Who Should Pax Hire? (POLL)
I'll put these in order of likelihood of being hired:
Thibs: supposed "Defensive Mastermind" before this year. Was his name being thrown around before he got to coach KG? No.
Avery: another "defensive" coach. Won 67 games with Dallas last year, and then couldn't get them past the run and gun Dubs in the first round. Also, choked away a 3-1 lead in The Finals vs. the Heat against his mentor Nelly. The Little General is like Skiles on PCP.
The RIfleman: Chuck Person. He signed with the Sacramento Kings on Wednesday, August 1, 2007, as an assistant coach behind Reggie Theus (thanks to wiki.) Very "emotional" from what I've read on BaB, kicking balls into the stands and such. Helluva shooter in his day.
DeWayneCasey : Retread. FIred unfairly in Minny? Who is this guy?
Terry Porter: Don't know anything about his coaching abilities, except that he got fired by the Bucks. LOVED his game on those early 90's Blazers teams. Against the Bulls in the Finals, he was the second best player on the court after Scottie Pippen.
Mark Jackson: 2nd All Time in Assists. Wants to coach. No Experience. Not impressive as an analyst. Already interviewed, and that makes him unlikely at this point. Donnie Walsh must love him, which is good.
Jeff Hornacek: lobbying for the PHX job, and will probably get it, so doubtful that he lands in Chi.
Brian Shaw: Jackson disciple. Likes to hold the clipboard on camera right after Laker time outs. Master of the Triangle?
Ty Corbin: assistant with Utah Jazz for last four seasons under Jerry Sloan . Hmm, what about Jerry Sloan?
Kurt Rambis: another Jackson disciple.
Scottie Pippen: number 33. Incredible basketball IQ. Can't keep his mouth shut?
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It's a tough vote
considering I don’t know the head coaching abilities of six of the seven options. I picked Avery because I think a high-profile signing signals a new direction, which helps after the Boylan show.
by YaoPau on May 25, 2008 10:19 AM CDT 0 recs
That's kind of funny
after you said you know nothing about his coaching except he got fired.
I voted for him, too. He really did get a raw deal in Milwaukie – did fine the first year, then got fired after a year they had a boatload of injuries, and no one has done crap with the team since.
Here's to the most exciting offseason in a VERY long time!
by wjb1492 on
May 25, 2008 5:14 PM CDT
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Don't forget
Kurt Rambis, Brian Shaw, and Tyrone Corbin as potential candidates. Yes, it would have been nice to hire Carlisle or D’Antoni and gotten this over with. But, at least we now have something else to speculate on!
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2008 10:33 AM CDT 0 recs
Um, Pippen?
I doubt he’s getting any calls. Don’t you remember how he essentially trashed the whole roster in January?
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by Ozzie Montana on
May 25, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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yes, i remember
but was he right? yes. too many midgets in the backcourt is one of my favorite quotes ever.
by Orlando Woolridge on
May 25, 2008 10:48 AM CDT
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He was right
But he’s not winning much respect around the organization speaking his mind.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on
May 25, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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including Pip was a mistake
not taking it out now.
by Orlando Woolridge on
May 25, 2008 2:20 PM CDT
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Other?
I have a feeling the eventual winner is not yet among the front runners.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 25, 2008 10:46 AM CDT 0 recs
who are you driving at?
Cal, Hubie, Collins, Silas, Wilkins, JVG?
i would take any of them (sans Cal) over anyone on this list.
by Orlando Woolridge on
May 25, 2008 11:23 AM CDT
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yeesh
You’d be better off with some semblance of being aware of reality. Hubie isn’t coaching again, and the ‘who is this guy?’ crap is crap. You’re on the internet, it’s not tough to find at least vague background information, or better yet, how successful these guys were in their last job.
by hscs on
May 25, 2008 11:43 AM CDT
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yikes
who pissed in your cheerios this morning.
if you care so much about Casey, look it up yourself.
by Orlando Woolridge on
May 25, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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nor is it just this morning
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 25, 2008 12:10 PM CDT
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i think i've been cited by the blog police!
by Orlando Woolridge on
May 25, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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no, let it out
you feel better now, at least a little bit. ;-) And hopefully we won’t get a “Who is this guy” choice next time.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on
May 26, 2008 10:14 PM CDT
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I don’t know that I have any specific coach in mind.
It’s more that I suspect a "dark horse" candidate to emerge. Maybe that’s Doug Collins. Wasn’t his disinterest specifically in regards to being considered second banana to D’Antoni—the putative ‘defensive consultant’?
The Bulls getting the #1 pick completely changed the game. What coach wouldn’t want to have his name and legacy linked to what many are calling the most spectacular athlete ever to play the position? Dougie had that chance once. Do you think he wouldn’t want another stab at it?
Also, what ever happened to the evanescent Izzo campaign?
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 25, 2008 11:48 AM CDT
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izzo said he's got his best class ever coming in
and he’s not leaving.
offer him 4 mil though and he might change his mind.
Collins would be fantastic.
by Orlando Woolridge on
May 25, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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Terry Porter seems to be in the Paxson mold
I like him. He got screwed in MIL.
deserves a second chance.
by Orlando Woolridge on May 25, 2008 11:30 AM CDT 0 recs
why i voted for Porter
1. Former FANTASTIC player. Guts. Played best in big games. Thus, instantly commands respect from the likes of Deng, Noah, and Thomas.
2. He’s a point guard. Better to tutor young master Rose.
3. Local guy.
4. Steady. Steady Eddie is this guy. He’s not too much of a player friendly coach, but he also doesn’t seem to be a massive ball buster. The question is, how would he be after an 5 game losing streak, which we are sure to have?
Let’s face it. We are gambling with any of the guys listed on this poll. Let’s get a guy with experience (retread, yes), took a marginal team to the playoffs before being fired by a clueless owner, was a great player, played the same position as our future #1 pick, and has paid his dues as an assistant. Most importantly, he is a WINNER.
i hope he interviews well.
by Orlando Woolridge on May 25, 2008 11:43 AM CDT 0 recs
I would have also put Calipari
He would flourish with our team
by Option27 on May 25, 2008 12:04 PM CDT 0 recs
i prolly should have put him on there, ces't la vie
i’ll count that as one write in for Cal.
but i don’t think it’s a realistic possibility.
him and Pax are like polar opposites.
by Orlando Woolridge on
May 25, 2008 12:09 PM CDT
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One more
vote for Cal. The key is his openness to change and adaptation. He was willing to scrap his entire offensive philosophy for an unproven system he thought would produce better results. Moreover, he has much more star-power and leadership “intangibles” than anyone else on the list. I think he’d be tempted to take the job if we drafted Rose, Pax issues aside, because he has something to prove. His last stint in the NBA was a disaster. Whoever takes over this team will be the beneficiary of a vastly improved record, because it is inconceivable that we could suck as much as last year. With the right coach and a couple of good trades, I like this team to contend in the Eastern conference. Everyone wants to prove last year was an anomaly.
by Cannoli on
May 25, 2008 2:13 PM CDT
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Um, person has been an assistant in Indiana and Sac-Town
Not Utah. Ty Corbin is the guy who’s been with Sloan the last 4 seasons.
That said, I want Corbin or Shaw.
by Illini15 on May 25, 2008 12:41 PM CDT 0 recs
Interesting
that as of now the combination of Shaw and Rambis has a total of 9 votes, which leads the voting. These two could be viewed as essentially the same—Jackson disciples.
by hlac on May 25, 2008 12:59 PM CDT 0 recs
I voted for Shaw
based mostly on the interview someone posted in diaries a while ago. But the Jackson part doesn’t hurt.
I still have a hard time believing this is the best that we can do… but hey, I guess this is how you find the next Phil Jackson.
by potato0328 on
May 25, 2008 1:13 PM CDT
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I voted on Shaw
Exactly because of being a Jackson disciple. After all, Jackson was the only one coach that could lead us to a championship. I know MJ was important, but in LA he also won championships and he is contending for one right now. So, maybe Shaw could teach this guys the Jackson style.
My second pick would be Thibs and Avery would be the third. The other ones don’t give me much confidence
When are you going to do something good Pax?
by bull83 on
May 25, 2008 3:03 PM CDT
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STORMIN NORMIN!!!!! as coach
rodman and pippen as assistant coaches. hell if the team sucks this
team will have the most entertaining press conferences in the league
by serbstream on May 25, 2008 1:19 PM CDT 0 recs
stormin norman
and Red Kerr as co coaches. it would be the most awesome thing ever
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"-Bluto Blutarsky
by sap on
May 25, 2008 8:13 PM CDT
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Who in God's name is voting for Pip?
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!
by 1958ChiTown on May 25, 2008 2:12 PM CDT 0 recs
Probably Scottie himself
Assuming his computer hasn’t been repossessed yet, that is.
by Big D on
May 25, 2008 3:18 PM CDT
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I'm sure they have laptops in Sweeden
Or whatever country he’s playing in.
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by Ozzie Montana on
May 25, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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Positive Rambis Interview
Nothing highly revelatory, but he does seem to fit a Paxson mold as a no-nonsense, “Play the game the way it was meant to be played” kind of guy. As a scrappy player in his heydey with championship experience, he could re-ignite that defensive intensity and hustle that was obviously non-existent this season.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2008 5:12 PM CDT 0 recs
Another good interview
Seems to know the game pretty well, and loves the triangle like any true Phil disciple. Here’s my question about the triangle… isn’t it essential the anti-dribble drive motion offense? So, in the (pretty likely) event that we draft Rose, does this take the fullest advantage of his skills? I know that Phil and disciples would probably say yes, the triangle is always best… any thoughts here?
by potato0328 on
May 26, 2008 1:13 AM CDT
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There are certainly some similarities, but also some key differences.
You might say it’s like the difference between a concerto and a symphony. They both involve an entire orchestra, but where a symphony is primarily about the piece as a whole, a concerto is designed to "show-off" the talents of one particular player.
In fact, the Latin phrase "ad libertas" would be hand-written in the score to indicate where the featured performer (the pianist in a piano concerto, the violinist in a violin concerto, etc) would be expected to improvise a solo that would eventually lead back into the score—not that much different from a "live" performance a rock concert-goer of today would expect to hear…or a Memphis Tigers fan of last season.
Historically, concertos were always considered to be more exciting than straight symphonies—because of the element of risk and creativity the performer might or might not demonstrate on a particular evening.
If we draft Rose, I’d want a coach who brought with him an offense designed to show-off Rose’s incredible skill and other-worldly talents. This, I think, rules out the little Napoleon…and possibly strengthens the cases of Thibs and maybe even Calipari.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 26, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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the triangle is not a good fit for a pg dominated team
The triangle is designed to get the ball to somebody in the post with his teammates properly spaced around him. It wouldn’t take advantage of Rose’s presumed abilities to take his man off of the dribble, which is pretty much what Alec said.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on
May 26, 2008 10:20 PM CDT
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Scottie
Cmon guys he needs the money! If I was a player in Chicago and I got to vote on that list id pick Scottie. I know some people on here are young and all but Scottie Pippen was the second best player in the leauge for alot of years.
by TRiCioNeRo on May 25, 2008 10:08 PM CDT 0 recs
Being low on cash doesn't necessarily mean he'll be a good head coach
What it does mean is Scottie needs to stay away from the car dealership business. Scottie was a great compliment to Jordan, but the second best player of his era? I don’t know about that one either.
by RogersPark Kris on
May 25, 2008 11:16 PM CDT
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yes, but Kirk is scared of him
"Rose doesn't do anything at a special level."
--californiachicagoan
by Orlando Woolridge on
May 26, 2008 4:49 AM CDT
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thibs
The link to thibs thoroughly impressed me. “In his now 17 NBA seasons, Thibodeau has helped his team finish in the NBA’s Top 10 in team defense 14 times.”
Talk about assistants finally getting there due… It’d be a mistake to cast him off as too similar to Skiles simply because he can coach D. Skiles’s problem was the fact that he’d burn teams out. If you’re in the league 17 seasons and can do what Thibodeau has done, you can connect with players very well. Especially with the signing of Rose (which is a given), our offense can definitely survive being an up-tempo free-flow type of style which Thibs can allow Rose to facilitate.
Defense is what has and will be the anchor of this team. Let’s also not forget Rose’s potential on D. Thibs would undoubtedly maximize this given his track record as a teacher/preacher of defense as well as the D of Tyrus/Deng/Sefolosha/Noah. Our team is built for solid, suffocating D. With Rose running the point we got all the offense we need. Rose driving to the hole and/or dishing to an open Deng/Hughes/Gordon is all we need. Even our bigs would improve offensively. Look at what paul did for chandler in NO. If he can play O with a talented pg, anyone can. Is it that big a stretch to think tyrus thomas won’t thrive off Rose’s dishes a la Amare Stoudemire?
No.
And as far as Thibs is concerned, to make a cross-league reference, he reminds me an awful lot of Lovie Smith: a defensive schemer finally getting his due. Aside from the superbowl hangover, Smith has elevated the Bears above their previous level of play into a talented, capable team. Thibs it is. No doubt.
by ragingbull on May 26, 2008 3:02 AM CDT 0 recs
Kerr is moving on Shaw
per Hoopshype
"Rose doesn't do anything at a special level."
--californiachicagoan
by Orlando Woolridge on May 26, 2008 1:41 PM CDT 0 recs
Ettore Messina is likely
the best choice if you want a proven/successful pedigree type, though it’s (only) in Europe, and he may not be available. Still, the D’Antoni tease had me dreaming….and this guy’s gonna coach NBA some day soon. I have a feeling he’s even better.
Poll leaders are Avery and Scottie (????). Yet, Avery burned out his team a la Skiles, so I don’t see this working at all. (But at least he didn’t quit.) And Scottie? I almost wish the Pip voters would identify their posts/comments with a scarlet “S” (Bulls Red). Other than TRi, I can’t imagine who you are (TRi voting multi-times?)!
(I used to have “Noah for player/coach” sig, but it was a joke!)
Of the assistants, Thibodeau is my fav. I guess Rose’s college coach might be okay, but doesn’t he seem a little goofy to anyone else re: his #1 pick interviews? Maybe Shaw…
Porter I like too, but he seems tailor made for the Suns, who seem to need a non-rookie coach desperately.
I really don’t trust Paxson/Reinsdorf to pick the right guy. Reinsdorf’s “We thought we had a good one” quote bothers me. But really, I always thought that Skiles was better than his rep when he left here (PHX). So while I favored hiring Skiles, isn’t it the GM’s job to know better than me, an ignorant fan?
My short list of Coach’s pre-requisites:
1) Flexible enough to play to/with roster “strengths”. Bulls players are more notable for there defensive ability than their offense. This is fine, since it’s what earns youngsters an NBA career. But it must return as the team’s identity.
And with PFs playing C (Noah, etc.), the team must run for those easier transition scores. It won’t happen so easily against DET and BOS, but the focus on defense and team play in half court offense will see them through.
2) He must play the young players! One great result of the number one pick is that it should only reinforce the idea that the Bulls should be shooting for greatness 2-3 years from now, rather than scratching and clawing to get 50 wins and the resultant playoff seeding. Somebody with the balls to make Larry Hughes the new Duhon, a situational guy that is used even less, I (and dare I say most of us) pray. This was the big appeal of D’Antoni, to me. If Pax’s coach has the vision to play Noah/TT/Thabo before Gooden/Noc/Hughes, the Bulls are liable to make the playoffs like the Sixers did last year, complete with rosey future. (No pun intended.)
3) Respect…Connect…Communication. Phil seems to be the best at this, maybe why he’s league’s best? Everyone else falls short someway or other (Riley: Grueling practices, tanker, leaves team w/ injuries. Pop: Wins it all every other year w/Duncan and Ginobili, best attitudes in NBA, so he hasn’t really been tested with failure. I wonder how he’d have dealt w/ Kobe.), but he’s unavailable, duh!
Point being, he should have wisdom. Not only with the roster and Xs and Os, but with people and life. Or have potential to (quickly) develop some, like the Phil Jax model.
Please forgive the obvious. I’m just wildly trying to guess who will meet some of this criteria.
The public wants what the public gets....
by marionette on May 26, 2008 3:06 PM CDT 0 recs
looks like Blog A Bull is split pretty evenly between
Shaw, Avery, and Thibs.
"Rose doesn't do anything at a special level."
--californiachicagoan
by Orlando Woolridge on May 27, 2008 8:49 PM CDT 0 recs
I think Shaw is out of the running, at least until the draft
If Paxson takes Rose, the triangle is not going to be a great fit. We would want to highlight Rose’s athletic ability and give him the chance to dominate the ball a good amount, and that’s not what the triangle is about. Avery seems like a good bet on paper because of his PG and defensive status. Tirico was on Waddle and Silvy today, and talked about how Avery puts an inordinate amount of pressure on his PG, and was even pretty hard on Kidd after he came on the team. Is that what we really need to bring to the team?
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on
May 27, 2008 11:48 PM CDT
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according to KC
Sources said Paxson came away impressed from his interview with Lakers assistant Kurt Rambis. That doesn’t rule out similar connections with other candidates.
by NormVanBeer on
May 28, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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I'm beginning to think Paxson just loves to hear buzz words
Rambis is a guy who likes to talk about “playing the right way, play hard, scrap for the ball, blah blah.” I bet I can get an interview if I just leak a 2 page essay saying I love to preach defense and demand a strong work ethic out of my players.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on
May 28, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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I'm beginning to think Paxson just has no clue who he wants
...the end of the search will come with him pulling a name out of a hat
by NormVanBeer on
May 28, 2008 11:57 AM CDT
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If Detroit gets eliminated by Boston
will the Bulls still require Detroit’s permission in order to talk to Michael Curry?
In other words, is the permission issue strictly about the fact he’s an employee of the Pistons, or is it that the Pistons get to make the call only as long as they’re still involved in the play-offs?
Here’s a nice little Curry story, titled, Curry wants shot as head coach, from mlivedotcom.
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2007/10/curry_wants_shot_as_head_coach.html
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 28, 2008 7:52 PM CDT 0 recs
I think it's because he's an employee
Also, there might be some sort of division rival hullabaloo going on if the Bulls are still required to seek permission when Detroit is knocked out of the playoffs.
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by Ozzie Montana on
May 29, 2008 1:13 AM CDT
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it's definitely
because he’s an employee. i mean, he did sign a contract. i think the reason they are unwilling to allow curry to interview is that they hope he will take over for flip eventually – not anything of bulls vs. suns in terms of interviewing assistants. they’d probably allow us to interview terry porter if we wanted.
by Jaina on
May 29, 2008 9:28 AM CDT
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huh?
Aren’t all of the other assistants that have been interviewed, aren’t they considered “employees” too? Aren’t they under contract as well?
The person being an “employee” or having a signed contract has nothing to do with it. Wasn’t D’Antoni an employee of the Suns and under signed contract? The Pistons just flat out don’t want to give permission.
by NormVanBeer on
May 29, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
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well the only reason there's even an issue of 'permission'
is because he’s an employee under contract.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
May 29, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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no
you misinterpreted what i said. i said he needs permission because he’s an employee under contract. d’antoni and the like all got permission from their employers.
i’m saying that they’re denying permission in this case because it’s believed they want curry to take over for flip. i don’t think that it’s bad blood between the pistons and the bulls or something – i think if they wanted to interview porter (like phoenix did) they would grant that. or if phoenix wanted to interview curry, they wouldn’t allow it.
by Jaina on
May 29, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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ah ok
gotcha. You’re right, I did misunderstand. Thanks.
by NormVanBeer on
May 29, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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I think the whole Flip succession thing is clearly the reason
they want to keep the lid on Curry. But that’s not my question.
The Pistons are blocking assistant coach Curry from getting interviewed for a head coaching position.
The NFL protocol is that a team cannot disallow another team from interviewing an assistant coach if the position being interviewed for would be an upgrade. In other words, if this were the NFL, Detroit would be obligated to offer permission to Chicago.
There may be procedural circumstances in which they could delay the interview—maybe they can lock-out potential suitors until after Detroit either wins or gets eliminated. What are the rules in the NBA? Does anybody know?
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 29, 2008 10:06 AM CDT
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It's pretty easy to infer
If the Bulls have to ask for permission to speak with Curry about the head coaching job and the Pistons have the right to refuse, then the the NBA is obviously not like the NFL and is willing to let organizations cock block their assistants as long as they are under contract. C’mon alec, you’ve taken less information to create much larger conspiracy theories













