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Just remind yourself every minute or so: the Bulls won the lottery.

It's only been a couple hours. I think the high has come down (a bit), and I'm starting to try and actually think about what the Bulls really should (and will) do.

It's early, but so far it isn't a situation where I knee-jerkedly say "take Rose" (which I did), and then as time goes on I start to think more and more about Beasley. It's pretty much still all in favor of selecting Derrick Rose.

He just seems the exact type of player, a real upgrade, that can be immediately plugged in without any messing with the rest of the roster. If anything he'll improve it, as while Rose won't make anyone better, he'll can get them open.

Plus there's something to be said about how much easier it's been made for guards to dominate the league. As 'Scotter' said in the comments, you'd abide by the old advice to 'go big' if Beasley was projected to be a Duncan or Hakeem. But he's a slightly undersized power forward, who can rebound but isn't going to be a defensive game-changer. To me, if you're passing on Rose for a big man, it better be for one that can dominate both ends.

And looking position-wise with this roster, with a player as good as Rose (can be), there's no guard logjam to influence the decision. Heck, was there anyway? There's one above-average guard on the roster, and that's Gordon. Why pass on Rose to just keep that status quo? You can make a similar case for Beasley as an upgrade over the Tyrus/Noah/Gooden frontcourt rotation, but I was actually more comfortable with those three than the backcourt (and there's always the chance of getting a frontcourt upgrade through other means).

So far, Chad Ford, my man T-Zilly, and Stacey King (yes, a lottery win will get me to watch ComcastSportsNet) say to draft Beasley. I saw Jay Bilas on SportsCenter advocate Rose. I'm sure there will be plenty of 'expert' opinions each way. I'm so deep in the Rose camp that I'm convinced that anyone who thinks the Bulls should take Beasley is biased as a result of being scared of a Derrick Rose led Bulls team.

But besides what I think, and what the experts think, it's likely the Bulls believe Rose is the guy. Based on all the PaxSpeak we've heard over the years, they value leadership, work ethic, and even more oblique attributes like 'resonating with our fans'. And yes, I make fun of Pax when he talks like that, and will continue to do so. But, all those intangibles point to Derrick Rose. Especially the 'resonate' part if you judge the poll here (70/30 in favor of Rose), and the fact that Rose is from Chicago

This is the type of decision that will bring out some, er, 'strong' feelings. For either guy (and even moreso for the fringe that want to deal the pick). But we should all remember that this will be remembered as a great night however it works out. A time to praise the great Steve "Stan" Schanwald, and for comments like (my favorite of the night, courtesy of RogersPark Kris) "I guess we won't be re-signing Duhon".

A 1.7% chance, and Pax finally got his lucky break. All the great ones need it sometime.

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How good will Rose be as a rookie?

A lot of point guards struggle in their first year, and Rose is only 19. I’m leaning towards taking him anyways, but Beasley can probably contribute more right away.

by Big D on May 20, 2008 11:17 PM CDT   0 recs

I should've said something about that logic as well

I don’t think taking the best player ‘now’ is a sound strategy at all, when picking this high. I agree that I wouldn’t be that high on his rookie season production either. Better than Mike Conley’s though.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 20, 2008 11:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, I agree

It’s something to consider, but they’ve got to be thinking about the next decade with this pick, not just next season. I mean, they might not have another chance to draft a superstar like this for a generation (at least I hope they don’t, since if they do then something probably went wrong). The Bulls aren’t winning the championship next year anyways.

by Big D on May 20, 2008 11:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It depends on what Beasley is.

Is he a ‘6 8” perimeter player or is he a 6’ 10” post player?

Rose will probably fall in between the mediocre rookie season D Will had and the very promising rookie season Paul had. A lot depends on the makeup of the team, obviously, but I’d take my chances with Rose, especially on a team that may not have much early success. I fear Beasley under a similar scenario.

by messwiththebull on May 21, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As much as I'd like to take credit for it

RogersPark Kris made the Duhon comment.

This debate will continue until you hear that ESPN report by Marc Stein that reads “Report : The Bulls to select Rose with number 1 overall pick”

I’m just still stoked that the Bulls are finally the talk of the NBA again and all of a sudden, we’re the young darlings of the NBA. Sorry Portland.

I was also kinda scared that the Bulls were going to fall off the national TV map after this miserable season but this pretty much assures us that the Bulls will once again be fun to watch. No more last second TV scratches, I hope.

by Option27 on May 20, 2008 11:21 PM CDT   0 recs

Not that I really care, but Miami wants Rose, too.

They really don’t need a PF. I think they might trade down, maybe just one spot or so, since they need help, just not Beasley’s, unless they think he can play a different position, or Marion’s going to leave.

"I tell you, Steve Blass, you pitch me inside, they never, never find that ball."
-Roberto Clemente

by cubbybear on May 21, 2008 12:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Duhon 2.0

becomes hinrich. this is a MUCH improved backup defensive SCORING point guard.

by gman2849 on May 20, 2008 11:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah not like

the utah game that took over on espn last season

Tyrus Thomas
-"Million dollar talent, ten cent head."

by bulls*hit on May 20, 2008 11:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When are trades allowed again?

I have a feeling we won’t know anything about the Bulls consideration until Pax sees what he can get for Hinrich, Tyrus or Gooden

by Option27 on May 20, 2008 11:27 PM CDT   0 recs

I thought there was a date

that all NBA teams are allowed to start dealing again after the Feb deadline

by Option27 on May 20, 2008 11:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

According to 2k8

when the offseason starts, trades are once again a go. But thats in video game world, im sure the real world has some more restrictions.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 21, 2008 1:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

why trade them?

when they appear to become soooo much better with a great player taking the lead in rose. you just end up taking a step back. Deng was injured last year and gordon was double teamed because hinrich wasn’t pulling his weight. And Hinrich becomes a much better upgrade as a backup point/2 then anything we had before (duhon???)

by gman2849 on May 21, 2008 12:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe not, but

it’s evened out considering that Rose will be locked into a rookie contract for 4 years.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 21, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's still a lot

As the number 1 pick Rose would make 4.5, 5, 5.5, 6. Kirk’s contract declines at an adverse rate. All in all the Bulls would have about 15 million committed to the PG position.

I don’t think that’s tenable in the NBA.

by NBA Observer on May 21, 2008 11:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

$15 mil spread over 2 players at the same position is actually pretty reasonable

Especially when you consider that one of those players can reasonably play 2 positions. Having you begun smoking something in the last week or so?

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 21, 2008 11:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How is 15 mil at one position reasonable?

You have 5 positions to fill, about 62 mil in cap space, and 68 mil to the luxury tax.

It’s unreasonable to expect every position to share the same amount of salary, but the salary cap numbers would produce a per position contractual limit of 12.4 million. Approaching the luxtax it’s 13.6 mil per position.

Of course, 15 million is reasonable if you’re an owner willing to bust the luxury tax.

by NBA Observer on May 21, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

God, you're thick.

The Bulls aren’t paying shit at the PF/C positions right now. And if they get rid of or don’t sign one either Hughes, Gordon, Deng or Nocioni, they aren’t paying it at another position either.

He didn’t say paying $15 mil at every position is a great idea.

by tyger1147 on May 21, 2008 12:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Um, you know how much will be locked in at SF

Chapu+Deng=possibly 18-20 million, add in more with Thabo.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 21, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I favor trading Nocioni if Deng agrees to an extension

My cheesy exception to the 15 mil per position notion is that Deng and Noc both see time at the 4 because any coach will always use a small lineup if they think it’s necessary.

by NBA Observer on May 21, 2008 1:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is this what you're looking for?

http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-rookie-salary-scale-2008/101

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 21, 2008 7:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

sure

unsurprisingly, NBAO was just pulling random numbers as if he knew them in his head.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 21, 2008 7:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, well,

not sure exactly what “declining at an adverse rate” would be, either.

Reclining?

Inclining?

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 21, 2008 7:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Heres one

I dont know if this would work but Kirk Larry to Portland for the contract that is Steve Francis this years pick and Channing Frye.

by TRiCioNeRo on May 20, 2008 11:31 PM CDT   0 recs

Playing right next to Saer Sene

Man, what a frontcourt!

"I tell you, Steve Blass, you pitch me inside, they never, never find that ball."
-Roberto Clemente

by cubbybear on May 21, 2008 12:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If we

slide Frye over to the 3, we can throw Marc Gasol into the mix. Think of the length!

by Petor on May 21, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

also

Francis’ contract was bought out

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 20, 2008 11:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I still think it's legitimately too close to call.

We are talking about the kid that loves Sponge Bob Square Pants compared to the kid that got a gummy bear tummy ache at the final 4.

And Riley has already suggested he might propose some sort of trade for swapping 1 and 2, which, depending on what he offers, might be worth considering.

My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!

by wjb1492 on May 20, 2008 11:33 PM CDT   0 recs

Hehehe
“(The Bulls) have a starting point guard in Kirk Hinrich, and (Ben) Gordon plays that position a lot,” Riley said. “Probably down the road, I’ll be talking to (Chicago General Manager) John Paxson.”

Sure Pat, we’ll take Dwyane Wade for the number 1 pick.

by Big D on May 20, 2008 11:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

do you think there's any chance he'd trade Wade?

I’d like to, but I kind of doubt it.

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on May 20, 2008 11:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No way

The only way he’d do it is if he know that Wade is damaged goods because of all his injuries.

by Big D on May 20, 2008 11:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Then we shouldn't trade for him

No matter how many times he gets up from falls.

"I tell you, Steve Blass, you pitch me inside, they never, never find that ball."
-Roberto Clemente

by cubbybear on May 21, 2008 12:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it just goes to show

how much of a weasel pat is.

and how much he wants rose…

he will never offer anything better for rose. but he’ll try

by gman2849 on May 20, 2008 11:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

riles has always been a Kirk fluffer

send him there for Dequan Cook if riles loves him so much.

get that contract off the books at any cost.

by Orlando Woolridge on May 20, 2008 11:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Riley has been scouting

the top choices half of the year. If you’ll recall, he just left the bench and let the heat flounder in order to find the best talent to draft.

He knows the difference between Rose and Beasly is big.

by gman2849 on May 21, 2008 8:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Excellent point

Last night, he looked the most bummed I’ve maybe ever seen him.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 21, 2008 8:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That quote tells me that Riley

thinks the Bulls are taking Rose, which he also gave that indication last night when he said he’d consider dealing the #2 pick. It’s been reported that Riley loves Rose and isn’t sold on B-Easy, and if this is true, Riley’s comments would only support that thought.

by messwiththebull on May 21, 2008 1:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't get it

Aren’t there trades going on all night during the draft?

The draft is June 26th

by Option27 on May 20, 2008 11:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes there are

but remember they are always pending trades that aren’t made official until later. So the player has to go put on some hat for a team he is never going to play for. Why? Who knows.

by BoxingHideout on May 21, 2008 12:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Stacey King did hedge his pick of Beasley

by saying that if the Bulls get an uptempo offense coach rather than a grind it out halfcourt coach, he’d pick Rose.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 20, 2008 11:46 PM CDT   0 recs

even a grind it out coach

will want a penetrating point who defends

by gman2849 on May 20, 2008 11:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wow.

Wade seems a lil pissed right now at not winning the lottery. No one “deserves” to win the lottery… (except for boston last year, i mean, cmon, no.5?) at least the heat got someone to replace Shaq or Haslem and can do it big. dont cry.. not again..

Tyrus Thomas
-"Million dollar talent, ten cent head."

by bulls*hit on May 20, 2008 11:50 PM CDT   0 recs

I think that article was before the lottery...

He was all smiles and fist pumps when they landed #2.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on May 21, 2008 12:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's still a weird comment

Apparently having talent that sits with injuries, and losing spectacularly even when that talent does play, makes you more deserving than not having talent? Hell, maybe it does, if the reason you don’t have talent is your crappy GM traded it for 5 magic beans and an expiring contract.

But maybe it was one of those things where someone specifically asked him if Miami “deserved” the #1 pick and he was just parroting that word back…

My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!

by wjb1492 on May 21, 2008 12:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Your post pretty much sums up my thoughts Matt.

I won’t have a firm opinion on Rose versus Beasley until at least the official measurements come out and I can take a 2nd look at them. But, I’m leaning Rose too.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on May 20, 2008 11:51 PM CDT   0 recs

10 years of drafting

and if we didn’t muff it, we got a high pick when there was no great (sometimes even good) talent available.

throw in a freak accident that left us without a potentially very good point guard and this is the first time that we really make up for those lean years.

and what makes it that much sweeter is that the last few years (deng gordon tyrus noah) we gathered some very decent players to surround this pick

by gman2849 on May 20, 2008 11:58 PM CDT   0 recs

You're right

suddenly our “supporting cast” looks like a damn fine supporting cast.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 21, 2008 12:09 AM CDT   0 recs

Yeah

With a starter coming in instead of a backup, this team looks pretty deep.

Playing off of Henry Ford,

IMO, Paxson can take whoever he wants, as long as its Derrick Rose.

"I tell you, Steve Blass, you pitch me inside, they never, never find that ball."
-Roberto Clemente

by cubbybear on May 21, 2008 12:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL cubby!

Love your sig as well.

Joakim Noah for player/coach!

by marionette on May 21, 2008 12:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Check this vid

Derrick Rose on our court wearin number 25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6G_RRGHzfA

by TRiCioNeRo on May 21, 2008 12:10 AM CDT   0 recs

wow

laughed out loud watching that.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 21, 2008 12:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sorry, but I gotta post

Just got here and I’ve got to say how ecstatic I am about this crazy good fortune. I think people will refer to this the same way they refer to the Knicks’ Ewing draft – as a secret NBA conspiracy to get a top flight player to a leading franchise. I’m too overwhelmed to make a thoughtful prediction, but if Miami is determined to get Beasley, I say we pull the ole “we take beasley at 1, you take rose at 2, we swap and owe less money.” A simple move but one that saves us money. Now, to whom do we trade Kirk Hinrich? Rose penetrating and passing to a cutting Deng or Thomas makes me want to fast-forward the summer! Go Bulls! I’m so happy right now!!!

by OldSkoolSloan on May 21, 2008 12:13 AM CDT   0 recs

Trading down just to save a little money would be a terrible idea

Whoever the Bulls pick is going to be the team’s franchise player (at least he better be). Why pull something like that and get off on the wrong foot with him just to save a few hundred thousand dollars? If they trade with Miami, it better be to get additional players, not just to save money.

by Big D on May 21, 2008 12:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Missing my point

I’m saying, if Rose is our guy and Miami really wants Beasley, we take their guy and force them to give us some cash or send a crap player. This is exactly what we did with Aldridge and Thomas a few years ago: we got the guy we wanted AND Sogalia from Portland AND we paid Thomas less money cause he was a lower pick. I’m not talking about trading away our pick, I’m talking about leverage.

But it sounds like Miami wants Rose too, so forget about it.

by OldSkoolSloan on May 21, 2008 8:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It was Veektor from Portland

My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!

by wjb1492 on May 21, 2008 11:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

AND

that trade for Aldridge didn’t work out so hot.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on May 21, 2008 1:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

So imagine how “hot” that pick would look if we were paying Thomas as if he were drafted number two instead of number four. Thomas went/goes $3.5, 3.7, 4.7,6.2 and Aldridge went/goes $4.3, 4.6, 5.8, 7.6.

Do you people get it yet? Again, Miami probably wants Rose too, but understand the concept.

by OldSkoolSloan on May 21, 2008 1:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs