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Clueless like a fox

Heat beat writer Ira Winderman has an interesting take on the post-lottery Pax:

Sorry, but still not sold on Chicago's John Paxson not being sold on who the Bulls plan to draft at No. 1.  Somehow, one would think a season's body of work would mean more than anything Paxson will learn over the next month about Derrick Rose or Michael Beasley.
                                                  
Also, remember that Paxson had been one of the few front-office types willing to trade words with Pat Riley during Heat-Bulls in the playoffs the previous two years. There might be respect there, but friendship would be a stretch.  So Paxson will spar a little, play the game during the Orlando draft camp, put out plenty about having to make a tough, tough decision. Don't buy it. He knows. If he doesn't, he hasn't been doing his job these past seven months.

All the while, Riley has to squirm. It might not exactly be retribution for James Posey's various Bulls body slams, but, heck, one takes satisfaction where he can.

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It's all part of the due-diligence dance, where Paxson gets to walk around with the biggest smirk, because he knows something you don't.

Well, Ira, Chad Ford has apparently been duped:

I believe Paxson when he says the team hasn't decided. But if he is going to prioritize character, leadership and chemistry in his criteria, Rose will win the battle.

I haven't seen Pax's smirk, but I'll haphazardly guess that Pax will have those priorities (likely to a fault), and he has decided on Rose. At least for now. Sheesh, he hasn't even met these fellas.

Then again, judging by this coaching search (a.k.a. "The GM Bachelor: search for my basketball soulmate"), Paxson perhaps hasn't been doing his job the past seven months (sorry, he was evaluating Boylan), and is potentially clueless.

Hope Beasley and Rose are ready for frequent interviews, and phone tag with Chairman Reinsdorf. That rookie scale contract does leave some room for negotiation, after all...

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It's not like the Bulls expected or even hoped for the first pick, though.

I do believe Pax when he says that – impossible though it may have proved, the Bulls were pushing for the playoffs till late in the season, and even when eliminated had almost no shot at #1 (as we all know). Why would he have spent much time at all looking at guys who were considered locks for the top couple of picks? That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have some sort of opinion going into it, but I think this compulsion for thoroughness that he is exhibiting will push him to fully consider each of them. Hell, he may end up bending over backwards to consider the positive qualities of the “other” guy in an effort to be fair and thorough.

Not that I mind Winderman continuing to remind everyone that Miami lost to the Bulls again. ;)

Here's to the most exciting offseason in a VERY long time!

by wjb1492 on May 28, 2008 12:32 AM CDT   0 recs

Except . . .

. . . you guys don’t have a championship. :-)

by Flimjo on May 28, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

6, actually

That’s a big enough sample size to discount the bad calls too.

by hscs on May 28, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

meh

Shaq didn’t wreck that team, Riley quit.

by hscs on May 28, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he did show up fat and out of shape, again.

to be fair to him though, his personal life went into a tailspin…

by iBurkey on May 28, 2008 10:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh woe is Shaq

When there is documented proof that he was 100% monogamous to his wife, I will begin to care that he got divorced.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 28, 2008 11:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thus I can insult him all I want

And he can cover his ears with his millions of dollars, win-win.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 28, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm just guessing he'd fail

the Jimmy Carter test.

Does taht make him less than 100% monagamous?

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 28, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wade won that championship....

....playing one-on-five while Shaq wasted away on the bench at the end of games.

by Flimjo on May 29, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

None since....

....Jordan left. And, wow, have you had opportunities to get better. Talk about one dumb move after another.

by Flimjo on May 29, 2008 12:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

coach...

I suddenly got really annoyed with this coaching “search” – probably right after Matt reminded us all that Pax had 7 MONTHS to try to at least narrow down his list which, apparently, included every assistant coach in the NBA. And also Mark Jackson.

by potato0328 on May 28, 2008 1:58 AM CDT   0 recs

it was technically more like 5 months

though he could’ve prepped early when Skiles started the preseason spreading secret notes about how cruddy his players were.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 28, 2008 9:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

about time

even if paxson is just being cautious, I love how miami—ans? are feeling slighted. Pouting about not having say over who they are gonna get to choose. Karma kick, especially since I believe that the Bulls did try to compete till the end while Riley dumped the season point blank and went searching for the perfect Rose…

by gman2849 on May 28, 2008 9:23 AM CDT   0 recs

Seems like we need a developmental coach, not an XO coach, for a couple years

Or at least one that takes development seriously. I read that players didn’t feel like that was happening under Skiles. Of course that might be just them taking over the asylum…

But seriously, we need Tyrus,Rose,Noah,Thabo especially, and Deng as well to get some serious development. Oh, and Aaron Gray too. There might a quick dude hiding under there.

by iBurkey on May 28, 2008 11:09 AM CDT   0 recs

Do people in Miami even know they have a basketball team?

Paxson is being his usual “Well we have to look at all angles before I screw up” self…and it’s retribution for James “Posey Sucks” Posey sucking? God, I hope Wade leaves that shitty franchise and it’s devil president behind in 2010.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 28, 2008 11:16 AM CDT   0 recs

this morning on espn's first take

stephen a smith was saying he has heard that rose does not want to play in chicago because of the added pressure of playing in the hometown…this is probably stephen a just talking out of his ass, but does anyone know if there is any truth to it? i am assuming that is false because, one, rose said he would be thrilled to play in chicago, and two, i really dont think rose is that type of personality. i have a feeling he would embrace that extra pressure and use it as more motivation to turn this thing around in chicago. like i said, i doubt there is any truth to this, i was just wondering if anyone else heard anything like that?

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on May 28, 2008 12:15 PM CDT   0 recs

Stephen smith always seems to

talks pro knicks…. Poor fella.

by gman2849 on May 28, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

poor fella indeed

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on May 28, 2008 12:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well there is the possibility of added pressure

But, Rose’s family is highly protective of him, and I don’t think the eventual negative criticism that will come from Chicago scribes should get to him that badly. He’s going to be held to a high standard anywhere he goes (if he plays with Wade, he’s going to be expected to be a top PG pretty quickly), so I don’t buy that playing in Chicago is going to be that ridiculously difficult. Plus, Smith is just desperate to get Rose in NY so he can have something to talk about.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 28, 2008 1:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"Rose’s family is highly protective of him"

Yet, I wouldn’t be surprised if his family or Rose thinks the Bulls executive organization sucks.
But, it is probably a love-hate view point (love the MJ era, hate the post MJ and GM Paxson era)..

But this might be a minor negative, other than previous anticipation of teaming with Wade?

Yet the Chicago positives outweight these negatives, “hometown hero”. Like you said Rose doesn’t back down from a challenge, he’s a Wolverine (my H.S. Alumnus:Simeon – “South Side”)

http://www.windycitybasketball.com/index.php?id=67

Rose rates as the best prospect to come out of the Chicago Public League since NBA All-Star and Former Farragut great, Kevin Garnett

by exult463 on May 28, 2008 4:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Due Diligence

The draft is June 26. There are 2 clear candidates for the number 1 pick that are completely different players. This is the most important decision Paxson will make for the franchise and he would be absolutely stupid not to use the time he’s allowed to investigate every possible option (including various trades). It’s not simply taking one player over the other either. The entire roster is part of the discussion. Paxson probably has a preference at this point, but what possible benefit is there to publically acknowledge that? As soon as the choice is public, you potentially limit your options (not a good thing).

The coaching search has people frustrated. Fans, particularly on this board, and the media are screaming about the time he’s taking to make a choice. “He’s had 5 months!” “How could he not have been prepared for this????” Does anyone actually believe he didn’t have a list of people in mind for the job during the season? Of course he did. That doesn’t mean you don’t take your time to interview candidates. Some of those candidates aren’t available at the moment and others likely did not interview well. This is a pretty important decision also and you don’t simply hire a coach so your fan base feels like you’ve done something.

The only coach that’s been hired that people thought was a good fit was D’Antoni. From the outside, he would have been my choice, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have a whole bunch of questions surrounding him. Blame Paxson or blame Reinsdorf for letting him go to the Knicks if you like, but it’s not like they just missed hiring Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich. The reality is that there are no perfect candidates out there at the moment. When you’re in a situation without an obvious answer, then why not take your time and investigate your options throughly? Can anyone honestly say it’s cost the Bulls anything to this point?

by Raven1908 on May 28, 2008 1:39 PM CDT   0 recs

I suppose it's not really the time

It’s the time combined with the fact that, after seven-ish months, it looks like we’re going to hire whatever assistant coach can say the words “defense” and “effort” the most times in an interview with Pax. Now I guess there’s no way of knowing if one of these guys will become a Popovich or a Jackson, but… I’m pessimistic about that.

by potato0328 on May 28, 2008 1:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

coaching search

I don’t think people on this blog are mad that he hasn’t made a choice yet (we all know it takes time), I think the problem comes with the fact that Paxson scoffs at any and every single mention of a timetable, like it’s almost completely ludicrous that anyone even mention the time aspect. He’s playing it out like he has 6 months to make the decision.

I’m sure everyone wants to feel comfortable about about the next coach, but to act like others have gone out of their mind for even saying the word “time”, that’s the part most are fed up with. We’ve seen Paxson (and Reinsdorf) do this little dawdle dance with other decisions for far too long. Step up, have some balls, and make a decision.

by NormVanBeer on May 28, 2008 1:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

coaching search

OK, so if Paxson said he would hire a coach by some artificial date, everyone would be happy? Is it more important to meet some time table than to make the right decision? This isn’t about “having some balls”. It’s about making a good choice. The only time table that matters is having a coach in place prior to the start of training camp. Again, what has taking time cost them?

I’m also curious what decisions you believe Paxson and Reinsdorf have taken too much time on in the past. Mind you, I’m not saying it’s not true. I’m just looking for an example of two to discuss.

by Raven1908 on May 28, 2008 2:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

an artificial date, any sign of what he's looking for

in terms of philosophy, experience, other credentials, anything.

It doesn’t help that he actually said “I have no list (and no clue)”. I’m starting to believe that until proven otherwise.

And clearly they took too much time on D’Antoni, by D’Antoni’s ‘timetable’.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 28, 2008 2:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And?

Yes, everyone thinks they took too much time in the coaching search by D’Antoni’s time table. We can debate whether or not that’s relevant or not.

What I was asking for was an example of a decision that has taken too long to make. We’re already discussing the coaching search and whether or not that’s taking too much time. The implication on this board is that this is Paxson’s history. I’m not agreeing or disagreeing, I would just like another example is all.

by Raven1908 on May 28, 2008 7:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We discussed this ad museum

around the times of the Gasol and KG deals. The consensus here as elsewhere is that both Minnesota and Memphis ended up settling for worse deals than what each had been offered by the Bulls.

It’s not so much about Paxson being late as it is about him being entirely clueless about how, when or what kind of an offer he needs to make in order to close a deal.

As for the D’Antoni whiff, Paxson didn’t sense that a deal had to be on the table.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 28, 2008 7:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

...ad nauseam...

I guess that’s what using spell check gets ya.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 28, 2008 7:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Really?

You just wrote that Minnesota and Memphis took worse deals than the Bulls offered. How is that an issue of Paxson taking too much time or being clueless about when an offer needs to be made?

Minn wasn’t trading KG when the Bulls were in a position to get him. When they finally decided to do a deal, Chicago no longer had the salaries to get it done. The consensus is that the TWolves screwed up, not Paxson. Think Minnesota would rather have Deng, Chandler and Thomas (or Aldridge) than Al Jefferson?

Memphis was not inclined to deal Gasol for talent and salary relief when Chicago was in a position to do so. A year later, they dumped him for basically nothing in one of the worst trades in NBA history passing on more talented players. Again, I’m not sure how anyone blames Paxson for this.

Neither Gasol or KG was an issue of Paxson taking too much time to do anything.

I agree with you on D’Antoni. If he’s the guy you want, you get an offer to him ASAP even if he has indicated he doesn’t have a problem with your timeframe. Then again, I’m not the guy making decisions that can cost your organization millions, so I can at least understand if they wanted to sleep on it for a night.

by Raven1908 on May 28, 2008 8:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

While I may agree with you about the Minnesota deal,

there are some here who strongly feel the Bulls made a better offer. However, it’s pretty hard to argue the Bulls offer for Gasol was worse than what Memphis eventually took from L.A.

My point is simply that Paxson has repeatedly failed to connect the dots on makeable deals.

With all due deference, I would not deign speak for HRB, but I’d guess his parenthetical "no clue" comment reflects a diminishing faith in Pax the dealmaker.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 28, 2008 8:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sleep? sleep on it a night?

They should have fell asleep on the road, and drove into a ditch of quicksand to Detroit during the summer of 2006.

by exult463 on May 28, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

also

it’d be nice to have a coach on board before making decisions on the pick, Gordon and Deng, and everything else that will likely be situated before training camp.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 28, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

what has taking time cost them?

There’s that small matter of making the #1 draft pick. Having a coach in place now as opposed to later robs them of possible/probable valuable input when it comes to making the best decision. No, it’s not the be-all, end-all, but having a coach’s input on how he would potentially use that player and how he would run the offense with that player would seem to be important.

We’ve heard countless stories of certain players (Lu, BG, etc) being gym rats at the Berto over the summer. Having a coach in place now would give those ones valuable time to not only get to know him personally, but also professionally and strategically. Whatever coach is hired, most likely a new system will be put into place…why not be getting familiar with that system now, rather than later?

Technically having someone in place by the start of training camp will be early enough, but waiting that long would just be detrimental to the entire organization. You’re talking having only a month of not only getting to know new players, but also new coaches, new staff, and new plays.

The most glaring (and latest) example of them taking too much time was the whole D’Antoni thing. If they manned up (had the balls) and put an offer on the table instead of dawdling, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

by NormVanBeer on May 28, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Taking time has cost them two qualified candidates

In Rick Carlisle and Mike D’Antoni (grrrrr….), and has also cost them qualified candidates for assistant coach positions.

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by Jivas on May 28, 2008 2:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe

That’s a cost if you consider either a qualified candidate. Carlisle was likely never a real option because he’s too similar to Skiles.

D’Antoni is obviously a different issue. I’m still trying to figure out how someone would choose to coach a roster with zero hope for 3 years though.

by Raven1908 on May 28, 2008 6:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

limited expectations?

therefore given the slightest ounce of improvement, D’Antoni’s contract will be extended. Heck! he might be in NY for 10 years if he gets them to the playoffs in 3 years. Then he’ll be rich and ready for retirement. This is a great position. Isiah lower the bar so low, that anyone almost could be successful in NY.

by exult463 on May 28, 2008 8:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't approve of those terms

manning up or having balls. In fact, they’re annoying to read.

It’s more just indecisiveness and being unprepared.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 28, 2008 2:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

true

indecisiveness is different from not having the balls to do something. But in this case, I still think it was a little of both(at least it was to me)

by NormVanBeer on May 28, 2008 2:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Search or Charade?

Can you really take PaxDorfs antics seriously when they’re talking about Eric Snow as a head coach? The lack of interviewed candidates with prior head coaching experience and winning records is also a little disturbing.

You really have to wonder how genuine the interviews are or if they’re just there to give the wags something to write about while they wait for Boston to exit the play-offs so they can grab their only real candidate… assuming he’s amiable. If not, get ready for a real scramble.

by ziffle on May 29, 2008 12:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

amenable?

I still want to hear some more about Michael Curry.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 29, 2008 12:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

what if pax wants a guy who is still in the playoffs?

like rambis or shaw or tom thib…

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on May 28, 2008 3:57 PM CDT   0 recs

Discussing what Paxson will do?

Is no longer important because I don’t like to think of indecisiveness. I just know that he will draft Derrick Rose (a fan favorite) and pick a good coach (who exploits the strength of the roster, primarily Derrick Rose).

These are two points Pax already pointed out (resonate with the fans and the players), so we can rest. Pax has always been consistent and a man of his word. Fortunately, in this situation he has no where or place to deviate from his words!

June 26, Derrick Rose will be a Chicago Bull and the selection of a coach will be one of Paxson’s most important decisions ever.

by exult463 on May 28, 2008 4:39 PM CDT   0 recs

My fear is that Rose doesn't want to play here

And not because Joey Dorsey said so here: http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/fullcourtpress/2008/05/roses-college-t.html

But I’m wondering why Dorsey is saying this. Could his “inside source” be Rose himself, telling Dorsey that he’s going to let Paxson know of his desire to play outside of Chicago? I don’t see why Dorsey would say something like this, especially seemingly at the expense of his guy.

Think about it. Rose will be onset with high expectations for an organization still without a coach and for a starving and disgruntled (rightfully so) fanbase. In terms of being set up the best for success, I wonder if he thinks Miami would be better for him, and if guys like Dorsey and Stephen A. are spreading these rumors on behalf of D. Rose.

I am naturally pessimistic about the Bulls outlook after this past season and the past shortcomings of the organization and I hope this doesn’t come to fruition because it would be heartbreaking.

by messwiththebull on May 28, 2008 4:52 PM CDT   0 recs

So because he doesn't want to come here

you don’t pick him? Even though he’s your top choice…

(oh, and by HERE I mean Chicago… I’m in Europe so there’s little reason for him to come here… Basketball wise…)

If this is indeed your viewpoint I strongly disagree! The guy’s 19. He doesn’t know what he wants or what’s best for him. Pick him anyway. He’ll adjust.

by BAB-Bass on May 28, 2008 5:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think the fanbase is starving-

We just don’t want to be doomed to the midgets.

by iBurkey on May 28, 2008 8:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And besides we've got some good units to play with:

Rose/Thabo/Tyrus/Deng/Noah (running and dunking)
Rose/Kirk/Noce/Deng/Gooden (Half court, shooting)
Rose/Gordon/Noce/Deng/Noah (dribble drive motion (lots of slashers, and 3+ shooters)

Its going to be fun to watch.

by iBurkey on May 28, 2008 8:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's be Realistic on what the Bulls needs are and forget this Native Chicago stuff

Forever Paxson has been looking for a PF to help these guards who have been overworked running the same ol plays that their opponent can defend with their eyes close. The Bulls guards had one let down last year, after being the only weapon this team has ever had to making the playoff for the last 4 years. Yes maybe none of the guards on the roster is a Derrick Rose, but this team has always needed a PF, which is structural component to build a winning team. Again, people a PF has been a longer requirement than PG. We fans need to deflate, come back down to reality and address this team’s long awaited piece to the puzzle that will right balance of a guard oriented team.

by Soloistic on May 28, 2008 8:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

With respect, I disagree entirely.

You do not let need dictate the number one overall pick in the NBA draft.

You pick the best player, the one with greatest chance of becoming something special, and then you adjust the structure of your team to that player.

Did Cleveland really need a point-forward when they drafted LeBron? I’m sure they didn’t care.

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by 1958ChiTown on May 28, 2008 9:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Amen, brother!

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by Jivas on May 28, 2008 10:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Great Point But Beasley is the Best Player

Since the beginning of the College season, Beasley has dominated the court and the headlines. The conversation for No. 1 has been Beasley no. 1 and Kevin Love or Mayo 2. Rose came into the conversation late by a strong showing in NCAA Tournament and jumped the draft boards just as Mateen Cleaves and Jameer Nelson once did. I am not saying Rose is Nelson or Cleaves, but Beasley has always been the Best player in college in 08 than Rose. He was the only option for K-State. His numbers were even better to last years best player Durant. Rose is definitely blossoming, but Beasley has shown since day one that he’s the can’t miss pick. Beasley address our long sought need and also fit your argument for taking the best player on the board. Let’s not get caught up in the due or undue hype and recognize Beasley score, rebound, shooting % and leadership record

by Soloistic on May 28, 2008 10:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not true.

As early as Feb., Rose started showing up as #2 in sme mocks…with comments abuot his transcendant athleticism and th e possibility to could go #1.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 28, 2008 10:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

other mocks

Mock date: 2/14/08: http://fantapedia.net/node/202
Rose #2

Mock date: 2/19/08 http://www.sportsagentblog.com/?p=1018
Rose #2

Here’s one from 2007 that has Rose going #1.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 28, 2008 10:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

link

http://walterfootball.com/nbamatt2008.php

This might actually be from Jan 2008, not 2007.

Either way, it has Rose going #1.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 28, 2008 11:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right I see the hype building.....

Rose surfing up to the conversation about whose no. 1. For me I want this team to return back to glory and the way the Bulls are currently constructed they are out of balance. And Rose makes that balance even worst.

Paxson needs to be very smart here and see through the smog and choose the best player for this team regardless of who it maybe.

But as this team is current construct Beasley balances it out with a post player who can fill up the basket. With Rose, Paxson has some deals to make, fast, and looking at history he has been unable to bring in the mostly sought after need – a dominate big man – Gasol, Garnett, J Oneal. etc…

The wrong move now can possible delay this team even further.

by Soloistic on May 28, 2008 11:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey.

I am no more confidant than you that Paxson will be able to swing a deal for a major piece. We’re only different in that I like Rose 51/49 over Beasley in this draft.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 28, 2008 11:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Paxson Trade History

Well with 2 can’t miss players to choose, Paxson possible mistake is making the wrong trade or no trade.

by Soloistic on May 28, 2008 11:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

but i think

we will get a better piece making a trade with our backcourt players to make room for rose (hinrich or sign&trade gordon) rather than trading away our front court to make room for beasley.

i say we draft rose, make a trade with some backcourt players to get a good C, since right now we need something more than having gray be our backup center.

by Jaina on May 29, 2008 9:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

History says...

For one, what team would take a package that includes Kirk for that team’s best PF to accompany a possible Rose selection? Two, what Player, PF, that Rose advocate believe that is out there and his team is willing to trade its best asset for a bunch of avg players? For years Paxson hasn’t been able to make that trade. All the legit PF whose team’s that were willing to rebuild and deal their best player for young guys and picks are gone.

The Bulls are built today to make a Beasley pick fit with it current guards who has done a good job of holding this team together until last year.

Paxson draft selection depends on that trade being available that helps Rose in his 1st, 2nd and 3rd year. The Heat can make Rose or Beasley work regardless of who they choose, because Wade and Marion instantly takes pressure off that rookie, to the fact, he can do nothing but reach his potential fast than whoevers is choosen for the Bulls.

Unless Paxson make that big TRADE, Beasley is the logic selection without Paxson making any trades. Beasley works with the current group. Reality is Beasley or Rose will play better on the Heat.

by Soloistic on May 29, 2008 7:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i said i think we should get a C

not a PF.

and i’m picturing getting someone to backup noah at the 5, since again as i said gray should not be our backup center.

serviceable point guard, for serviceable big man. i’m not saying let’s trade for their best player. though the big-for-small trades don’t occur often. but it might be part of something bigger (noc, i’m looking your way). i don’t know. i just think we might be able to get better parts from dealing hinrich.

by Jaina on May 29, 2008 11:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're making two large assumptions...

...that Beasley will be a great post player in the NBA, and therefore that the Bulls need Beasley.

I don’t believe anybody knows for certain that Beasley is a “can’t miss” prospect. He shows a lot of Grant Hill or Kenyon Martin to me, with very little LeBron James.

Do we know that Beasley will be able to ‘fill up the basket’ in the NBA as an undersized PF who doesn’t handle the ball as well as the top SG/SFs (LeBron & Kobe)? Beasley may just end up getting stuffed by Garnett and Rasheed all the time, or he may get injured trying to bang against much bigger NBA bodies.

You may like Beasley, but by no means is he a can’t-miss-superstar. He’s got even more questions than Derrick Rose to most observers.

by BullsFanInSeattle on May 29, 2008 3:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And Remember....

When LeBron enter the draft, he was the unquestionable No. 1 pick. Cleveland was not debating between Melo or Wade or Darko. The concensus was whatever team won 1st pick got Lebron, it was a lock. Rose (or Beasley) is not the unquestionable player here, but Beasley has alway been the heavy favorite to be pick 1st.

by Soloistic on May 28, 2008 10:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

uh, no he hasn't.

whether it’s all hype-based or not, that simply isn’t true.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 28, 2008 10:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs