh will hire Kenny Smith as GM and Mark Jackson as Coach.
Joakim Noah for player/coach!
by marionette on May 5, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't necessarily look for more FTAs
from BG and Lu, Ozzie. D’Antoni’s ‘05-06 Suns (minus microfracture Amare) set record for playoff team w/ fewest trips to the line.
Joakim Noah for player/coach!
by marionette on May 5, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, as soon as I wrote that I regretted it
Hey,who needs FT’s when you shoot 50% from the floor and 40% from 3 :)
Although I seem to recall that logic not working somewhere else….........
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wore both hats for the season and a half between Colangelo and Kerr
But, if he doesn’t want to be bothered by meddling owners or executives, I don’t think he’ll want anything to do with Dolan.
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by snley on May 5, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willing to bet D'Antoni not going to the Knicks
I am certain that D’Antoni’s only interest is the Bulls job. They’re a young team with some explosive athletes, terrific fan base and the Jordan aura. He tried mightily to acquire Noah in the 2007 draft but the Suns were denied by the stars when things eerily, didn’t break the franchise’s way. He’ll get to coach him in Chicago. No doubt, the Knicks would love to bring D’Antoni to New York, but it’s D’Antoni’s call, and he knows that he can win a championship in Chicago.
If the Knicks hire Mark Jackson, it will be a PR move. They are looking for a reason not to be saddled with that albatross. How else can you explain their reluctance to pull the trigger on what many considered a no-brainer.
by SlamDunk on May 5, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan aura?
Personally, I don’t see how that matters. Chicago does have a nice championship history, but I think what’s more important to D’Antoni is that Chicago has a roster that can fit his offensive philosophy, they have a GM who isn’t going to try and interfere too much with roster changes unless it’s absolutely necessary, and that the city and franchise will openly embrace a head coach with a career head coaching record above .500 for the first time since Phil Jackson.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'Antoni seems like the right guy
but where is this development aspect coming from? Diaw and Barbossa both regressed after having good year. Diaw was a contract year thing, too, I think. I don’t think developing players is one of D’Antoni’s strengths. Didn’t he get panned for only going 8 deep this year?
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 5, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
8 deep this year
because that’s all they had to work with. They traded picks and players to get under the luxury tax even though they still broke it. Marc Stein says the Shaq trade put the Suns over the luxury tax. I don’t know how that works since Marion/Banks actually made more money together than Shaq was paid as an individual. The Suns were breaking the luxtax whether they made the trade or not.
Needless to say, the Bulls don’t have that high level talent that the Suns have, but we are a far deeper team.
by NBA Observer on May 5, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most players regress after having a good year
Still, like you, I’m curious as to how much the initial development had to do with D’Antoni as opposed to the players themselves and other members of the coaching staff who may not be following D’Antoni to his next job.
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by snley on May 5, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare, Diaw, Joe Johnson before the trade,
Barbossa, ... All of these are young players. It seems like D’Antoni at least put them in a position to succeed.
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by bullhockey on May 5, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One potential way to get rid of Hughes
From looking at every roster in the league, and their salary situations, the only realistic way I can potentially see getting rid of Hughes so far is by trading him to the Pacers for Jermaine O’Neal…
Both guys have terrrible contracts with 2 more years left, but Jermaine makes about 21 million with Hughes just under 13 million. If you add Gooden’s expiring deal of about 7 milion then the salaries match up. I think the Bulls might also have to throw the #9 pick into the deal to make this sweet enough for Indy though.
From the Pacers viewpoint, they save about 8 million in guaranteed salary for 2009-2010, because Gooden will be off the books after next year. They also then have the #9 and #11 picks in the draft this year to get some young talent to build with. I think O’Neal has kind of quit on them and wants out, and I think they’re in need of getting rid of some bigger contracts. Granted they still have to pay Tinsley and Troy Murphy a ton of money through 2010-2011, but maybe they can address that in another deal or 2. At least gettting rid of O’Neal gets them going in the right direction in terms of cutting salary and getting a good draft pick.
From the Bulls viewpoint, I guess the first thing is to figure out if O’Neal is washed up/too injury-prone, or if he’s just fed up with the situation in Indy and needs a change of scenery to get himself going again. He is only 29 years old and has enough skill that he should be able to play at a high level for at least the next 2 years, which he would be under contract for.
I like Noah and Thomas and don’t want to stunt their growth by not getting them enough minutes, but I think a 3 man rotation at the 4 & 5 spots of O’Neal, Noah, and Thomas could work well. That’s 32 minutes each that can be adjusted depending on who is having a good night or is in foul trouble. Plus O’Neal gives a much different look on offense than Noah or Thomas as he is a better post scorer and a better shooter out the about 17 feet. O’Neal is a good rebounder and shot blocker too, so the Bulls should be set as far as interior defense and rebounding.
I also think this helps the perimeter guys on offense and prevents them from having to try to score or create too much, because we’d have a legitimate scoring big man. This would take the load off of Hinrich, Gordon, and Deng and make us a more well rounded team offensively.
I don’t know how realistic this is, but I have been trying to think of any way possible to get rid of Highes, and I know that the only way to do it will be taking back a bad contract in return and giving up a young player or draft pick with it.
by rb22 on May 5, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
send them Noc instead
and keep the pick, because I’d still rather bench hughes and have Noc chuck up shots than see 40 games of an indifferent and whiny JO. However, TT and Noah would have to get more minutes if JO was always out hurt…
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 5, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O'Neal
Don’t touch him. Injury prone, and a bit of a head case.
by SlamDunk on May 5, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he could be had for Gooden, or even better Nocioni, and Hughes
he’d be worth taking a shot on. If he doesn’t produce this coming season, he makes for a nice, big expiring contract for next offseason or that season’s trade deadline.
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Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 5, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O'Neal
Ths would only be a 2 year commitment on O’Neal as his contract is up after 2009-2010. We’re already on the hook with Gooden for 1 year and Hughes 2, so I think it could be worth it.
If it doesn’t work out next year, then the Bulls either have an expiring $22 million contract to trade or to hang onto to create cap space for the summer of 2010.
And as far as sending Nocioni instead, the Pacers are trying to cut salary and Nocioni has a longer contract. This is appealing to them, because Gooden comes off the books after next year, and they get another good pick in this year’s draft. They also already have Granger and Dunleavy, who are both really small forwards, so adding another one would not make any sense. We’re all Bulls fans here, but you have to look at these trades from both sides.
by rb22 on May 5, 2008 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Use the reply button. It's easy.
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by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be great if Indiana would be willing to take Hughes off our hands .
I think they would want at the least our first round draft pick along with Hughes and likely Gooden or Nocioni. Despite his injuries he would be a great addition. Although his offense has not been that impressive recently, he would give the Bulls another terrific defensive, shot blocking big. The Bulls could afford to rest him with his injury history because of their depth. As long as he is healthy for the playoff run, because with his addition, the Bulls would definitely make the playoffs next year (assuming D’Antoni is our coach) and get beyond the first round, at the least. Wishful thinking, maybe, but I don’t think so.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
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by Tyrusmancrush on May 5, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
See? I did it twice in a row.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 5, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you sure told him...
well played or something…
Step 1 - Hire a coach. Step 2 - ... Step 3 - Win.
by Lt.Dan on May 5, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happens to the current coaching staff?
I will confess I am not familiar with any of the Bulls staff outside of Pete Myers, and Ron Adams because Joakim bitched him out. Regardless of what coach is hired, are they going to stay, or be let go to make room for new assistants? What will we do without Myers challenging our players to great games?
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2008 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hopefully they are GONE
Pete Myers? Ron Adams? pfffffft
i’m sick of the culture of losing and that’s all those guys bring to the table.
by Orlando Woolridge on May 5, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
the revisionists sure got here in a hurry…
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 5, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Revisionists?
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
calling ron adams and pete myers
losers based on last season is being a little over the top, isn’t it?
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 6, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have really loved to have Avery
But what do I know?
I was the one that hated the drafting of Noah and now he’s my favorite player.
I just don’t want the Bulls to lose the defensive mind state (that they lost this year already).
I want the players happy and if that means hiring D’Antoni, then be it. As long as they’re better when they’re happy.
by Option27 on May 5, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need Avery like we need Ron Adams.
Young stallions need room to run, not someone who will turn them into harness racers.
If you’e going to saddle them up, make sure the trainer cracking the whip is someone who recognizes this. My only concern if the Bulls let Adams go is how Noah’s psyche will handle the loss of his spiritual mentor. And then if the next shoe drops, meaning cutting Pete Myers adrift, can the Bulls really afford to lose a quality hall of famer like him? Oh wait, I was thinking of Pete Maravich.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
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by Tyrusmancrush on May 5, 2008 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The New Slogan for this Year?
Its been said many places since d’anotoni’s name came up, but the new slogan for this upcoming year has to be something like “Prepare for the Running of the Bulls!!!” And if we once again become a 50+ win team, then the slogan should be “No one can escape this Stampede”.....oooh….(crosses fingers) PLEEZE HAPPEN< AND PLEASE DONT HAPPEN LIKE BEN WALLACE HAPPENED!!!!!
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 5, 2008 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Marc Stein
Just reported on Sportscenter that he thinks it is very likely he ends up in Chicago and that Bulls players are “very excited.” Nice. Make it happen, Pax!!!!!!!!
by Illini15 on May 5, 2008 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
re brood mares
lol. Isn’t it bad enough they were led this year by a bunch of braying jackasses?
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on May 5, 2008 5:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dont know if this has been said but....
knock 2 birds out with one stone and hire Dantoni to be the head coach (for our offense) and thibedo as an assistant (for our defense)
by eross226 on May 5, 2008 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not go for broke with
Avery Johnson coaching defense?
Oh, that’s right. Because Reinsdorf owns this team, not Cuban.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on May 6, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh
why would Avery Johnson want to be an assistant coach?
This is a irrational-Reinsdorf-hate free zone. It’s not like you even have to look far, you want Robert Sarver owning this team? (seems like) He’s making Kerr say they want D’Antoni to remain coach just so he doesn’t have to fire him (and therefore pay him), and instead make it look like the Bulls pulled him away.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I brought it up and got a good answer
Thibadeau as of right now (well see how the playoffs fair) is on an assistant on a winning team, why would he transfer and become the assistant on a team thats one lousy season away from rebuilding. Money does make the world go around, but it depends on how much is being thrown out there, you would imagine it would have to be alot. Plus i think if thibadeau did leave Boston it would be to become head coach, i think that must be what most assistants desire.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 5, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I'm expecting and do not know with D'Antoni
1- More threes – we certainly have the team to do this. Gordon, Hinrich, Noc, Thabo,
2- I don’t know how he will use Tyrus. This will be interesting
3- I do not know what happens with Gooden and Hughes
4- Gray will lose minutes
5- Noah should benefit from getting up and down the court
5- D’Antoni certainly is engaging and likable
6- It will be interesting to see who we draft
My primary concern will be defense. We deteriorated defensively and I’m not sure liking the coach is the solution.
by chgobr on May 5, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, certainly numbers 4, 5(A?) and possibly numbers 2 and 3 could help the D bounce back
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 5, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mean, sure
kerr is letting dan tony talk wit teams and sure there have been many sources of dan tony leaving/getting fired, but i still wont believe that dan tony would want to come to the bulls. i wont believe anything until i see some hard-core evidence. remembr sam smith’s article on the OMG trade for AK47?! yeah, i didnt think so. i think that pax will never make things happen no matter what and he even has a history of destroying players, then trading them to blossom (ie Elton, Chandler, Artest). i am anti-Pax but even if he does get DanTony after all the effort, who’s to say it was worth the effort (ie Ben Wallace)?
Finally: The End.
by ChiTownCritic on May 5, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pax traded Brand and Artest?
Really?
I think you are misinformed.
Step 1 - Hire a coach. Step 2 - ... Step 3 - Win.
by Lt.Dan on May 5, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you dont remember?
we had them. We Had Elton Brand! and We Traded Ron Artest! (with a bunch of other ppl, for jalen rose). Trust me, I couldn’t believe it either.
Finally: The End.
by ChiTownCritic on May 5, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, no....
Um, yeah…I’m not disputing that.
Maybe read those links next time Skippy. Pax did not trade Brand or Artest. Those were Krause moves. Get your facts straight. Thanks!
Step 1 - Hire a coach. Step 2 - ... Step 3 - Win.
by Lt.Dan on May 5, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad.
i guess im just so used to blaming paxson for everything :)
Finally: The End.
by ChiTownCritic on May 5, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my name's.. not..
“skippy.”
Finally: The End.
by ChiTownCritic on May 5, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
We (almost) got your coach!
Finally: The End.
by ChiTownCritic on May 5, 2008 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry, ignore that
lol i thought i was on the Suns Blog. my bad.
Finally: The End.
by ChiTownCritic on May 5, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that...
Doesn’t surprise me.
Step 1 - Hire a coach. Step 2 - ... Step 3 - Win.
by Lt.Dan on May 5, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
boo!..
surprised?
Finally: The End.
by ChiTownCritic on May 5, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Trib says D'Antoni wants the Bulls job
It also says Paxson interviewed some guy named Mark Dunlap (a Denver assistant). I know nothing about the guy at all, but it would be hilarious if Paxson decided to hire a guy no one’s ever heard of over Mike D’Antoni and Avery Johnson.
by Big D on May 5, 2008 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
also in that article is an oddly buried Skiles contract statement...
KC (again in an offhand comment of course) writes that the organization “owes Skiles millions.” Weird how it still hasn’t been stated in a clear way how much is owed or on what terms X dollars are owed. Unless I missed it?
by micah on May 6, 2008 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
skiles is off the books
taking the milwookie head coaching job , he can’t be paid by more than one team.
even in the Donaghy Era.
by Orlando Woolridge on May 6, 2008 3:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This topic has it's own post
Yes, it’s sad that we still don’t know the story with Skiles. A coach cannot be paid to coach two different teams, but I don’t see why a team cannot pay a coach as part of a buyout and then fire the coach. Coaching salaries aren’t privy to the CBA. They’re independent of it.
What it looks like is Skiles was fired, but went to ownership and said the team needs a new voice and so it should just meet somewhere half way on the contractual terms. Skiles could have just stayed and earned the entirety of his contract. He didn’t. The reports indicate he was offered 7 million to depart immediately. This 7 million can be paid out whenever Reinsdorf feels like it.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I emailed Sam on this one...
Sam Smith said that the Bulls forgave the offset portion of his deal, in exchange for him forfeiting $ 1 mil. Skiles gets the $ 6 mil from the Bulls on top of the Milwaukee contract. Sarver (because he’s a cheap ass who sells valuable draft picks for cash) likely will not forgive the offset requirement.
Observer – I’m not sure if that represents the buyout you reference.
by Gene Banks on May 7, 2008 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The changing of coaches would be different
D’Antoni can walk away from his contract any time he wants. To do so he forfeits the 8.5 mil and two years remaining. But that’s easy to walk away from when you’re dissatisfied with the club and you have 4/5 years and 16-30 million out there begging you to leave.
Skiles was fired in my opinion. The Bulls have just put lipstick on a pig for better public relations.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
espn
goes a little further:
ESPN.com reported Friday that Chicago was the most likely landing spot for D’Antoni if he could convince his owner (Robert Sarver) and team president (Kerr) that it was time to part company. Yet it remains to be seen how much the Bulls are willing to spend on a new head man when they still owe an estimated $6 million to new Milwaukee Bucks coach Scott Skiles, according to NBA coaching sources.
by NormVanBeer on May 6, 2008 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best news for me, yet.
Phil Webber, considered a strong offensive mind and solid player developer, almost surely would accompany D’Antoni.
So D’Antoni wants to coach the Bulls, and the guy who has overseen the developments of Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudamire, Joe Johnson, and Leandro Barbosa will likely join him. Gosh, I wish K.C. Johnson would validate all his claims.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really want a defensive assistant minded coach
Weve been over that this team can be a good defensive team, thats what alot of them were drafted for. I would like at least one of the 3 assistants to be defensive minded (ideally i would want two of them to be defensive minded, to even it out). The offense for this team and the players have to develop, but the defense has to be maintained (not this years defensive but the potential defense this team can play, you know when they are the 2nd best team at forcing turnovers) and having a few coaches who know these things would be nice.
Sort of OT but i hope this coaching thing continues at least up until the lottery, with us getting litlte tidbitts every day. Offseasons can be boring, but not as boring as when your team is not in the playoffs as the playoffs are going on. Its like limbo… after the lottery everyone will focus on who to get, and after the draft there will be thoughts on trades and playing styles and lineups, and after that will be the predictions and preseason, and then….”Witness the Running of the Bulls”?
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 6, 2008 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, since Chicago is a big market
team that makes lots of money, the Bulls could get D’Antoni as head coach, with Phil Webber in his luggage as an assistant, and then hire Avery as their defensive minded assistant :-)
The Game chose him !
by Diabolo on May 6, 2008 5:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Bach?
The Bulls still pay him if I recall correctly. His capacity is probably limited to just an advisory role and I’m not really sure he’s interested in the NBA travel schedule.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Didn’t know that Weber predated D’Antoni’s arrival in Phoenix. His NBA.com profile says Weber also developed Baron Davis and Jalen Rose.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like it's close
Sources in both organizations openly expect D’Antoni to wind up in Chicago now - with one Phoenix source going so far as to describe a deal as “imminent” - but it’s believed that financial complications account for the one obstacle that could derail his move from the desert to the Windy City.
by NormVanBeer on May 6, 2008 8:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Paxson should just flow with the tide
D’Antoni tells Kerr he wants to speak to other teams. Kerr is reluctant at first. Thinks about it. Then yesterday the Suns press release confirms that D’Antoni wants to talk to other teams. Jack McCallum is probably sourcing his articles to D’Antoni himself.
Now Stein is picking up from his sources that D’Antoni asked to speak to other teams because he wanted to speak with Chicago.
Make it a deal happen Paxson. Reinsdorf will resist, but only at first.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's rather nebulous, isn't it?
Unless it’s a joke that I don’t get.
by hscs on May 6, 2008 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's writing satire of himself now.
We’ve entered Fun Times!
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Reinsdorf will resist, but only at first."
Why?
by hscs on May 6, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
I think Reinsdorf will resist because he has expressed an interest in a specific style of basketball. He’s a businessman first. He likes people that stick to contracts. But on basketball he has repeatedly stated over the years that he likes basketball that stresses defense, moves the basketball, and incorporates all the parts of the the team. This preference isn’t exactly in line with D’Antoni’s approach to the NBA game. The two philosophies will clash and this is why I think there will be resistance to hiring D’Antoni, but only at first.
Paxson will have to make the case to Reinsdorf that the approach to finding a coach that matches the Bulls roster is best conducted through D’Antoni. The defense will have to be addressed in the hiring of assistants. Ron Adams is still with the club, but he’s a big man coach. Pete Myers is still with the club as well, but I really don’t know what his capacity is with the team. I think he was responsible for knowing the opponents play calls and relay that info to the 5 man unit on the floor.
Matt usually says Reinsdorf should make no public comments. It’s not like what he’s saying now is any different than what he’s been saying since he bought the team.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Adams = big man coach?
I thought it was Mike Brown?
by NormVanBeer on May 6, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adams was working with the bigs
before Mike Brown arrived. Once Brown arrived he started working with Gray, Gooden, Noah, Thomas and Simmons.
Adams was also a defensive coach. He’s now an organization guy. He was on the Cartwright staff. Then he was held over to be on the Skiles staff.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhhh, thanks
i already knew some of the same things…it’s just that when you said he was the big man coach, I thought you meant currently. I just misunderstood what you originally said.
by NormVanBeer on May 6, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adams was hired by Paxson
the summer Paxson took over – he wasn’t a Cartwright hire. And I believe Pete Myers worked withthe bigs, and Adams was the offensive coach. He’s the one who was working with Noah to improve his shooting.
by KT on May 6, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct
That Paxson hired Adams. He just hired Adams to fill the final seat next to Cartwright on his staff.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prior to Mike Brown’s arrival, the Bulls big man coach was…
Scott Skiles.
The stories that came out around the time of Brown’s hiring were that Skiles never wanted a specifically designated big man’s coach because he felt he could do it the way he wanted better by himself.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 6, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, you're basing it on innocuous comments
Fine.
by hscs on May 6, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 years of them
Probably a poor set of data to draw from.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 years of hard data
but Reinsdorf folds for D’Antoni? Hot air.
by hscs on May 6, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
Seems unlikely, but Reinsdorf is a businessman first and an artisan of athletics second.
Any guesses on what level of excitement would ensue if the Bulls hire D’Antoni as their head coach?
There’s a nice window open right now to make this decision. The chattering classes can take over from there until May 20th when the lottery is announced. Just about anything will do that pushes the White Sox off the front pages.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me get a hot-air balloon...
...there’s enough windbaggery here to make Jules Verne happy.
Or something.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jules Verne? Nah...
Look no further than the White Sox locker room.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 6, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More speculation
This time from across the pond.
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/05/06/magic_kingdom_losing_its_illus.html
If, as is expected, the Phoenix Suns opt to allow head coach Mike D’Antoni to bolt, it will curtail what has been one of the most enjoyable époques in recent NBA history. The former Milan chief created an all-too rare beast, a running ‘n’ gunning roster which was always fun to watch, even though their defensive flaws prevented them from charging all the way to a title.
D’Antoni has, according to espn.com, held talks with the Chicago Bulls about their coaching vacancy. If he makes the switch, it could be very good news for Great Britain. As an assistant on the USA national team, he would surely encourage Luol Deng and Ben Gordon to represent their country (assuming one or both re-sign with the Bulls). And with sources telling me that Gordon is “60% likely” to turn out for GB in August’s European Championships, a subtle nudge from his new boss may increase those odds still further.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nice find
Am I just catering to the ‘soft and emotionally fragile’ mentality of the Bulls roster when I say I really want Deng and Gordon to be happy? :-)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy, what's wrong with that?
Players looking for a contract with “60%” chances of playing GB in the August championships?
Diaw played for France. Must have been D’Antoni’s idea.
Did Sean Marks play for New Zealand? Whoops, he retired from international bball and took the oath. He’s an American now. Get him over to Team USA before Arenas quits.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm, I understood about none of that
I was just pointing out that despite them both not earning the coveted label of ‘an NBAO man’s man’, it’d be nice for Gordon and Deng to have a coach that supported them, in whatever way.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phoenix radio reporting that the Knicks are now in a better position to
sign D’Antoni because the Bulls are unwilling to meet his financial demands.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!
by 1958ChiTown on May 6, 2008 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the plot thickens...
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 6, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
......Does he know who's on that roster?
Zach Randolph and Eddy Curry=disaster for any team who chooses to run n’ gun. I would not imagine D’Antoni is that intrigued by money that he would pass up a better chance to win for a bigger paycheck.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anybody heard of negotiating through the press?
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 6, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People were taking that report for face value
If that’s what D’Antoni’s doing, more power to him.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'Antoni is a fool if he takes the money to go to NY
that roster is a nightmare and a bad fit for his style. The bulls are a tweak or two away from being really effective next year.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 6, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which station?
Bright Side of the Sun has a post up about one PHX radio reporter’s “hunch”.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to put this down to
Reinsdorf’s obligatory initial resistance….
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 6, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We know the ask price
4.25 mil per.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
excuse my language
but fuck the bulls! if this is true. we have a great chance and getting a great coach, and we are going to blow it to the knicks! i can’t imagine anyone wanting to coach there, but they sure can shell out the $$$. if the bulls blow it after reports say that d’antoni wanted to come coach them, no words can describe… seriously. another blown bulls opportunity.
by Jaina on May 6, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Pax-Bad Pax
Good Pax, speaking to Mike D’Antoni: Mike, I understand that things didn’t work out between you and the Suns. We’ve been a defensive-minded franchise in the past, but we think you could bring something truly special to Chicago. Our guys are already really good defensively; they just need to play for a coach who cares and who will teach. I have personally put this roster together, and I know that they will do wonders for a coach such as you. I even let Jim Boylan have some space when he went against my edict to play our young bigs. In some ways, Mike, I’m asking you to save my tenure as GM. You’ll have all the support in the world.
Bad Pax: I built this roster, and they are a defense-first roster. You’ve done ok, but with all due respect, you’ve only coached half the floor. If you take over this team, it could be your shot at glory, but make no mistake about it: we’re a defense-first team, and we’re not about to change that for you because you’ve had a few good years. This is your final chance. Take it or leave it.
Be Good, Pax!
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on May 6, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
link please?
unless you’re listening to Phoenix radio yourself, in which case then let me know what they think about Max Scherzer.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is a link...
from Jackson:
“General manager John Paxson has declined to comment, but ESPN.com is reporting, citing NBA front-office sources, that the Bulls and Phoenix Suns coach Mike D’Antoni are close to agreeing on a deal. But a Phoenix radio station reports that D’Antoni is closer to a deal with the New York Knicks because money is getting in the way of a Bulls’ deal.”
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/933889,bull050608.article
I have been cruising Phoenix radio all day. They don’t really provide much more detail than that.
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by 1958ChiTown on May 6, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks.
Weird that nobody else has picked that up. Depressing if true.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to believe it's a negotiating tactic.
Either that, or D’Antoni has a huge ego and wants to show how he can change even that group around. Which wouldn’t be surprising; he is a head coach of an NBA team getting ousted because he wants to run things his way…............
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or it could be
the D’Antoni wants to be at least paid more than what he’s giving up by leaving Phoenix (which isn’t ego, but smart).
So if you combine that money (over $4m reportedly) with the Skiles pension....it's substantial.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God, though...
wouldn’t you just stay in Phoenix or get fired if the Bulls won’t meet your demands, though? I’d rather force Phoenix’s hand than go to the Knicks.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"If I were him..."
and yes, I used “though” twice in the same sentence.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dunno
it’s possible that if fired he can’t coach anywhere until his contract runs out. (or is that possible? I don’t know)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, it's possible if it's in the contract.
Probably not likely. It would also take a TON of leverage away from D’Antoni, which it seems he’s had.
Who knows? until it’s over, I guess no one.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's something so appropriately "Evil Empire"
about the Knicks, though. Even good people like Donnie Walsh could conceiveably go there for a big payday only, and not to actually perform well, since the biggest impediment to performing well is the culture put in place by the actual owners.
I guess what I’m saying is that if D’Antoni was really fed up with everything and wanted a big payday and a big payday only, New York City would be the place.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on May 6, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably his agent talking up the bid price
I guess he could accept whatever hardship there will be with a 50 win team in the West next season, but doing that would get him his 4.25 mil and another season. If they do well he gets an extension that’s richer than ever. If he fails, he’s in the same boat he is now only with different head coaching vacancies.
Since he requested to speak with teams, was granted this permission, I think he’s already got one foot out the door and just needs that 4 year deal and 16-18 mil to get that other foot out of Phoenix.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
670 the Score talking about D'Antoni...
Points…
- Talking about why they should hire him and the need to get players on the roster to fit his system.
- Have to do something, not working, make a change.
- come up with a new style of play.
- D’Antoni v. Johnson…Johnson more like Skiles…
- basically, change the style…
Step 1 - Hire a coach. Step 2 - ... Step 3 - Win.
by Lt.Dan on May 6, 2008 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I assume this is Brian Hanley talking?
did he say they need to get other players to fit his system? or the current players? Indications from our recluse GM is that it’s the latter.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I believe it was Hanley...
Said get players to fit D’Antoni’s style of play…and not “a non-shooting center like before”...
Really emphasized the thought of changing things up…style-wise…
Step 1 - Hire a coach. Step 2 - ... Step 3 - Win.
by Lt.Dan on May 6, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Hanley say where these magical plyers were going to come
from? Or who they were?
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by 1958ChiTown on May 6, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ironically
that non-shooting center was supposedly coveted by D’Antoni in the draft.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paxson's tight-lippededness(?) sort of makes me giggle.
I understand it to an extent. I wouldn’t want to talk to media jackasses either, even if it was my job. It’s still funny.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of funny, yeah
It was funnier with Jerry “Crumbs” Krause :)
Probably because of the media’s bias against short, not-that-handsome, overweight people.
Damn. And here I am perpetuating that by calling him “Crumbs”. I take back the part about “Crumbs.” But I don’t take the rest of it back.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on May 6, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's why it's even weirder with Paxson
he was hired in part because he was the antithesis of Krause in terms of perception. (and apparently performance! hahahaha)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Yeah, he’ll always have his playing days, which should instantly set him apart from Crumbs Jerry Krause. But the public has kind of a short memory, as demonstrated by the fact that one of the recent diaries / fan posts states pretty clearly that Avery Johnson never won a championship (he was the PG when the Spurs won in ‘98-’99).
Similarly, if things don’t go well with Pax, he’ll be remembered as a bumbling GM. Not saying it would be fair…
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on May 6, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
I don’t think it’s really hampering his job performance, but it’s something worth poking fun at.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'm getting confused with the Skiles salary situation.
Yet it remains to be seen how much the Bulls are willing to spend on a new head man when they still owe an estimated $6 million to new Milwaukee Bucks coach Scott Skiles, according to NBA coaching sources.It has been suggested in coaching circles that D’Antoni could be too expensive for Chicago, especially if the Bulls are also required to provide Phoenix with some form of compensation for letting him out of his contract.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2008 12:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
espn one that's been linked about five times already.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh.
withdrawn. It was worth it to bring back the link pictures though.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all depends upon the terms of Skiles contract
with the Bulls, I imagine.
There is no principle of law which holds that obligations under a contract are automatically suspended if one of the parties enters into a separate, similar contract. Unless the Skiles-Bulls contract explicitly states that the Bulls’ payment obligations are offset by the salary of any new head coaching job that Skiles acquires, the Bulls would be beholded to Skiles for the full amount of the contract.
That being said, I would be surprised if the Skiles-Bulls contract didn’t have that sort of offset provision.
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by 1958ChiTown on May 6, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking
maybe they don’t have an offset provision because Skiles gave some money back in the final contract payout?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, that could be it, too.
If the Bulls and Skiles reached some sort of compromise on the amount of compensation he was owed at the time he was terminated, it is doubtful that the negotiated settlement figure would be subject to offset for new head coaching jobs.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!
by 1958ChiTown on May 6, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very interesting speculation
That would fit with all these questions about whether Skiles resigned or was fired.
“Offset provision” are the new coaching contract buzzwords. They pop up in every discussion of these fired/for hire coaches on the market.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 6, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'Antoni has a Tyrus man crush
Besides Luol Deng and Ben Gordon, D’Antoni has long been enamored with Tyrus Thomas, whom he wanted to trade up to get in the 2006 draft, a league source said.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-dantonikerr050608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
by NormVanBeer on May 6, 2008 12:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that will help swing the scales in the Bulls favor
Not that the current Knickerbocker roster isn’t frightening enough.
by RogersPark Kris on May 6, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that seals it
I’ve been long-enamored with Tyrus too!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll like this guy!!!!!!!
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it seems that Tyrus would finally get his time
If Mike came to Chicago.
That’s what has me really giddy
by Option27 on May 6, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn that article is loaded
with vitriol for seemingly all the available candidates, basically calling D’Antoni a fraud.
Unfortunately Popovich and Jackson aren’t available, eh?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A "mirage?"
I’m looking forward to seeing the new Phoenix coach turn a team with Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, and a washed-up Shaq into a defensive oriented team. Since everyone says that “defense wins championships,” I’m sure they’ll win the championship next year.
by Big D on May 6, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was horrible, wasn't it?
I don’t know what’s going to happen, of course, but if D’Antoni can “leave” the Bulls with a roster of talent in four years that he’s leaving Phoenix, but have guys all 26/27 or under, I’ll be ecstatic.
A championship in the next three years would be nice, but it ain’t happening. All I really want is to make the players here the best they can absolutely be. They’ll all be hitting their prime in 3-4 years, and if a change is needed then, so be it.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want D'Antoni
but not for the long haul. I just don’t see how his system really lasts, but it’s clear to me it’s effective at developing players and that’s one thing the Bulls need most.
If there was a triangle coach out there I’d want him. I guess Brian Shaw might be it.
A shame all the good coaches are still on work schedules.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's clear that he plays an offense
that players like to play, other than that, I don’t know. The guy seems to have his own baggage, but he’s the best fit right now for the bulls.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 6, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't seen Sports2 post in a while.
He’s usually up on all the contract ramifications. I wonder if part of Paxson’s and now Walsh’s interest in the uber player-friendly D’Antoni might be partly a reflection of all the major players coming on the market next year?
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 6, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm busy moving :|
But the Bulls would need to wait two years, not one year to have any cap room. For that matter, the major players are gonna be available in two years and not next year.
More immediately I think this would signal the Bulls are going to keep Deng and Gordon. It’d be pretty silly to get a marquee coach (whether he is or not, he’s being treated that way it seems) and then not bring back your best players.
by Sports2 on May 8, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the first thing I’d do after a move
is set up my computer and check BlogaBull. Nice to see ya.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 9, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recall reading any of Wojnarowski
before, but what’s his deal? This reads like anti-Sports-Guy-article propaganda. So it’s D’Antoni’s fault Kerr had to include two draft picks w/ the Kurt Thomas contract dump because he extended Diaw and signed Marcus Banks? In a GM role that he never wanted, that was open because the owner alienated the previous year’s exec of the year. (Sarver wouldn’t extend Kid Colangelo, “not in my companies. From the tellers on up.”) I’ll buy it’s D’A’s fault he benched his MLE signing, but not that Sarver (and Kerr, a part-owner/advisor, Sarver’s college classmate) is free of culpability. Sarver had wanted Kerr as GM then, but he was reluctant: His TV gig and his kids.
One thing I will believe: Kerr has enough class to give Paxson the truth about D’Antoni, when called upon.
Joakim Noah for player/coach!
by marionette on May 6, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In case it hasn't been posted here yet
The link to the Sports Guy article.
Joakim Noah for player/coach!
by marionette on May 6, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the fuck did they even fire Skiles . . .
If they’re unwilling to pay good money for a replacement? Were they just planning on hiring some random assistant who would work cheap? If so, they might as well have just kept Skiles. This is the most profitable franchise in the league, so if they fuck this up simply because of money, then this is nothing but a bush-league franchise that deserves to lose.
And it’s really quite simple why D’Antoni would choose the Knicks over the Bulls- money, absolutely no pressure to win for a few years, and after Isiah, D’Antoni will be treated as a savior by the New York media. Oh yes, did I mention money? D’Antoni’s spent the last few years working for a owner that routinely sells his draft picks off to save money (and then complains that the team has no depth and that D’Antoni doesn’t play enough people off the bench), so I wouldn’t blame him for wanting to go to a team that money is no object for.
by Big D on May 6, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are not familiar with the NY media....
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So wait! D'Antoni is coaching on Team USA?
How will that affect what happens this summer w/ teaching all the nitwits on the Bulls roster? Just looking for some random speculation….
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Summer vacation in Bejing!
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah...
that is a good point. Maybe his first practice he’ll emphasize how much worse they all are compared to the TeamUSA squad.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it won't be any worse than Skiles popping his head in the Berto doors to say
“Get better!”
Hopefully a new assistant takes the summer workout reigns from K.C. and Hanley. ‘Luol showed up at 6:36 AM!!! With his own towels!!! Tyrus Thomas doesn’t bring his own towels!!!’
by hscs on May 6, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I figure. Assts. can do it.
The difference, though, is that a lot of guys knew the offense with Skiles and really did just need to “get better” on their individual skills. Not that Skiles handled it the right way, but it isn’t as hands-on as going from a defensively-minded team to an offensively-minded one. With a different offense, too. There’s a LOT more that needs to be learned.
D’Antoni won’t opt out of coaching Team USA, of course, but it’s different circumstances from what he was planning on with his veteran team in Phoenix. And if Luol and Gordon take too long to re-sign (let alone not re-signing), we’re definitely looking at an unfun start to next season.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't take any more unfun
That was this past season. If that’s next season too then I may have to start liking Hockey.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is hockey popular in Chicago again?
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Blackhawks look promising
Watching the Hawks at the UC is still a damn good night on the town. Since I’ve never really liked or followed Hockey I can’t go there. The best I can do is play NHL ‘94 religiously.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet Moses.
NHL 94 was the most addictive sports video game of all time.
Open keg of beer, take the Blackhawks, control Jeremy Roenick, master the patented juke move, score thirty goals in one minute of play.
Final Score: Blackhawks 54 Senators 35 Keg Empty
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by 1958ChiTown on May 6, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have to agree
that may have been the apex of the sports video game genre.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 6, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gosh. I didn't say it wouldn't improve.
Obviously, I don’t know how it will come out, but it certainly looks like it might start off rough. Seeing as the Bulls usually do anyway.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vescey jumps in
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8109838/D‘Antoni’s-going-to-have-plenty-of-options
If you and your wife are having irreconcilable differences and she gives her consent (which you originally requested) to talk to other women, you don’t seriously think the relationship has a chance to survive merely because you couldn’t get any play elsewhere?
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Alec's writing for Fox Sports?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad
they were just farming a NYPost article. change my lame joke appropriately.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just thought I would ask my favorite man on ESPN.com what he thought
Chris (LA): John, how do you think D’Antoni would fit in Chicago? They’ve preached defense for years and all of a sudden they just shift to offense?
John Hollinger: (3:39 PM ET ) I think he might be a great fit. Chicago has been more up-tempo than people realize and I think he'd get a lot more out of the young bigs than Skiles/Boylan did.
John Hollinger: (3:39 PM ET ) Plus, he has a great track record with white 6-3 point guards. Had to get that in there before somebody else did ...
by Option27 on May 6, 2008 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You annoyed with this foul formatting
Cuz i know i am, What comes after Chicago has been mo…..
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 6, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
use the
little scroll bar under the comment and you’ll see all the answers.
Blogabull... So Fresh and so Clean Clean!
by Goostafer on May 6, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not there for me
.... no scroll bar….any other ideas?
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 6, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What browser you using?
Also, you could email the tech overlords
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont laught but..
I.E.7
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 6, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could it have something to do with a Java applett.
My computer has problems with java applications…some play and others dont, and i cant upgrade it due to some error that im too lazy to figure out. Its really minor but at times is annoying.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 6, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WSCR just reported (first hand or not)
that the Knicks have offered D’Antoni 5/$30m
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No surprise
It was only a matter of time. I’m surprised they didn’t offer more
And you know it for a fact that everybody's eating out of your hands
by chibullsareback on May 6, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i smell
the patented Paxson whiff coming on.
by NormVanBeer on May 6, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just like I said:
A source in Chicago said that late last week Paxson was torn. On the one hand, he wanted to keep his core of young players together and felt a change in coaching philosophy might turn the team around. On the other hand, the thought of bringing in a coach who wouldn’t emphasize defense and discipline bothered Paxson.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=Bulls-080506
by NormVanBeer on May 6, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, at least we know it bothers Paxson
and not (or not just) Reinsdorf.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Paxson does whiff
on D’Antoni, it’s gonna be real hard to regain any off season momentum.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 6, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
::stares at screen with mouth agape::
what the hell is offseason momentum?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The D'Antoni possibilities
Maybe you weren’t excited.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 6, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think (or hope) Alec was referring to his own heart rate and interest in the team.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on May 6, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm alone
in my enthusiasm for D’Antoni coaching the Bulls.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 6, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, I'm with you. Not that it means jack shit, but hey!
I will be supremely letdown if Pax doesn’t make this happen.
by Illini15 on May 6, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you aren't alone
I go to school in Phoenix and rooted against the Suns on the whim that they might fire D’Antoni. I dealt with so much crap the last two weeks over this. I didn’t care. I e-mailed long e-mails to a certain Chicago sports reporter who then started a small correspondence with me about it, and he told me not to get my hopes up. I’ve had Mike D’Antoni on the brain way too much the past couple of weeks. I’ve just come to accept it because I kinda saw it coming. And now I’m gonna have to deal with crap from friends that are Suns fans who knew why I was rooting for the Spurs. So you are not alone.
And you know it for a fact that everybody's eating out of your hands
by chibullsareback on May 6, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
I just turned on KTAR, and Calvisi reported the same thing
And you know it for a fact that everybody's eating out of your hands
by chibullsareback on May 6, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was the reporter, Anna Davlantes?
Your hush-hush tone make it seem like it was some burning hot issue, Jeez…
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on May 6, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe Sid Hudgens?
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0003042/
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 6, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
forget it
If you had a source who gave you enough info to infer something Friday morning that no one was even thinking about until four days later would you give it up either? Maybe I’ll get it again, maybe I won’t. I’m sure as hell no journalist, but I know that if you wanna keep getting stuff you don’t go blabbing. You think I’m that smart to call that D’Antoni goes to the KNICKS? I wish I could say as much
And you know it for a fact that everybody's eating out of your hands
by chibullsareback on May 6, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just noticed
your sig is from an Arcitc Monkeys song (Still Take You Home).
I am like your Dan Aykroyd and biglow would be Jane, the ignorant slut. -Chad
by thecoolest on May 6, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea they are awesome
I was listening to that song when I was updating my profile this afternoon
And you know it for a fact that everybody's eating out of your hands
by chibullsareback on May 7, 2008 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh
at the same time the Knicks press spokespeople won’t confirm that Walsh is even traveling to Phoenix or Houston.
by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you believe me now NBA observer?
You doubted me the other day when I said that the Knicks were gonna outbid the Bulls for D’Antoni. I know nothing is final but this is depressing.
And you know it for a fact that everybody's eating out of your hands
by chibullsareback on May 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't jump off the cliff just yet
that SCR report could be a D’Antoni leak to drive his price up
or a Knicks leak to drive the Bulls price up
by Orlando Woolridge on May 6, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
watching all the thrashing that is going on here
is almost as entertaining as the games are.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 6, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you sound pretty upbeat.
that you’re ‘right’.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
I have to take solace in something. Who doesn’t like being right?
And you know it for a fact that everybody's eating out of your hands
by chibullsareback on May 6, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will vomit if we whiff on D'Antoni because we won't pay him.
Once Pax has his guy, then he better fucking pay him. And it better be D’Antoni.
by Illini15 on May 6, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here you go:
Donnie Walsh met with Avery Johnson for several hours today in Houston, one day after the Knicks president interviewed Suns head coach Mike D’Antoni.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2008/05/walsh-meets-with-avery-in-hous.html
by NormVanBeer on May 6, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
Oh yes. I know it’s widely reported about Walsh’s travels. I need to use these URL tools more often.
This is what I was referencing.
Knicks spokesperson Jonathan Supranowitz said he could not confirm either of the team’s meetings with Johnson or D’Antoni.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't WSCR...
the same station who “had a source” that the Kobe trade was a done deal?
Step 1 - Hire a coach. Step 2 - ... Step 3 - Win.
by Lt.Dan on May 6, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure if they ever said done
but a couple of their hosts insisted that it was closer than what consensus had since indicated.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
playing D under d'antoni
the only justification i see as far as getting d’antoni in here w/o sacrificing the defensive philosophies is a comparison to the pistons. larry brown taught them to play good defense, and that won them a championship. i’m NOT saying these bulls are the pistons, but we’ve seen this team play good D. Skiles taught them to play hard on D. these guys know what it takes to put in the effort on that end of the floor. d’antoni is needed to solidify the offense, which looked disjointed last season. Flip Saunders is no defensive mastermind, but he doesn’t need to be. the pistons know how to play good, hard D when they need to. i’m hoping hiring d’antoni will have the same effect.
by BULLieving in Miami on May 6, 2008 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great point
And we know how much Paxson respects and has modeled his team building after Dumars and the Pistons.
I’m most excited by the prospect of bringing in a coach who seems to be able to develop young talent, give them the confidence and freedom they need without sacrificing winning or the goal of winning. I have to give it to Paxson if this goes through. Should this come to fruition, Paxson has shown that he is not a one-track mind GM and that he isn’t married to his philosophy. I assume D’Antoni praised Paxson’s roster as we all know of Phoenix’s previous interest in some of the Bulls players. And that’s what I think sold Paxson – D’Antoni’s philosophy on how to maximize that roster and his eagerness to work with those players.
I’d still like to see Hinrich and Noce gone, though, but worse things could happen if these guys are still on the team and we get to see how they look under D’Antoni. I’d still prefer a true PG like DJ Augustine, though.
by messwiththebull on May 6, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many championships have the pistons won since LB left?
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 6, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
None
but that’s also how many they’ve had since Ben Wallace left. What did LB do after he left?
Age, indifference, 2006 being the Heat’s year, bad matchups with LeBron, and yes, Flip Saunders, contributed just as much if not more. I’d still rather take my chances with D’Antoni. At the very least, we should expect that his style of play will help increase the trade value of our core and young assets.
by messwiththebull on May 6, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On SportsCenter right now . . .
They said D’Antoni is “close” to being named Bulls coach.
by Big D on May 6, 2008 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blue balls. I'm hoping this is a done deal tonight.
by Illini15 on May 6, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fear poor Illini15 is temporarily indisposed
until he can resolve his worsening case of vasocongestivitis.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd think Reinsdorf
would pay just about any price right about now to get the Sox off the front page.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 6, 2008 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
somehow I doubt that's worth millions
plus in this town it’d only last a day before back to baseball.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure about that
I’ve talked to some other parents of middle school age kids (sorry ahead of time…I know you hate it when I bring this stuff up) and they are thourougly disgusted by the news coming out of the White Sox.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 6, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand the disgust
Since baseball is already tarnished as hell considering half the league probably cheats, and it’s greatest player is treated as a pariah. This prank, of all things, causes problems. It will be forgotten in a week as the Sox languish in mediocrity.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 7, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see...
ramming a baseball bat into a blow-up sex doll. Gee, I dunno what parents of middle school age kids could find objectionable about that!
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the latest
D’Antoni has met with the Knicks and Bulls and is waiting for either club to offer him its coaching job, which could happen in the next 48 hours, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.Despite reports to the contrary, neither the Knicks nor the Bulls have made D’Antoni a formal offer, the person familiar with the discussions said. And counter to widespread belief, the person said, D’Antoni hasn’t ruled out the Knicks despite the better short-term prospects presented by the Bulls’ roster.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spknix0507,0,1616859.story
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just like I said above, “the signals suggest that” everything is pointing to a Bulls/Paxson whiff on this one. What’s the deal with all of the going back and forth? If they want him, go get him.
by NormVanBeer on May 6, 2008 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. This indecisiveness needs to go. If Paxson whiffs on this, I'm giving up all hope.
by Illini15 on May 6, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'Antoni isn't Phil Jackson
there’s no need to break the bank for him. Even if the bulls do sign him, it isn’t a perfect match.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 7, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not just bank
but possibly other compensation like picks. I’m with you that it’s not a no-brainer to just fork over whatever it took to get him. However if the Bulls indeed want him it’d be silly to let him go for a couple million, there’s no cap/tax for coaching, and the Bulls have cash.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would we have to send picks to Phoenix?
If we make a contract offer to D’Antoni he can just quit his Phoenix gig and take our offer.
Is there more to D’Antoni’s contract that would prohibit him from just walking away from the Suns?
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it goes back
to the whole SVG and orlando deal i guess. orlando had to give miami a pick to let him out of the contract.
but i heard they’re not asking for anything anyways, so the point is moot.
by Jaina on May 7, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but Miami wasn't pushing van Gundy out the door, were they?
He was in a different capacity for the Heat for two years. I’m sure they were willing to let him spend another year (if I remember how long the contract was) there.
by tyger1147 on May 7, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Phoenix could pretend
they want D’Antoni around.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Bulls say, "Fine. Fire him"
by tyger1147 on May 7, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading it the correct way....
...that’s why I say it’s not likely. And why no pick-exchanging is likely. It would involve a game of chicken between Paxson and Kerr.
by tyger1147 on May 7, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this whole thing is quite the dance.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
That’s exactly what it is-like some sort of mating ritual-it’s got to happen before the deal gets sealed. And we’re getting an up-close view, like Jacque Cousteau or Wild Kingdom.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phoenix isn't exactly pushing D'Antoni out the door either
At least publicly, they are making it seem they’d rather he stay. I think SVG had a non-compete clause and that was why Orlando had to provide compensation.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 7, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
I listened to a Dan Patrick podcast with Reggie Miller yesterday and Dan put it rather well. You don’t give your head coach permission to speak to other teams unless you want to alleviate your team from the rest of his contract. The Suns are doing everything they can to avoid telling D’Antoni to quit, but it’s loud and clear that they want him gone.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How could Phoenix get anything?
If D’Antoni quits, aren’t they free of a relationship? I guess I could selling them picks, as in, they’ll pick up part of the $8.5 if the Bulls give them picks—but that’d go against the M.O. of Phoenix the past few years.
by tyger1147 on May 7, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In addition...
...the opposite could be true, too. I don’t know about “more likely”, but maybe. If D’Antoni likes the Bulls offer short of $4 or 5 million, and he convinces Phoenix he doesn’t want to go to NYC, he and the Bulls can say, “Either pay the $3 or $4 million he wants, give us a pick, or be stuck with him.”
Not likely, but who knows?
by tyger1147 on May 7, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they have cash.
From having either best or second best attendance a few years running, if I remember correctly?
For all those paying fans, now shouldn’t be the time to skimp.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on May 7, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignore my link below. Same story, different headline.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 6, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relax, it's only been 2 days since D'Antoni was even allowed to speak with other teams.
According to what you quoted, the Knicks haven’t even made an offer yet. I’d be shocked to hear D’Antoni take the Knicks job without even hearing the Bulls offer first. We’re talking about an eight figure contract. Even well known free spender Mark Cuban is taking his time to sign Rick Carlisle.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 7, 2008 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dallas situation is different
Cuban isn’t telling the media that the financial terms may “complicate” things and could kill the deal. Most likely, they’re simply taking time working out all of the underlying details.
The Bulls on the other hand, they want to pose and posture, but then they play the “we’re not sure if we have enough money” game. Didn’t they know how much they were on the hook with Skiles for and didn’t they know the neighborhood of the figure that D’Antoni would be requesting BEFORE they spoke to him? I would say yes.
I know that it can take time to sign someone. But don’t jump in the pool and then after 5 minutes say that it’s too cold.
by NormVanBeer on May 7, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there have been no direct quotes from Paxson or anyone else with the Bulls
indicating that financial considerations are holding them back. The reporters keep referring to unnamed sources who may or may not actually be in the know. I know it’s easy to simply trash a sports organization as being cheap. That doesn’t mean it’s true. There have been plenty of times this organization has spent money. Hell, the news about forgoing Skiles’s offset is an indication that they aren’t cheap. If financial considerations were going to be an issue, I doubt Paxson would have even taken the time to go to Phoenix. They know what D’Antoni’s current contract is and that he’d expect at least similar terms for his next contract. My totally uninformed guess is that if financial considerations are screwing this up, it’s because Sarver wants something in return.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 7, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
reports
are that the Suns are not asking for additional compensation. Also, it was being reported all day yesterday that financial matters may complicate or kill the deal. So are you really waiting for Paxson to come out and say “we really want D’Antoni but we’re not sure if we can afford him”? You’ll be waiting a long time for that quote.
Also, you just said the same thing that I said previously. The Bulls already knew or expected what D’Antoni’s current contract and/or asking price would be. So why act surprised now?
by NormVanBeer on May 7, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is acting surprised?
You keep asserting that the Bulls are acting cheap and surprised. Who has indicated the Bulls were surprised by anything? There have only been the vague references have been to “financial considerations.” It’s not like they were reported to have quickly packed their bags and fled Phoenix. Again, this is all happening very quickly and we shouldn’t expect immediate resolution. There were no serious indications (beyond speculation in the press) D’Antoni might be available until last Friday. D’Antoni wasn’t made available to talk until Sunday.
What I’m waiting for is the issue to be resolved before I try to guess how the Bulls approached it. No, Paxson doesn’t have to explicitly say the Bulls were unwilling to meet D’Antoni’s demands. If he doesn’t get D’Antoni, I’m sure he’ll have other quotes from which we can try to read between the lines. Let’s at least wait for Paxson to walk away from Phoenix empty handed before we jump to conclusions as to why and then you can cry cheap.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 7, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
I find it to be mostly the innate Bulls fan’s desire to rag on Reinsdorf that’s driving most of this anxiety.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
it’s my desire to rag on Paxson that is driving my anxiety
by NormVanBeer on May 7, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get where you’re coming from.
After Paxson utterly failed to see the correct path in the Gasol non-deal, I think it’s perfectly rational to fear he will also blow this deal.
It doesn’t have to be about money. It can simply be about Paxson’s inability to properly negotiate.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paxson has still done more good than bad in his tenure
I think he’s done enough to still warrant the benefit of our doubt. Even if you don’t think he’s worthy of his job, at least wait for him to screw this up before calling him out on it. It’s not like he hasn’t succeeded in other negotiating situations.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 7, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
logic is failing
step 1. Kerr gives D’Antoni permission to talk to other teams
step 2. He expresses a desire to talk to the Bulls
step 3. The Bulls express a desire to talk to him
step 4. They meet and express an open desire to work with each other
step 5. It is made public knowledge that the Bulls want him as their coach
step 6. Phoenix makes public knowledge that they will not ask for compensation in return
step 7. Talks are stalling and the Bulls balk because they are unsure they want to pay him
Keep in mind, all the while, Chicago full well knows its situation with owing Skiles money and D’Antoni’s current contract. In other words, step 7 should NOT have happened. The balking part should have happened after step 4 if it was going to happen. But since they got all the way thru to the next steps, it makes no sense to balk NOW. If anything, the last step should be revised to say: “talks are on-going, minor details in the contract are being worked out…”
What in that process do you not get to help you understand where we’re coming from?
by NormVanBeer on May 7, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The latest coming out of Arizona
seems to support this view.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/05/07/20080507suns0507.html
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope
the bulls come through. other thing is i keep reading that jackson is still the front runner for the knicks despite reports that d’antoni’s been offered this or that. or that johnson would be a better fit for them. so i hope that’s true so we can eliminate them as competition… :P
by Jaina on May 7, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the subject of eliminating the competition
Billy Knight just resigned as Gm of Atlanta. On the surface, this seems to strengthen Woodson’s position as coach, which would tend to diminish their threat level as another potential D’Antoni bidder.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there's a franchis in the NBA you can be assured wouldn't spend money
on D’Antoni, it’s the Hawks. I doubt their ownership would be able to come together to agree on such an expenditure.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 7, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's always Toronto
Although they’d have to do some pretty-fancy maneuvering, namely ‘allowing’ Sam Mitchell to get hired somewhere (Knicks?) first.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much do the Knicks really want Sam Mitchell?
Would you want him coaching the Bulls? My answer is , “no.”
Also, I would think the Kniicks and Mitchell would already have to have a deal in place to get Toronto in ahead of the timeline for D’Antoni and the Bulls.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NBAO would disagree
as the colangelos have never made a bad move in their careers.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Rafael Aruajo
was a travesty.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Johnson
also recently voiced confidence in Woodson.
Joe Johnson, the Hawks lone all-star, wants to see Woodson and his staff remain in place.
“He’s done a great job this season,” Johnson said. “I’d love for him and the coaching staff to come back. Hopefully we can really, really make that happen.”
Johnson attributes the Hawks playoff season and success against the Celtics to Woodson and his staff.
Also, Joe Johnson requested that the Suns not match the Hawks contract offer. D’Antoni was the Suns GM and head coach at that time.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bryan Colangelo, not Mike D'Antoni
was the GM then. Sarver was front and center three summers ago, when JJ made that request.
The year before, as a new owner, Sarver reportedly refused Colangelo’s advice to add the $5M “respect money” requested by JJ’s agent in his extention negotiations. “Have a great year next year Joe, and you’ll earn yourself that and more”, he claims he said.
Slighted, JJ had his breakout year, got his face broken in the playoffs by Stackhouse, and refused to play for Phoenix or Sarver for any amount.
Sarver refused to extend (ExecOTY) Colangelo to a reasonable deal during the ensuing season. Eventually, his contract term nearing it’s end, Bryan asked for permission to talk w/ teams, receiving a better deal from TOR.
D’Antoni was officially made Coach/GM summer ‘06 (IIRC) and given a slight boost for wearing two hats. I assume that pay is still there, playing a part in his current compensation expectations.
He signed Boris Diaw (MIPOY) to an extension. Terms were nearly or exactly that of Joe Johnson’s original request.
Sorry for the long correction, but this story really gets my goat.
Joakim Noah for player/coach!
by marionette on May 7, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was not aware
of the previous negotiations between the Suns and Johnson prior to his entering his final contract year.
Thanks.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN Thorpe speak...
Asked him about D’Antoni…
Dan (Chicago): Ok, Ok, I know. Playoffs…but I want to know if you’ve heard anything new on the D’Antoni situation. Any news?
SportsNation David Thorpe: (12:04 PM ET ) It seems like Marc Stein has it cold…it’s Chicago if they’ll pony up and pay the man. Otherwise…”these little town blues…”
And someone else asked…
City of Chicago: Let’s play a little If and Then…. If D’Antoni heads to chicago…Then Kirk Hinrich will be traded. Correct?
SportsNation David Thorpe: (12:05 PM ET ) No. I think they’ll first try to rehab him. And I’d like their chances.
Step 1 - Hire a coach. Step 2 - ... Step 3 - Win.
by Lt.Dan on May 7, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thorpe's cool with Hinrich
That’s reassuring. Still not sure why Hinrich gets so much heat. He had a terrible year along with everyone else on the team. I guess it’s the contract.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you're not sure there's plenty
of places here to read about it.
The synopsis of my opinion is while you’re right that everyone had bad years, Hinrich’s was worst, he’s among the oldest, and among the best-paid.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite line...
“D’Antoni’s style and system are a peculiar fit for a trio such as Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph and Stephon Marbury, who will make $46.3 million combined next season.”
What? Really?
Step 1 - Hire a coach. Step 2 - ... Step 3 - Win.
by Lt.Dan on May 7, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Hard to believe, but this is the Knicks. Except for Marbury, Zbo and Curry are Isiah acquisitions.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's only because
the are scorers and play no D. I’m only guessing that is.
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by Goostafer on May 7, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't know how much money D'Antoni is asking for
and really the Bulls should frame their view of a suitable contract independent of D’Antoni’s deal with the Suns.
If it turned out (if unlikely) that D’Antoni is fired and gets all his money, does that mean the Bulls would then feel they wouldn’t have to offer as much? That’s unfair to D’Antoni.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfair? Maybe.
But it’s business. And if he’s still getting the same amount of money overall, he shouldn’t feel slighted. I mean, I understand that if you’re willing to pay $X million for him, you should be willing to $X million to him.
Still, all they’re really saying is he’s worth a certain amount. If someone else is willing to pay it, that’s better for them.
by tyger1147 on May 7, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should've said 'insulting'
because he should feel slighted.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because what does one thing have to do with the other?
It’s his money coming from Phoenix. He ‘earned’ it. The Bulls should pay him what they think he’s worth regardless of it. Does Larry Brown ask for less money because he’s already rich?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean?
Is Skiles insulted that the Bucks only offered what they did? If the Bucks were willing to pay $5 mill that it took the Bulls to fire him, shouldn’t they still be willing to pay that? (Obviously, we’re not sure they didn’t.)
Besides, how are they NOT related? Isn’t the whole reason this is even a dance is because they’re related??? If he were free and clear of Phoenix, this wouldn’t be an issue.
Doesn’t this whole thing come down to the $8.5 mil he’s owed? If the Bulls thought he was a $4 million/yr coach for four years, they might think it’s “worth it” to bump it up to $22 mill or whatever to get him away from Phoenix. But if Phoenix is going to pay him $8.5 mill to fire him, why shouldn’t the Bulls offer him $16 mil? It’d be idiotic and retarded business to offer him $22 in that case.
by tyger1147 on May 7, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skiles got a pretty good offer
regardless, and I didn’t read anything that mentioned that it had something to do with what he was owed.
If the Bulls pulled what you suggested, I wouldn’t hold it against D’Antoni to tell them to screw off. Pay him what you think he’s worth. Don’t calculate his overall income to what you think he’s worth.
‘The whole thing comes to what he’s owed’ is from the Phoenix side.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'Antoni will only tell them...
...to screw off he gets offered more money. If there’s a better offer out there, obviously the Bulls would have to offer more money. That’s a different (although obviously related) situation.
They should pay him what it takes to get him, up to whatever they thinks he’s worth as a coach. In your scenario, he’s fired. He can go where he wants. If both the Bulls and the Knicks previously offered $22.5 (for argument’s sake) before he was fired. Then after he gets fired, the Knicks keep the same offer, but the Bulls drop it by $8.5, he won’t be signing w/ the Knicks because of not getting RESPEK from the Bulls.
by tyger1147 on May 7, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping that D'Antoni
realizes that it’s either money or happiness. Anyone would be happier coaching the Bulls’ current roster than the Knicks’.
The Bulls may be in a position to sweeten their offer a bit, but they also may rely upon the fact that it’s a better fit.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on May 7, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all due deference to snley
this is exactly why this is interesting.
We’ve all had the experience of having to negotiate pay, salary, commissions-as Matt said, it’s one of the big dances of life-and we get to see it happening on a big public stage for millions of dollars.
I, for one, think it’s fascinating.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But this is in regards to D'Antoni, which now has direct impact on the Bulls
not Skiles, with whom the dance is completed
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 7, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you remember Paxson the player?
He negotiated his deals with Reinsdorf without an agent. Then he hired Jordan’s agent David Falk to negotiate his last contract. Crumbs wasn’t pleased.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy s*... really?
I honestly did not know that…
I remember the press making kind of a big deal when some player in the late 90’s (Ray Allen maybe?) hired a law firm hourly instead of a commission-paid agent, and that was kind of a big deal. But I didn’t know that players in the 80’s, much less Paxson, did all the negotiating themselves.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on May 7, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but what if the pool is too cold?
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE
by CONOR6 on May 7, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
point being, if it was too cold, wouldn’t you know as soon as you got in? Not after 5 minutes…
The Bulls knew this could probably be expensive going in (if they didn’t then their more dumb than we all realized)...why wait to do a song and dance and THEN say it’s too expensive?
by NormVanBeer on May 7, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you have any idea what he is asking for?
D’Antoni may have postured to get the opportunity to talk to other teams, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he is absolutely dead set on getting out. In fact, I’d be a little worried if was willing to just turn his back on the last four years and the guys he coached. D’Antoni might leave for much greener pastures, but if it’s 9 mil for two years with the guys he knows and an increased emphasis on defense versus 9-10 mil for two years with new guys who have to learn the system and an increased emphasis on defense, maybe you ride it out in the sunshine with the decreased expectations… I don’t see what D’Antoni has done to earn a big raise. He still hasn’t beaten the Spurs, which is on him to a large degree.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 7, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who said he should get a big raise?
I don’t think (and have never said) that they should break the bank for him…I don’t think you do that for someone who’s never won a championship. In any event, Pax & Co jumped out of the gate with the whole signage of “this is our man!”...but now they seem to be backing off. I’m not saying that they aren’t allowed to mull it over and think on it, but this whole let’s put our toe in the water and take it back out again scenario has been played out one too many times. That’s the part that’s frustrating me.
by NormVanBeer on May 7, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did they mean to?
This is why Pax is so jumpy when it comes to that darned ‘misinformation’.
I often say that Pax shouldn’t worry about the rumors, so it’s fair that I wouldn’t criticize them for anything ‘getting out’. It happens.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when did Pax say
this is our man?
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 7, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he said it to the Observer...
;-)
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can do better than that
A good roast never hurt anybody. Except ESPN’s Dana Jacobsen.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
that was a terrible roast.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 7, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just take it to mean you're known and loved.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
meaning
they did it by their actions. Flying out to D’Antoni and giving him TWO interviews surely indicates SOMETHING.
by NormVanBeer on May 7, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
You don’t have to say “this is my guy”, but flying to Phoenix for two interviews in two days speaks for itself.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't consider it more of an indication
than interviewing any of the other candidates. A second interview means he’s the leader in the clubhouse, but that doesn’t mean that once a second interview is granted it means he’s the only possible option anymore.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because they knew it was going to be expensive
doesn’t mean that they knew (or have even yet determined) it would necessarily be too expensive. They may have simply been testing the waters. Still, it’s not done. The Bulls are still in the running for D’Antoni yet you have kept posting comments like they’ve walked away. Seriously, give them a chance to blow it first.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 7, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a tip
don’t expect any rational responses, like waiting for the whole thing to play out, before people start ripping management/players/etc. Batshit crazy is how it works on BaB… :-)
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 7, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, shold be used to it by now, but it's really annoying me with this situation
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 7, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys kill me
just because someone differs in opinion, we’re irrational now?
by NormVanBeer on May 7, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a difference of opinion
It’s that you are jumping to conclusions before the process is finished. If you seemed to be just speculating that the Bulls would blow it, I could probably live with it. Your interpretation seems to be that it’s already over with and D’Antoni definitely won’t be signed.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 7, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, that's YOUR interpretation of what I've been saying
it is merely a difference in opinion. in some of my other posts in this thread, I’ve said that this “smells” like a Paxson whiff or that the “signs suggest” so. I’ve never once said that all is done and over with. In fact, I absolutely hope that it’s not. You’re the one interpreting my posts as such.
by NormVanBeer on May 7, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're not basing that opinion
on anything but your other opinions…..
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 7, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm basing it
on things that I’ve seen before…facts
by NormVanBeer on May 7, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
just your interpretation, but that works for everybody else, so don’t let me stop you…
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 7, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're so right
i will never disagree with you again…that IS what you wanted to hear right?
by NormVanBeer on May 7, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
more like “I wish I knew what the two sides were negotiating from a salary perspective.” You know, something that demonstrates more than a third grade level of comprehension…
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 7, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
i knew the insults and name-calling would start sometime soon. You’re right on cue. It would be advisable to stop getting your feelings hurt so much when someone disagrees with you….I think that’s Posting On A Message Board, rule #9.
by NormVanBeer on May 7, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my feelings weren't hurt
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 7, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does this page take like a minute to load for anyone else?
really annoying
by Orlando Woolridge on May 6, 2008 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sbnation might be having problems right now
My logs are showing they’re feeding data from multiple servers. Seems like one may be taking a dump while they redirect traffic to other servers.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It takes forever to load and hard to move up and down
by chgobr on May 7, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can fix it 100% in the options.
I went from 1+ min pg loads to 7 secs.
by tyger1147 on May 7, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you fix it?
Please let me know, because this is incredibly annoying.
by Big D on May 7, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knicks could offer job to D'Antoni shortly
That’s the midnight headline from Newsday, as picked up by AZCentral.com.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/05/07/20080507knicksON.html
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 6, 2008 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
skiles got paid 5 million
According to this article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3384874
Skiles was paid 5 million of the remainin 6 million left on his contract guaranteed. I dont know what kind of contract they drew up, but it sure doesnt look like a smart one. I guess it really was a christmas gift when they fired him.
by Sambossanova on May 7, 2008 2:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What was wrong with the contract?
The Skiles contract was typical of an NBA head coaching contract.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read the article again
The contract had an offset clause that the Bulls agreed to waive in return for Skiles agreeing to have $1 mil cut from the contract.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 7, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe what we can say about Skiles leaving the Bulls
was that it was 16.6% Skiles quitting and 83.3% Skiles getting fired…with a little margin left over for repeating decimals.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really are a stats guy...
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m trying to get the hang of it.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
works for me
Keith Glass doesn’t know any other way to describe the Skiles situation other than he was fired. I think “Scott Skiles quit and got his money” is pretty good way to put it.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, does it even matter?
Skiles has moved on to his next job and the Bulls are working to acquire his replacement. Skiles is getting $5 mil from the Bulls. Let’s move on.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 7, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only part of it that's still interesting
isn’t when Skiles was officially fired and/or quit, but when he implicitly quit on the roster.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
KC sez slightly different figures:
As previously reported by the Tribune, Skiles negotiated to remove the offset in his original contract in exchange for giving back roughly $2 million of the guaranteed $7 million the Bulls owed when they fired him.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'Antoni can't talk to Toronto?
Two league sources have confirmed that when the Suns agreed to give D’Antoni permission to talk to other clubs, the Bulls and the Knicks in particular, there was one condition: they would not grant permission to D’Antoni to talk with the Raptors.The suggestion was that the Toronto ban was initiated by the Suns and reflective of the desire of Suns owner Robert Sarver to not be seen to doing any favours for current Raptors president and former Suns general manager Bryan Colangelo. There is no indication the Raptors were seeking permission to talk with Phoenix.
this kinda goes along with what Matt & Tyger were talking about above
by NormVanBeer on May 7, 2008 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess that's why McCallum was so sour on it from the get-go
I figured a reunion with Colangelo and a cloned version of his offense would have been too great for him to pass up. Good news for us, but that Sarver does not sound like a chummy dude.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 7, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the Suns
Perhaps they were waiting for Bryan Colangelo to commit the Raptors to Sam Mitchell before they proceeded with this public auction for Mike D’Antoni.
Although, Byran Colangelo wasn’t just a GM in Phoenix. He was also a part owner.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why his departure wasn't very nice
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 7, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't Sarver's group buy
out Jerry and Bryan?
by KT on May 7, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and no
Sarver originally bought 65% of the shares with the other 35% to be acquired in 3 years time. Bryan Colangelo may have owned some shares prior to Sarver joining the ownership group, but this report says Bryan was part of the Sarver group.
Sarver introduced two new members of his ownership group: Bryan Colangelo, the club’s current president and general manager and the son of Jerry; and Steve Kerr, the former star guard in college for Arizona, whose roster of NBA teams would come to include the Suns, the Chicago Bulls and San Antonio Spurs.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good! Toronto was the worst fear
for those of us who want D’Antoni to land in Chicago.
The Knicks are just a train wreck—a train wreck with money spilling all around, but still a train wreck. So if he went there for a payday then who cares, screw him, ya win some ya lose some.
But if he went to Toronto then I’d be really pissed.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on May 7, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was only worried after the Raptors lost
But, they retained Mitchell fairly quickly, so it wasn’t too big of a deal. The main concern for us is this whole finanical bouillabaisse.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 7, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thorpe just took my question re: T2
rooster (oakland, ca): Mr. Thorpe: How much time will you be spending with Tyrus Thomas this summer? Any answer except for “lots” is unacceptable.
SportsNation David Thorpe: (12:36 PM ET ) I think TT should spend most of his time with his new coaching staff. But for a few weeks here and there, we’ll be honored to work with him. My staff is chomping at the bit to work with a talent like him. And he’s so much nicer and coachable than people realize.
by Orlando Woolridge on May 7, 2008 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
espn.com reports Phoenix expects to know by Friday
If D’Antoni has found a new home. Link is the same ESPN article that’s being refreshed every 3 hours or so.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 7, 2008 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh no! a timetable!
Pax has taken his ball and gone home :-p
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank God a timetable
This shit better happen sooner than later.
The faster the get a coach, the faster we are able to figure out where all the other little pieces fall.
by Option27 on May 7, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Phoenix isn't looking for compensation anymore?
from the espn article
The Arizona Republic reported on its Web site Tuesday night that the Suns would not seek additional compensation if D’Antoni wants to leave, simply hoping to relieve themselves of the two seasons left on his Suns deal at $4 million and $4.5 million.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 7, 2008 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AKA they just want him gone
Just as many of us have thought all along. Good to see, though.
by Illini15 on May 7, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
They just wanna be freed of his salary.
Kinda like how Skiles screwed us
by Option27 on May 7, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did Skiles screw the Bulls?
The offset clause couldn’t be waived unless the Bulls agreed to do so.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on May 7, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which was pretty dumb, imo
since it seemed everyone was pretty sure he’d get a job for next season.
by Jaina on May 7, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skiles didn't screw us
Skiles and Glass negotiated with Reinsdorf and Paxson a settlement to the coaching contract.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with option27.
There is an element of screwing here.
That’s the whole point of the Skiles Quit/Fire ratio.
When Skiles got tired of the personnel, he suddenly transformed himself from fiery leader into dejected Mr. Mopey, and began whining and complaining about how the players were no longer listening to him. He saw a problem with the roster, and rather than take responsibility for it, he quit on the team.
He disingenuously moped into Paxson’s office and said, with a wink that only he could see, "I’ll take 16.6% of the blame for our underperformance…and if you want to let me go for the good of the team, just guarantee 83.3% of my offset and I won’t bother you anymore."
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that begs the question
what percentage of the blame would you have been more comfortable with him accepting?
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 7, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just going by the latest estimates...
although I did see a 25/75 in an Arizona paper. Y’know, trying to fit in with the statistical guys around here. ;-)
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me it's a seperate context
Skiles didn’t screw anyone by negotiating the buyout of his contract.
But he did screw everyone by behaving like you described. And he was fired for it, but I can still hold on to bitter resentment for the foreseeable future.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it is a separate context.
Skiles totally played the Bulls for patsies. That’s the “element of screwing” I was talking about.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this really gets me too
You pointed out that he
began whining and complaining about how the players were no longer listening to him.
The worst part is that the beat writers didn’t think this was worth sharing until after Skiles was fired, and even then only used it as a way to bash the players.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple thoughts
1. The Bulls must be really stupid. I mean, it was pretty foreseeable Skiles would get another job. So the Bulls got $2M for a 95% chance of having to pay $6M.
2. From what I can tell, Skiles was complaining about the players well before the season started. I have a hard time blaming him for knowing these guys were gonna suck.
by Sports2 on May 8, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1
I agree they should’ve figured as much, but maybe Skiles was in such a woeful mood that they figured he was burnt out from coaching.
2. He should’ve quit preseason then. Or at least given the fans clearer signals so we knew to just sit out the season as well.by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 8, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh, is this the adjusted math?
I like these comments.
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a hunch that Paxson is going to fall in love with
Johnson when the Bulls interview him this week.
Pure speculation, of course.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!
by 1958ChiTown on May 7, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
but that’s just me.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 7, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still banking on
coachless in ‘08. Let those punk players figure it out themselves!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk as player/coach!
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 7, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine the backlash among the players
if Avery is hired? I mean, that will just completely alienate almost the entire roster at this point.
by Illini15 on May 7, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have the Mavs players
tossed Avery Johnson under the bus yet?
It’s commonly known that Avery’s style is that of a hands on general, but what are his players saying about his termination?
by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if they have
but Cuban’s thrown Avery under the bus.
by KT on May 7, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"staggering offer"
yikes….
they were slobbering all over Mark Jackson just a few days ago.
by Orlando Woolridge on May 7, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i still
keep hearing that jackson is the frontrunner.
not to mention if d’antoni takes it if it is really 6mil$+ annually… well can’t say i blame the bulls for not matching. i just don’t like the suspicion they won’t even pay him what he was supposed to get in phoenix.
by Jaina on May 8, 2008 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's worth more,
D’Antoni or Hinrich? Even with D’Antoni at $6 million per year, is Hinrich worth 30% more than D’Antoni to the success of the team?
I don’t think so. In fact, I think, in general, coaches are way underpaid in the NBA.
C’mon, Reinsdorf—pony up!
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 10:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
?
huh? what?
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 7, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's your question?
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. What's your question?
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 7, 2008 11:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me answer what I believe to your implication
The average player salary for 2007-08 was $5.2 million. I believe that a coach is worth more than a player at the mid-level exception ($5.36 million last year).
If the Knicks are willing to pay D’Antoni $6 million, does that seem so unreasonable? Not to me.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 8, 2008 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...believe to be your...
Honestly, I’m not drinking.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 8, 2008 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you have a high opinion of D'Antoni
That’s different than saying every coach should get that money because they’re worth more than a mid-tier player.
Although you’re also saying that, which I disagree with.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 8, 2008 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But as you know, you can't compare salaries across positions
Coaches don’t get paid like players, period, and you know it.
I’d have expect something more alnog the lines of “My daughter’s 6th grade teacher is performing a greater service to society than D’Antoni or any of the Bulls players” from you, anyway.
My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!
by wjb1492 on May 8, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Thats exactly what my question mark and “huh what” were trying to say. the logic of comparing d’antoni and how much he makes to what kirk (or any other player) is completely retarded. Its like comparing apples with knives, One is used on the other, but that doesnt mean that a certain percentage of what one costs should somehow correlate to what the other costs. Its boggling why one would consider salaries affecting the success of a team in terms of winning rather then for financial reasons.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 8, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I beg to differ.
A great coach is worth, perhaps not just as much as a great player, but very nearly as much. My guess is that the market begins to reflect this reality more and more.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 8, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
a lot of that is because there’s no salary regulation for coaches.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 8, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs














