The Official "Pax bring Beasley to Chi-Town" thread...
by Vangelis on May 22, 2008 6:17 PM CDT
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PrintWhatever many may think of Scoop Jackson, the man says as it is. Please follow the link to what is essentially an open letter to Pax (below, I am attaching the main points of his arguments anyway).
I do not understand all this Rose-hysteria and agree 100% with Scoop. Beasley will be the new dominant force in the NBA and whilst Rose can be a fantastic point guard he does not provide the two things this team is desperate for scoring and some old fashioned bad-ass "I will beat you whatever it takes" attitude.
Beasley is our man and a young player with an insatiable appetite to win and dominate... Rose on the other hand whilst talented was not able to finish off the game for Memphis against Kansas. I know that's only one game but... I just have a hunch that Pooh is not what we're looking for. I think we have enough "unselfish" players on our roster, we need someone who is not afraid to be the go-to-guy... someone like Mike Beasley. Over to Scoop:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jackson/080522&sportCat=nba
" Your team is stockpiled at the guard position, and you have zero players who can score inside. Not a one. You've got a perimeter-shooting team that can't shoot, and no one who can drive to the basket off the dribble. Your team went from an Eastern Conference semifinalist to a 33-game winner in one year. You have several players who can go off for 20 to 30 points on any given Wednesday, but no one you can count on to stop scoring droughts that sometimes last longer than a whole quarter.... Yet you are being pressed to draft someone who really doesn't solve your main problem. Here's the thing. If you draft Rose, what are you going to do with Ben Gordon, Kirk Hinrich and Larry Hughes? You gonna trade Kirk and his contract? You gonna not re-sign Ben and lose him for nothing? Unless you plan to make a change with one or all of them soon, adding Rose to the mix is like the Knicks adding Steve Francis to a roster that already had Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford. And we all know how that turned out. All I'm saying is, with your squad built the way it is, where would Rose fit? How does he solve your biggest on-the-court problem? Now, I know Rose can do the one thing that no one else on your roster seems to be able to do: attack the basket. I know he can score in the paint with ease. But good NBA teams -- teams that go beyond the conference finals, teams that can get past Boston in the next three years -- are teams that are built with balance. They are teams that are more than one- or two-dimensional on offense. Teams that don't have to rely on jump shots and teardrops in order to win. And yeah, I've heard all of the Chris Paul and Deron Williams comparisons with Pooh. But you know, and I know, that what makes those two what they've become is the fact that they have players with a post presence to take the pressure off them to do everything offensively. CP has David West, an All-Star. D-Will has Carlos Boozer, another All-Star. Even Tony Parker -- whose game is very similar to what Rose's game will be, I think -- has Tim Duncan, and that tandem allows the team to continue to play for titles year after year. You got that player for Rose once he gets here, Pax? You got that plan in effect? Look, man. All things real, Joakim Noah, Tyrus Thomas and Drew Gooden are not scorers in the paint. They are all good at what they do, but what they do is not what you need with the squad you have. Adding Mr. Beasley -- a 6-foot-10 beast who could be unstoppable in the East, except maybe against KG -- to what you already have wouldn't just make you better. It would make you complete. And when you are complete, you can compete. Johnnie Cochran told me that one."FanPosts are user-created posts from the BlogABull community, and are to be treated as the opinions and views of that particular user, not that of the blogger or blog community as a whole.
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Hes the perfect fit
But I dont think hell be a dominant as your implying. He wont demand a double team and eventually he will fall in love with the jump shot. Rose on the other hand will draw double teams off the penetration and thats what will make our guys down low better. I mean Gooden is not the worst option in the post.
Double Team
I think that within 2-3 years Beasley will demand a double team. I think that if he develops his game and body and fulfills his freakish potential he will become a cross between Amare & Dirk Nowitzki….
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Just imagine a frontcourt of Beasley/Noah/TT...
... for the next 10 years. Total domination of the East.
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I dont know
Both of these players your naming played there best ball alongside Steve Nash and Dirk was at his best when Jamison was getting doubled down low and kicking out. Beasely belongs in a combo like that but well never use him effectively. Rose will make everything else more effective.
I disagree
Dirk became more assertive and dominant AFTER Nash left to the Suns. And he was most effective when he won the MVP, not when Jamison was there. Amare has always been good. And he’s young and he’s still improving. After Nash retires he will still be a dominant force.
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He played w/ Jamison for 1 season, 03-04
That season happens to be the third lowest PER of his career.
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Why is everyone forgetting about Gooden?
He’s a pretty decent low-post option. Not great, but he can score. Definite upgrade for Joe Smith and Ben Wallace. We’re fine down there, Scoop is wrong.
You seriously said (typed)
Drew Gooden with a straight face?
When you add Rose to this team, what is it still missing? A Low Post Presence. Lob Passes won’t work too well when the game is slowed down deep in the playoffs.
When you add Beasley to this team, what is it still missing? hmmm… just time to mesh.
Kirk is still here, he can’t get worse than last year. With an answer inside, deng can play better on the wing and won’t have to disappear in the 4th, Gordon can pass inside or get the ball from inside to hit his beautiful jumpers, and Kirk won’t have to dribble for 23 seconds looking for the open Jump Shooter.
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AGH!!!
I have believed that this team, with a new coach, without this #1 pick, was going to be closer to last years team than to this years team. Now, the only problem this team has had has always been the absence of a Low Post player. Now, what happens if/when Deng and Gordon can’t make a deal with the Bulls leave next year? They will need someone who can score. Yes I understand the TONS of lop passes that Tyrus, Thabo, and Noah could get from Rose, but those will not always be there. And as Pax himself said it, “Beasley is a scorer”. If this pick has anything to do with this team’s future success, I don’t see the problem in picking Beasley and having the offense run thru him. It would make everything so much better for everyone on the team. And don’t get me wrong, I love Rose, think he’s an amazing player with a bright future, but I would like to see what this team, (the one we’ve been saying for the past 2yrs that needs a low post player to make everyone of the current ‘core’ better) looks like with just that. Having Kirk, BG, Deng, Beasley/Thomas, and Noah doesn’t sound horrible to me.
Another note, would you guys like to have Carloz Boozer in this team? a 6-9 PF that can flat out score and rebound? I don’t see Beasley being much different from him, and maybe even better. You don’t need a top PG to win in this league. You need a good point guard and a player that can take over a game in a moment’s notice. That’s what I’ve seen Beasley do in his young career.
I hate it when I hear what Beasley “won’t be this or that”. We can’t know what he will ever be until we see him grow. Same as we can’t say, Rose will be a cross between Paul and Deron. I like both, but this team has beed put together and most of us have enjoyed the this players together (with the exception of Duh and Noc, now Huh), why not add the piece needed to complete the puzzle?
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you mention Boozer
without talking about Williams? Do me a favor, go look at Boozer and Williams stats from the playoffs and you tell me who had a bigger impact on the team.
I don't think
I mentioned Boozer being the only difference maker in the team. I didn’t imply that Boozer was the player the Bulls would draft either. My point is that the Bulls could use a player like Boozer, even though he is ‘undersized’ just because of the things he does well, which is Score and Rebound. They need a player like that (Boozer) to be a balanced team. If you read above, I even said I could see Beasley being ‘better’ than Booz just by seeing his athleticism and range. Oh and as far as I can tell, all of Deron’s ‘heroics?” didn’t get them far either. Look at the team that the Jazz played and then tell me the Jazz had a better team. And by the way, Boozer will most likely get better. He’s only 26.
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Williams did
I think Williams is better than Boozer. I think Paul is better than West. But that doesn’t mean that Rose is necessarily better than Beasley . I think both are awesome, and I don’t really think there is a wrong choice here. I just think most of the pro-Rose people overvalue all our young guys and undervalue our more experienced guys. All the talk of length, and upside, and development is just over the top. Deng, HInrich, and Gordon are already quality starters. Tyrus and Noah’s upside is about where those guys already are. Thabo’s upside is to be a rotation bench player. Despite the disaster of last year, we’re not that far from being a competitve team. A year ago everybody thought we were almost there. Now everybody wants to start all over and play young guys and hope they all pan out. Chances are they’re not all going to be as good as what you think they are.
Also, I like Noah, and Tyrus, and Deng individually, but Rose can’t be successful with that frontcourt. None of them can handle, score in the post, or create their own shot. Sure, they can run the floor, but not every possession will be a fastbreak. In the halfcourt, Rose would have trouble penetrating, because the lane would be clogged, because the defense wouldn’t have to honor any of them. And when you Thabo-lovers want to throw him in as the 2, it gets even worse. Rose would be the only one in the lineup who could create anything off the dribble, and we wouldn’t have anybody in the lineup who could shoot.
Chris Paul has a big who can score in the post and knock down 17 footers in David West. He also has 2 really good 3 point shooters on the wings in Peterson and Peja. These guys all have to be guarded and create great spacing for Paul to get in the lane and make plays. They also give room for Chandler go the offensive boards. Chandler is good and Paul is great, but having 3 guys around them who the defense has is honor is what allows them to play to their full capabilities. I think Rose can be like Paul, but not if he’s playing with Thabo, Deng, Tyrus, and Noah. You can have 1 or 2 guys like that in your lineup but not 4.
I think drafting Rose is fine, and I think drafting Beasley is fine, but I think we need to have a roster that will set them up for success. I think we have that now for Beasley, but I think we have alot of work to do on the trade front to make that happen for Rose. I also think with this pick we should want to try and be competitive now. Everybody seems to want to start all over and just talks about development. A year ago we were close and now we have almost the same squad plus the number 1 pick in the draft. I’m not saying we’re gonna win the title next year, but I think it takes a year or 2 of playoff runs and experience before that happes, and I think we can start that next year.
i don't think you can ask a 19 year old
to be your best player and expect to win a bunch of games right away. It is going to take a couple of years no matter who we get. And I think Rose will be fine with the frontcourt players we have. Deng is a good 3, Noah is a good center, and GOODEN can score in the post and is a pretty good in the pick and roll.
You Beasley fans act like you can just give him the ball and watch him go. If he shoots over 45% next year I’ll be shocked. Do you think we can win with the guard play we’ve had over the last couple of seasons? I actually think the front court guys – Noah, Thomas, Gooden, Noce, Deng – are better than the backcourt guys – Hinrich, Gordon, Duhon, Thabo, and Hughes. I actually think we need more help in the backcourt.
We did
win with the guards we have. We won 49 games and a playoff series and had basketball people picking us to win the East the following year knowing we had the same backcourt. Sure, they sucked last year, but I don’t think they’re really as bad as they were last year. I would be happy if we picked Rose, but I think quite a bit of work will have to be done to the roster to make him effective and make our team better. and making those moves is easier said than done.
I’m not a Beasley fan either. I don’t know who we should pick. I think both are awesome, and you can make strong case for either one. I just think who we put around them is going to effect how good they can be.
"Sure they sucked last year"
Well as long as you are fine glossing over that point, than there is nothing to argue. We won 49 games and got killed by Detroit in the playoffs mostly because they took advantage of Gordon and Hinrich in the post and those guys couldn’t answer on the offensive end. But I bet you are sure that won’t happen again either.
Against Detroit
our backcourt may have been killed, but Detroit has one of the best backcourts in the league. I’m just saying if we can win 49 games and a playoff series with that backcourt and a crappy frontcourt, I think we can be even better if we improve our frontcourt.
And I don’t know what our current frontcourt has done….
Well...
Noce, Deng and Thomas were on that team that won 49 games, but I guess they don’t count. Noah won back to back NCAA championships. And Gooden was our most effective player at the end of last season and was the starting power forward on a team that went to the NBA finals. But you are right, they haven’t done anything…
C'mon
I’m just saying that we have a decent proven backcourt. Not a good one but a decent one. 2 starters who are better than about 1/2 the league at their position. I think Deng fits that too. They were our 3 best players on a pretty good NBA team. Our bigs haven’t done anything together yet. Noah and Tyrus do have talent, and I like them both, but they still have a lot to prove before they are in the same class as Kirk and Gordon.
I like Rose and Beasley. I was just saying that if we take Rose, I think we need to find a way to shuffle our roster more to make him as effective as possible. I think a point guards needs shooters and scoring big in order for him to have the spacing needed to penetrate and make plays. I don’t think we have to do much to the roster to make Beasley effective. I think he comes fits in well with what we currently have.
You obviously
can’t ask a 19yr old to do that. I rather have the 19yr old who comes in to be the guy receiving the ball inside than the guy running the team. This team, as is, did pretty good when it had a coach and when they were motivated. Beasly won’t be asked to carry the load. Kirk is still there, so is Gordon, and Deng. Those 3 were the ‘core’ and I think can still be part of this team. And it’s not that I’m a “Beasley fan”, I’m a Bulls fan, and I seriously think that Beasley, whether he’s the “face of the Franchise” or not, can help this team faster than Rose can.
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Jefferson
I think that Beasley is much closer to an Al Jefferson type: gifted scorer and rebounder with a little of an outside jumper. He’s also got that type of body. Boozer is leaner, and he’s a pretty good defender. I’m not sure Beasley is that good of a defender: he picks up fouls really easily.
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by chibullsareback on May 22, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Not at all like Jefferson
and not that being like AJ is a bad thing, (Kid’s a beast) but he’s leaner than both Boozer and AJ at 235lbs. Also, he doesn’t just have a “little of an outside jumper”. Here, this is his scouting report from nbadraft.net (http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/michaelbeasley.html
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Strengths: A fabulous athlete with an NBA ready body… Completed one of the most dominant seasons in college basketball history, as a freshman … His length, quickness, jumping ability and strength combine to make him one of the most difficult match ups … He has range from anywhere on the floor all the way out to NBA three, but is especially effective with his soft touch around the rim, where he uses both hands to finish with a variety of moves … His left handed jump shot is a thing of beauty, with a smooth release, he has good arc and is very balanced getting his legs under him to get great elevation … Most dangerous out of the mid-post where he can square his man up, and attack with a variety of moves; including strong takes to the hoop, a nice midrange pull-up, or simply shooting over the top of helpless defenders … From the triple threat his jabs and shot fakes are extremely efficient because he not only has a quick first step, but also a very long one that allows him to get by people at will … When the defender tries to beat him to the spot, he has a terrific spin move that is virtually unstoppable … His post game has progressed nicely, and he has shown a nice touch on a variety of hook-shots and fadeaways … He fights hard to get good position on the block, and even harder when crashing the O glass, as seen by the 4 offensive rebounds that he averaged per game … His ability to play the passing lanes and come over weakside to block shots, further adds to his ability to fill the stat sheet … A strong personality with great confidence who never gets down on himself. There are few doubts about him becoming a bigtime impact talent at the next level
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yes he is
have you watched him play? He’s got the nice midrange, the developed back-to-the-basket game, and is a terrific rebounder. I don’t think that a comparison to Jefferson is a knock. BTW if you think Beasley is really only 235 you need glasses. He’s a little bit chubby! No way someone is 6’9 and that chubby, yet only weighs 235. Maybe he is only 6’7, in that case you might be correct.
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by chibullsareback on May 23, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
FYI
I was just quoting different sources. I don’t “think” that he’s 235, that’s what he’s listed as. And I didn’t say the AJ comparison is a knock, actually this is what I said, ” Not at all like Jefferson and not that being like AJ is a bad thing”” And I really doubt the would list a player as being 6’10” when he is 6’7”.
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Why is everyone banging on Beasley?
You can’t underestimate a good post scorer. We do not currently have a good one on our roster.
If we’re going to develop into a very good team, we will have to have one alongside Rose. Melo is not a good option.
Don't get me wrong...
... Rose will be great as a pro. I’m just sick of our roster being full of “facilitators” and role players. I want a go-getter, someone who has the balls to attack and get things done. I believe that Beasley is exactly what we are missing, not just in terms of skill base and position, but equally important in terms of attitude.
Drew Gooden? You’re kidding right? No way are we gonna win a chip with him at the 4..
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why can't rose be the attack type player
he seemed to be doing that quite well in the tournament. He was headed for tournament MVP if Chalmers doesn’t knock down that 3. In a tight spot, Rose a freshman was the guy all the people on Memphis turned to make a play. He can be that guy in the NBA.
Rose being the "attack type player"
isn’t the question here. I think that it would be better to fill a hole that’s been needed to be filled than replacing someone and still have the same hole.
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I don't think you feel
holes with #1 picks. You are asking this guy to be a superstar, to be the face of the franchise. The guy you pick right now should be around for 10 years, and his teammates will have to adjust to him, not the other way around.
Ok
I see your point there, but, what happens when you can accomplish BOTH. Fill a hole with a guy who can be the face of the franchise? Remember, Beasley was projected #1 all year until Rose picked up steam towards the end. And even now, after the Tournament, Beasley is still the consensus #1 in most Mock Drafts. Do you think Kevin Durant had a good Freshman season? Well, Beasley had an arguably better one.
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I don't think Beasley
can be the face of the franchise. i think he will be an all-star, but I don’t he will be a dominant player. I also think, and I know BaB people hate to hear this, but their our red flags about his character. I don’t think he is a thug, that i can live with. I think he is a knucklehead – a guy who plays too much and doesn’t work enough.
I also think Rose can be dominant. I watched Rose dominate UCLA, Texas, Mich St in the tournament. I saw Beasley put up great performances all year, but he never was dominant. He never controlled the game. He just scored alot. There is a huge difference. Its not all about stats. Rose can get too anywhere he wants on the floor
As far as Beasley vs. Durant. Durant is 3 inches taller, has a longer reach, played for a better team and still only shot 42% from the field this year. Its not all about stats.
As far as your point earlier – Deron Williams had a playoff per of 21.50, making him 13th out of all playoff performers, while shooting 49% from the field. Carlos Boozer had a per of 13.91, 66th in the playoffs. He also shot 41% from the field. Williams is the star of that team and everyone knows it, including Boozer.
Just as you think MB can't be the face of the franchise
I think he can, so it’s a wash at this moment because he’s never touched the floor as an NBA player yet and we won’t know that for a while. I can’t mention his ‘character issues’ because I don’t know what they are, but I’ve always been a believer that if a guy can Ball and put it all on the floor for 48 mins, I don’t care what his character is like outside the court. Obviously, unless he’s committing a crime.
I’m not knocking Rose at all. I seriously think he is amazing, but I just don’t understand, why now, after all this time we’ve spent hearing and complaining that the team needs a post player, there is a need to blow it up and start from scratch. And while I understand the urge for that when Rose is there for the taking, I still see Beasley being the perfect fit for an already very young and talented team.
As far as comparisons to Boozer, I shouldn’t have even brought it up since it was taken out of context, even after I explained why I brought him up. All I was saying was that, he is an undersized PF that can score and rebound. And he was taken in the 2nd round. Think of a kid who can do that, and much more at approximately the same size. We all know that D. Will is the best player on that team, but without Booz, he would be running inside and kicking out to Okur and AK for jump shots. Booz just slows things down for that team when needed and it works. That’s just what the Bulls need, a player who can play the post naturally.
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Reinsdorf will not pay a hundred million dollars to a wayward youth,
no matter how talented, for the chance to see if the young man can rehabilitate himself on one of the biggest stages in the world.
But none of that really matters. Rose is the vastly superior player. He will transport you into silly, giddy realms watching him play. I laugh out loud just watching his little youtube highlights. He’s a blur. He might be the quickest guy ever in the NBA.
Three years from now, it will seem crazy that there ever was a debate.
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I hope it's the level of the Howard/Okafor debate
I don’t want Beasley to fail, I just want Rose to be a player that instills fear into the opponent.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 22, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
"Three years from now, it will seem crazy that there ever was a debate."
totally agreed. and in ten years it will be even sweeter.
watching this kid play (on youtube admittedly + some college games) baffles me as to how he was not being discussed for the number 1 pick.before the NCAA’s. I know he was top 3, but seeing it is undeniable.
and totally agreed about “scoring points” vs. “taking over games” from above. he can take over basketball games at will.
by Orlando Woolridge on May 22, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not even pro-Beasley
but you are just so irrational…
1. You obviously didn’t watch many Kansas St games if you didn’t think Bealsey was dominant.
2. Durant and Beasley are both listed at 6-9 or 6-10 depending on where you look
3. I think Williams is the better player too, but 82 games is longer than the playoffs and Boozer had a 21.96 PER (15th) to 20.82 for Deron (24th).
What exactly did I say that was irrational???
Are you sure you know what that means… Regardless, I think Rose’s game translates better to the NBA. And I think he is a better fit for the team. And I think he is a better fit for Paxson and Reinsdorf.
I listed them
1. Beasley was dominant in college too (you said he wasn’t)
2. Beasley and Durant are the same height (you said Durant is 3 inches taller)
3. Boozer has a slightly higher PER than WIlliams ( you used a 12 game playoff sample to make it seem like Williams is way better)
Williams may not be better.....but he is far more important
Replace Boozer with any PF of his merit (Brand, Jefferson, Sheed), the Jazz would be just fine. Replace Deron Williams, much different story.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 22, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
like I said, you don't know what irrational means
I think Durant is 6’11 to Beasley’s 6’8 1/2, if I’m wrong, that would make me wrong, not irrational.
My opinion is Beasley put up great numbers, but didn’t and can’t dominate the flow of a game like Rose. Its the Chris Paul vs. Dwight Howard argument. Yeah, Howard may score 25pt and grab 25 rebounds, but who do you want to have the ball in their hands – I think the same goes with Rose and Beasley. Beasley may put up 30 and 15, but Rose is going to make the plays that are critical to win. You may disagree with me, but that hardly makes me irrational.
My Williams argument was in response to Goobster, who said Boozer was better, the only difference maker on the Jazz. My argument was no, the guy who makes Williams go is Jazz, and I used their playoff PER to back up my argument. As in, when the going is toughest, Williams is there making plays and Boozer is waiting for stuff to happen.
I reiterate, you don’t know what irrational means.
I never said that Booz was better
or that he was the only difference maker on that team. As a matter of fact I said the complete opposite. “I don’t think I mentioned Boozer being the only difference maker in the team. I didn’t imply that Boozer was the player the Bulls would draft either.” – “As far as comparisons to Boozer, I shouldn’t have even brought it up since it was taken out of context, even after I explained why I brought him up. All I was saying was that, he is an undersized PF that can score and rebound. And he was taken in the 2nd round. Think of a kid who can do that, and much more at approximately the same size. We all know that D. Will is the best player on that team, but without Booz, he would be running inside and kicking out to Okur and AK for jump shots. Booz just slows things down for that team when needed and it works. That’s just what the Bulls need, a player who can play the post naturally”
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And by the by, Kevin Durant is listed as 6’9”. (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kevin_durant/).
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you're right
I misquoted you. BUt i still disagree
Ok
Irrational was the wrong word. Sorry.
Beasley is listed at 6-10 on the Kansas St roster, butI have also seen him listed at 6-9. Durant is listed at 6-9 on the Sonics roster, but I have seen him listed at 6-10.
I know what you’re saying about it being easier for a guard to dominate the flow of the game with them having the ball more, but Beasley definitely dominated college games. Unlike Howard, he can go get the ball on the perimeter if needed and make plays facing the basket. He did this in college. They were good about making sure he got touches, so he could dominate.
The WIlliams-Boozer thing is whatever. We both think Williams is better.
A big part of KD shooting poorly this year was his coach
playing him at SG. Beasley is much more of an inside player than KD. Dude was a double-double machine this past year.
And Beasley dominated in plenty of games this season. It looks different when you don’t have the ball in your hands as much, but I watched him score at will against some incredibly good defensive teams.
In spite of the so called character flaws, he does work hard and has a drive to win.
My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!
You just said it--why Beasley won't be the bulls pick:
”...face of the franchise”
Not a chance in hell Paxson and Reinsdorf make Beasley the face of the franchise.
Rose, on the other hand, is tailor-made for the job.
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Yet Durant was picked #2
Not saying that was the right choice, but you can’t just pick and choose who’s going to be a great NBA player because they had great numbers in college…a lot of times the stats fail to translate well.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 22, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, he was picked #2
because the other guy is a Beast. Oden played with a broken hand and still helped his team get to the Championship game. And you’re right KD’s numbers are not the same now, but he was thrown into a F-ed up situation, and even so, he still produced and showed growth towards the end of the season.
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I wasn't speaking of Durant
He had a crappy 1st half, but he really showed his potential after the All-Star break. Portland will regret taking him, I’m sure of that. I’m going more of the road of Marcus Fizer, Michael Sweetney, and Kurt Thomas. Talented big men who were very dominant in college, but just couldn’t bring their games to the pro level.
Look, the draft is an absolute crapshoot. There is no such thing as a sure bet, we just like to talk a lot and make it seem that way. I am confident Beasley will be a solid, potential 20/10 guy. However, I just don’t think this team can move forward unless it finds a player who has tremendous amounts of skill, plus the desire to be a team leader and be vocal about it. Derrick Rose seems like that kind of guy. Beasley will no doubt have a fine career, but I think with the #1 pick, you have to roll the dice with a guy that could become a superstar.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 22, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose has that insatiable appetite
One guy averaged 21 – 6 – 6 while leading his team to the NCAA championship game and a 39-2 record. The other guy’s team lost 13 games… and you’re calling him the winner? I mean, you can knock Rose for not bringing home the title, but what about Beasley makes you think he’s a winner?
Beasley
If you’re looking at numbers, Beasley averaged 26 -12. Memphis went 39-2 because they play in C-USA. They dominated C-USA before they had Rose, and they will continue to dominate C-USA after hes gone. Players like Christopher Douglas-Roberts had a huge impact on how good Memphis was, and are completely understated because of all the hype Rose is getting.
K-State lost 13 games because they played in a much tougher conference, and Beasley was pretty much all they had.
by darksmokepuncher on May 22, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
pretty simple
when you take a team that would have struggled to make the NIT to the second round of the NCAA tournament, you’re a winner.
your turn.
tell me how taking the tigers from being a top 5 team before he showed up to a top 5 team after he showed up make Rose a winner.
by darksmokepuncher on May 22, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
39-2+Championship game apperance=winner
But hey, let’s not give credit to the team’s best player for it’s success.
You want’ to argue Beasley’s worth, that’s fine. Don’t waste 1000 posts trying to degrade Rose to a bunch of anonymous people. Go to the ESPN message board for that.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 23, 2008 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
No way this happens
character issues are for real with this kid. end of story.
F HINRICH
Can you point them out to me?
I’m being serious, I want to know what they are.
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I hope that
that’s all the “character issues” this kid has. If so, I’m not worried. Obviously, it’s just one article about him in HS. I went to HS too, and I think I did things worse than those, and as far as I can tell, I turned out pretty good. I’m a grown up now with responsibilities and I see that as growing pains. Obviously, we’re not all the same. But a few HS pranks and being annoying to teachers coaches doesn’t indicate, to me, a bad character. On this same article it states that he stopped goofing around once his NBA career was looming:
“Beasley said he’s made sincere attempts at maturation since he arrived at Notre Dame. With his NBA future looming, he’s tried to think of basketball as business. He learned to shake hands with opposing coaches this season, he said, instead of slapping careless high-fives. He shaves and cuts his hair every few days to look clean. When Beasley bought five new tattoos last month to celebrate his 18th birthday, he made sure none of the tattoos - four names on his wrists and “FAMILY FIRST” across his collarbone - would show when he wore a suit.
“People are starting to treat me like a professional because of how I play,” Beasley said. “So now I’m trying to act like one.” ”
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I’ll research this further and would like to hear how his College year went.
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No known problems to me
And as a Kansas fan, you can bet that anything negative about Beasley would have been passed around with glee. Everything I’ve ever heard has been on the prank level. He’s an outgoing goofball. He’s also hugely competitive and driven to win.
My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!
i was no angel
but his response to why he wrote his name all over the school a ridiculous amount, was cause he thought it was funny. Its one thing to be a class clown and act out a little, but this guy seems like a 19 yo 6’9 deuche with little consideration for anyone or anything except his basketball game and thinking people should tolerate his stupid behavior…. i dont know the kid but the behavior in the article isn’t just immature or juvenile, but selfish and depraved. Durant the guy he is compared to went to a big time program… i assume beasley went to K State and not a better program as a result of these issues… some teenage angst may show signs of future productive behavior, but i don’t think beasely falls into that category
F HINRICH
It just seems he wants attention
Being a top 2 pick in the NBA should satisfy that desire, I’m sure he’ll just have an entourage to pull pranks on anyways.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 22, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Character issues?
This is absurd! Beasley’s character is EXACTLY what is missing from this team. I can’t believe that some are trying to portray him as a freakin’ criminal or something. The LAST thing we need is another “nice” college player. This is what is wrong with this organisation. We NEED some arrogance, we need someone who is fearless, we need someone who on occasions will do some trash talking.
Anyone who watched any Kansas State games this past season would have seen that Beasley has a physical PRESENCE on the court that is unparallelled. I cannot believe that some previous posts have compared him to Sweetney and Al Jefferson(! We are not purely talking about stats here.Guys you are missing the point. Pooh we love you too, but this boy Beasley is a born killer, a true force of nature with enormous upside.
PAX BRING BEASLEY TO CHICAGO… A superstar combo player is more valuable than a superstar point guard.
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To be more precise...
... a superstar LOW POST SCORER is more valuable than a superstar point guard.
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There's a difference between swagger and immaturity
And you don’t have to be an arrogant ass to be a great player, and rookies should never run their mouth anyways.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 23, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I still don't
see how him pulling pranks at his HS, which was well over a year ago, indicates that as a Rookie he will “run his mouth”.
There is so much speculation about this Kid that at some points it seems exaggerated. I still, to this day, have not heard or read anything negative in terms of character from when he was in KState, which is when he should have shown some maturity, in college.
Blogabull... So Fresh and so Clean Clean!
The person I replied to said
We NEED some arrogance, we need someone who is fearless, we need someone who on occasions will do some trash talking.
I tend to believe 20 year olds who trash talk should be punched in the mouth.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 23, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Did Joakim trash talk?
I may have missed when vocal leadership meshed with arrogance.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 23, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
They should be punched in the mouth if...
... they don’t back up their talking with solid numbers on the court. If they do… then you could be accused of ageism…. Age has nothing to do with being able to trash talk, you could be 32 but if you’re a crap ball player you should not be trash-talking.
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It really makes no difference
Trash talking has nothing to do with leadership. You can have swagger and arrogance without chest-pumping and talking shit to your opponents. If Beasley is a leader, then he will show it by playing hard and showing a commitment to improving his game.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 23, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's hope...
... he does that in Chicago and not somewhere else…
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There's also a difference between...
... being vocal and being scared of leadership (i.e deng, bg, kirk etc.). Super stars tend to be big personalities with some degree of ego involved. We are looking for someone to be aggressive and able to lead the organisation to a ‘chip, NOT a yes-man and certainly not another “nice” guy with a “good” character.
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Noah will settle him down
There aint no way noah takes another losing season….no way in hell.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
Noah will settle him down
With some nice chronic.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Us Beasley fans are in the minority...
I’m all for getting him. There are so many reasons why I want Beasley over Rose, but the main reason is that I firmly believe that drafting Beasley gives the Bulls better options for trades.
The biggest trade asset the Bulls have is Drew Gooden. He is an expiring contract and only makes about $7M this year. With this #1 pick, the Bulls have to think of 2 or 3 BIG moves for the offseaon that will make the team competitors for the championship . If I was running the show, I’d take Beasley and trade for Gilbert Arenas. Here’s a trade example:
Drew Gooden’s Expiring Contract, Sign & Trade of Ben Gordon, and 2 FUTURE 1st round picks for Gilbert Arenas (sign & trade due to ETO this year). This gives Wizards a great 6th man that can light up the court, CAP space for 09-10, and a stockpile of future picks.
This gives us a lineup of Hinrich, Arenas, Deng, Beasley, Noah. Bench is Sefalosha, Hughes, Thomas, Nocioni, Gray
i like the arenas idea
but would rather draft rose still and then trade for arenas as i think TT has the 4 spot on lock and after the draft sg becomes the weakest position
F HINRICH
Thabo better be hoisting his 10,000 a day.
He’s got some sg skills, and he plays nice D, but he’s got to come into camp with a much-improved game in order for sg not be considered the team’s weakest link.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
Deal with Minnesota
Neither Beasley nor Rose is the answer. Beasley is a little too small and we really need inside scoring. We’ll be sending a small man to do a big man’s job and his body will either quit on him (ala Elton Brand) or his game will evolve to the outside (ala Larry Johnson). Rose is a capable PG but when was the last time a PG lead his team to a championship. We’ll have to go all the way back to the Isiah Thomas and Magic Johnson era.
Our best move might be to trade the pick to Minnesota for the #3 pick (Brook Lopez or DeAndre Jordan) and Corey Brewer. Lopez or Jordan will help provide the inside scoring we sorely need and Brewer helps provide much needed size in out backcourt.
Case solved.
Why trade for Brewer when the Bulls already have Thabo?
He’s certainly not worth swapping from 1 to 3 in a 2 man draft for.
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Thabo is not the answer
Most people talk about Thabo’s athleticism, size and length but what he really has is only size and length. Brewer is a bit more athletic and potentially more talented offensively.
Yes I know the answer. No need to thank me. (You’re welcome)
Thabo is the answer
If the question is, what player on the Bulls would be duplicated and not necessarily improved upon by acquiring Corey Brewer?
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Brewer and Thabo
Both players can exist in the backcourt at the same time. Thabo can play the 1 while Brewer the 2 for short periods of time (we’ll have to give the reigns back to Hinrich or Duhon once the size problem in-game abates). Hopefully we can dump the Hughes contract in Minnesota by taking in Juwan Howard’s and Sebastian Telfair’s expiring contracts. I’m sure Minnesota won’t mind that for a chance to get the #1 pick overall.
'short periods of time'
like summer league.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 23, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the Larry Johnson comparison.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
I think it's a fair comparison
Larry Johnson in the 90s was college game’s best small big man. However, there one part of his game that he couldn’t overcome: size. Sure he had an effective inside game in his NBA early years but, as his athleticism was slowly went away, he became less and less effective inside. Just like Charles Barkley, Johnson developed his outside game, something Brand will figure out soon or later. Beasley does have the advantage of having a good outside game right now but it only reinforces the possibility of him moving his game further and further outside as his career progresses.
LJ had some serious back problems that derailed his career
His athleticism didn’t slowly go away, it was gone in a flash.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
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that's the worst idea i've ever heard
Our best move might be to trade the pick to Minnesota for the #3 pick (Brook Lopez or DeAndre Jordan) and Corey Brewer.<<
uh Brook Lopez and Corey Brewer for Derrick Rose? or Beasley for that matter?
Rose is a capable PG but when was the last time a PG lead his team to a championship.”<<
last year when Tony Parker did? or Chauncey before that?
your idea dumbfounds me.
by Orlando Woolridge on May 23, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
think not
Parker won the Finals MVP because of weak competition from the Cavs. Duncan didn’t have to lift a finger for the Spurs to win so he did what “the best team player in all of sports should do”: let his lesser teammates have the glory. Billups on the other hand won a Finals MVP award that should have literally been awarded to the entire team. The voting panel just picked him to be the representative just like how they usually choose a QB to be the MVP.
Still dumbfounded? I can help you anymore buddy. Read a book. You’re welcome.
Orlando Woolridge
is right. That is the dumbest idea I’ve read in a long time. I will be disappointed if we take Beasley, but I would be livid if they traded the #1 pick for Corey Brewer and Brook Lopez. That is seriously the dumbest idea I’ve read on BaB, and there are some dumb ones floating around. For shame.
Really, that idea almost disqualifies you from further discussion.
by DangerMouse on May 24, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Duncan didn't lift a finger?
Considering how low the ratings were last year, I’ll just assume you didn’t watch along with the rest of the country.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Inside/outside...
.... we can sit and analyse and hypothesize for hours upon hours. Things however are simple: the question is who out of all the players in this draft is the most likely to become a franchise player? The answer is…
... Michael Beasley. Always pick the most talented guy…
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it all depends who we can trade for
if we can get a good true point guard, then pick up the beas
if we can trade for some inside scoring, you got to draft rose
by CWhiteman on May 23, 2008 8:19 PM CDT reply actions
I didn't even read past the first two lines.
-Your team is stacked with guards.
-Your guards can’t shoot.
-Your guards can’t guard.
-(Your guards aren’t exceptional ballhandlers.)
-But you have a lot of guards.
-Don’t get another one.
Right, that makes sense. How about taking “quality” into consideration?
Scoop's point is clear...
“Here’s the thing. If you draft Rose, what are you going to do with Ben Gordon, Kirk Hinrich and Larry Hughes? You gonna trade Kirk and his contract? You gonna not re-sign Ben and lose him for nothing? Unless you plan to make a change with one or all of them soon, adding Rose to the mix is like the Knicks adding Steve Francis to a roster that already had Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford. And we all know how that turned out. All I’m saying is, with your squad built the way it is, where would Rose fit? How does he solve your biggest on-the-court problem?”
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The biggest on-the-court problem is a lack of a superstar talent
If Rose is the one most likely to fulfill that superstar potential, then it’d be stupid to worry about the rest of the current roster. Draft the best player available and worry about the rest later.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
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Exactly. Scoop's point would be clear--and correct--
if the Bulls had stayed at #9.
The #1 pick changes the terms of the debate.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
yup
Scoop’s point may be clear but it’s idiotic. And really, why are we referencing what he writes at all?
but what will we do with Larry Hughes???!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
umm
you just compared hinrich to marbury and immediately lost any credibility. rose fits as the starting point guard because kirk is a very bad player. Tyrus was taken recently so Beasley / a 4 is not the biggest problem especially with Gooden sharing minutes
F HINRICH
Don't compare our situation to NY's whore of a franchise
Francis was added to that team via trade because Isiah is an idiot. We are in a good situation, drafting Rose puts the onus on Paxson to actually listen to deals for Hinrich/Gordon and attempt to be a real GM.
And how does adding Beasley not add the same kind of flux to the Bulls’ roster? How do you get 30 minutes a game from Beasley when there’s an established rotation of Deng, Nocioni, Gooden, Tyrus, and at times even Thabo at the 3 and 4 spots? Why doesn’t he ask the same questions about Beasley coming to Chicago?
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by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Who cares??? Scoop "clearly points out..." that the guard gluttony is severely defiscient.
Marbury/Francis/Crawford thing is a horrible analogy. All three were fairly established players, and not in the “superstar” mold.
I mean, the Bulls have three PF’s on the team, so what do they do about that? Just trust me on this, it’s a really bad argument.
A few points...
- Beasley has more chance of becoming a superstar than Rose. The best player out of the two is Beasley, not Rose. That is the whole point of why many of us want to pick him over Rose.
- Scoop is not comparing Hinrich to Marbury. The point he is making is that if we are to draft Rose, we woud HAVE to trade some of the existing guards, otherwise we would have the same problem as New York. For the reasons he lists, this may not be in our favour and certainly not easy. I will not repeat for the 3rd time what he says.
The fundamentally important issue here is the following: let’s suppose that both of these players become All NBA first team players at their positions. With the existing roster as it is, would we have a better chance of winning with Rose or Beasley? Our guards are better than the not-so “established rotation of Deng, Nocioni, Gooden, Tyrus”. Plain and simple we cannot score inside and drafting Rose will not help solve this fundamental problem. Now… with Beasley commanding double teams, our guard rotation of Hinrich, Thabo, BG, Hughes/Duhon IS good enough to win in this league.
Our guards are better than our power forwards which means that our current need is at the PF position AND Beasley is overall more talented than Rose… for these two reasons we should draft Beasley.
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On this business of which part of the Bulls roster is weaker,
David Thorpe holds the contrary opinion.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
or at the very least
we don’t know how good the forward rotation is. We know the guards are ultimately ‘meh’.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
just drafted Noah and TT. Hinrich is stale and must be replaced.
” Plain and simple we cannot score inside and drafting Rose will not help solve this fundamental problem. Now… “
this is the fundamental flaw in your thinking…
An elite point guard creates inside scoring opportunities as well as outside scoring opportunities(FACT). Fundamental problem solved by Rose. And that is a more reasonable solution to a terrible offense than adding a 6’8 tweener whose abilities are limited to his own stat column. Thats not a terrible thing, but with the #1 you go with the more dynamic/superstar player.
beasley is less likely to become a superstar. 1 year of college and it was Rose who was the superstar almost leading his team to a national championship. you can say what u want about him having better teamates and thats true, but there are plenty of good squads in the NCAA, but only one had rose and he almost took them all the way. during march beasley was at home watching the games just like you and me. so as of now, and anything else is just pure speculation, Rose is the superstar and beas can fill it up.
when we draft rose hinrich will have to be traded. a move that is long overdue. Who is this kirk hinrich guy that you are so confident in that you are willing to pass up possibly the most dominant point guard in recent memory? cause he is not the #12 who has been playing for the bulls.
looking at recent drafts we have taken two very good bigs who were dominant in college and have shown signs of greatness in the NBA, there is no way we add another lottery pick to the frontcourt while ignoring the horrible guard play. Having added 3 lottery picks, Deng, TT, Noah to fit around Hinrich (basically all any player could ask for and thats not even counting BG) it is clear that now pg needs to be addressed, which i think they would have done had they gotten th #9 pick.
F HINRICH
Agreed. Paxson has done a pretty admirable job so far...
...in remolding the team from the high-risk, high-reward, very athletic team to one that was slowly getting incrementally better until this past year. Adding Hinrich, Gordon and Deng over Jamaal Crawford and the likes was a good first step (in my opinion). Then adding Thomas and Noah over guys like Curry and Chandler was another step in the right direction (as far as having more diverse talents). He now has a chance to get appreciably better at the guard position, and he should do it.
The "guards" are better than the PF's.
That’s a pretty craptastic point. Most especially because you’re comparing a group of two positions to one. I have pretty high confidence that the pair of Godden and Thomas getting the majority of time at PF would be among the best PF/48 combo in the league. Top 5 so, I’d say.
The Bulls most productive position last year was PF. The least productive position was PG. Yes, that includes 3 1/2 months of Joe Smith there, but it also includes almost two months without.
The "Beasley is better than Rose" is a legitimate one, imo.
Some people will tell you you’re stupid for that, but it’s a legitimate question, and really the only one that should be considered.
Somebody who has the same opinion as you
on Beasley having more chance to become the superstar.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/05/23/weekly.countdown/2.html
2 Reasons to lean toward Michael Beasley as the No. 1 pick
2. Derrick Rose needs somebody to pass to. If Rose slides to the Heat at No. 2 in the draft, he’ll look better in Miami passing to Dwyane Wade and Shawn Marion than he would in Chicago passing to Luol Deng and Ben Gordon. But here’s what the Bulls need to be asking: How many of the great point guards have won a championship? Of course Tony Parker is excellent, but he has never been ranked among the top three point guards of this era. Billups wasn’t seen as an elite point guard when he quarterbacked a team to the title. Neither were Jason Williams, Derek Fisher, Avery Johnson or John Paxson, who was Michael Jordan’s point guard nearly 20 years ago and is now the Bulls’ general manager charged with making the No. 1 pick. Paxson should know better than anyone the qualities mandatory for a championship team, and an All-Star point guard isn’t among them.1. Beasley has the talent to become a top 10 player. Those are the guys who win championships. Beasley isn’t LeBron James, but a lot of personnel scouts believe that he is the biggest talent in this draft. The Bulls have a lot of good players who haven’t won much of anything. They need a great player, and they should use the No. 1 pick on the prospect most likely to fill that need. If they decide that Rose is that player, then so be it. But they shouldn’t decide based on his position.
The Game chose him !
bah
doesn’t someone need to pass to Beasley? Isn’t that someone going to be Kirk Hinrich?
Who are the tweener SF/PF who’ve won championships…Antoine Walker :)
And if the criteria is being a top-10 player, then what does it matter what position they play?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 26, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Billups isn't a Top PG?
Don’t people that write for the mainstream media usually value intangibles such as toughness, leadership and clutchiness? His ORtg has been ridiculous lately. Oh wait, he said “when he quarterbacked his team to a title”. I get it: since Billups got better and became “elite”, he’s hurt his team. I see.
Why wouldn't they have to trade a PF if Beasley is drafted?
It’s basically only because Gooden will be a FA at the end of this next year. If he were locked up for two or three and Thomas were already extended, w/ Nocioni already in there, there would be just as much of a crowding as w/ the guards now. Having bad contracts on the team shouldn’t change who the #1 overall pick is.
Further, the Bulls haven’t kept Gordon around yet. If he leaves, they’re left with a crappy-and-oldest-on-the-team Larry Hughes for two more years, a hopefully-rebounding-from-a-bad-season-but-maybe-not Hinrich and an obviously-limited Thabo Sefolosha. That’s not a fun backcourt to go forward with.
(sorry for the multiple replies, but I have a short attention span assume others do as well so I was trying to separate the points)
gotta keep Gordon
as u point out the other guards have serious problems. Gordon can at least score thats been the one predictable aspect to this team for the last couple of years. In fact I think it was his scoring that led to inflated preseason expectations last year. IMO BG is currently the best player on the Bulls. I have long thought he should be the point guard…. but with Rose Gordon wont be trapped fighting through screens all game and will have many more open shots. he may be short for a 2 guard but i’d put him in a shooting contest with just about anybody… I wish he’d signed last year… but when kirk is making $10-11 million…. Idon’t see the Bulls trading him, unless they get a stellar 2guard in return, otherwise i dont think they get better by trading away their best scorer.
F HINRICH
Um, yeah. I want them to keep him, too.
But it’s not completely their decision. He’s a restricted free agent meaning other teams can offer more money than the Bulls are willing to offer. Luckily, Gordon’s ability to score should make him more valuable to the Bulls than pretty much any other team. But if another team offers him 5 years/$70 mil, he’s probably gone knowing that the Bulls only offered him $5/50 last summer. It’s unlikely someone will offer him that much, but you never know.
If they draft Beasley
re-signing Gordon becomes absolutely imperative for the team’s success. I hope they don’t get into a situation where they are picking Deng over Gordon because of penny pinching issues, but if that happens we may have to latch our backcourt hopes on the contract push of Corey Maggette.
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by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
trade for #2 pick
we keep #1 and draft rose. then trade Hinrich, Deng, and Sefo for #2/Beasley.
Deng has been a disappointment and Beasley’s scroing ability makes him more valuable than deng to this bull’s team, especially his ability to hit the 3. the heat get 2 possible starters plus Sefo and we replace Deng with Beasley who is more of a scoring threat… i dunno… but i expect the bulls to make a move in addition to gdrafting rose. this one doesnt get a veteran superstar, yet i like it
F HINRICH
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