Kobe wins MVP
by Khalid El-Amin on May 3, 2008 12:01 AM CDT
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PrintLOS ANGELES (AP)—Kobe Bryant has won the NBA’s MVP award for the first time, the Los Angeles Times reported on its Web site Friday night, citing anonymous sources familiar with the outcome of voting by media members.
The newspaper reported that commissioner David Stern will be in Los Angeles next week to present the trophy to Bryant.
In semi related news... MarketMaker, can I have YOUR house now?
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oh snap
He probably shouldnt have gone so serious with stating all the witnesses and game thread etc as evidence. Although i dont know if he could actually give up his house (you dont know where he lives) so…but he does owe you something…..kobe had to win it, or else it would be a conspiracy, and lebron and cp3 have the next 10 years to try to win it.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
Lebron would never win it
Being in the middle of the pack in the weak east, no matter how bad you team is will never get you mvp. Paul and kobe both led thier teams this year in the west and both were able to secure top seeds. Kobes team even stated kobe picking up his game this year and really helping them excel. It had to go between the two of them, and like i said, cp3 will have time to get his some other time.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
That's a pretty shitty reason to give someone an MVP
Who’s to say CP3 will ever have another season like this? He set a historically high bar to live up to.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
I wouldn't be surprised...
If CP3 has similar numbers for the next 5 years.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 3, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised either way
I’m just saying, there’s no guarantee that he doesn’t regress to the mean and not play to this level again. Or worse, there’s no guarantee that he doesn’t get seriously injured. It’s just a very, very shitty reason to give one player an MVP over another, especially when the one who didn’t win clearly had the better season.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
I didn't know he established a "mean" to regress to.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
I was thinking the exact same thing...
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 3, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
The "mean" is the average NBA's production.
I’m not saying that he’s going to become average, just that he’s likely to be closer to that average than he was this year. Few players develop in straight lines, continually improving from one season to the next until they reach their peak.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Actually...
CP3 has improved in just about every statistical category (except rebounding, but that’s more Chandler and West’s ppresence than anything) for the last three years. There’s really no reason at all to believe that he would regress. If anything I could see him leveling off, but considering he already dominates that level would be pretty high.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 4, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Paul had the highest PER for a point guard
since Magic Johnson’s 86-87 season. It’s very likely he doesn’t play at such a historically excellent level next season. It’s really (probably) only down from here.
That's fair...
Obviously it’s all conjecture as we are debating how he will perform in the future, but if you watch how he played in the first half of the season (which he dominated) and how he took it to another level in the second half (which he played like he was from another planet), I just can’t see how he will regress (barring an injury of course).
Kenny Smith actually had a good point (which I realize is rare). He said that after CP3 played in the all star game he finally realized that not only did he belong but he could play at a high level with the best in the game. Now of course we all know that nobody plays defense in the all star game, but I think there is some truth to a 3rd year player finally realizing they are among the elite in the game. Confidence for a point guard is huge.
Only time will really tell how he progresses, but I still think he’ll play at this level for some time.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 4, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
congrats
You predicted the MVP award would go to someone who didn’t deserve it. Everyone at SLAM is impressed.
Yeah but...
If you read the original thread (that you asked me to back up and repost by the way) I said the exact same thing.
I never thought Kobe deserved to be the MVP.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 5, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
But
does it really matter who ‘deserves’ to win the MVP? It’s the second biggest crock of an award next to Coach of the Year (the media’s ass-covering award). Any metric that suggests that Steve Nash has somehow had a better career than Shaq or that Steve Nash was the best player in the NBA at any point in time is ridiculous. Honestly, it should be given to the best player on the championship team, sort of like the finals MVP, only not an award that Tony Parker could ever win.
People with ballots are just idiotic
Their logic is that of, “Hey MJ has too many MVPs. Let’s give one to Karl Malone because he’s been really good for a long time!” Or, “Steve Nash is so good, but he’s slow and nonathletic. Just like me! ORGASM”
Whoever votes for Finals MVP (is it the fans?) was clearly idiotic last year as well. Tony Parker sure did have a really difficult time scoring 20 points a game while the entire Cavs defense keyed on Duncan and he was guarded by Daniel “I wish I was as good as BJ Armstrong” Gibson.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You almost had me there
How can you give an MVP award solely on the basis that a player happens to be the best player on the best team? MVP should go to the best player, period. Awarding someone because they happen to be lucky enough to have a good collection of teammates is as ridiculous as using the MVP as a lifetime achievement award.
