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Timberwolves Willing to Trade Down From #2 Spot

I do not know how reliable this source is, and I was not able to find the site the guy found this information on, but I though it was interesing.  The guy says:

I just read some insider info posted on a Wolves board (not RealGM), by a reliable
poster, that McHale really dislikes Beasley. He thinks he has severe character
issues and compares him to J.R. Rider.
The practical implication of this is that if they get the #2 pick and Rose is gone,
they may be open to trading down. Several of the posters think the Bulls would be
a good trading partner, specifically mentioning Noah + the Bulls' pick for the #2 pick.

Star-divide

If the Wolves actually think Beasly is too much trouble for their team the Bulls should definitely trade Joakim and our pick.  I know the odds of the Wolves getting the #2 pick is not fantastic.  But it could very well happen and if it does and the Wolves want to trade down, the Bulls should definitely try to get Michael Beasley.  Another positive is that most of the teams having a legit shot at the 1st pick like Derrick Rose a lot, so that makes the chances of the Wolves trading their pick even more likely.

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New Prediction!

If this happens, then McHale is tarred and feathered by the entire city of Minneapolis and forced to run naked all the way back to Boston.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on May 15, 2008 11:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good, but there's one problem

And it can be summed up in four words: Starting center Aaron Gray.

by Big D on May 16, 2008 12:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sold on Beasley

He’s not really a center. We do need to have one. He does have a pretty decent shot, though, for a guy his size.

6’9” 235

No thanks. Unless they’ll throw in Jefferson if we throw in Duhon, after a sign and trade. Did they even see the Golden State game?

"I tell you, Steve Blass, you pitch me inside, they never, never find that ball."
-Roberto Clemente

by cubbybear on May 16, 2008 2:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

beasley

Im sure if the bulls can get beasley by just giving up noah and their pick, I imagine they wouldnt pass that up. They would have to set out on a new plan that might include trading gooden or tyrus and somehow package that with gordon or deng to get a good starting center which is not easy (maybe okafor). All of this is a long shot and I dont see anyone passing up on Beasley. The guy looks like a better scorer than durant and looks like a more ready version of carmelo but wouldnt be making 15 million a year. A line up of:

Hinrich
Gordon
Thabo/Nocioni
Beasley/Thomas
Okafor

That looks pretty good to me. Much more balanced than what the bulls have right now.

by Sambossanova on May 16, 2008 7:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade

I agree Beasly is, with Rose, the best player on this draft. But I wouldn’t want to trade Joakim. Noah will be a great leader, maybe not that kind of making us champions, but the intensity that he plays could influence other guys in the future. Yes, I would like to take a shot on beasly, but I would try to package our pick, plus Nocioni and another player from this group:

Duhon (sign and trade)
Hughes
Gordon
Gooden (although, I would like gooden to stay)
Gray (is not so good as we think)

More players for a rookie, even a rookie like beasly or rose, i think it would be bad trade. Just look at the last year trades envolving rookies…

When are you going to do something good Pax?

by bull83 on May 16, 2008 7:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Keep Noah

Figure out a way to do it by keeping Noah!

by chgobr on May 16, 2008 8:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that Minny

already have Jefferson at PF, and they are looking for the complement to him. Noah looks like the perfect complement to Jefferson (defense, pass out of the post, unselfish, a warrior, a leader, etc).

On the other hand, on the Bulls perspective, if they could get Beasley, the one player they would like to keep is Noah too, for the exact same reasons. Beasley, Gooden, Tyrus would be a logjam at PF, with no center to go with them.

This is why this scenario (Minny trading down with Bulls) is unlikely, unless they want to take Aaron Gray of course :-)

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on May 16, 2008 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noah

been reading these guys all year and they’ve lamented the Wolves taking Brewer instead of Noah, and they use the same reasoning that he’d be a great complement to Jefferson.

While you’re correct that Noah would also be nice to keep here, I’d think replacing him is easier than finding a Beasley. In fact, the fact that McHale has reservations should have him vaulting up our draft board :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 16, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are so lucky they took Brewer over Noah.

Nobody’d even know who Brewer was if Noah and Horford hadn’t carried him to two NCAA titles.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is exactly the kind of comment

that I was talking about in the draft thread. Completely uninformed.

by Illini15 on May 16, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You must think Brewer has a chance

of being a player in the league.

I don’t.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

He’s long, very athletic, his handle and jumper are improving, and he’s a very good defender. There’s no reason he shouldn’t stick around.

Look at what his long-lost cousin Ronnie is doing in Utah. Very similar players.

by Illini15 on May 16, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has no shot whatsoever

and it dosn’t look like he’s in any danger of ever developing one.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you seen Ronnie Brewer's shoot?

It’s the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen, yet he starting and playing serious impact minutes against the Lakers in the playoffs. Guess what? Because he can defend and finish around the rim, just like our guy Corey! Just because a guy has no J doesn’t mean he won’t stick around the League. He’s too talented to not be an asset somewhere.

by Illini15 on May 16, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd hate to be a coach or GM

trying to defend giving minutes at the 3 to Corey Brewer.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's funny

because it’s not like he’s far behind BaB’s second favorite son, the one and only Thabo…who nearly every poster on this board is obsessed with for whatever reason.

by Illini15 on May 16, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did I say Corey Brewer?

I meant Thabo Sefolosha.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As much as Noah has become a fan favorite

it’d be insane to turn down a trade for Beasley because the Bulls weren’t willing to give up Noah.

Who is it we were unwilling to give up Deng for—KG? Kobe? Gasol? Thank God the Bulls hung onto Deng.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 9:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That said,

I completely agree with jpchi’s comment at the top of this thread.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, it was only for Gasol

and that’s not that awful of a judgement.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 16, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop devaluing our players

you seriously would give up Noah and the pick for an unproven guy who has played NO minutes of pro ball…..

"Who did we think we were"

by Thirdrock on May 16, 2008 9:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The obvious trade

would be Tyrus and the bulls pick for the #2 if Beasley is the guy. Swap one young PF for another.

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on May 16, 2008 9:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That might be the obviious trade from our end

but probably not from the Timbie’s perspective.

But I understand your not seeing that…after all, you only want to count the beans at the end of the day. ;-)

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

right

I was thinking from Minnesota’s perspective in questioning Tyrus vs. Noah. They have a young PF. Nice try though, BS, you almost got Tyrus out of town!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 16, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I think Minny could use Jefferson at the 5 and Tyrus at the 4. They’d complimet each other nicely since Jefferson has the back to the basket and skill game and Tyrus is more just an athlete right now. Jefferson is probably better off guarding 5’s anyway. He’s big enough to guard them and a little slow to guard alot of 4’s, so Tyrus would be a big help there. I agree Noah would be a good fit for them too, but Tyrus could work. And from our end, we’d definitely prefer Noah over Tyrus to go next to Beasley since neither Tyrus or Beasley could guard 5’s.

And anybody who thinks we shoudn’t give up a guy like Noah or Tyrus to get a guy like Beasley has no right to clown on Paxson. This is exactly the kind of move we need that Pax hasn’t been able to pull off yet. We need a franchise type player to be our main guy on offense. We have alot of pretty good players but probably nobody even in the top 50 in the league. That has to change and trading a nice piece or 2 is the only way to do it other than getting lucky in the lottery.

And you Beasley haters probably haven’t seen him play other than a few highlights here or there. He is a dominant rebounder and scorer and can do it so many ways. And although he’s young, he’s not a potential guy, he’d probably be our best player as a rookie.

With all this being said, I would have to belive this all pure rumor, and there can’t be much truth to it. We’ll see though.

by rb22 on May 16, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes sense to me

A Tyrus/Jefferson combo could work also, although they’d be short.

I’d trade either in this scenario.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 16, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking of Jefferson as a C

because now that Skiles/Boylan are gone, nobody is going to put TT at the center or hopefully Beasley. So the thing to do would be to put either TT or Beasley next to Noah. But you should only do that if you think Beasley is that much better than TT at the start of next season.

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on May 16, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I think it'd be awesome....

...to have beasley and Thomas on the same team—assuming, of course, you can count on their mental capacities. It would be the SF/PF tweener situation of Chandler/Curry (one offensive/one defensive) only better.

by tyger1147 on May 16, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In recent memory, which, sadly, is all I have left...

I haven’t seen another college player who made it look so easy as Beasley made it look.

I’d take him in a heartbeat and pair him with anyone we have left on the roster (after giving up whatever we need to in order to get him).

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Figuring out who the Wolves

would want from the Bulls, other than Noah, is a tough one.

Foye put up 13 and 4 for them, and he’s a last-second shot kind of guy, so they don’t need Kirk. Rashad McCants is pretty good, so between him and Foye, the Wolves probably don’t need Gordon. Brewer is a tall, defensive minded swing man, so they don’t need Thabo.

Other than a rugged rebounder/defense guy (Noah), what they really need is a scorer out of the 3 position. Maybe the Bulls can work Deng into this somehow (though I know that the sign and trade would be difficult).

That way the Wolves could go with Deng and Brewer in offense/defense switches, or they could go tall and pair Brewer with Foye in the backcourt.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 16, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

eh?
Foye put up 13 and 4 for them, and he’s a last-second shot kind of guy, so they don’t need Kirk. Rashad McCants is pretty good, so between him and Foye, the Wolves probably don’t need Gordon.

I completely disagree with pretty much all of that. The only overlap in skills/position is maybe Foye and Gordon, and Gordon’s better.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 16, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point being

they don’t need a point guard, so we can’t pawn Kirk off on them.

Ben’s better, but Foye’s clutch-ness would negate any price increase they’d face in getting Ben for the same purpose.

McCants puts up about 15 ppg. With Ben they’d get an extra, what, 5 points per game at that position?

Anyway, bottom line is that I don’t think we’d be able to get them to bite for anyone on the Bulls’ roster except Noah and Deng.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 16, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

right, because he's better than McCants

Foye hasn’t really proven to be a point guard, and which of Minnesota’s 8 wins did he show his clutchness?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 16, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Foye is not a point guard.

He’s just another example of a combo/mostly 2 guard in college that some pro front office guy thought could be converted into an NBA point guard. Foye’s collegiate point guard was that other popular BaB target, Kyle Lowry.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't he hit a game winner against the Bulls? It was last season, not this past one...

Anyway, I’m buying into Sam Smith’s writing here to some extent. He claims that you need that one guy who genuinely wants to take that last shot, and he’s tabbed Foye to be “that guy” on the Wolves.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 16, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well the Wolves suck

and Gordon would be better at it, so I’d think they’d be interested.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 16, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm... Ben Gordon always wants the last shot.

He seems like he’s the only one who does.

by tyger1147 on May 16, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So they won't trade if Rose is available?

That’s disappointing. I really want Rose.

Only the ping-pong balls can fulfill my wish.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on May 16, 2008 10:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rose is the perfect fit for Minnesota

They don’t have a real PG. If they draft Rose they’d go

Rose
McCants/Foye
Brewer
Gomes
Jefferson

That’s good for 30 wins, another lottery pick, and if McHale was a real GM he’d be able to package some of that young talent for an All-Star.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 16, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Move up?

I’m confused. “It’s a good year to move up, but there are plenty of other guys we could like, too.” Huh? A good year for other teams to move up? Idohngidit.

by tyger1147 on May 16, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we have to choose Beasley at 2?

I know the NBA draft machine demands it, but I’d say the Bulls go Bayless or Mayo with the number 2 pick.

by RogersPark Kris on May 16, 2008 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That machine sucks

I haven’t gotten above the 8th pick in like 2 months.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 16, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...only in the event of a lottery malfunction

where the Bulls move up to 4 or 5. ;-)

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 11:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Noah and our 2008 #1

for Minnie’s 2008 #1 would make McHale look like a damn genius. Even if the Wolves have the #2 it is unlikely they will draft Beasley. Al Jefferson is a 4 and so is Beasley.

by NBA Observer on May 16, 2008 12:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a bad deal for the Bulls

The Wolves want a center. The pressure is on McHale to secure a center to support Al Jefferson. Jefferson is good, but McHale is on the clock to turn the team around fast after trading away a franchise hall of famer especially when he’s already turned down Deng+Chandler+Bulls 2006 #1.

By trading Noah and the likely #9 pick we are abandoning the center the team has already made moves to make him the franchise center. And in return, you now have a major void at center and the #2 pick which will require you to draft Beasley as the 4. So we’d have a roster with Beasley at 4, Gooden at 4, and Thomas the 4. Last, we are left with what Big D pointed out. Starting at center, from Pittsburgh, Aaron Gray.

I just think drafting Beasley now just adds another power forward to a roster that already has two of them.

Now, say we were acquiring the Wolves #2 and change for Drew Gooden and our #9 then let’s talk.

by NBA Observer on May 16, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or, it's a good deal for the Bulls

At least getting Beasley now will give them the most coveted asset in the league—a dominant player to build around.

I’m counting on the Bulls having an epically sucky team next year. They’ll be able to go right back into the top of the draft and get a better big man than they’d be giving up in Noah.

At this point, the Bulls can’t just have a one year plan to get back into contention.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really think that Beasley will be "dominant" in the NBA?

It’ s possible, I suppose, but I am not entirely convinced.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on May 16, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This I can say for sure:

No one on the current Bulls roster is or will be dominant in the NBA.

No one on the current Bulls roster came close to Beasley’s college career.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just for shits and giggles:

A) 19.8 ppg, 11.4 reb, 2.0 apg, 1.8 spg, 1.4 bpg
B) 26.2 ppg, 12.4 reb, 1.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.6 bpg

A=Abe Lincoln
B=Beasley, Michael

by Sports2 on May 16, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You talkin' about Drew at Kansas?

Maybe that’s sorta close, but Gooden was nothing like the player Beasley was.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More likely than not he was making him look bad.

And I mean that as a compliment!

Gooden was playing with a bunch of really high quality players. Hinrich and Collison are both quality NBA players. Usually guys suffer a little bit statistically when they play with a bunch of other good players, at least compared to the situation in which they’re far and away the best player on the team.

by Sports2 on May 16, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's always a chance of a bust,

but Beasley looked damn good in all the Big 12 games I saw, including twice against an extremely good Kansas defense. He didn’t have a very consistent team around him to rack up a ton of wins, but if the Bulls somehow end up drafting second and he’s who is there, I would pretty excited.

My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!

by wjb1492 on May 16, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

greg monroe

could be a beastly player in the nba next year if the bulls completely sucked at got a high draft pick

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"-Bluto Blutarsky

by sap on May 16, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

greg monroe

there is also this guy called joe shmoe who is a HS Senior next year who could be killer if the Bulls continued to suck for two years. But no one is interested in losing. I’d rather win than have a high draft pick.

by Sambossanova on May 17, 2008 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gooden's a viable option at the 5 if paired with Thomas or Beasley.

After that, Paxson would probably be best off finding another option for the 5 than having to rely on Gray for consistent minutes every game. I would think, though, that dealing Thomas instead of Noah would be the best scenario for the Bulls and probably even the T’Wolves. Is throwing in the #9 really necessary when you’re already sending Thomas or Noah? Seems maybe the T’Wolves should throw in a future first rounder of their own or maybe an option of the Bulls to flip first rounders next season.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 16, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think McHale could be induced

to trade the #9 in last year’s draft (who, remember, didn’t even make the all-rookie team) for this year’s #1 or 2…or it’s be right back to jpchi’s opening scenario.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 16, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't draft Beasley?

Seriously, you think if Minny kept the pick and Rose was gone they would pass up Beasley, because “Al Jefferson is a 4”? You are too tied to pegging guys into one position. Just because you know a guy as a 4 doesn’t mean he can’t play with another guy you know as a 4. On offense, Jefferson is a back to the basket guy. On defense, he’s big and strong enough to guard 5’s and maybe a little slow to guard alot of 4’s. He’s also a monster rebounder and 6-10, 260 lbs. Sounds like he can play the 5 to me. He can play the 4 too with a guy like Chandler or Noah or somebody a little quicker, but not with another slow, back to the basket guy like Brook Lopez. The paint would be clogged on offense, and they’d have trouble guarding quicker 4’s or guys who like to drift outside a little bit. They would get killed defending the pick & roll too.

I would rather give up Tyrus and keep Noah in this scenario, and I think Minny could work it out either way.

Beasley is a guy who is almost without a doubt a franchise centerpiece player who would be a the top pick in alot of drafts and probably never any lower than 3. He dominated college this past year about as well as anybody has recently, and his game translates great to the NBA. You don’t pass up a chance to get a guy like like that because you already have a 4. And the Bulls shouldn’t pass up the chance for a guy like that, because we would lose a solid player or 2. We are in this mess, because we don’t have a player like this. Like I said, don’t clown on Paxson if you wouldn’t trade a couple of our nice pieces for a guy like Beasley.

by rb22 on May 16, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wolves not drafting Beasley

Would be like if Atlanta did not draft Horford last year because they needed a PG and they picked Conley instead. It’s stupid to draft on need when there are far more talented players available, you just pick the best prospect. If Beasley/Jefferson doesn’t work out, I’d say every single team in the league without a top 5 PF is bombarding McHale with sweet trade offers.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 16, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draft Fever is breaking out!

Beasley looks like a consensus top 1 or 2 in an average to below average draft, but we shouldn’t get crazy.

Beyond that, Kevin McHale doesn’t deserve any “GM of the year” awards or anything, but I find it odd that not one person is given pause by the fact he’s looking at Beasley and thinking Isaiah Rider. McHale is a guy who’s had no problem bringing in guys with attitude issues. He’s the guy that was willing to work with Spree and Eddie Griffin for God’s sake. If he looks and Beasely and thinks there’s a guy he can’t work with, everyone ought to be running scared.

by Sports2 on May 16, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When he brought in Griffin and Spre, he had a 6'11" safety net.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 16, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't really care I guess.

Bulls are at a point where they need to start taking more chances on “bad characters.” I doubt Paxson will, but it’d be nice to see him try something like that. I mentioned Garnett only because I think McHale may have been willing to take such chances knowing he was there and that now wanting to pass on Beasley shouldn’t be seen as strong of an indictment against his character as you think.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 16, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree (obviously)

I mean, in reality I don’t put much weight into a single report about McHale’s views, but it better be a pretty big character flaw to pass on the consensus top pick.

Along the same lines, I don’t think the issue is the right mix between low and high risk moves. Lately the bulls have had a hard time walking down the street without tripping. Asking them to walk and chew gum at the same time might be a stretch.

by Sports2 on May 16, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is Beasley's character flaw?

Is he Derrick Coleman with arrests, bad behavior and disrespect? Or is he just lazy and semi-interested in basketball?

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 16, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does like Sponge Bob

Not sure which of your categories that would put him in, though.

My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!

by wjb1492 on May 16, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually, looking at the comments

there’s a lot of just straight talk about Minnesota not just the draft. Motion denied. By myself.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 16, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minnesota could just draft Lopez

as a compliment to Jefferson. Or trade down to the 3 for Lopez and pick up something else…

by Dionysus2.0 on May 16, 2008 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I saw this too....

But was reluctant to post it due to the source. I would definitely support trading up for the second pick. Derrick Rose, if he’s available obviously, otherwise Beisley is a solid player to build on and around.

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by BarryLird on May 16, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Beasley

would do wonders for us. Yes – he’s probably lazy. Yes – he may have no drive. But oh gosh – he’d be the best scoring big man we’ve had here since Brand (granted that didn’t work out real well).

by swede2287 on May 17, 2008 8:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Noah & 9th pick are too much to give up..

Big mistake! You don’t grow height as we have learn with Tyson Chandler. Don’t do it again.

Maybe Aaron Gray and the 9th Pick should work for both teams.

by exult463 on May 17, 2008 9:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree Noah and the 9th is too much for the #2

but I seriously doubt that Gray is enough of a sweetener for a swap b/t 2 & 9.

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by snley on May 18, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Way

do the wolves take the #9 and Noah for Beasley. Those Minne posters are crazy: Beasley had a better season, and with far less talent around him, than Durant did. He’s physically stronger, nastier, incredibly athletic, and possesses a remarkable skill set for his size. The idea that he’s lazy ignores the fact that he’s got a sculpted frame and that he’s worked so hard to be able to drill, shoot, and post like he does.

McHale might have questions about his attitude, but he can get a whole lot more than this. We’d have to at least throw in Thomas.

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by MPG on May 18, 2008 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds Iffy...

I guess the question here is two-fold: would the Wolves do this and should the Wolves do this? The answer to the first question is anybody’s best guess. Kevin McHale has made some baffling decisions in the past and I wouldn’t put it by him to move one of the 2 best players in a 2 player draft. I’m not sure the info for this thread is very good. Fred Hoiberg has been all over local media outlets touting this as a 2 player draft and saying over and over to anyone who will listen that this is a “good year to move up.” Since the Wolves are sitting with the 3rd worst record, I find it hard to believe that they think poorly of Beasley while telling everyone and their mother that the draft would be a massive success no matter what happens if they are in the top 2. I just heard Hoiberg on the radio this morning talking about how good the top 2 picks were in this draft.

As for all the talk about where Beasley would play and what role he would fill…let me say this: the Wolves are a terrible team who would benefit from pretty much any player in the top 10 picks of this draft. They have 1 legit starter. Believe me, they’ll find a place for Beasley to play. Furthermore, Big Al and Beasley would be a force on the offensive end of the court; on offensive rebounding potential alone, Beasley makes sense as a pick. From 1/2 shows to local media talking points, the Wolves have given no indication that they think of Beasley as anything but a top 2 pick that they would be lucky to obtain.

For argument’s sake, let’s say that the Wolves get the 2nd pick and Rose is off the board. Should they move him? As long as they get back a high 1st this year and a center I think the move makes sense. This pretty much means the Bulls, Bucks, and Warriors (Noah, Bogut, and Biedrins). If the Wolves could get one of those centers while getting a pick that would land them a Gallinari, CDR, or Budinger, that’s a pretty solid day at the office. They’d still have 2 of the top 3 2nd rounders as well as 3 potential 1st rounders next year. This pack of picks has been viewed both ways by Wolves fans: either they are saving them for a trade, or they won’t make any moves because they have a lot of picks to work with. I personally think they are going to move some of the picks as there isn’t enough roster space to keep them all. Oh well, I kind of got off track here. The bottom line here is that I don’t think this is a very credible tip as the Wolves have done nothing in public to suggest that they have anything but big-time interest in the top 2 picks of Rose and Beasley. That being said, if they get a young center and a pick that could land them a solid wing player, the move at least would make sense…even if it was far-fetched.

by Stop-n-Pop on May 18, 2008 10:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ummm newsflash

they do not own the #2 or any pick yet… so any report that they are willing to trade it is ludicrous at this point

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by 234L on May 19, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

IF Minnesota is in a position to draft Beasley

and that’s a big IF, it might make sense for them to trade out of their position for Noah and the Bulls #9.

They already have a superstar to build around, and while Tyrus is still a relatively unknown quantity, there’s pretty decent evidence that Noah will likely be a very good supporting player.

Personally, I’m a little bit afraid of giving Noah away in any deal, as he seems to be the only player on the Bulls with any kind of passion for winning.

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by alec on May 20, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like your theory

that since they already have a superstar to build around, they shouldn’t try to get another one. gag.

Read the Wolves fan above. Wolves need more great players and aren’t really in position to worry about position.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 20, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are two superstars better than one?

Yes.

Would Beasly be that other superstar? Maybe. We don’t know. What we do know (don’t we?) is that Noah looks to be a perfect complement to Jefferson…not only a perfect complement, but also a very high level player, though likely short of a superstar.

Noah plus the Bulls #9 seems to me a pretty fair offer for the rights to as-yet-unknown, but likely a good scorer, Beasley.

Does Beasley game sound a lot like Jefferson’s? This whole thing reminds me a little of when the Bulls alreaady had Brand, but went ahead and drafted Fizer anyway…and ended up up with a nonfunctional duplication of what was already their strongest position.

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by alec on May 20, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The nonfunctional duplication was probably due more to the fact that Fizer wasn't very good

You don’t give up a chance at superstar potential for a solid starting role player and the ninth pick in a 2 player draft.

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by snley on May 20, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever you do,

don’t compare Fizer’s second year with Tyrus’.

I always felt Fizer got hurt, was mis-managed, then written off.

I think I read recently that he’s still playing, and on a pretty good contract…maybe for the Maccabi team? Maybe the story I saw was about his getting hurt again.

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by alec on May 20, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gah, I did it

similar PER, Tyrus is a far far better defender (as in, better than one of the worst ever in Fizer), and Tyrus was two years younger.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=fizerma01&y1=2002&p2=thomaty01&y2=2008

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 20, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to add a bit more...

...I actually think the Wolves would be more apt to try to take Chicago to the cleaners (if such a thing could be done between those 2 rosters) if they had Rose at the #2 pick. Don’t forget that the Wolves have taken 2 6 nothing guards and a 185 lbs guy who can’t dribble or shoot in their last 3 drafts. If they take Rose, they have a Rose, Foye, Shaddy, Jaric, Brewer log jam in the backcourt with Jefferson and Madsen being the only signed front court players. Oh, I guess I forgot Toine. Granted, they’ll probably sign Gomes, but this team has some major depth issues that could be addressed by moving a major asset like Rose (who is likely at the height of his appeal to most NBA teams) for a wonderful compliment to Jefferson in the frontcourt (Noah: good passing big who doesn’t need the offense run through him to be effective) and a chance to grab a player like CDR or Budinger on the wing. I’d much rather see the Wolves enter next season with this rotation:

Foye/Jaric
CDR/Brewer
Gomes/Brewer
Jefferson/Richard
Noah/Richard

Than this one:

Rose/Jaric
Foye/Brewer
Brewer/?
Gomes/Richard
Jefferson/Richard

Of course, this is all fantasy GM talk and I have about 1 1/2 hours left before the crushing reality of being a Wolves fans ends us with the 6th pick and Kevin Love, but I honestly think the Wolves would listen to offers more with Rose at #2 than Beasley. They have a lot of picks already invested in the back court. However, it should be noted that the biggest thing working against any Wolves trade should they move up in the draft would be this: they’ve never moved up in the lotto and there would likely be a popular revolt of any remaining fans if they let a highly hyped player like Rose out of their grasp…especially after the Foye/Roy debacle.

Finally, there is one thing we can all root against tonight: Portland landing the #1 or #2 pick and walking away with Rose. Rose, Fernandez, Roy, Aldridge, Oden is not a starting 5 that I want to think about in the Northwest, West, or NBA at large.

by Stop-n-Pop on May 20, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Fizer's got a lot in common with Beasley

I love the idea of trading Noah for the Wolves pick…but that is not gonna happen. The media would eat up the Wolves if they did this (as if McHale needs more people on him). Remember last year – the Celtics got a certain RAY ALLEN for their draft pick. The Bulls would have to give up a more than that.

by swede2287 on May 20, 2008 3:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn you love Ray Allen

Have you seen him play this season? Rondo is probably as, if not more important to that team now than Ray Ray.

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by Ozzie Montana on May 20, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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