Paxson (and friends) 5/21 media tour
Pax with Mike and Mike (insider required)
Highlight: Paxson saying 'process' a lot, Golic daring to use the word 'timetable'.
Sam Smith and KC Johnson with Mike North (warning: contains Mike North)
Highlight: KC whining about how the Bulls needing veterans, suggesting that they deal the #1 pick for Baron Davis.
Pax was also with Waddle and Silvy today, but the podcast isn't up yet. (update: find it here.)
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So Pax says he's only going to work out those two guys.
Other than the 2nd round fodder. That should be obvious, I suppose, but it means no Kevin Love!!! And other similar trading down folk.
He also said he sees Beasley at the 4 (when asked if he thought he could play SF or PF), which means he’d have to be willing to give up on Thomas if he drafts Beasley.
Or not. I’m not good at interpreting PaxSpeak.
That’s from this link on his just completed press conference, which I don’t know if it works or not.
by tyger1147 on May 21, 2008 2:36 PM CDT 0 recs
Waddle and Silvy podcast
http://podloc.andohs.net/dloadTrack.mp3?prm=2835xhttp://query-origin.andohs.net/8000A6/content-root3.andomedia.com/origin/mp3/stations/990/waddlesilvy/waddlesilvy080521.mp3
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 21, 2008 2:37 PM CDT 0 recs
bah
It’s up if you go to the Podcenter, and click on “Local.”
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on
May 21, 2008 2:38 PM CDT
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sam smith
hinrich has more trade value than gordon…
Heat likely to say Beasley + Marion for Rose
F HINRICH
by 234L on May 21, 2008 2:42 PM CDT 0 recs
That's weird
I have insider and it still won’t let me watch
by Option27 on May 21, 2008 2:42 PM CDT 0 recs
Waddle asked him about being head coach
Paxson had a hearty LOLZ, and I died a little inside when he stated 5 times he “doesn’t believe in timetables.”
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 21, 2008 2:49 PM CDT 0 recs
Did anyone ask him about trading hinrich
Im assuming he would say something like, “Hinrich is a very valuable player to us and well have to see who we draft but we might have to move some pieces. We wont worry about that until later, right now its about picking the right player to fit into our organization” which basically is the same as saying “no comment’
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 21, 2008 2:53 PM CDT 0 recs
I listened to
the Mike and Mike interview. They asked him if he would take calls on trading the #1 pick and he said you have to. He said he thought there would be a lot of dialogue at the draft camp. All he said about the players on the roster now is that he has pieces that can be moved.
He said he has four people coming in for interviews for the coaching vacancy. Jeff Hornacek and Tyrone Corbin were the only two I can remember.
by sue369 on
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dwane casey
and chuck person are the others… it’s in the trib.
by Jaina on
May 21, 2008 3:04 PM CDT
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Baron Davis?
Really? Honestly? Seriously? Ha! Yes lets trade the number pick for a guy prone to injuries, a shoot first point guard, and who I believe has a contract that ends after the upcoming season
by The90sBullsRevival on May 21, 2008 3:36 PM CDT 0 recs
keep in mind
KC also thought Ben Wallace would be fine if you just left him out there for 35 minutes a game.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
May 21, 2008 3:36 PM CDT
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I remembering being so happy when K.C. came back from covering
the Bears. K.C. is just sad now.
formerly sbulls
by Scotter on
May 21, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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You're being cheritable
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 21, 2008 4:05 PM CDT
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Disregard KC's opinions on trades
because once he advocated the Baron Davis deal, he lost all credibilty as a trade monger. I still like reading him, though.
If Hinrich does indeed have that level of trade value, then move him but not for Marion unless the Bulls just want that expiring deal. I realize there is nothing that says you can’t play Kirk and Rose together, but if I’m the Bulls, I didn’t just draft a thoroughbred to have him run with an undersized combo guard that can’t shoot.
I’d still consider starting Thabo at the 2 but that doesn’t mean that BG doesn’t get his 32 minutes. It makes no sense to start BG aside from placating his ego. If I’m the Bulls, I didn’t just draft a thoroughbred to have him guard the opponent’s 2 guards because you’re starting the Flintstone vitamin of 2 guards in the backcourt with Rose. You make accomodations for a guy like Rose, not a guy like BG. BG’s streaky to the point that you want to tap into his offense at the most opportune times because you don’t know when you’ll get that from Ben, and if he’s not scoring, he’s a liability, so keep him on the bench. This may change when playing with a playmaking PG like Rose, however. I see easier looks for Ben, looks where he doesn’t have to put the ball on the floor because once he does, it’s a turnover. He’ll still get starter minutes. But don’t give BG $50m/5 years. The Bulls would be bidding against themselves because no other team in the market – except Larry Bird who’s in over his head – would give an undersized two guard with suspect handles, poor decision making skills, and is turnover prone, that type of money. I take comfort that this won’t happen because Ben, like Kirk and Lu, got a bit exposed this past year and aren’t worth the contracts they were offered last year, if they were even worth them then. Don’t bid against yourself for an undersized 2, that’s all I’m saying.
by messwiththebull on May 21, 2008 3:57 PM CDT 0 recs
Seriously, Matt,
I just want to say you did a great job last night and today. This is the biggest story in a long time for Bulls fans, and you were on top of every angle, putting out new, targetted posts, practically by the hour. Congratulations…and thanks.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on May 21, 2008 4:04 PM CDT 0 recs
don't be a suckup.
then again, you can all email me and say how great I am.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
May 21, 2008 4:07 PM CDT
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Yeah, it's be just like me
to suck up to you.
You did a nice job. I’m sure it was a lot of work.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
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Kudos to Matt, agreed
This is a great blog and I’m thankful for not only being able to post here, to get the news, but also for not being banned yet.
by messwiththebull on May 21, 2008 4:07 PM CDT 0 recs
what I've always wanted
to be feared and sort of respected.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
May 21, 2008 4:08 PM CDT
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Running an internet sports blog covering the Chicago Bulls obviously is the clearest path to that
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on
May 21, 2008 4:09 PM CDT
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kudos
best blog ever
and what a great day to be a Bulls fan.
thank you lottery gods.
by Orlando Woolridge on
May 21, 2008 10:09 PM CDT
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The more i hear about these trade ideas..The more i get worried that paxson might screw this up..
by SK23 on May 21, 2008 4:11 PM CDT 0 recs
It's interesting
to hear Pax revise his stump speech through all these recordings, but stay centered on the same themes. It’s also amazing that all these media guys ask basically the exact same questions.
More on point, hearing Pax speak about these things (a) makes me feel a lot better about the coaching search (and not getting D’Antoni; Pax isn’t an overlord, but you can’t expect the guy not to be involved if he’s going to be making all the personnel decisions), and (b) makes me confident that he’s going to make the right choice between Rose and Beasley. First of all, he’s not talking about anybody else. Second, he said somewhere that they’re going to watch every game these guys have played. And, if I can decipher his politicking and dodging, he seems to be leaning toward Rose, saying that he’s not going to pick toward a pre-defined need, he’s going to prize leadership and talent over position, and that our pre-existing roster will not influence his decision because he’ll make changes around that guy. I don’t think he’s going to let our glut of guards prevent him from picking Rose. (Where he might screw up is the tinkering afterwards; not that I think he will, but it’s much more likely.)
by arjoseph on May 21, 2008 4:16 PM CDT 0 recs
I'm glad you mentioned Paxson's revised stup speech
What I noticed is that he said a number of times that "technically, we are the youngest team in the league."
In the past, he’s always followed up comments about how young the Bulls are with some other statement about how he sees no virtue in that. Today, that follow-up was conspicuous by its absence.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 21, 2008 4:23 PM CDT
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I totally agree.
I can’t pinpoint a specific comment, but I definitely got a feel that he was liking that he has all this “young talent” and can bring in a possible true difference-maker. Paxson’s life and and legacy can be set by making the right decisions this summer. It’s a pretty monumental task (that still requires luck and savvy and know-how), but it’s better to have that as the big job instead of just trying to save your job.
I’d love to see him get rid of one of the Nocioni or Hinrich contracts this summer, because I know he’ll be able to get rid of Hughes’s next year.
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is that soon enough?
I’m in favor of dealing Hughes for anyone with a contract of equal or shorter length, even (especially?) if it’s someone they wouldn’t be ‘forced’ to play. You’d think Hughes himself would fall under that category, but…
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Sure, if he gets rid of one of the longer contracts this summer.
A) Since I think Nocioni’s best days might be behind him, his contract will only get worse until the last year or so of his contract.
B) Sort of the same thing w/ Kirk except that I think he’ll be better. However, if the Bulls take Rose, there are going to be a lot of times calling for Hinrich’s services. If he takes a reduced role and doesn’t return to at least last year’s efficiency, it will only get harder to trade him for the next couple of years.
C) Hughes contract is certainly trade-able right now, but as snley pointed out to me earlier, it will only have more value because of the Great Summer of 2010.
So, if they can get rid of all three, great. But for this summer, I would say Hughes is the least important. I don’t think (or rather hope) that Paxson or the new coach will take any guff from a 30-year-old underachieving/overpaid, me-first whiner. So I see that less of a problem now.
Does that make any sense? I may have come to wrong conclusions, but that’s what I came up with.
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May 21, 2008 5:31 PM CDT
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Makes perfect sense
I can’t see Pax signing any coach prone towards the same mistakes as this year. Guys will have to play their way onto the court.
by California Al on
May 21, 2008 11:13 PM CDT
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And obviously....
...a lot depends on Gordon and Deng. When can they start to negotiate with them? Legally or illegally?
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May 21, 2008 5:32 PM CDT
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7/1 negotiate
but they can’t be officially signed for a couple weeks after that. However, reports of signings/deals leak out often ahead of time.
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Same thoughts here but different quotes
When Pax referred to Rose as a leader, a type that “every team covets”, that was his tell, in my opinion. He praised Beasley as well but more as a go-to scorer type, and didn’t emphasize something more specific to the team’s situation like “post presence we’ve been lacking”, which you touched on as well.
Being a Bulls fan is an emotional rollercoaster.
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Listening to Waddle and Silvy
When Calipari says Rose cries when he loses and hates to lose more than anything, it just made me smile from ear to ear.
Just to think of Joakim and Derrick hating to lose that much, these guys are gonna get crazy
I love life
by Option27 on May 21, 2008 7:07 PM CDT 0 recs
My first thought was
Cedric Benson.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 21, 2008 7:21 PM CDT
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Theres also
Adam Morrison…..uhhh
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on
May 21, 2008 8:08 PM CDT
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but he cried
DURING a game.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on
May 21, 2008 8:28 PM CDT
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Maybe competitive crying isn't that much of a virtue after all.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 21, 2008 8:30 PM CDT
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great quote in light of the speaker!
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on
May 22, 2008 7:36 AM CDT
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Joakim took a little flack
for his postseason comments about not holding back verbally next year. I love this kid, loved how TT seemed to partner up with him towards the end, and think that core II really has something going on.
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Speaking of partnering up
I wonder how the demoted Kirk will impact his KU buddy. They seemed to form some sort of mutual admiration society when Gooden arrived…and I thought that was partially behind Gooden’s unearned minutes.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 21, 2008 11:38 PM CDT
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Demoted Kirk?
That’s a little premature don’t you think? For all we know it may be a Rose/HInrich starting backcourt next season.
by sue369 on
May 22, 2008 6:34 AM CDT
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I think it's pretty much a foregone conclusion no matter which player we draft.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 22, 2008 8:37 AM CDT
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Guess we'll
just have to wait and see. I wouldn’t bet your house on it though.
by sue369 on
May 22, 2008 10:09 AM CDT
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...maybe one of my ex's houses, though.
Sue, if Kirk is still on this team-especially if the Bulls draft Rose-I think you will want to see him gone to a better situation.
That said, I do find myself leanin g slightly toward Beasley, and if he’s the guy, maybe Hinrich doesn’t too much of his pt next season.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 22, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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just make it your signature already.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
May 22, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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"No one cares what you think"
would be more appropriate
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on
May 22, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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How would drafting Beasley have the slightest impact on Kirk's PT?
If the Bulls draft Beasley, that leaves Kirk, Gordon, Thabo and Hughes to share the back court minutes. Obviously, this will partly depend on the next coach, but what has Thabo ever done or Hughes done the last couple seasons to show they deserve more minutes than Kirk?
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on
May 22, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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If Beasley's the pick
Tyrus becomes expendable…but for what? My guess is an upgrade at point guard. Ben Gordon’s ability to space the floor makes him even more valuable with Beasley on the block.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
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If the Bulls draft Beasley, an upgrade in the backcourt or the wing is a good place to go next
At the same time, it’d be interesting to see how far the team can go with a young, athletic, good rebounding front court rotation of Beasley, Thomas, Noah, and Gooden (wow, would Gray stick out like a sore thumb at practice with those guys). Gooden could easily fill in as Noah’s back up at the 5 if playing with either Beasley or Thomas. Plus, with how small most teams like to play anymore, it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility to play Beasley and Thomas together.
There’s just so many potential directions to go from this point forward that it’d be folly to assume that any player on this team won’t be back next season. With his contract status, Kirk is probably more likely than say Deng or Gordon, but there’s no guarantee.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on
May 22, 2008 11:08 AM CDT
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With the addition of either Rose or Beasley,
suddenly, all the Bulls players become a little better.
Everyone of them is above average for a typical supporting cast player.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
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Thoughts on Paxson and Chad Ford
“will watch every game they played…”
This sounds insane? What is he looking for. I just don’t see this as really a hard decision but this statement is frightening! Maybe it’s just PaxSpeak waster filler words?
I didn’t see picking Brandon Roy over Tyrus and Aldrigde as a hard decision either.
Pax, you need leadership, Camillo Anthony has talent and no leadership. Bealsey has talent and really not in position to exhibit leadership. These player will not make really make others better other than occassionally drawing a double team and attempt to shoot over it. Camillo is not in the same class as Lebron! Yet he might be a key scoring option for a team, much like James Worthy was with the Lakers with Magic Johnson as the cornerstone.
Tyrus, and Noah need Rose to draw a double team and also throw a lob pass on the same possession. Kirk and/or Gordon need Rose to drive and kick out a pass without much effort. Paxson needs Derrick Rose to guarantee his job.
Did Pax watch the NCAA Tournament or was he spending family time or on vacation? Is a game that occurred in October, November against a marginal team going to show you more than tournament games where the stakes are win or go home against tough competition?
Chad Ford seems to be bi-polar and Paxson should clearly see thru his BS. Is he being paid by the Heat or does he owe Riley a favor? On the one hand Ford says ..
“On the one hand, Chicago has needed a low-post scorer for a long time, and Beasley fits the bill. He’s also a top-notch rebounder, which would fulfill another need for the Bulls” ........true
but on the other hand he says
“But if the Bulls select Rose No. 1, the word on the street is that the Heat might be willing to deal the pick. While Beasley would be an upgrade over Udonis Haslem, it sounds like the Heat aren’t sold”
Yet, the Heat might not be sold on “Beasley” because he’s a potential risks, (and the Heat might deal the pick??? yet he says Bealsey is good enough for the Bulls at the first pick?) And Ford suggest that Bealsey is a marginal upgrade over Haslem? What does that make Tyrus, Noah, Gooden and potentially Deng down the road… chop liver compared to Beasley?
by exult463 on May 21, 2008 7:29 PM CDT 0 recs
Get over your animosity towards Pax for a second and think about it
This man has considerably more invested in the outcome of this pick than just about anyone else. He has every right to spend as much time and energy as he can getting to know both players over the next few weeks. If anything, it’s the duty of his position to do so.
While everyone here at BaB may see Rose as the obvious choice, numerous people who evaluate basketball players professionally see the difference in talent and potential as much smaller. The Bulls had a 1.7% chance of being in this position, it wouldn’t have made sense for them to spend much time scouting either player before last night. Certainly, Paxson’s looking for input from several people about Beasley and Rose. Again, this is what he should be doing. It’s doubtful Chad Ford, and probably most other members of the press, have his attention. NBA Observer, though, should probably be waiting by the phone. I’m sure Paxson’s heard of his arduous film sessions.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on
May 21, 2008 8:27 PM CDT
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So you're good with taking Riley's word on things?
The snake oil salesman GM with the pick behind the Bulls? You think you can believe anything the man says about draft picks right now?
My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!
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Now that I have availed myself of the extended
deadline for renewing season tickets (that Bulls’ marketing department doesn’t miss a trick), someone needs to tell me a few great facts about Rose.
Can he score? Can he get to the rack? What is his vertical? How athletic is he?
I need to me made to feel as if my decision was correct. Thank you in advance.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!
by 1958ChiTown on May 21, 2008 7:59 PM CDT 0 recs
He's got the best cross over I've ever seen at any level.
I’m surprised guys don’t just fall over as Rose blows by them.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 21, 2008 8:07 PM CDT
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He's as some work to do though.
He dribbles way too high, but man can he get to the rim.
formerly sbulls
by Scotter on
May 21, 2008 8:34 PM CDT
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This is a good clip that Tri posted earlier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6G_RRGHzfA
Some of his moves are mind-blowing.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 21, 2008 8:39 PM CDT
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That one dunk (at the UC!) is pretty amazing.
But I have watched all of his youtube montages from Memphis and it doesn’t seem that he dunked all that often in college. Tons of floaters, leaners, and stuff off the glass.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!
by 1958ChiTown on
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yes, yes,
“chin on the rim” sez Calipari, so athletic it’ll freak your brain.
I’ll leave it to the ‘experts’ but it seems to me one of the many great parts about Rose is his athletic ability and size allowing him to finish at the rim. I know, Bulls fans likely don’t think it’s possible for a guard to do that. But youtube tells me otherwise.
Plus you get some unmeasureables like leadership, vision, etc.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
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I lost count of how many times Bilas said "explosive" and "most explosive"
when he was describing Rose last night.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 21, 2008 8:27 PM CDT
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Probably as much as he used Freakish
When describing Tyrus 2 years ago
by Option27 on
May 21, 2008 10:24 PM CDT
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why do we listen
to Bilas descriptions? Him and Stephen A. Jackson are prototypes.
by exult463 on
May 21, 2008 10:39 PM CDT
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I seem to remember some guy who played guard in Chicago finishing at the rim
But it seems so long ago, he must have played for the long defunct Chicago Packers.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on
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hmm
That works out to a what, 53 inch vertical? Maybe not his chin.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on
May 21, 2008 8:35 PM CDT
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I said it was Calipari
he made sure he repeated it, it was that mindblowing to him, heh.
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As I said to my boss....
...in two or three years, the Bulls could end up with the most athletic player at his position in the entire NBA at two different positions.
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Beasley and Rose's tournament games are still up
at March Madness On Demand. I’ve been watching some of the games again the last day.
formerly sbulls
by Scotter on
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Anyone else notice
that he dominated a few highly touted point guards, like my boy Collison and Augustine? I’m just as excited about his ability to neutralize some of the phenomenal pg’s around the league today.
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