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Brian Shaw - legitimate option?

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I don't know too much about his style or philosophy, but then I ran into this over at RealGM
BK: What style have you developed as a coach. Have you been around it long enough to do that?

BS: I like the triangle offense, but every game that we play, if there's one or two wrinkles out of (our opponent's) offense or defensive scheme, I keep a book with all the different ideas that I like. Overall, I like pressure defense, I like an aggressive rotating defense, and I like the ball to move on the offense and for everybody to get a touch and feel like they're part of the game. Being a point guard, for me it's vital to have good guard play, and a point guard that's aware that maybe this guy hasn't touched the ball the last three or four times down the court, so you've got to give him a touch to keep him involved in the game.

BK: You mentioned the triangle, and I'm sure that comes from Phil and Tex and guys like that. Who are some of your other inspirations and models in coaching?

BS: My college coach, Jerry Pimm, as well as Ben Howland who's at UCLA now. Ben Howland was an assistant with me at UC Santa Barbara. He's the one who actually recruited me there. I've been around more so great players, with Bird, McHale, Parish--(interrupted by a beverage-delivering Sasha Vujacic, his punishment for losing a free throw shooting game to Shaw. "This is what happens when you win," Shaw said). So from the players that I've been around, work ethic and what it takes to make certain players great- like it's not an accident that Bird was as good as he was or that Kobe is as good as he is, because they put in their work. They dedicate their time, they have a respect for the game and you can see that in how they approach the game. Coaching wise, I've been under Phil obviously, I played under Larry Brown for half a season. But just going back to my high school coach who drilled us on fundamentals. You see so many players now at this level that don't have any fundamentals at all, so I think that's really important. I like Phil's brand of doing things. He allows players to figure things out for themselves and challenges you mentally every single day. He's not going to baby you, so if you're not mentally tough you're not going to be able to handle the system. And I like that because it makes you mature and it makes you responsible for your actions out on the floor.

Originally sourced from here.

As long as Paxson is giving due diligence to everyone under the sun, you might as well give Shaw a real look.

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I'd be interested in Shaw...

I vote ‘yes’.

Step 1 - Hire a coach. Step 2 - ... Step 3 - Win.

by Lt.Dan on May 13, 2008 4:10 PM CDT   0 recs

Triangle Offense!?

PHIL JACKSON PART 2!!!

Actually he sounds intresting and seems to describe the bulls style of play (everyone touching teh ball, pressure defense, TRIANGLE!!) he should get an interview at least…

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 13, 2008 4:16 PM CDT   0 recs

Last night

on CTL Dave Kaplan said he had heard Brian Shaw’s name mentioned for the coaching job from sources that day. Take it for what it’s worth.

by sue369 on May 13, 2008 4:22 PM CDT   0 recs

He's worth a shot

At least he follows a pattern of success I like to see in a future head coach, and has worked under some great minds in Tex Winter and Phil Jackson.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 13, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sounds pretty cool

After the bad taste left from going after the “high profile”, head-case type of guy in D’Antoni (and no, I didn’t know he was considered a head case before recent articles), it would be really great to get a dark horse candidate in there like Shaw.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 13, 2008 4:27 PM CDT   0 recs

i particularly like

”...if there’s one or two wrinkles out of (our opponent’s) offense or defensive scheme, I keep a book with all the different ideas that I like.”

Adjustments, change, adaptation. Those could be things that would keep opponents on their toes. He’s not resigned to do the same thing over and over and over again. It also keeps the players on their toes as well. Learning a new wrinkle here or there every once and awhile would keep everyone mentally involved (hopefully).

Defensive pressure, defensive aggressiveness, offensive movement…those are things that Paxdorf say they like. Give him a look. He can’t be any worse than Mark Jackson or Thibadeau.

by NormVanBeer on May 13, 2008 6:53 PM CDT   0 recs

Adaptation...

Improvisation….But your weakness is not in your Technique…..

anybody know the reference 10000 shrugles (thats what blogabull currency is called right?) to the one who gets it

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 13, 2008 10:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's from The Matrix

I only accept Schrute bucks or Stanley nickels (Schrute bucks/Stanley nickels = unicorns/leprechauns).

by paxson43 on May 14, 2008 3:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice!!!

Yea i believe you also corrected me with the currency thing last time i threw a movie reference around. By the way, do you actually know these or do you google them or something…just wondering…

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 14, 2008 11:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just a mass consumer of pop culture

I knew the quote from The Matrix because I happened to have watched it recently (your little picture is a huge clue too, btw. Heh). The Schrute bucks thing I remember because I’m a gigantic Office fan.

by paxson43 on May 14, 2008 7:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Soka

Thanks for replying… enjoy all that ummm…schrute bucks you have now….

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 14, 2008 11:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The more I think about it

I think this young team would do well with a young coach, ideally someone who’s played recently, can relate to the players, and hasn’t established a set way to do things. Coaches tend to get “systems”, and younger coaches can be more flexible. Not that I necessarily think he’s that good, but Doc Rivers changed up his sets tremendously with his new asst. coach and new personnel, to great effect. With our young and still-developing talent, flexibility might just be more important than experience.

On Brian Shaw, he sounds like a good guy. Pretty green for a head coach in the NBA, but maybe that’s what this team needs. Well, that and lots of Tyrus time. What about other college coaches? Maybe Noah can assure us Billy Donovan would actually stay and coach?

Random thought: Would Hakeem consider being a big man’s coach? That would be awesome.

"I tell you, Steve Blass, you pitch me inside, they never, never find that ball."
-Roberto Clemente

by cubbybear on May 13, 2008 7:59 PM CDT   0 recs

Donovan can't coach in the NBA for 4 more seasons

as part of his settlement with the Magic.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 13, 2008 8:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

exactly

and I wouldn’t want him as the coach even if he could

by NormVanBeer on May 13, 2008 9:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I've been thinking of him

for a while. I like point guards turned coach. He was accepted as a leader very quickly on the Kobe-Shaq teams, no small feat; had a Ron Harper, Van Exel kind of presence. Been paying his dues, and of course, the PhilJax connection. Seems like he wins respect very easily.

by California Al on May 14, 2008 1:51 AM CDT   0 recs

I hope we soon learn that Shaw gets an interview

KC Johnson puts the coaching hire timeline at the end of June now. He said this on CTL last night.

by NBA Observer on May 14, 2008 8:40 AM CDT   0 recs

Question

Is “Chicago Tribune Live” available online for viewing?

by NBA Observer on May 14, 2008 8:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

all CSN has in terms of video

is here. They really could make it a good resource if they put the work into it. Though I’m not sure if it’s worth it if only blog nerds are the audience.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 14, 2008 10:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good post - Shaw is worth a look.

NormVanBeer should interview Shaw, Bullhockey takes on Thibodeau and Matt blogs about the rumors.

by chgobr on May 14, 2008 8:41 AM CDT   0 recs

Yuck

Leave Karl alone. Karl has a depressive aura. Maybe its all that time spent in rainy Seattle, I don’t know.

John Paxson has been like family to me. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother, who also was unable to pull of any deals for superstar free agents or hire a quality new coach.

by preverbal on May 14, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I understand that's why the Bulls acted so slowly on D'Antoni

The team’s psychic was seeing some weird things in his aura and advised Paxson and Reinsdorf to proceed with great caution.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 14, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ahh. That explains things.

I wonder why that didn’t make it into the article. . .

John Paxson has been like family to me. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother, who also was unable to pull of any deals for superstar free agents or hire a quality new coach.

by preverbal on May 14, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LA Times' Mike Bresnehan reports

that Shaw interviewed last Summer with Sacramento and Indiana.

Lakers assistant coaches Kurt Rambis and Brian Shaw are being considered as possibilities for the head coaching job in Phoenix.

Jerry Brown of the East Valley Tribue reports that Shaw is one name among many for the Suns vacancy.

That leaves names like Kurt Rambis and Brian Shaw in Los Angeles, Tom Thibodeau in Boston, ex-Suns head coach Paul Westphal in Dallas and two former Suns players, Tyrone Corbin and Jeff Hornacek of Utah, as possibilities.

by NBA Observer on May 14, 2008 9:07 AM CDT   0 recs

Shaw strikes me as worth a look

He’s learned at the feet of the masters, and I could actually see many of our players working fairly well in the triangle (Kirk, Ben, Noah, maybe Thomas). I’m not sure it plays to Deng or Nocioni’s strengths, and we definitely don’t have the sort of bailout option triangles seem to need to be successful, which is a problem, but there’s at least something to work with.

by Sports2 on May 14, 2008 9:40 AM CDT   0 recs

On Deng and Noc

They are ideally suited for the triangle. Work with me here because I want to use your David West/Luol Deng comparison since it further maximizes Luol Deng’s value.

The triangle is really the triple high post offense. It’s been tweaked by Tex Winter for Phil Jackson’s different roster makeups between the Bulls and the Lakers. What keeps the system in place is the top level belief in its purpose and value. That’s Phil. But what makes it work on the floor is the high post screener that can provide a solid screen and maintain options to roll off the screen to the rim, maintain a stationary position until the ball handler makes a move, or leak out into open space for a 15 to 20’ jump shot or fall back behind the arc if the screener has the perimeter game. The two ideal players for this high post position are Luol Deng and Andres Nocioni.

In most matchups, these two players will likely be shorter than their opponent, but should make up for that relatively easily with speed and footwork. The two areas where the most coaching and development would be necessary is with Deng and Noc on their back to the basket moves. Both players need work in this area so that they are more comfortable using this move to either get a good shot or draw extra defenders to create opportunities for their teammates. What we have seen from Noc and Deng in their respective back to the basket games is either a lack of confidence or moves that are out of control providing for forced shots, bad passes, and either player having to pick themselves up off the floor generating transitions for the opponent.

Since the Lakers are the only other team in the NBA that uses the triangle our comparative options are slim. But look at the Lakers starting lineup and their rotation. Fisher(1), Bryant(2), Odom(3), Radman(4), Gasol(5). First man off the bench is usually Walton(3) for Radman, Odom moves to 4. Second off the bench is Farmer(1) for Fisher. Turiaf(5) will enter for Gasol. Radman will enter for Odom. Vujacic will enter for Bryant. Bryant will return a few minutes later and play the 3 until Odom returns. These lineups aren’t quite orthodox.

The two players that make the triangle flow are Bryant and Odom. Their complimentary players that also make the triangle flow is anyone that penetrates to the rim to pull defenders off their Laker teammates. While the triangle is designed to move players and space the floor it’s primary objective, design or not, is to confuse the defense so the dribble penetrators(Kobe/Lamar) can get in the paint to collapse the defense.

Right away what should stand out as a real question when applying the triangle to Chicago is who is our Kobe and who is our Odom? I’m not talking about their level of play, but rather what role they represent and the necessary skillset required to perform the role. One must be a strong ball handler. One must be able to protect the basketball once they pick up their dribble on the drive. One must possess the pull up jump shot. But most importantly one must possess the skill to see the defense collapsing as their teammates are rotating to react to the collapse. I don’t think we have any players close to be able to handle this task. The best options on the current roster are Hinrich, Gordon, and Thabo. Hughes is a possibility, but I think he lacks the necessary discipline to pass the ball off the high post screen. Over his career he has consistently shown he will either pull up and shoot or drive to get fouled. This is good for some possessions, but when that defense is collapsing and you don’t see it and you still force a shot Hughes has to pray for a call or he’s missing the shot, not getting a call, and then complaining about no call leaving him out of defensive position.

The greatest challenge in importing the triangle is patience. Do the current players have any interest in learning a system designed to make them trust in each other? The media reports indicate that some active players were excited about D’Antoni. That would be a new system, but I think it would be an easier import for what resources we already possess. D’Antoni’s system would be like using the King’s English with American English speaking players. The Triangle is Latin.

Reinsdorf knows the value of the triangle. Paxson does too. Pete Myers should know it. Johnny Bach knows it. There are people around the club actively that know the Triangle. Is that enough? Doubtful.

by NBA Observer on May 14, 2008 10:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so if Deng and Noc were post players

they could be post players in the triangle. Got it.

After watching some hot David West action last night, the Deng/West comparison is even sillier. Besides, Deng’s like the one guy on the team who has a set position. Lets mess with that too!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 14, 2008 10:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

also

there’s no “system” to make this team great.

Lets shoot lower, just get a guy who can play the better players, and get the majority of them to try.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 14, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Goodness, I forgot all about Thabo

Nice thoughts. I see your point regarding Deng and Noc, but my question was how do you fit them in given the need to play guys that are strong ball handlers?

Unless you actually do try to make Deng into a David West type, he’s not going to see a lot of the court with Thabo and he, by himself, isn’t the Odom type. And despite my beliefs on the matter, I don’t think they’re going to do that.

Noc doesn’t fit just because he’s too damn expensive :)

by Sports2 on May 14, 2008 11:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I still don't get the change Deng into a different player sentiment

He’s a good small forward, isn’t nearly big or strong enough to play power forward, and doesn’t have the handles, speed, and range to play shooting guard. Plus small forward is like, a real position too. Deng would be better off with a pump fake or something deceptive to get to the line more, and why reboot his development with a position change?

by hscs on May 14, 2008 11:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The position change is predicated

on the belief that Deng just isn’t improving his ball handling in the NBA. Have you seen it improve significantly? Do you see any signs that it can improve?

An NBA three must be able to dribble with ease. It’s imperative to any penetration game. There’s no way you can just be a cut and catch three in the NBA.

by NBA Observer on May 14, 2008 11:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oh, sure you can.

if you’re good enough at cutting and catching and shooting. Besides, Deng can become passable at handlingt he ball. Why isn’t there a “lock deng in with some kind of dribble-machine” like there’s a “lock deng in the weightroom”

It’s a problem of both the two and the three can’t dribble…

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 14, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

getting better at dribbling may not work out

But we wouldn’t have to see Deng get run over in the post by players stronger than Prince, or more frequent back treatment on the floor of the U.C.

by hscs on May 14, 2008 11:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A couple things

First, there’s some certainty to strength conditioning that there isn’t to skill development. Eat amount of food X, train in Y particular way, and you will develop specific muscles. You’ll gain strength.

I’m not a super body building expert or anything, but I think the science behind it is relatively straightforward. The science behind becoming a better ball handler simply isn’t.

Second, I don’t see a lot of downside to him focusing on it. He already got/gets runover by guys like Prince and gets knocked around in the post. He has nowhere to go but up in that respect.

Third, this all ties back to the fact that positions aren’t absolute things. It’s not like we’d have to (or could) simply tell Deng to roid it up over the sumer and trade away all our PFs. I’d have taken a more gradual approach. Starting as a rookie, I’d have said “hey, you’re a three, but given your frame and your (lack of) speed, we want to gradually move you inwards. So here’s what we’re gonna do. Every summer, you work to build strength. 5lbs of muscle a year, with the focus first on your lower body and working your way up). As you do this, we’ll be able to work you more in the post (like you did in college) and against stronger defenders. Even if you don’t totally move inside, you’ll be able to knock around waifs like Tayshaun Prince.

Not an overnight thing, but a process. At the end of the day, you end up with a guy like David West or Antawn Jamison, or maybe Adrian Dantley with better size if we get really really lucky.

On the other hand, I think what the Bulls did was almost the opposite of this. They told him to go to the “dribble-machine” and learn to handle the ball like Tayshaun. Keep the weight off though, because we want to move you out and you need all the speed you can get to keep up with Rip Hamilton. Of course that’s meant he didn’t develop his dribble and he still gets steamrolled by bigger and stronger players.

Fourth , I agree that “small forward is a real position”, but again, positions are just typical combinations of skills. Compared to the vast majority of forwards in the league, I don’t much like Deng’s handle and he obviously doesn’t have the range on his shot most of the top flight threes have. So I don’t agree that he’s a perfect fit there. So the question is how can he improve? Well, I don’t think any of those skills are going to come along very much, but developing his body is something that can probably be done.

by Sports2 on May 14, 2008 1:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess I do question the effectiveness

of any proposed weight-training on Deng. I mean, have you actually seen how big David West is? Why not make Deng stronger yet keep him at the 3?

Besides, aren’t the Bulls already busy getting weight on Thomas and Noah?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 14, 2008 2:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just saying

David West didn’t get that way overnight.

WRT Deng, my point isn’t to transform him overnight or all of a sudden “move him to the 4” or “make him a big”.

As a first step at this point I’d just say start working on strength instead of working to keep it off (and stay as lean and quick as possible). If nothing else that’d hopefully give him the ability to not get pushed around by Tayshaun Prince.

Down the road, if he stops getting pushed around and starts doing the pushing, that’ll change how it’s best to use him and how other teams try to guard him.

by Sports2 on May 18, 2008 9:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But he's really effective running around off screens.

And you’re saying to take some of his stamina away in favor of creating strength. There’s a reason Reggie Miller and Rip Hamilton are so skinny. Yes, he can be stronger, but it shouldn’t be in favor of stamina (keeping it off).

by tyger1147 on May 19, 2008 10:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can say it's pretty fantastical that Deng could hit the gym harder and become a big all day

It doesn’t matter, because I can’t gauge the effectiveness of any training program. I can scoff at it, but I can’t be certain about it. My concerns, however, have more to do with the idea that Deng isn’t suited to play the position he’s been productive at, and matches up with the opposition most favorably at. I don’t get it, and I do get that positions aren’t absolute. Is there anyone that complains about true, legitimate, pure players more than me?

by hscs on May 14, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what I don't get either.

Deng’s been a really good SF. His PER isn’t astronomical, but it’s good. And that’s a mostly offensive state (right?), and he’s doing it as part of a shitty offense. So why move him? Some BaB sentiments would have Tyrus at the 3 and Deng at the four. Wha?

And, no, adding muscle isn’t nearly as straight-forward as these guys make it sound. Not even close to it. I’ve read numerous studies on the subject, but for anecdotal evidence, why do you think there are SOOOO many supplement products out there of vastly different ingredients if it’s so darned easy and straight-forward?

by tyger1147 on May 14, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For one...

...how do we know he and Kirk haven’t been lifting all this time? Maybe they have.

by tyger1147 on May 14, 2008 2:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably just dreaming about this stuff

So many things have to happen for it to work out. Matt’s right in his responses about the short term. It seems we were on the same page about where D’Antoni brought us the most value. Play the players that we know are good so their value increases throughout the league. That works ideally with D’Antoni. I don’t know if it works as well with anyone else.

In terms of Deng and Noc, I don’t see either of them as particularly strong ball handlers. Even if you were to spend time to improve this skill, you’d still be stuck with slower feet and below average use of their upper body to get by their man. The sum of all their parts(skills) just doesn’t come close what Bryant or Odom can do. This is why I see both Deng and Noc playing mostly the 4 in the triangle, but can move over to the 3 for smooth rotations. Because each player lacks the ball handling and I don’t see signs for significant improvement here we should move them closer to performing tasks that they can do. Mainly, they’re the high screen post men. They can both screen and freeze, screen and roll, and screen and leak to catch the ball from the dribbler.

Noc’s contract is still something I’d like to see moved especially if Shaw is our coach. We’re at a point where we must elevate the stock of Tyrus Thomas. If he’s the player for the future with some development that’s great. If the he develops into the player we need and his value is high we should be open to dealing him too.

I see Noc as a player ready to perform the high screen post now. However, Thomas can surpass Noc this Summer alone. What Thomas needs - and this is where I hope Thorpe, et al can work their magic - is offensive skills AFTER he sets the high screen where he can take his mismatch down in the post to collapse the defense. Right now his back to the basket moves are too edgy. The room for failure in those moves is much greater than the room for success. A softer jump hook or additional lower body strength will give him two options to use effectively. The lower body strength is necessary for when Tyrus gets around his man. He’s got the footwork to do this now. That lower strength is what takes that move into second gear. Without that strength the defensive recovery will catch up to the move and block the shot.

by NBA Observer on May 14, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He might make an exception

if he reads hscs’ spirited defenses of him :)

(we kid because we love hscs)

by Sports2 on May 14, 2008 1:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

NBA Observer for President!

Of Iraq or Myanmar.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 14, 2008 1:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Triangle with this roster

I think the keys for this Laker team making the triangle work so well are:

A) Kobe – the best all around offensive player in the league – he can make plays for himself or others from anywhere on the court- you can post him, give him the ball to start the offense, iso him on a wing, run screen & roll, whatever, he can make all kinds of plays from anywhere on the floor and guys can play their roles off of him

B) guys who catch the ball at the post or high post who are really good passers – Gasol, Walton, & Odom – they can score in the post or high post and are great at finding the open cutters or 3 point shooters spotting up

C) really good 3 point shooters who keep the spacing on the floor and prevent the other team from doubling too hard, or clogging the paint too much – Radmanovic, Fisher, Vujacic, Farmar

I think with our current roster we have nobody even close to doing part A.

I think Noah can be effective as what I described in B, especially if he can continue to improve on his back to the basket moves and a 15 foot jumper. I don’t see anybodu else being great at this.

Gordon obviously is good for part 3, and Kirk would be OK, but that’s it.

In general, the triangle is good for teams who have guys with high hoops IQ’s who can pass, cut, and read what the defense is giving them while keeping the proper spacing on the court with good outside shooters. This doesn’t seem to describe our team at all.

I’m not saying don’t interview Brian Shaw though. With D’Antoni out of the picture I say interview a bunch of assistants who you think have the leadership skills and people skills necessary to be a good coach, and pick the one you think wil work for this roster for. I know the media has everybody sold on the same names, but I’m sure there are plenty assistants who are just as qualified as those guys. We don’t know every assistant on every team in the league and what they’re like. Before today, nobody was talking aboout the Spurs assistant who Kerr supposedly likes, but now his name will float around alot. I’m sure there are other guys like this. Find them and talk to them and don’t just interview guys like Thibadeau, and Curry, and whoever just because the media says so. Interview them sure, but think for yourself and find other guys too.

by rb22 on May 14, 2008 11:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dreams Come True Scenario

D’Antoni is the Bulls coach. Shaw is the lead assistant. D’Antoni breathes new life into our active roster. Bulls lose playoff series’ just like the Suns. Roster juggled for the triangle. D’Antoni out. Shaw in. Championship!

by NBA Observer on May 14, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow.

That’s a lot to type up in a comment.

by tyger1147 on May 14, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My comments

When they’re brief I don’t think I have many meaningful things to add. When they’re long they’re ideas I’ve thought about for far too long without putting them down on paper.

by NBA Observer on May 14, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry

A little long winded. That’s how I roll I guess. I’m just sick of people acting like they know how good some of these assistant coaches are at their job when they’ve never seen them work and haven’t heard of 25 others who might be just as good. It’s easy to comment on players and have an opinion, because we watch them all the time, but to act like you know which assistant coaches are the best head coaching options is just ridiculous.

Example – Thibadeau: I’m sure knows basketball and maybe he’ll end up being a great head coach, but giving him all the credit in Boston and saying he should be the Bulls next head coach just based on Boston being good on D this year is insane. Do we forget that Boston added the best defensive player in the league this year in KG? Or that they added one of the best wing defenders in Posey? What about the fact that he left Houston, and they were the best defensive team in the league this year after he left, and they hire a supposedly “offensive minded” coach in Adelman? Maybe Thibaddeau is great, but lets not crown him just because you heard how good he is. You’ve never seen the guy at work.

And the “offensive minded” and “defensive minded” thing is crap too. How about just saying the guy is a good basketball coach. What’s Popovich, Phil, Byron Scott, Stan Van Gundy? I thought Adelaman was “offensive minded?’ What happened this year then? A good coach is a good coach.

by rb22 on May 14, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

judging these assistants is next to impossible. Not only whatever emphasis of schemes they may employ, but we won’t know if they’re completely over their head in terms of handling the egos of the team until like…30 games in.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 14, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't reply to you, and I actually didn't read your comment.

NBAO took my mind out of the mode of reading long comments for a bit.

But thanks, I guess.

by tyger1147 on May 14, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

New to this

I still don’t know how to tell who the replies are directed to. I just see all the comments. I’ll mess the the settings to try and figure it out.

by rb22 on May 14, 2008 12:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thibodeau's reputation doesn't hinge merely on Boston

He has been an assistant on the Knicks and Rockets when Van Gundy was coach, both teams were exceptional at defense.

Houston was great at defense the entire tenure of Van Gundy’s tenure, they merely weren’t going to just forget how to play intense D just because Rick Adelman showed up.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 14, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know

My point was that there are probably plenty of other assistant coaches that we don’t know about. He wouldn’t be talked about this much if he weren’t qualified and others didn’t think highly of him, but let’s not focus all of our attention on him just becasue we’ve heard his name thrown around.

And you made my point about the offensive and defensive minded thing.

by rb22 on May 14, 2008 4:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually,

the word “post” is used in two different ways, although you merge the two ways in your post above when you say:

The triangle is really the triple high post offense.

1. Post as in “The triple-post offense”
As taught to me by my high school coach, the triangle offense is referred to as the triple post offense because of its basic premise: anytime a player on a team sport has the ball, he has at least two options available to him as far as passing. The player with the ball, and the two players who are options to receive the ball, are each symbolized as a post in diagramming plays. This is why the offense is called the “triple post offense”. (And the shape made between the 3 posts is a triangle, and thus the other name for this offensive system.)

2. Post as in “high post” or “low post”
These two terms actually describe areas on the floor, and are not unique to the triangle offense.

So I guess my point is that it’s wrong to just combine both phrases because they both use the word “post”. You can’t just say “the triple high post offense” because it doesn’t quite mean anything when you use it that way.

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by bullhockey on May 14, 2008 1:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm still waiting for the talk of A-Drain coaching this team

His meetings are legendary.

"I tell you, Steve Blass, you pitch me inside, they never, never find that ball."
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by cubbybear on May 14, 2008 10:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sure Shaw will get a look

Those two paragraphs make him sound great, but they are only two paragraphs. I want to inspect his notebook.

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