What’s with the Tony Parker bashing? Maybe he’ll never win an NBA MVP, but he’s a legitimate All Star caliber PG who provided production over 4 games worthy enough of winning an MVP Award for players participating in those 4 games.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
what's with the metric talk?
The MVP award has gone to a handful of undeserving players (Kobe, Nash, and Cowens in particular), so why use it to assess someone’s impact? It should go to the player who had the best season, and good basketball metrics can be used to figure that out.
meh,
I guess my overall point was that the MVP award is inherently worthless. It’s completely subjective and there is nothing resembling a universal set of rules governing who could/should be the MVP. It would make sense if it was given to the player with the highest PER or most win shares or some other objective measure. But as currently constituted, it’s just an argument between reporters about who’s the clutchest, who had less ‘help’, who ‘makes their teammates better’, and other similar blather.
Didn't the players used to vote for the award?
I’d rather have them than Jay Mariotti(if he has a ballot) award one of their peers.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 5, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
PER? Well, I should have seen this coming...
Which is why I stopped coming here in the first place.
I whole heartedly agree that Kobe didn’t deserve the MVP, and maybe they should look more closely at how this award is doled out (I guess, but who really cares), but ANY stat that tries to tell me that J.R. Smith, Luke Walton, and Brandon Bass are somehow more efficient (and thus more MVP worthy) than Amare Stoudemire or Deron Williams… Well, I just can’t have that argument here anymore.
Again, I completely agree that CP3 should have won this award, but STATS don’t realy take into account just how often Kobe is triple teamed. Just ask Jerry Sloan.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 5, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
When did Bass, Walton, or Smith ever have a higher PER than Kobe?
None of them have come even close. Even more, PER is a nice stat, but it’s not the be all, end all. Even Hollinger has never claimed that to be the case. It needs help from other statistics to paint a full picture. Don’t get mad at a statistic just because you don’t know how to use it.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Here we go again...
Show me where I EVER said that any of those guys had a higher per than Kobe.
Why don’t you read my entire post before you jump all over me… Again.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 5, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
what did this mean then?
but ANY stat that tries to tell me that J.R. Smith, Luke Walton, and Brandon Bass are somehow more efficient (and thus more MVP worthy) than Amare Stoudemire or Deron Williams…
there should be some sort of sobriety check before people can actually post here.
2008 or bust.
Look it up...
All three of them have higher player efficiency ratings than amare and williams. This was a reply to a comment that stated the per is how we should determine the mvp. was that so hard?
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 6, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
No need to be snarky either.
Seriously, THIS is why I stopped coming. Because most of the dicks on this site hide behind their anonymous screen names and say snarky things they would never say to a guys face in public, usually without even comprehending what the person said in the first place.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 6, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
you'd make a bet with
MarketMaker for his house in public? Seem like a fun guy.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually I made a bet for MY house...
I never asked him for anything. And if you think I was serious then clearly I don’t expect you to understand what the defenition of fun is.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 6, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I talk a lot of shit in public.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
And do you REALLY not get it...
Or are you just trying to get your funny little quip in for the day too?
I’ll break it down for you, it’s called logic see…
It follows that IF we use the PER (something that was suggested in the post above the one I responded to) to determine the mvp THEN from top to bottom we are ranking the players by their MVP worthiness as a prodcut of their PER. It THEN follows that Bass, Walton, and Smith are more MVP worthy than Amare and Williams. Personally I don’t agree. That’s all… I’m not drunk, and maybe you disagree, but that’s fine too.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 6, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
what are you looking at?
Amare and Williams are both rated higher than Bass, Walton, or Smith. PER is a quick and easy metric, and I wouldn’t solely use it to determine who deserves the MVP award, but it’s a good place to start.
nah,
I never suggested that PER be used. Just said that if it was, it would at least be objective. I’m not a huge fan of PER, truth be told. But I’m a bigger fan of PER than “OMG THAT GUY DID IT WITH NO HELP! HE CHANGED THE CULTURE OF THAT CLUB! ADDITIONAL GENERIC MVP ARGUMENT.” The MVP is worthless because there is nothing objective about it. There aren’t even guidelines for voting. So each voter makes up whatever bullshit they think the MVP should be judged by. That’s all I was saying.
Regular Season PER vs Playoff PER
El Amin was looking at the playoffs PER, which is only a sample of 4-8 games depending on the team. That’s where he got the Smith, Walton & Bass thing.
If he would’ve looked at regular season PER , he would notice that Amare and WIlliams are higher. This would also make sense seeing that MVP is a regular season award.
wait, what made you come back?
if it was something I did or didn’t do, let me know so I can, er, reverse it.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 5, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't flatter yourself Matt...
Much like your self important blog, you personally didn’t do anything.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 5, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
self important blog
is a redundant term.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
As I recall that "bet"
I don’t think MarketMaker ever put up anything on his side….
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
Whoops...
Should have replied when I posted and posted when I replied… This “interweb” nonsense confuses me.
See below.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 3, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Alec, you still crack me up...
Technically he said he would bet anything I’d like, but do you really think I would have given him my house if I lost?
I’m just being a punk and posting this thread per his request. I doubt he’ll ever even see this anyway.
Don't call me doughboy!
I don't know...
my guess is he’s thought of it a thousand times since then. I don’t even think he’s posted since the hype started leaning Kobe’s way.
And no, I don’t think you’d have given him your house…but it was a memorably entertaining exchange.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
He can still have my mortgage though.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 3, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
So since he didn't get in 2006
It’s time to give it to him now? Maybe if the MVP voters didn’t have such a hard-on for Steve Nash and his whiteness, they would have gotten it right the first time. I hope Chris Paul uses this as motivation to just kill Bruce Bowen.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
I agree.
I hope Bruce Bowen gets the shit beat out of him in this series. Thank you for providing me an excuse to say this in a thread about Kobe winning MVP.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
saw a few clips of last night's game
and I think you’re getting your wish. I especially loved CP3 flopping on the Bowen hipcheck and then everybody on N.O. getting in some Spur’s face…almost seemed orchestrated by Scott, didn’t it?
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
Scott knows a thing or two about playing a little dirty
And honestly, it’s about damn time someone taught Bowen a lesson. I wholeheartedly enjoy watching the Spurs, but Bruce Bowen deserves a bitch slap to the face. I’m fairly confident Tyson Chandler will average 1 technical a game and end up beating Bowen up when they lose to the Spurs in 6.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 4, 2008 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as I'm concerned...
You don’t ever need an excuse to write about Bruce Bown getting his ass handed to him. It’s a rare thing when it happens, but I too am looking forward to it.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 4, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
i gotta admit, i laughed when i saw that you had written the kobe wins mvp fanpost
i hope you feel vindicated. you were right. that being said, i still don’t think kobe should have won it. but i guess you can never underestimate the ignorance of sportswriters. it’s a shame that nba mvp is a lifetime achievement award. too bad you didn’t make a real wager with me- i would have happily done it and paid when i lost. i feel like i ‘fought the good fight’ on this matter. this was kobe’s third, maybe fourth, best season. cp3 had the best point guard season in 20 years. lebron averaged more points, assists and rebounds. i still don’t think the best candidate won, but clearly that doesn’t matter because the votes are in. enjoy your moment in the sun, khalid el-amin. hell, consider it a good year- your best since 1999.
i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.
LOL...
Don’t forget those many seasons over seas! Khalid still brings it strong to the rim in Greece!
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on May 5, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
CP
Chris Paul should have won. The award is Most Valuable Player, not the best player statistically. Chris Paul is leading his team to an amazing playoff run and his efforts should be recognized.
by columbusOHcubsfan on May 6, 2008 4:49 PM CDT reply actions
Without statistics, how are you going to determine most valuable?
Whether it be PER, Adj +/-, Team won/loss record, PPG, whatever, you need some statistics or you’re just pulling stuff out of your ass.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
The same way it's always been done, which is
as you describe.
As much as I hate to admit it, you , Matt, hscs are surely winning converts to your side in the mvp, HoF, etc,. debate. I know this because slowly I may be becoming one. Not there yet though.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
i don't get it though
people are acting like choosing Kobe for MVP was just totally wrong. It wasn’t. Sure Paul deserved it. But I’m one of the few who actually don’t think it was a “lifetime achievement award”.
I was actually for Kobe.
But I also agree with what snley is saying, which is that there’s no objective criteria.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
It's not solely a lifetime achievement award.
Many time, MVP’s go to whichever player produces the best story. It so happens that this year’s story of, “Kobe became a real teammate” somehow trumped Paul’s story of, “he single handidly carried a team that nobody thought would do well while saving a franchise for New Orleans.” Writing about Paul would require the writers actually learning something about the other Hornets and none of them seem to really want to do that other than writing that David West is underrated.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Also, if you call someone the best player in the game
It’s kind of odd that he doesn’t have any MVP’s to his name, at least in the voters’ minds.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 7, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
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