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Ford thinks Rose will be the pick (and other draft tips)

[From the Fanposts. I inferred the same things Ford did from that podcast -ed.]

One of the stops on the Paxson Media Tour after winning the lottery was a podcast sitdown with Chad Ford. After hearing the usual Pax speak about wanting a leader, Ford has done a 180 (its a free preview insider article) and thinks Rose will be the pick and the the conventinal wisdom around the Association is that Rose will be the guy unless Rose does something dumb or Beasley does something great.

 

 

Star-divide

If the rumors about Beasley being 6'7'' or 6'8'' are correct than this is the way we should go. They are both great players, but if Beasley is a tweener he really adds nothing new to the mix as we are crowded with guys that are tweeners in the front court. Meanwhile Rose can give us a up tempo pass-first PG who lets us be able to run with anybody.

As for other draft rumblings:

* The 2nd player on Miami's board might be OJ Mayo. It looks like Riley thinks his style of play is a very good match for Wade and that Miami will try to flip picks with Minnesota or Seattle and try to add another piece to the team.

* D'Andre Jordan will almost for sure be a top 10 pick.

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I think DeAndre is going to be a top 5 pick

I can’t find the link, but there were reports one team in the top 5 has promised to pick him if he pledges to not work out for any other team.

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by Ozzie Montana on May 23, 2008 11:08 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i dont understand

why teams use that high of a pick on project big man, they hardly work out and its just a waste of a pick. I wonder what the % of project big men actually pan out??

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by tyrus4prez on May 23, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who knows

Jordan has the biggest bust potential, but he could also be the next Dwight Howard. I think he’s a good fit for Memphis anyways. They don’t have a starting center and they’d be damn athletic with Gay, Warrick, Jordan, and Conley. (Kwame Brown, Darko, Jason Collins=FAIL).

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by Ozzie Montana on May 23, 2008 11:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is absolutely no chance that DeAndre Jordan is the next Dwight Howard!

At the same age that Jordan was a middling and unpreductive college player, Howard was producing in the NBA. This is a huge area where some NBA teams need to reconsider their drafting strategies – drafting on the chance of DeAndre Jordan being Dwight Howard is just plain stoopid. No matter how big or strong he is, if he’s a bad college basketball player at 18 years old the liklihood of him being a star NBA player is next to nothing.

He certainly may possess the physical abilities to improve quite a bit, but NBA teams are foolish if they see that type of upside in an 18-year old kid who’s bad at basketball.

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by Jivas on May 23, 2008 4:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I could definitely see Minnesota swapping picks

Judging by the way Fred Hoiberg nearly threw dropped his lucky teddy bear upon hearing how he got the #3 pick, you can tell he really wanted either Rose or Beasley.

by RogersPark Kris on May 23, 2008 11:13 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two things Ford said that I don't get

1. When he had the Bulls picking Beasley, he said that for the entire year, GMs “scoffed” at anyone but Beasley being # 1, but now he says,”For several years NBA teams have ranked Mayo as the top prospect in his draft class.” Huh?

2. If Beasley is so great, why aren’t the Heat interested in him? The Heat traded Shaq, and lost their post presence, and Ford says Beasley “would be a good fit in Miami,” but it sounds like they’re passing on Beasley too.

by Rodmaniac on May 23, 2008 11:56 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he is 6'7'' or 6'8''

he is Shawn Marion without being a stud defender thats why and the fact Miami has a 2 year window to win before Wade is a FA has them in a win-now mode to get as many pieces as possible. I think Seattle is a partner for Miami because they can give them Collison or Wilcox to give them some post presence.

by Devin47 on May 23, 2008 12:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rumor mill is in full effect

I’ve already read today a rumor that Utah might trade Boozer to Miami. Apparently Riley is so active in talks with teams in the league that other clubs are looking to deal to Miami players they expect to opt out early. Since Miami has the cap space, the pick, and some contract players that could be moving, Riley has positioned himself as the offseason kingmaker.

by NBA Observer on May 23, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

stolen from hoopshype

But the “trade Boozer” notion has less to do with any of that and more to do with the option he can exercise at the end of next season to become an unrestricted free agent. Boozer can walk away from the Jazz and sign with whichever club he chooses, according to the terms of his contract. Rumor is that the Miami Heat are preliminarily making him a priority target. Considering Boozer has a home in south Florida, and his child’s health condition reportedly is aggravated by altitude, and remembering the way Boozer deserted the Cleveland Cavs to sign his current deal with the Jazz, is a trade the best way to protect themselves from any such scenario? Salt Lake Tribune

by The90sBullsRevival on May 23, 2008 1:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Heat have given up on Brand already?

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by snley on May 23, 2008 1:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

The Heat are just in a very different market today than they were when they tried to lure Brand through restricted free agency.

Brand is still an option. The question for Riley is are there better options in the current market.

by NBA Observer on May 23, 2008 1:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boozer and the Jazz pick to the Heat for Beasley and contracts

make alot of sense. Beasley can be as productive as Boozer in that system for a 1/3 of the price and the Heat get a guy that is a good compliment player to a superstar.

by Devin47 on May 23, 2008 3:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And that would be the final stake...

through the hearts of Sonics fans. They get arguably the best college player in back to back drafts in Durant and Beasley (assuming they make the trade) and with the light at the end of a long tunnel getting brighter and brighter they get run over as that light turns out to be the headlights of the Allied moving vans.

Sorry, just had to get my Sonics to OKC frustration out. That whole situation has been a joke, but Sam Presti is a pretty good GM so I don’t doubt he’s already thinking about teaming these guys together.

by CubFan81 on May 24, 2008 7:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ridiculous

Beasley’s offensive game is 10 times more polished that Marion’s already and he’s only 19. Some of these comparisons I’ve seen for Beasley are absurd. The guy is also already more beefy than Marion, has a post up game, has a better jump shot and combines good athleticism with better skill. People are really making some big stretches in order to downplay Beasley.

by JSlakov on May 25, 2008 12:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm officially sick of draft talk

You’re seriously attacking exaggerated Beasley criticism by hurling hyperbole at it? I quit.

by hscs on May 25, 2008 12:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because Riley likes bigs who play like bigs

He already has a 3/4 hybrid that he’s probably going to let walk after this season. In the past he made a concerted effort to bring over Elton Brand, and there are rumors he’s targeting Boozer over the next year or so. And Riley has had Patrick, Zo, and Shaq over the years and probably knows a legit big when he sees one. Beasley will play facing the basket and on the perimeter more than most analysts seem to acknowledge. I still don’t know why most people keep saying B-Easy will address the Bulls post scoring needs. This guy does not play like an Al Jefferson for chrissake. It’s one thing to say he’s a hell of a scorer, it’s another to say he solves the post scoring void. He may very well not do that at all, and that risk is not worth passing up Rose for.

by messwiththebull on May 23, 2008 12:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right. The guy he ends up sounding like

When you say,

Beasley will play facing the basket and on the perimeter more than most analysts seem to acknowledge.

the guy he ends up sounding like is Al Harrington. Not Tim Duncan.

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by bullhockey on May 23, 2008 12:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally agree

I just don’t get why the “experts” like Ford and Scoop Jackson think Beasley is a POST scoring machine, and two teams that could use a post scorer aren’t interested.

by Rodmaniac on May 23, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

because...they're just like most of us

they’ve watched a few regular season games, caught the tournament games, and YouTube’d most of the highlights. They’re only offering what they’ve seen. If anybody really studied both of them (of which I have not) then maybe they would have something different to offer.

by NormVanBeer on May 23, 2008 12:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please do not use the word ‘expert’ and Scoop Jackson in the same sentence again.

Lil' Jon, he always tells the truth.

by upther on May 23, 2008 12:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would think

that those guys know more about the players than you and I combined. All we see is articles and YouTube clips. That doesn’t mean that they are correct on their opinions now. The way I see it is when a franchise has wanted a Post presence for years and one is practically falling in their lap out of sheer luck, you’d think they would go for it. Especially considering that it’s not just any PF, but one that has been the consensus #1 for an entire year and a projected 20-10 type of player. He’s even been called a Point Forward.

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by Goostafer on May 23, 2008 12:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd be interested if a credible source called him a point forward.

I haven’t read that anywhere. And I haven’t seen it in his game.

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by Scotter on May 23, 2008 1:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not good enough

he’d have to be a pure point forward.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 23, 2008 1:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah!

If that’s the case then I’m wrong. I’m sure I read it somewhere. I’m paraphrasing, “He’s like KG without the length” I can’t find it now and it doesn’t help that my job blocks ESPN, which is where I think I read it. I’ll post a link when I get home tonight. And yes, I doub’t he’s a Pure Point Forward :(. He is the total package as a PF.

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by Goostafer on May 23, 2008 1:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a point forward

is a forward that can handle the ball and set up the offense. Odom, Pippen, Lebron, et al.

by NBA Observer on May 23, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

I wasn’t asking for a definition, although I appreciate it. And I didn’t call him a Point Forward, I said I read him being described as such.

