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Second Round

Enough has been said about what we are going to do with the first round. What about our other pick?

Star-divide

My head's a little spinny from all the draft talk for the Number One Pick. As far as I am concerned, Rose is a lock and anything that Pax does other than that is sheer lunacy. I'm just thinking of what we can do with the Second Round Pick we have.

I'd say we take Nathan Jawai.

There's a team in Singapore (where I'm from) that plays in the same league as Jawai so I've seen him first hand. In a nutshell, he's Aaron Gray with about 10 pounds more muscle.

He's got the strength and wingspan to be a scary post defender (he's called Baby-Shaq here). The biggest knock on him is his conditioning but he left Cairns about 10 pounds lighter and I've heard he is still working out more before the draft.

I think we can develop him into a solid contender in a few years. I know it's a bad idea to bring in another low post project but how many projects are as much of a physical specimen as this guy? He should also have that big match mentality we need as he is used to carrying teams on his back (NBL All-Star MVP & his team the Cairns Taipans).

So what do you guys think?

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I'd like Bill Walker if he were to slip that far

Don’t think that will happen, though.

by Illini15 on May 28, 2008 11:44 PM CDT   0 recs

Shan Foster would also be a great pick

Tall (!!!!!!!!!!!!!), 3-point specialist off the bench

by Illini15 on May 28, 2008 11:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ditto

long tree point shooter….im in.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 28, 2008 11:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe

But do we really want another 3? We already are overstocked with Thabo, Deng and Noc. Maybe if we can find a way to move Hughes.

by Alighieri on May 28, 2008 11:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Where are we not overstocked, though?

We need to ship some guys out asap.

by Illini15 on May 28, 2008 11:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no and no

you want a 3 point specialist talk to Orlando about swappin JJ for a 375 ML of Noahs amber liquid. No seriosly if we are going to take Rose then we need a big man Devon Hardin fits perfectly and then we can watch Gooden walk. One exception if we can get every GM to sit in Joakim’s car for 20 minutes with the window down and hit them in the head they will pass on Walker and we should take him on talent alone.

by TRiCioNeRo on May 29, 2008 12:41 AM CDT   0 recs

Actually

I doubt any second rounder we take are going to log big minutes for a long time, if ever…

Look at PeeOn… That and Aaron Gray’s 20-20 in the final game is just not plausible every night…

by Alighieri on May 29, 2008 1:38 AM CDT   0 recs

We can always D-League the pick

Who knows, if he ends up being the next Mikki Moore or something for the team during a playoff run Paxson will look like a genius.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 29, 2008 1:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

manu ginobili anyone?

i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.

by MarketMaker on May 29, 2008 6:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But, if there's no one readily available

Just draft Rod Benson and bring the Boom Tho movement to Chicago
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie?author=Rod+Benson

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 29, 2008 1:42 AM CDT   0 recs

Do you think the pick would be worth anything for a trade?

We also have a traded player exception …

by Alighieri on May 29, 2008 1:44 AM CDT   0 recs

That's what I'm thinking

Take the guy that would work best for a trade. A big man project is always popular as a throw in with other parts. If that doesn’t work, he’ll be a summer league curiosity and rock the D-league with PeeOn and the rest of his merry men.
Unfortunately our past draft picks are still “projects” cause they never got enough minutes in the first place. We need to figure them out first before we can turn out eyes to the next Aaron Gray wunderkid.

by OldSkoolSloan on May 29, 2008 8:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Joey Dorsey!

There’s a chance that he’s not an NBA player at all – he was like a 32-year old college senior, after all – but his production last year was phenomenal, and he’d be the big, tough inside body to complement Gooden/Thomas/Noah (along with Aaron Gray). Nothing major, maybe 5-10 minutes a game, but he’s a guy I’d be interested in, if available.

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by Jivas on May 29, 2008 9:04 AM CDT   0 recs

I'd say we could probably rule out Joey Dorsey

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 29, 2008 9:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

why?

i’m not saying picking joey dorsey is a good idea, i’m just saying back up your statement.

by DangerMouse on May 29, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's the guy who boasted that he had an inside source

who ‘knew’ the Bulls were going to draft Beasley. Paxson was so pissed-off about it in his press conferance he could hardly talk.

I’d say that rules out dorsey.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 29, 2008 11:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Alec, to be fair

My comment was posted before Dorsey made his (most recent) stupid comment!

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by Jivas on May 29, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

sorry--I didn't note the time!

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 29, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Richard Hendrix?

Remember when everyone said we needed a back-to-the-basket player? Hendrix is incredibly strong and is predicted to be an early second round pick. we might need to trade up (might not), but that should be easy, since rumors are Portland is willing to trade some of their picks. His flaws are that he is short and not super quick, but his mobility isn’t bad and he has a good wingspan, and I think he could develop into a solid complimentary player next to Noah.

by Jamaicanpi on May 29, 2008 10:27 AM CDT   0 recs

I think a Center with some beef

is the way to go, and Jawai fills that bill. Noah is very light for a Center, and Gray is too slow to be effective in a lot of situations. Jawai seems to be very athletic, a sure thing around the rim, and can move some bodies out of the post. Would bring a different aspect than what we currently have. That being said, its doubtful he would still be around at #39. DeVon Hardin is looking like he will be available and should get consideration. My dark horse pick is Trent Plaisted, a 6-11” 245lb. PF/C with great speed and athleticism.

by gillrowdy on May 29, 2008 12:20 PM CDT   0 recs

yeah...

and he’d complete the man-love triangle with Johnny “Red” Kerr and Gray.

Restaurant sales sky rocket!

Step 1 - Win lottery. Step 2 - Hire a coach. Step 3 - Win.

by Lt.Dan on May 29, 2008 2:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Draft a big man

Chances are slim to none that a decent big man drops to the Bulls, but if one does, we’ve gotta take him. Nikola Pekovic made minced meat out of Kosta Koufos a few years ago in the Euro U-21 championships and may be the best center in Europe. Rumors have young turks Omer Asik and Semih Ersan pegged as heirs to the Memo Okur legacy. DeVon Hardin is big and athletic. If none of these guys is available at 39th, maybe then take a gamble on Jawai. He’s only the southeast asian Baby Shaq because he’s big and “black” (Torres Straight Islander, not African). That’s where the story ends. Is he any good? Apparently, but most Aussie ballers go to college in the States (Bogut, Longley) or to the pros in Europe (David Andersen) to match up against top competition. Jawai=18 and 10 in the Aussie NBL…not that impressive.

by Carlitro on May 29, 2008 12:22 PM CDT   0 recs

Maybe

But I never said Jawai was going to be dominant from the get go. He’d still be a nice addition to the team.

He’s bigger and tougher than both Gray and Noah, has carried teams before and has the potential to be one of the strongest centres in this draft not named Lopez.

by Alighieri on May 29, 2008 10:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

2nd round strategy

The 2nd round is such a roll of the dice, I think the best bet is to draft someone who’s been underscouted, either because he was role player on an awesome college team, a star at a really small school, or a foreign player. For the most part, if a guy stars for a big name school and is projected to go 2nd round, that’s because he isn’t very good.

Among the top 2nd round picks in recent years:

Role players on great college teams: Boozer, Duhon, Arenas, Luke Walton
Small school players: Kyle Korver, Paul Millsap, Hassell
Foreign / High Schoolers: Ginobili, Scola, Okur, Varejao, Navarro, Jaric, Monta Ellis, Lou Williams
Injury concerns: Carl Landry, Leon Powe
Stars at big programs who were just overlooked: Michael Redd, Mo Williams

Dorsey seems to fit the mold, and you could argue for Bill Walker too. Otherwise, I’d just as well see us take a foreign guy and let him develop overseas for a year or two, especially with our roster sitting at 15. When the Bulls were really struggling around 1999-2000, it was always nice to point out that we still owned the rights to Dragan Tarlac.

by YaoPau on May 29, 2008 1:32 PM CDT   1 recs

That's true.

personally, I’m more to the foreign players. Being competitive in the EuroLeague tends to say more about your skill sets and mentality. As far as I see, Jawai is a potential first rounder (said not to fall beyond Spurs). The only thing keeping him in the second round is the lack of awareness of him.

If he drops that far, he’s a snap.

by Alighieri on May 29, 2008 9:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Loved that post

as a way of looking at which players tend to fall. One category I’d like to had, perhaps in lieu of the last one, would be “familiarity breed contempt.” Successful players at big colleges, who play until they’re upper classmen – for instance Redd, Maxiel and David Lee – can often drop too (though perhaps not all the way to the second round). So which players in this year’s draft fit your categories?

1) Role players on great teams – Dorsey, Rush,Demarcus Nelson
2) Small school players: Lester Hudson, Courtney Lee
3) Foreigners – Pekovic, Erden, Jawai
4) Injuries – Bill Walker
5) Familiarity breeds contempt – Roy Hibbert

In other words, this is a deep draft, and a few of these players might slip to the Bulls in the second, so lost in the understandable excitement of the first pick is the possibility to add a quality player in the second. I’ve got no idea which the Bulls should take because other than Hibbert and Dorsey, I’ve never seen those guys. I’m just hoping Pax has dedicated a few of his underlings to the task.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on May 30, 2008 8:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Although

if I had to make a decision with little or no info, I’d say take Pekovic. He’s 22, has experience in Euroleague (averaged 16/7) and is said to be athletic with a developed skill set. It doesn’t take a lot to outplay Aaron Gray for that backup role.

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on May 30, 2008 9:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pekovic's catch

The thing with Pekovic is he’s making a lot of money in europe, I think I read somewhere around 1.5 million euros per year for 3 years (~$3mil a year). So if we draft him, we won’t see him in the NBA for a while.

by Jamaicanpi on May 30, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm fine with that

NBA teams had to wait on Ginobili, Scola, and Navarro too and they turned out to be some of the best second round picks of the last decade. Only one or two second round picks each year make any real impact on NBA teams in their rookie year anyway.

by YaoPau on May 30, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont think you draft a guy

and expect to wait 3 years. Not for 16/7 22 year old especially.

by gillrowdy on May 31, 2008 11:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Points all

Foreign players in good leagues are often overlooked…by us. Pekovic, as awesome as he could be in the NBA, could earn a lot more in Europe, or as a FA than as a 2nd rounder. Of course teams are only bound by the league minimum salary in the second round. They can sign players for more money if they choose to. My beef with Jawai is just that I don’t believe in things that are too good to be true. It’s not like AIS (Aussie Institute of Sport) is off our radar. If Jawai is that good, why wasn’t he touted and recruited either to the NCAA or to the Euroleague somewhere? If DeVon Hardin is there, I say Pax takes him. Senior guy in a good program and fills a team need. Bill Walker has mad ups and virtually nothing else to offer. Roy Hibbert slipping to 39th would be a coup. You can’t teach height. Gray and Hibbert on the bench together would be like the Wennington/Longley/Purdue “three headed monster” at center—though slightly more talented.

by Carlitro on May 30, 2008 11:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A little early to be calling them more talented

Longley was actually pretty good against Shaq in his prime- dragged him down, and big dude.
Purdue same
Wennington had that sweet 12 footer.

They all played integral role playing parts getting us rings, and could move their feet to help D for penetration without just picking up a foul.

Our dear Gray, in 5-10 minutes of action, just looks slow, and while I like his back to the basket game, he’s still a huge liability on the other end, and easy to steal the ball from if the other team gets annoyed with his offensive success. That being said, I think he can develop if they:

1) Do lots of agility drills/strength/weight loss
2) Work with him on ball handling

by iBurkey on Jun 2, 2008 9:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

2nd Rounders are for team needs

If Hibbert, Robin Lopez, Kosta Koufas, Dorsey, Pekovic, Jawai, DeVon Hardin, Omer Asik or Semih Erden are available, we’ll get somebody who can play. One or two of the above will be there…though I’m sticking with Hardin as a known quantity.

by Carlitro on May 30, 2008 11:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree 100%

Hardin has to be our man in second round. His knock is he doesnt know how to play but he doesnt have to see alot of minutes in his rookie season and hell pick up a few moves. ♠♣♦♥

by TRiCioNeRo on May 30, 2008 2:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree

I’d say mid-to-late first round picks are for team needs, because you can expect whoever you draft to play their way into your rotation. Most second round picks never make an NBA rotation, so at that point you should look for the best player available, especially now that we can send players to the D-League for some sprucing-up.

by YaoPau on May 31, 2008 2:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Based on that criteria,

I like Courtney Lee, Joey Dorsey, or Jawai (a long shot, don’t think he’ll still be around at that point)

by swede2287 on Jun 1, 2008 3:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

dorsey is underrated

a ben wallace-type off the bench…which is a great add (as long as you’re not paying him what we gave ben wallace)

by swede2287 on Jun 1, 2008 3:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

?

so you mean he will turn the team against the coach, have bad hair, and never make free throws?
(sorry, don’t know where that came from. still have some unresolved issues with our late, unmissed 6.6” center)

by iBurkey on Jun 2, 2008 9:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We need another 3 point shooter

Mabey Courtney Lee from western Kentucky?

by knickknack7450 on May 30, 2008 8:07 PM CDT   0 recs

I would love a legit 6'8

or taller Guard-Forward who can consistently hit the three against NBA defense, or even against the majority of NBA 2nd units, but i don’t watch college ball so somebody help me out…

The other thing, is I think foreign players will be harder to get in the future 2nd rounds, at least Euroleague players, as the Euro continues to advance against the dollar and there are caps on the 2nd round salaries. Throw in the cost of buyouts for good players and it seems like it might just get more difficult. Euroleague players who don’t enter the draft might increasingly be signed outright as free agents, like Noc was.

I like Dorsey b/c he reminds me of Ben Wallace before he got here, when I was actually a fan of his. people used to talk about Tyrus as Big Ben’s understudy, but TT always struck me as more potentially like Shawn Marion. I don’t quite know where drafting Dorsey would leave us though, unless we found a 7 footer who could do more in the paint than dunk.

I know we have enough youth that we don’t play, but maybe we could move up into the first round and grab this kid Speights I’ve been hearing about.

by Sko on May 31, 2008 1:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and

we don’t have anybody who does what bill walker does, Tyrus maybe, but Walker has a better handle and shot, and i think is faster. Thabo plays better D and is more versatile. Imagine Rose leading the break with Walker and Tyrus at the forward spots and Gordon trailing for the 3.

yes I want to trade Ben, but I don’t think it will happen.

by Sko on May 31, 2008 1:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Walker shows he's healthy

he’ll be long gone by the Bulls round 2 pick. He’s definitely a talent.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 31, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah he won't still be around

he’s lost 25 pounds since college, and he’s improved his jumper.

by swede2287 on Jun 1, 2008 3:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

we had D.Nichols and never used him

he was a top notch college 3 point shooter. We have Noc and Gordon as pretty accurate 3 point shooters, and they both probably deserve more minutes than they have gotten. And Hinrich shot 41% from 3pt range 2 years ago.

by gillrowdy on May 31, 2008 11:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Totally..

And Nocpu will take it to the hole and act like a maniac if we need it.

by iBurkey on Jun 2, 2008 9:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

looking at the wages of wins journal

looking at the wages of wins journal from the another fanpost, i saw a player named jason thompson.

i had never heard of him before, and according to draftexpress, he’s a senior and plays for rider. he’s listed at 6’11 and 250 lbs. he scores 20 ppg and averages more than 12 rebounds per game. he also averages nearly 3 blocks per game.

they have him going 28th in their mock draft, but if he slips a bit to the second round and is available when the bulls are picking, i think he’d be a great addition to the tyrus/noah/gooden trio in the frontcourt (aaron gray doesnt count) because he has good size and doesnt need many minutes.

he could be a solid role player and a good addition to the team, and thats all you can realistically expect from a second round pick.

by kite on Jun 1, 2008 12:50 PM CDT   0 recs

Not Bad

I like Thompson as a role player. I saw an earlier comment about how 2nd Round are mostly for team needs. In that case, we need a big body in the paint to occasionally put up some points. Unless Gray makes some huge improvements, I can see Hardin, Jawai or Thompson…

by Alighieri on Jun 1, 2008 11:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

one more to go

someone mind recommending this? It seems like a good on-going topic (not that I have much to offer on it.)

management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 2, 2008 10:35 AM CDT   1 recs

woo hoo

the system works (‘system’ being begging)

management sez: recommend fanposts/fanshots/comments!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 2, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

what about

J. Duncan from Xavier….seems like a “glue guy” who makes good not great plays

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jun 2, 2008 10:55 AM CDT   0 recs

sounds like joe smith

i think we could do better even in the second round

by swede2287 on Jun 2, 2008 12:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

even is he doesn't get drafted

i think pax should take a look at him

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jun 2, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

With the new economics (big euro contracts to compete against

the second round is the place to look at the europlayers.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 2, 2008 12:54 PM CDT   0 recs

Ach. sorry.

2nd round draft pick aren’t locked into a salary slot. The good european players are all making too much money at home to come here as a mid-to-low first rounder. Their agents are pleadiang with nba teams NOT to select them until the 2nd round. (The exception being a high lottery pick like Gallinari.)

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Jun 2, 2008 12:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

DeVon Hardin if available

“I never exhaled Joakim Noah

by TRiCioNeRo on Jun 2, 2008 6:57 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm intigued by Gary Forbes from UMass

DraftExpress had this to say about his performance in Orlando:


For Team 2, the best player on the floor (and likely of the day) was clearly Gary Forbes, stringing together one of the best single-game performances (30 points, 7-16 FG, 15-16 FT, 26 minutes) we’ve seen in the last five years of the pre-draft camp. Forbes was incredibly aggressive putting the ball on the floor with either hand and making very strong moves to the basket, being very physical once there and in turn getting to the free throw line at will. His scoring instincts might be the best of any wing player at this camp, as he makes up for his lack of freakish athleticism with phenomenal footwork and body control, being able to quickly read and exploit angles, or move intelligently without the ball, in turn showing a very good basketball IQ that impressed many people here. Although his perimeter shot wasn’t a huge part of his game once again, he knocked down one of his two attempts from NBA range, which leaves optimism in that regard. He’s making a strong push for consideration in the early second round or possibly higher.

Putting the ball on the floor with either hand? Footwork and body control? High Basketball IQ? And most importantly, getting to the line at will? Sign me up. I think that’s one of the biggest needs that Bulls haven’t addressed. We have no one on this roster that can put the ball on the floor and slash to the hoop and get to the line at will. Getting to the line is vitally important and the Bulls just don’t do it. I know that he plays SF and we have Deng and Noce entrenched at those positions, but I think we should be shipping Chapu out and that would clear a spot for someone like Forbes to spell Deng.

by fundamentallysound on Jun 2, 2008 11:49 PM CDT   0 recs

He's a terrible shooter

40.7% from the field, 29.2% from 3’s, and 72% from the line. His true shooting % against crappy UMass competition was about the same as Larry Hughes’ against NBA competition. Stay far, far away.

by YaoPau on Jun 4, 2008 12:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Shasha Kaun

He is projected to go late in the 2nd round, but he would be a nice project. He just started playing ball a few years ago and has much to learn, but has a nice NBA ready body.

by Chitown23 on Jun 3, 2008 12:01 PM CDT   0 recs

He's from KU!

Which means I automatically think he’s an NBA player.

by tyger1147 on Jun 3, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It would make me happy, if nothing else.

And he has good character and is a winner, so all the cliches are covered.

Here's to the most exciting offseason in a VERY long time!

by wjb1492 on Jun 3, 2008 10:11 PM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Alexis Ajinca

if available this far. You can then leave him in Europe for a year or two, or bring him over to replace the great Aaron Gray, or put him in the D-league. But he’s got potential to be a good defensive center (man does he block).

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jun 6, 2008 3:03 AM CDT   0 recs

Bill Walker's going first round, unfortunately.

He’s lost weight and re-gained explosiveness he lost after his injuries. Dude is a monster right now. I’d be surprised if he lasted much past 25 or so

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jun 8, 2008 10:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

why trade?

this is a deep draft, and what would we get for it?

by swede2287 on Jun 9, 2008 5:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually

trade sounds okay. We’ve got no needs that can be realistically fulfilled by the 2nd round. I wouldn’t mind trading up into the first round (maybe Duhon) so we can get a big man to spell Noah at 5.

Here I can assume, Duhon + 2nd Round (maybe next year’s too) = 24th Pick (Hibbert, Robin Lopez, Hardin)

by Alighieri on Jun 9, 2008 8:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who in their right mind would give up a 1st rounder for Chris Duhon?

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jun 9, 2008 8:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, I'm an idiot and wrote that post before I finished reading yours.

Isn’t he an UFA, though? So I believe the point is moot.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jun 9, 2008 9:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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