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by Goostafer on May 23, 2008 2:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did too.

but it might have just been here in someone’s extrapolation.

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by alec on May 23, 2008 2:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

It was somewhere else. I’ll post a link later tonight

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by Goostafer on May 23, 2008 2:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cool

I see what you’re saying. I see the term “point forward” used a lot and too many people seem to think that’s any kind of forward that will score you points.

by NBA Observer on May 23, 2008 4:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably you for sure

if you just automatically defer to their expert opinion and discount your opinion, it must be because you haven’t watched the player more than the YouTube clips.

And last I heard, Point Forward doesn’t sound like post presence to me. It sounds more like a 3/4 hybrid. I’m fine with my 3 being a point forward, but I’ll be damned if my 4 is my point forward. The last 4 who played point forward that I can remember was Anthony Mason for George Karl’s Bucks.

by messwiththebull on May 23, 2008 4:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is Chad Ford an expert?

I view him as more of an information aggregator. Pro scouts, GMs, player personnel folks, players and agents all seem to talk to him. Parsing that information into a player analysis is another story.

by NBA Observer on May 23, 2008 1:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And you, of course.

Don’t forget yourself as the expert information agitator.

by tyger1147 on May 23, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More of

an information perferator, I think.

by Cannoli on May 23, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pretty sure

he meant for the entire college basketball season, meaning as soon as Beasley started having 30 point, 20 rebound games which was pretty early on and Mayo was disappointing, they had him at #1.

by JSlakov on May 25, 2008 12:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mayo was the #1 prospect

in his class from his high school freshman year till midway through his senior year when Rose and Beasley and, in some circles, Gordon overtook him.

by YaoPau on May 23, 2008 3:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Riley's picking record

is pretty good when taking talent over position. By that I’m referring of course to Dwyane Wade. The Heat already had an All-Star SG in Eddie Jones, so the assumption was that Wade would fall to the Bulls, but not so.

It’s an interesting contrast to the Bulls, who seem to always be on the wrong side of this kind of decision. They drafted Fizer when they had Brand, and then drafted Noah when they had Thomas.

Anyway, the Bulls will draft according to need and according to talent if they pick Rose.

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by bullhockey on May 23, 2008 12:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Riley is trying to play bothsides

Riley opened up his hand to make it known he wants Rose and is willing to trade the 2nd best pick in the Draft or go after MayO because the guy he wants most likely won’t be available when he’s picking. The consensus is that Rose and Beasley are 1 & 2. The only question is that which player would dominate, transform the game from years to come. Therefore if you can’t get the Best player you take the next best. Riley is trying to play bothside: hoping some GM falls for the hype and is will to mortgage the future for Beasley or Rose or try to convince Paxson that Rose is the can’t lose pick when Beasley is his player all along. Basically Paxson needs to do his homework and filter out the nonsense.

by Soloistic on May 23, 2008 3:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey everyone...changed my sn from RingItUp26...

since Wayne Larrivee is not doing Bulls games anymore.

Anyway, first off, I think Rose is the guy, and for the Bulls, I think there are many street posts full of signs that point to taking Rose.

Here’s one: like Devin47 wrote, there are many more questions about Beasley’s size and position than there are about Rose’s. A 6’4 pure point guard vs. a PF with questions about his size, position, and interior defense? Hmmm…

Just after turning on the TV, I saw Wade, Hoiberg, and some other guy....

by MouseIsInTheHouse on May 23, 2008 12:49 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpyAf0Iz6UY&feature=related

Take a look at this and then tell me how in hell we are not going to draft Beasley…

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by Vangelis on May 23, 2008 1:13 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll tell you how

because I can’t click the link, that’s why. hahahahahaah

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 23, 2008 1:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fixed Link ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpyAf0Iz6UY&feature=related

Beasley will be talented NBA SF, might even make the all star team as a small forward, yet only if his attitude and “mental” are in proper alignment? Why “Kansas State?”

Derrick Rose will compete against Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Tony Parker as one of the top three PG in the NBA for many years. It appears at his current level of development and his current age he already is ahead of all three.

by exult463 on May 23, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You've convinced me - Beasley should be our 3

Let’s draft Rose #1 than offer Riley a package built around Deng, whom he presumably covets, and use that to take Beasley, because after that very indicative YouTube montage, I’m more convinced than ever this guy can be a great, great 3. The 6’ 8” athletic frame, the way he led the end-to-end fast break, the threes, the 18 ft. jumpers, the drives to the lane, no one doubts he’ sgoing to be a monster. Now if you say the Bulls should draft a monster who is the most proflic scorer, that’s one thing. To say this guy is the post presence the Bulls have been looking for all these years, well, he doesn’t play like Pau Gasol or Elton Brand.

by messwiththebull on May 23, 2008 4:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

god I hate Pat Riley

does anyone really believe there’s any way the Heat trade #2? If the Bulls had that pick, what would it take for you to want it to be dealt?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 23, 2008 4:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was being facetious

But yes, the Heat would require something like the #3 and Brewer or the #4 and Jeff Green in my opinion.

by messwiththebull on May 23, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think for a legit superstar

like Carmelo or Dirk because I think he fears Dwade leaving in ‘10.

by Devin47 on May 23, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those guys won't cut it

Dirk will be 32+ in ‘10 and Carmelo will turn snitch by ‘10 and look at what you have to pay those guys to not get you past the first round.

by messwiththebull on May 23, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Messwiththebull

that would be the biggest hijack, hitting a blackjack deal in probably the history of the NBA during a draft. Actually any player on the current roster besides (TT and Noah) to make the deal with the heat happen and force Riley into a early retirement with the Heat team. And if necessary, maybe (TT).

We could sweeten the deal by offering him (Riley) the Bulls coaching job for two years and then promote him to President of Basketball operations and have Paxson reporting to him.

by exult463 on May 23, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just listened

and Pax sounds like a Rose man, but why does he keep mentioning “false” reports. Give it up John it’s part of the job!! I’m excited for the possibility of Rose running the team for a long long time

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by tyrus4prez on May 23, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup

there was some classic Pax paranoia in there.

I like how he rails on how “that business” doesn’t apply to the Bulls. Yet he’s on Chad Ford’s podcast.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 23, 2008 1:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know I represent the minority on this

But I really am a fan of Pax’s deliberate and patient approach when it comes to the coaching search. I know it would have been nice to have a coach by now, but I get what he is saying when he talks about sitting down with a candidate, and knowing without a doubt that this is the dude for the job. I appreciate that he is taking this seriously, and isn’t rushing into a decision just for the sake of it. I understand why people on here get frustrated with him and his slow-poke approach, but at least he isn’t reckless, which would be equally as annoying. I would rather have a more deliberate, patient GM, as opposed to some gunslinger. Thats just my opinion.
Now on to the pick
the question i keep asking myself is who is going to make the better pro? Beasley is a monster, but will he stand out big time when it comes to other PF in the league? I am not sure. Can he even play the 4, or is he going to be a little too small. i dont want to hate on Beasley, but I have a feeling he will not turn into the super-duper star the bulls covet. But with rose, the guy is a monster when it comes to PG’s. And the bulls need a leader, someone who is in control and make good decisions on the court. plus, when rose runs the open court, it is scary. he is so fast! rose will be just as effective in the paint as beasley, think tony parker. but rose can play shutdown defense, too, and is only going to improve. plus, the will to win is what impresses me more than anything else. match that quiet passion with noah’s flair, but same desire to win, and we could be watching something very special take place. rose is going to make all of our guys better, like a lot better. deng can get open looks when the d collapses on rose, same with bg. and noah and tyrus will be dunking and lay up machines with rose running around out there. there is no doubt that beasley is tempting, but when a complete talent like rose comes around, you dont pass it up.

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by CONOR6 on May 23, 2008 3:51 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do take note of your comments, positively..

but I do have to say this time “welcome aboard”.

by exult463 on May 23, 2008 4:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Draft and Bulls future

Personally, I think we should draft Rose just to piss off the Knicks and D’Antoni.

But seriously, either Rose or Beasley could work with the right retooling of the Bulls roster. We just have to cross our fingers and hope that whomever we choose turns into the legitimate star that the Bulls need as a focal point.

Rose seems better fitted by position and personality to help some of our other projects reach their promising potential (Deng, TT, Noah). Management hopefully knows whether or not these projects are worth waiting for.

Unless we pull an all or nothing Boston move, we are still looking at least a few years down the road and we need at least one of our projects to become a star for us to compete. You could just chuck some of these projects to make room for Beasley, but will then be left with a bounty of serviceable but generally overpaid one-dimentional guards (outside of Thabo, also a project). We need more complete players.

by BullsEye on May 23, 2008 3:52 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chicago Have We forgotten the Past...

I am from Chicago and watch every game for the the past 34 years. Especially the ones that showed the Bulls to be a one dimensional because of the lack of post presense (After Mike). We brought in Fizer, Brand, Chandler, Curry, PJ Brown, Joe Smith, Noah, Wallace and Thomas to shore up our post problem since Krause was GM. We had the answer in Brand but Krause traded him for a unproven High Schooler in order to duplicate what the Spurs had with Duncan and Roberson. Those new PGs that is tearing up the league right now haven’t won anything and the ones who have like Parker had Duncan to help him through his learning curve. And without Duncan, Parker will be ringless just like Kidd, AI, Nash and Baron Davis. For Chicago to overlook the need for a Post Player after going after Gasol and Garnett for the past 2 years is ridiculous. Our guards stock is so low we couldn’t bring Wallace back.

by Soloistic on May 23, 2008 3:59 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no one would dispute our awful track record with post players

however, just because we’ve made mistakes in the past, it should not cloud your judgment when it comes to a player like Drose.

we have three big men on the roster now Gooden, TT, and Noah. Gooden showed (as much as I hate to admit it) the ability to score last year. He is serviceable at PF. Tyrus is growing, and hopefully he brings his A game this year. That’s two power forwards.

Plus, 2010 is set to be the biggest FA summer ever. It’s not like we will be winning a title next year anyway, so you take the Rose and let it bloom for two years We bide our time til that big offseason of 2010(Wade), and add a couple pieces and drop some in the meantime (Hinrich, Noc, Grey, maybe Gordon) in the meantime.

by Orlando Woolridge on May 23, 2008 6:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not Duncan Per se

But Rose needs a post player to help during his rookie year as DW5 had with Boozer, CP3 with West, Parker with Duncan and so on.

by Soloistic on May 23, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cp3 has tyson

Rose will have tyrus who is more more athletic and capable

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by 234L on May 23, 2008 4:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cp3 has West

with no dis 2 Tyson or Tyrus.

by exult463 on May 23, 2008 4:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how come no one is pointing out the obvious?

the main reason david west is david west, all-star, is because of chris paul. obviously, its not the only reason, but it always helps to be the beneficiary of a talent like cp3. david west is a great player no doubt, but its not like he is karl malone out there. his main offense is hitting open jump shots because the d is trying to contain cp3. tyrus has the ability to be better than david west, and with a talented, dynamic guard like rose, the sky is the limit for ty

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by CONOR6 on May 23, 2008 5:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely a possibility...but

your buddy “Pax”, would have to make a better commitment to player development since his lame hire of “Skiles” never took player development as one of his coach’s duties.

Tyrus supposely will be working out with the Thorpe group, this is a step in the right direction, but we need this function internally together with injection of team building comradary. I believe the Bulls to be naive if we only leave “this duty” to Derrick Rose without making a culture change.

I believe not only our Bigs are deficient in development, but also Kirk was not mentored and developed as he should have been. Same goes for other players on the roster.

by exult463 on May 23, 2008 6:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Furthermore

I don’t envision Kirk hanging around in a position to mentor Rose, Actually I don’t believe Kirk has much to offer him at this point. But if Kirk remains with the team, then go find and hire someone like (Kevin Johnson or John Stockton, secondarily.. Derick Harper or Mark Price) to mentor both Kirk and Rose for one year. Kirk’s value would skyrock as him and Rose make the best competitive use of what available time each is given.

I believe in this situation that you build a contenter for a championship with exceptional mentors who impart valued gifts, with the Bulls there has been to much on the job training without structured education. Heck! everybody is so young.

by exult463 on May 23, 2008 7:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and West help CP3 get free

With great play from both CP3 and West opp has to account N.O. multiple options on the court. You take West out CP3 will find it harder to get into the lanes. the same goes for Paja, who spreads the defense. Without Paja opp will tighten down on CP3 and West. CP3 and DW5 teams are made up to let each player do their job successfully. The Bulls doesn’t have that balance.

by Soloistic on May 28, 2008 11:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, what does that mean?

If the Bulls draft Rose, I don’t think opponents will start keying on him from day 1, double-teaming him. If anything, they would try to blanket his teammates, forcing him to try and do too much on his own. The Bulls can have that balance….they just need a PG who will be able to get the players the ball where they are most effective with it. What good is Deng if no one will get him the ball where he can just stop and shoot his 18 ft jumper, or what good is Gordon if the PG can’t split a trap in order to get him the ball coming off a screen?

The whole “PG needs a dominant big man to succeed” argument is valid, but let’s not go crazy. Carlos Boozer was a good player before Williams came along, now he’s an All-Star 20/10 machine. David West a simillarly good player, now an All-Star after 3 seasons with Paul. Both of them, along with Amare, Chris Bosh, etc were all supremely talented, but none of them would be having All-NBA level success if they weren’t paired with great PG’s. The relationship is symbiotic, though, so we can’t degrade a great PG for having a good big man on his team, and vice-versa. That’s the point, we want a team that would ultimately field a roster with more than just 1 seemingly All-Star caliber player.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 29, 2008 1:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beasly is not Duncan

Duncan is arguably the best PF of all time. If Beasley had that caliber of talent, size, and fundamentals, I would be all for him being the clear cut pick here.

Beasley is more comparable to Barkley in my opinion. Not saying he will become as good as Sir Charles but his game reminds a lot of Chuck.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on May 23, 2008 5:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently Charlotte is the team that promised Jordan a pick

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/05/too-early-for-b.html

Not that it applies to us, I just find the whole concept of promising a draft pick to someone that isn’t a consensus top 3 choice perplexing.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 23, 2008 4:09 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol, GM Michael Jordan

His airness is quite an airhead if he’s lot lacing up the kicks and taking over himself.

by NBA Observer on May 23, 2008 4:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jordan's 1st round picks

2001: Kwame Brown
2002: Jared Jeffries & Juan Dixon
2006: Adam Morrison
2007: Brandan Wright, who he traded for Jason Richardson and his mega contract.

Somebody in the Bobcats organization should point out that MJ isn’t good at evaluating talent.

by YaoPau on May 24, 2008 2:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His best draft selection thus far

Jared Dudley

Sean May and Raymond Felton are still questionable. They are Carolina guys though.

by NBA Observer on May 24, 2008 8:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think the Morrison pick was "his"...

...so much as he OK’d the move from the President’s chair. He hadn’t arrived on the scene until fairly close to the draft date, and the Bobcats had already done a great deal of evaluation on draft-eligible players at that time.

Of course, Morrison is a horrible, awful player. The pick was such a clunker it might be useless to parse out Jordan’s exact role in the decision.

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by Jivas on May 24, 2008 1:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also - I *really* liked the trade for Jason Richardson

J-Rich had a PER of 18.48, played all 82 games this past year, and is 27 years old. This was a bad trade why?

The thing is, that team will probably never be able to get anyone to take their free agent money, MJ’s presence or not. Taking on the contract did nothing to limit their future flexibility, and they acquired a player far better than the most obvious available players at the pick – and not only that, they acquired a player already in his prime such that his best years would coincide with the best years of Emeka Okafor and Gerald Wallace.

I thought it was a great trade. Any criticism of MJ’s executive decision-making can easily be done by looking at decisions that actually hurt his team, excluding this one.

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by Jivas on May 24, 2008 2:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Riley might retire

if the Bulls draft Rose and hired a good coach.

He remembers that days of MJ dominance, sees glimpes of similiar dominance with Chris Paul and now emerges a larger version of Paul and seemly more dominant in Derrick Rose that can go toe-2-toe with D. Wade.

I haven’t forgot (Lebron), but cleveland has yet to match him with his Pippen, or (Kobe Shaq) or (Duncan-Parker-Manu).

by exult463 on May 23, 2008 4:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tony K had a good line on PTI

“The Bulls may get so good that Riley would come out of retirement to coach them”

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 23, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only in our dreams!

But that would be wonderful. Reality: Well, let’s see what Pax thinks of Chuck Person.

by messwiththebull on May 23, 2008 4:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chuck Person is Awesome!

Remember when he kicked that basketball into the upper deck (I think he first kicked one in the lower deck, but it wasn’t far enough, so he got another basketball and kicked it higher). That’s the kind of attitude of I want from my coach…so the refs know that if they continue to make bad calls, Chuck’s gonna start a riot in the parking lot and start overturning cars and setting things on fire.

I would love to be in the room when/if Pax asks Chuck about his soccer skills (Paxson was at that game, if I remember correctly).

by KentuckyBullsFan on May 23, 2008 5:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chuck Person's

would bring toughness. I don’t know much about him since his playing days?

by exult463 on May 23, 2008 6:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You want Riley?

I’d rather have Boylan than that evil bastard.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 23, 2008 11:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Bulls Offense is One Dimensional -

“Kirk to Gordon…Back to Kirk…Kirk to a Slashing Deng…Deng to Gordon…(3 secs) 24 second clock hRRRRR.” Our Offense for three years and Rose is suppose to change that?

Before we all get catch up in the hype of having the 1st pick, remember that the current group of guards took this team to the playoffs twice without having a low post presence. Let also be mindful of the fact almost the entire team had a bad season. Therefore all positions showed significant weakness from the 1 – 5 spot, which is why Paxson had to shake things up. If those guys rebound well from last year, the Bulls are automatically a 1st round playoff team without the pick. However, Bulls opponents, if Rose is the guy, would not have to defend the Bulls any differently (in year one), because this team’s strength will still remain to be it’s guards; stop those guards and the Bulls are without their only means to score. But Beasley would add another wrinkle to the offense that has been desperately needed during those playoff runs. Re-open those lands and the ability for those guards to be effective again, if Beasley can be that go-to-guy when offensive flow is stagnate or when defense pick their poison. Nonetheless, the Bulls are in a great position, because Gooden will be a nice stop gap for Rose (until Paxs acquire a legit PF) or Kirk, Larry, and Ben will do the same for Beasley (until Pax acquire a legit PG) while one of the two adjust through a 82 game season. Regardless of whose chosen at number 1, the Bulls will need to add another player to patch up the weak position and the Paxson have assets, free agents, and player options to make something work.

by Soloistic on May 23, 2008 4:53 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 2006 Bulls team compete against 2006 competition

The 2008-09 Bulls team needs to improve and compete against 2008-09 competition, even if that involves improving good pieces that got us to the second round in 2007-08 playoffs.

Any organization that does continue to grow at the pace, or better than its competition will die.

by exult463 on May 23, 2008 5:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your second part is correct!

But many believe that Rose will make the bigger impact, and to compete to win a NBA championship I believe the better option is the initial step in the right direction..

by exult463 on May 23, 2008 5:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree

with picking rose, the bulls are one step closer to a ring…they are almost complete, and pax has the pieces to put together a trade that could take them to the next level within two years. it will be interesting to hear the rumors fly next week in orlando. pax is going to be the most popular guy there.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on May 23, 2008 5:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be fair, it makes a difference if your PG:

1) Actually gets past his man, and creates SPACING.
2) Can finish at the hoop at will, drawing contact and/or dunking with authority.
3) Can exploit the gap with a pass to an open man.

Don’t fool yourself- our strength has never been our guards. They are midgets. A season ago, when we were doing well, it was Deng and Noce that created 10pt leads, usually. One would drive and kick to the other, and he would make the shot. Gordon had his moments, but Noce and Deng were the primaries.

If Rose can create spacing, and finish at the hoop, he’s going to find open looks for the rest. It won’t be the same, because we will have a real PG.

by iBurkey on May 23, 2008 8:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone else read this juicy nugget from Mariotti's last column?

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/967998,mariotti052408.article

“In recent hours, word has seeped out of Paxson’s compound that Rose, indeed, is the favored choice at No. 1.”

by Option27 on May 23, 2008 7:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kevin Johnson or John Stockton, secondarily.. Derick Harper or Mark Price

eariler I made reference to these former players(guards). They all were leaders and seem to have high Basketball IQ. In reference to some on their peers (Skiles, Bryon Scott, Isiah,Maurice Cheeks,Dunleavy,Theus,Nate McMillian, Jerry Sloan,etc.) who are now coaching, these 4 guys were also exceptional basketball players.

Where are these guys now and are they involved in coaching or working as player advisors?

Note: Skiles and Avery Johnson were not in the same class as some of these guys, althougth Skiles still has the single game assist record and Avery was part of a Spurs Championship team. I’m just trying to rule Avery out as the Bulls coach in my own mind…

by exult463 on May 23, 2008 7:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point

I don’t see why more teams don’t hire ex-players as mentors, like the Lakers did with Kareem for Andrew Bynum. Why pay Hinrich $11 million to be a coach for D-Rose when you can hire one of those guys for a fraction of that.

by Rodmaniac on May 23, 2008 9:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mark Jackson is 2nd All Time in assists

what better guy to tutor our new PG?

i would hire him over the Little General in a second. I would be tired of Avery’s bark by the end of pre-season.

We could also get some sweet revenge on the Knicks by going with Jackson.

by Orlando Woolridge on May 23, 2008 7:51 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, that would be sweet revenge

They get the guy they wanted and the Bulls wanted and the Bulls get the guy the Knicks were reported to want despite having absolutely no coaching experience and little true insight provided as an analyst. Boy, that would be classic.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 23, 2008 8:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

big O, snley

imho.. I believe Mark Jackson was tier two PG not the elite elevate his team to championship type, although to his credit he really could dime. His analyst comments sound like he wants to be Stephen A. ? He’s such a mystery and starting out as a new Head Coach with no experience?.

If Mark Jackson really wants to coach and he believes he really has the goods. He should find himself an assstant position with a good team and step down from television, and operate in the trenches for one or two years. I really would’nt miss his basketball analyst offering during that period. This entitlement thing, I’m not big on..

by exult463 on May 23, 2008 8:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

avery is like skiles on PCP

i’ve had enough of those days.

i was just throwin Jackson’s name out there mostly, but obviously Donnie Walsh thinks he’s legit which is a good sign.

by Orlando Woolridge on May 23, 2008 8:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

During the Bos / Det game

I actually heard him say that missing out on Oden & Durant was “their best draft day ever” because it prompted them to trade for KG & Ray Allen. I guess the day they drafted Bird sucked.

by Rodmaniac on May 23, 2008 9:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Give us Pip!

Old knothead has life in him yet. He’s probably still quicker than Hinrich. Heh! He could player coach, and run plays for himself, and finally get the glory!

Who’s with me?

by iBurkey on May 23, 2008 8:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Count me in

If Pip is willing to start as an assistant, Pax should hire him in a heartbeat. He can have Pete Myers’s seat.

by Rodmaniac on May 23, 2008 9:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Longshot/darkhorse coaching candidate

would be Doug Collins. I realize there is little to no chance he will come back to the profession but on the Chad Ford conference call, I got the impression that Pax would love to hire him calling him a great basketball mind, but, as Pax mentioned, Doug already turned down a substantial sum of money to coach Milwaukee a few years ago so he’s probably moved on from coaching.

Otherwise, I wouldn’t mind to see Doug coach this team to point B before Reinsdorf cans his ass again.

by messwiththebull on May 23, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not hire some talented assistants to specialize in their areas of expertise....like

iBurkey and messwiththeBull suggested…hire Scottie Pippen, who Phil Jackson praised as having the highest bball IQ of anyone he coached. Yes he has a checkered history, but most mature with time. What a great tutor for Noah, TT, and Gooden, an ex-Bull point forward who was voted one of the top 50 players of all time.

Next, hire Doug Collins as head coach. I am sure by now he has tempered his hyper personality and no one can question his basketball smarts.

and finally, hire the Euro league wizard, Eltore Mussina, the Italian who has an outstanding track record as a teacher and winner, who said he would be willing to take an assistant’s job to familiarize himself with the NBA.

As Mariotti so clearly pointed out (yes I know there is a lot of Mariotti hate here, but he was right on about Riensdork blowing the D’Antoni hire because of his inflated ego), the Bulls need to do something big to wipe the egg off their faces, rather than just hire a bunch of retreads with no NBA head coaching experience again.
All these guys are winners and have something to prove to the naysayers.
Lets drive a spike once and for all into the corpses of our pathetic, incompetent, uninspiring, clowns who almost took the Bulls ship into the iceburg last year and launch a cruise into the sunset with a new captain and crew who have a clue of what it takes to win. The players would be renewed, working for no-nonsense coaches they respect and with Rose leading the revival, the Bulls will be contenders in the East a lot sooner than most would predict. I wouldn’t worry to much about not signing Beasly because I think next year, because of new coaching, a new attitude and more maturity, Tyrus Thomas will be taking his first giant steps on the road to stardom.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on May 23, 2008 10:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am aware Collins said he doesn't want to coach, but wasn't this before

The Bulls won the lottery. The job may appear a lot more appealing with the potential trade possiblities this offers to enhance and improve the Bulls roster. If he still says no, would Calapari be a good option assuming they draft Rose?

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on May 23, 2008 11:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't want Calipari

Plus, you don’t hire head coaches specifically for one player, particularly one that has yet to be added to the roster. Also, college coaches=failure.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 24, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wasn't that qualified with

I’m not interested in coaching “the Phoenix Suns”. Reinsdorf and Pax’s talks with D’Antoni did mention Collins as a potential assistant coach.

by NBA Observer on May 24, 2008 8:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bulls Will Pick Beasley

Word out of Miami is that the Bulls are going to pick Beasley.

by Flimjo on May 27, 2008 1:16 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Word out of Miami...

makes me doubt everything written after that…

by kingj41 on May 27, 2008 1:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When the Bulls front office is located in Miami

And not in Deerfield, I’ll accept that statement with some kind of truth.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 27, 2008 1:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Word out of Miami....

...is that Riley likes Hinrich better than Wade for the fifth pick.

by BullsFanInSeattle on May 27, 2008 10:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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