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(UPDATE) Reinsdorf speaks, manages to make it sound even worse

UPDATE: Sam Smith with more from Reinsdorf and D'Antoni.

Kudos to KC for scoring this interview with the chairman:

"I'm disappointed in [D'Antoni]," Reinsdorf said. "I don't know what else we could've done. He chose to go to New York knowing there was a good chance we would make him an offer. If he had really wanted to be in Chicago, he would've waited. Instead, he misled us. It's not the end of the world, but it is somewhat rude."

"The second subject, I said if we need to get something done this weekend we shouldn't even bother talking because it will take longer than that," Reinsdorf said. "He said nothing had to be done over the weekend.

"I also said if this proceeds to where we want to make an offer, we don't deal with coach's agents. He said that's not a problem and that money wasn't the most important thing anyway. He said he wanted a job where he was going to be happiest. He said he didn't want to coach the Knicks."

...

"The answer is this is a very important decision to make and we didn't want to make the wrong decision. I don't think we moved too slowly. As soon as the Suns gave permission to talk, John was on a plane to meet with him. We did not move slowly here."

Asked why, if D'Antoni was the target, the Bulls didn't make a pre-emptive strike offer before the Knicks, Reinsdorf deferred to the sequence of events.

Reinsdorf said he met with Paxson last Tuesday to review the general manager's two interviews in Phoenix with D'Antoni, as well as other candidates on the Bulls' list. Paxson had flown to Phoenix on May 4, the day Suns general manager Steve Kerr granted D'Antoni permission to interview.

Knowing he would be in Phoenix over last weekend, Reinsdorf said he called D'Antoni last Tuesday and set up the Friday meeting. Reinsdorf said as he left that meeting, he told D'Antoni he would speak to Paxson and talk to D'Antoni again on Saturday.

When Paxson called LeGarie on Saturday morning, the agent informed Paxson that D'Antoni had accepted the Knicks' job. As Paxson attempted to sway LeGarie to listen to the Bulls' offer, Reinsdorf left his Saturday morning message for D'Antoni.

"I never tell the general manager who he has to hire, but I do have veto power," Reinsdorf said. "After meeting with Mike, I told John I was inclined to negotiate a contract and John made it clear he wanted Mike."

Where to begin. First off, the 'we don't deal with coach's agents' edict seems strange. Especially since later there's a mention of Paxson dealing with D'Antoni's agent, in the form of begging him to have his client reconsider taking the Knicks job.

And I admit I don't know how these things usually go...but after two meetings with the GM, shouldn't the meeting with the owner be about contract terms? Why is the result of that Friday meeting Reinsdorf saying he has to again talk to Paxson, and "we'll get back to you"? Seems like they did move too slowly.

And of course: why keep trying to emphasize how much you wanted to hire him if you didn't get him? It makes things sound worse. Reinsdorf correctly shoots down the idea of how much D'Antoni wanted to be the next coach of the Bulls (as the national media has continuously said), with the evidence being this 'rudeness' in not listening to an offer. If he really wanted to be here he'd be here, right? He and Pax should stick with that story, and not the one where they emphasize the pursuit, as it only makes one question the effectiveness. Plus, saying how D'Antoni explicitly said he didn't want to coach the Knicks seems a bit unprofessional, but then again Reinsdorf earlier this season publicly said how one of Deng and Gordon told him they regretted not signing a contract extension...

All that said, there are some encouraging words as well:

"I can't worry about perception," Reinsdorf said. "I have to worry about making the right decision. This is a very critical hire. If you make a mistake, you set yourself back. Tim Floyd didn't work out, Bill Cartwright. Scott Skiles, we thought we had a good one, but he's gone with two years left on his deal. We've been set back.

...

Reinsdorf disputed LeGarie's statement that the Bulls seemed hesitant to enter into another multiyear deal after swallowing close to two years and $5 million of Skiles' contract.

"I assumed we'd have to go four years," Reinsdorf said. "We gave Scott Skiles four years. That's kind of the going rate for coaches now. And money isn't an issue. Believe me, we can afford to pay coaches. Even if Skiles hadn't spread his money out (over four years), we can afford to pay top coaches.

"Phil Jackson wasn't a big name, and he turned out to be a great coach," he said.

It's true that this fiasco may turn out to be for the best. But a pleasant mistake is still a screw-up, and worse yet they can't wait to tell us more about it.

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did I just pay KC a compliment?

as I read over on the RealGM board, it would’ve been nicer if KC gotten a response from the D’Antoni camp. Even if it was ‘snooze ya lose!’

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 12, 2008 11:46 PM CDT reply actions  

There you go

Reinsdorf admitted that the Bulls hadn’t even decided to make D’Antoni an offer yet (“He chose to go to New York knowing there was a ‘good chance’ we would make him an offer.”) He also admitted that they weren’t going to make him an offer over the weekend. Who can blame D’Antoni for taking the Knicks job, since he had no idea when the Bulls would make him an offer? Who’s to say the Bulls wouldn’t have dragged this thing out for another week or two? D’Antoni was probably wondering if the Bulls were even that interested in hiring him, since they had numerous meetings with him without any sign of an offer.

by Big D on May 12, 2008 11:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't really see...

...how saying they wanted him but got screwed by a greedy bastard is a good thing. A) It makes it look like they still have no idea how to judge character. B) If he was “the guy” they wanted, how’s the next coaches they interview going to feel.

Maybe this is just crap for their players they’ve left to rot: “Hey, we know you wanted the guy! We did, too! We’re trying to do the right thing.” But even then: A) trying don’t cut it in professional sports and B) shows further incompetence.

by tyger1147 on May 12, 2008 11:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't wait to see bullshooter's and hscs's spin of this.

“But they really didn’t think he was the guy!!!” “D’Antoni was greedy and didn’t even give the Bulls a darned chance!”

by tyger1147 on May 12, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

He is trying to spin it as, hey were not the bad guys here, it d’antoni who played foul. If we had known he was gonna jump the gun or that he wanted a response asap then we wouldve done something. But he led us onto believe that he didnt care (the quotes about how after meeting with d’antoni, d’antoni said he didnt care about the money and he understood that it was gonna take a little longer)

I think d’antoni’s agent did the smart thing, which is telll d’antoni “hey, the knicks RIGHT NOW are offering to make you the third most paid coach in the nba (and that means im gonna get alot of money) so you should accept that. I know those bulls people, they arent gonna give you much more then what kerr gave you, and paxson is alot like kerr too, trust me new york, you can do what you want there, its a crappy team so anything you do will be great, but chicago will put alot pressure on you. Take the easy and high paying job.” Okay so i dont know if that is what was said, but i can see the agent doing a push like that. In this world, enough money can overpower any man on any subject, its the sad truth.

Also, D’antoni was a far more intresting prospect then any of the coaches paxson has interviewed as of yet…so how many coaches is that??? Once the playoffs are over there should be a few more names that will come out (thib being the big one) and paxson will have more interviews. Personally a guy like Thibadeau should be the next coach just because right now he seems to be carrying an aura with him, it seems every team that has a need for a coach has at least considered his name as an adequate prospect, i just hope he can live up to the hype. I hope the players arent moping about the coaching selection but instead thinking “screw this organization, they wont fix anything, im gonna have to improve alot and get us back” because despite how weak they proved to be this last season, none of them are those who take losing lightly….

....thats all i got…someone also show glimpses of hope so that the light can carry on

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 13, 2008 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

new ownership now
I hope the players arent moping about the coaching selection but instead thinking "screw this organization, they wont fix anything, im gonna have to improve alot and get us back" because despite how weak they proved to be this last season, none of them are those who take losing lightly….

this organization has been a laughing-stock for players around the league since 1998. this debacle will only infuse the current players with more “screw this organization” sentiment. don’t get used to Noah because he will be jetting as soon as he gets the chance, probably same with Deng, Gordon, and Thomas.

somebody start a thread when we get a new owner.

by Orlando Woolridge on May 13, 2008 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Another thing that seemed to come into play

is that New York is our most international city. D’Antoni seemed to indicate that there was some appeal to him being in city with a high level of European flava.

He may have forgotten that European fans hate shitty basketball teams.

John Paxson has been like family to me. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother, who also was unable to pull of any deals for superstar free agents or hire a quality new coach.

by preverbal on May 14, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Terrible explanation by dawdling Jerry

This still doesn’t explain how after having a head start on the negotiations, after hearing of Walsh’s interest, after hearing of Walsh’s proposed offer, after John and Jerry both met D’Antoni, no offer still was extended, and certainly no offer was extended before Walsh, who came in late to the game, made his offer.

I find it to be a very convenient setup that the Bulls claim that they were right about to make D’Antoni an offer the same morning he accepted the Knicks’ job. That’s easier to put out there than to say they wanted to mull it over the weekend.

by messwiththebull on May 13, 2008 6:35 AM CDT reply actions  

juicy stuff from Sam Smith

From both Reinsdorf and D’Antoni.

D’Antoni just says he based his decision on…’gut’ feeling. Whatever. The truly weird stuff comes from Reinsdorf.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 13, 2008 8:17 AM CDT reply actions  

after all this

even though pax and reinsdorf still look like morons, d’antoni looks like one too.

not even listening to the bulls’ offer and claiming it was to make it not be about the money, is pretty dumb. i don’t like what i’m hearing about him post-the knicks signing.

by Jaina on May 13, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

man...

that made me feel like crap. Especially the part where Reinsdorf says that D’Antoni likes Hinrich and was going to give him 35 minutes a game and tell him he’s not being pulled for mistakes. By the transitive property I can assume that he would’ve done the same with Tyrus and for missing out on that I will be pissed.

by CubFan81 on May 13, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

but he talked about how “drew gooden could be a star” thus, i’d assume…. less tyrus.

by Jaina on May 13, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll assume that too

since I’m pretty masochistic when it comes to my fair lad Tyrus.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 13, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doug Collins as an assistant? That could have been interesting.
He said he’d accept Doug Collins as an assistant coach,” said Reinsdorf. “He liked [Drew] Gooden. He said he’d be his low-post guy and could be a star. As I was leaving, I said the only thing that could go wrong is if we didn’t play defense. Maybe I scared him.”

Still, starting to think that the organization might have dodged a bullet when D’Antoni listened to his gut. He’s coming across as very flaky right now.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 13, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a real 'head-scratcher'

Collins has recently said he’s not coming back to coach (when he was mentioned as a candidate for the Suns), why would he an assistant for the Bulls?

Maybe he meant someone like Collins. Although Collins was pretty much a disaster in Washington.

Or maybe Reinsdorf was just floating out that name because he’s a ‘chicago guy’ and further wanted to get everyone against D’Antoni.

If Reinsdorf literally said to D’Antoni, “how about hiring Doug Collins as your defensive coach?”, my ‘gut’ would tell me go to NY too.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 13, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many yards away does Doug Collins live?

Collins lives in the greater Phoenix area as well. Maybe even Scottsdale too.

by NBA Observer on May 13, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

He did live in Scottsdale

Did as of 2005.

I’ll guess Jerry and Doug crossed Golf Cart paths with one on the way to D’Antonis and the other to the first tee. 2:30PM meeting indoors is a lot better the Scottsdale sun for 18 holes.

by NBA Observer on May 13, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Reinsdorf:

“He told me that he didn’t have a problem coaching defense, and that he actually loved it. He told me that John and I would always have his ear, and that we could suggest anything at anytime. ...He told me that Doug Collins, Tex Winters and Dick Motta had already committed to joining the staff, and that they were trying to recruit Jerry Sloan.

And I said, you had me at ‘no problem coaching defense’. We had a great chat, I just don’t know where it all went wrong…”

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 13, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is a great article

My gut tells me we dodged a bullet. My gut also told me Eddie Curry was going to be a big star and center-piece to the Bulls revival. I was furious at Paxson for trading him. I’ve also been on-target a few times. I hated the Wallace signing and depressed about losing Chandler. I do think Paxson is a very good person and at times a bit niave. In this case I’m hoping his attraction to D’Antoni is niavete and D’Antoni’s gut just passed gas. Hopefully we dodged a big mistake here. Otherwise I’ll be eating my heart out if the Knicks somehow succeed with him.

by chgobr on May 13, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

digging for clues

Reinsdorf:

[D’Antoni] said he wasn’t afraid of Ben Gordon [playing out his contract].

Nice reminder of the hell July might become, making this coaching search seem like small potatoes.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 13, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Personal Favorite

He likes [Kirk] Hinrich and said he’d tell him he’s playing 35 minutes and not coming out if he makes mistakes. He said he doesn’t believe in pulling a guy when he makes a mistake. He did feel you can defend and play uptempo.

I think im gonna go cry now….

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 13, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

we should keep in mind

that any interview with Reinsdorf was still technically ‘negotiation’, so D’Antoni likely embellished how much he loves everyone on the Bulls.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 13, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Part of my love is for the hinrich part

But the other half has to go to the last line, play defense and play uptempo, its what i believe the bulls can definetly do (and nba 2k8 agrees with me, although that probably doesnt mean anything)...to me the comment means “Yes, I can make all your dreams of what the bulls can do reality…oh wait…i work for New York now…”

Even you must admit matt, just the words of what d’antoni said has to intrigue you and make your mind wonder, what would it have been like.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 13, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's because, unlike the Bulls management

he’s apparently a classy guy.

I mean, what’s the man supposed to say? “I was frightened Jerry Reinsdorf would go OJ on my while I was at his pad Friday night”? He said the only thing he could say without making it sound like the Bulls had been complete tools.

On the other hand, the Bulls are still publicly crying like a bunch of fucking babies. At least now that Reinsdorf is on record we have an idea where Pax learned it from.

by Sports2 on May 13, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Job Scarcity

What Paxsdorf does not understand is that there are only 30 head coaching jobs in the NBA, thus there are very few opportunities so when a job is offered you must make the decision with incomplete info and D’Antoni did just that. Sure it benefits the Bulls to wait and exercise their due diligence, it does not benefit D’Antoni who takes the bird in the hand as the sane thing to do in this case.

The Knicks are not that much worse than us, we are both teams that failed to make the playoffs in a weak conference and so the choice becomes easy of where to coach. We MAY have the pieces to be a better team, but the team is not a Championship team regardless of who coaches it so take the money and let us get Skiles 2.0 in Avery Johnson and enjoy our first round playoff run.

Peace

by bullschwaa on May 13, 2008 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Another frame

D’Antoni was indifferent to the Bulls and Knicks. Bulls have the current roster and the big market. Knicks have the big market, big money, and brand new basketball operations people to retool their roster. Either club was going to be better for D’Antoni than a return to the valley.

Using the clubs against each other, D’Antoni, through his agent Wayne LeGarie, pushed the bidding process into the NY tabloids to elevate the value of his client. The longer D’Antoni remained in limbo with Kerr the more time would pass for active Suns to comment on bringing back D’Antoni. The Sunday deadline was set by D’Antoni. He wanted to move quickly.

The good news we learn from these stories today is that Paxson was on board with D’Antoni. He was excited about something new for the Bulls that is increasingly used, copied, and modified to suit the demand for scoring.

by NBA Observer on May 13, 2008 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

On the bright side

(why do I keep using references to Phoenix)

At least Brian Shaw’s name enters Smith’s report and Johnson’s report. I hope he gets an interview.

The new hiring time frame is looking more like mid June now.

by NBA Observer on May 13, 2008 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm up for whatever

I remember the Bulls still used sets from the offense during the Tim Floyd reign, I’m guessing it didn’t go down so well. However, I think it could work. The players are fairly intelligent, and coming from strong college schools, most of them would be able to grasp a fairly complex offense. I’m still not sold on how effective it can be when there is no go-to guy in the post for us.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 13, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

The triangle doesn't require a low post go to guy

It’s mainly associated with the high post. Before it was called the Triangle it was called the Triple High Post Offense.

by NBA Observer on May 13, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

the bulls should embrace the triangle

the bulls were the team that first used it, and like phil said, when run properly, its a flawless system. hmmm, phil has won 9 rings with the triangle, working on his 10th, he may be on to something.

All of this “we wanted d’antoni” talk is just a message to the team that jerry and pax were trying to get him, but he didn’t even wait for an offer, so its basically out of there hands. which i agree with. what can you do if the guy doesn’t even wait to hear what you have to offer. fuck that guy, i hate to break to everyone, he went for the cash and the opportunity to blow up the knicks and recreate them in his image. That was his motivation, cash and total control. he basically gets to do what he wants with no expectations for the next two years. the more i think about this d’antoni thing, the more i am happy he is not coming to chicago. the guy seems like a slime-ball. he totally screwed phoenix. it would have been a seriously risky hirer for a lot of dough. and he can talk about how much he loves teaching defense, but that was clearly not the case in phoenix. the suns were totally lost on defense, hence them never have any real, big time sucess in the playoffs. hire thibidaue or shaw if you want a a man with a plan, and a guy who will be motivated by the challenge of getting our youngs guys to reach their potential.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on May 13, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why the love affair with team defense

The Bulls even when Skiles had them playing great defense 2 years ago were not going to win a championship, you have to be able to score points to win games, especially close ones and until the Bulls have a top 10 player who can win games at the end it does not matter.

Defense does not win championships, superstar players with really really good players win championships.

by bullschwaa on May 13, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

No...

They eat Little Chocolate Donuts…

Step 1 - Hire a coach. Step 2 - ... Step 3 - Win.

by Lt.Dan on May 13, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Classic, love the touch of smoking while eating the donuts

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 13, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cite Precedent...

“Before I swing for the bleacher seaties, I get the eaties for my wheaties.”
-Ron Cey

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on May 13, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

do guys think

that he chose new york, because of the possibility that lebron might end up there. i keep hearing about him going to leave the cavs when his contract is up and new york seems to be number 1 on his list. that couldve have been a selling point i guess. though he would have to wait a few more seasons for LBJ.

Ralph Wiggum, a smarter man than Jim Boylan

by Yibs on May 13, 2008 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Do you beleieve Reinsdorf?

According to Sam Smith, Reisndorf said D’Antoni told him…

He said money wasn’t the most important thing and it might take three years to get the New York roster in shape.

Mitch Lawrence are already talking about the moves.
One of the first plays Mike D’Antoni is expected to draw up as the Knicks’ new coach is for Stephon Marbury to run up the Garden floor … and out the door back to Phoenix to rejoin the Suns.

by NBA Observer on May 13, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wah?

I am embarrassed to be a fan of an organization that would now twice (Pax first, and now Reinsdorf) publicly whine about not landing a decent, yet overrated head coach. So you didn’t land D’Antoni, who cares?! How about not letting your organization look like the victim? It’s not like he’s the second coming of Phil Jackson. Move on.

by RogersPark Kris on May 13, 2008 9:15 AM CDT reply actions  

$$$

That’s right on the money.

By the way, hope you don’t mind I appropriated your comment for my signature a while back. Thanks in advance.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 13, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Gentleman's Agreement"

The Bulls are quickly casting themselves as the Franchise No One Should Expect to Deal With Reasonably. Or at least the Franchise Most Whiny in the Press.

The D’Antoni, Gordon and Deng negotiations are only the latest. Remember the “handshake agreement” with Horace Grant? Remember the multiple near-trades of Scottie Pippen throughout his career?

For the sophisticated real estate attorney and billionaire owner of one of the most profitable sports franchises in America, Reinsdorf comes off as a bit artless in the aftermath of the D’Antoni situation.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 13, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

meh

I think Reinsdorf just likes the negotiation. I don’t see a lot of evidence that he’s picking players or coaches to acquire. He pays people to do that. He’s just the final say in the form of the contract negotiation.

I’d like to see some evidence that Paxson actually draws up any of the contracts the Bulls offer to players, coaches, free agents, etc.

It sure seems like Paxson just tests the waters, finds a fish, gets a bite, and hands the rod to Reinsdorf to real em in or let him go.

by NBA Observer on May 13, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

But actually, my point is not that Reinsdorf is a bad negotiator per se on a microlevel, or that Pax does or does not negotiate specific provisions.

My point is that in the aggregate, various negotiations have ended in pure acrimony. The result is that Reinsdorf seems to lack credibility. And then has this pattern of declaring himself, and the organization, victim—in other words, sometimes whining to the press about the fact that he did things the right way whereas the opposing party was being irrational. Not always, but I’m just saying it does sometimes come across that way.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 13, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

agree

Reinsdorf thinks in slow motion, negotiations in the NBA occur in fast motion. Jerry is so old school that he thinks people are not allowed to shift gears, react on gut emotions and change there minds even when nothing is even written and signed in a contract. Jerry, this is the trait of a good NBA coach..“to make adjustments on the fly”

Rehire Boylan, because he’ll stick with a line-up even when it’s not working. True to his word.

Walk up Jerry!

Florida’s Donovan even signed a contract and afterwards changed his mind. Stop Crying you should have signed him that day with a clause, and made a few million from the NY if he changed his mind!

Reinsdorf the mammal that never changes his mind, in any walk of life!.

by exult463 on May 13, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the next coaching job

The bulls should send you (or anyone else who wants to criticize the events) since its obvious you guys know “how its done”. Do i sound a bit like bullshooter???

My point is that it really takes two to get things done, and in terms of coaches, well how often do great coaches win with your average players? D’antoni said it was a gut feeling, that he acted before the offer came, so what exactly could have the bulls organization have done to stop him. Someone has to lose a negotiation, it ended up being the bulls. This event really isnt in the same class as the supposed kobe talks, a good coach is needed for sure, but how much can a coach really do after tip off? In other words, d’antoni would never immediately make us a contender or even a playoff bound team, not right off the bat. This is why coaches get paid so little. They are important no doubt, but they arent the ones who score or defend.

Taking time to consider all things about a coach is not a bad idea, its alot different for when trying to get an all star or superstar, we were foolish last season who questioned bryant on the bulls (at least most of us) and i think due to this horrible season we are now (as fans) desiring big changes to occur without being in the know at all. Its just creating alot of negative energy on this blog and allowing people to come in and swear and discuss trading the entire roster and blowing the team up….uhh.

Until November i am sticking with this slogan, The Bulls deserve a Second Chance. From Shannon brown all the way up to John Paxson, this team deserves one more chance. Maybe im naive, but ill go forward as a naive fool, rather then a pessimistic blogger.

I apologize in advance…

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 13, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

well piccolomair & sue

when you change your mind come November, and this same declining situation exist. Remember Jerry Reinsdorf will not forgive you and demand you to support the bulls, your word is your word and you are not allow to change your mind, even if Kirk is also traded. I’ll look to see you at the home games against other subpar NBA teams because there will be many empty seats.

by exult463 on May 13, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't live

in Chicago and have never been to a Bulls game. If Kirk gets traded I won’t be here.

by sue369 on May 13, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

huh

I dont think ill change my mind before november even if kirk is traded. Im sure ill follow his career, but if the bulls are doing good in november ill be a fan. If they arent doinig well, ill still be a fan but the organizations second chance would have been used by then and i would join the hating party.

Also im thinking more so late november rather then early november. Why? Because by then there should have been a fair ammount of games into the season that will be able to gauge if the bulls made the neccessary changes that will lead to improvement, or have yet again screwed up.

And about the empty seats… HELL YEA ILL GO. I love the game of basketball, Watching pros is incredible. The skill level is so far beyond me its remarkable. Even if the bulls themselves suck, i can watch a few players do what they do and be in awe of the spectacular abilities. I mean, i love just going down to the park and shooting around, and sometimes there will be a bunch of guys that i dont know having a pickup game and i like just sitting and watching them do thier thing and wait for those spectacular plays and shots, or watch the horrible ones and enjoy the humor in them. So yea for cheap tickets id go watch basketball games at the pro level despite who is playing and how they are playing.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 13, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

the story goes that Reinsdorf hasn't made an offer to a coach's agent since

Brent Musberger’s brother (Phil Jackson’s agent & insidery name-check) pissed him off. Whether it gives Reinsdorf an edge, or he really doesn’t care how much a coach gets paid is up to interpretation (interpretation that no one here is qualified to offer). Either way it isn’t a new development, and you have a crappy agent if Reinsdorf’s hangups about the hiring process come as a surprise.

I can’t criticize an owner for doing things that appear different from the norm, because I don’t know what the norm is, or if Reinsdorf is really making an error. It looks like D’Antoni passed up a shot at a better situation, and a chance to push the Knicks into a offering a bigger contract. Two dumb moves in one.

by hscs on May 13, 2008 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

or two smart moves.

the Knicks job isn’t that bad, and he did get a big contract.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 13, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's better for D'Antoni

because he wants to do his thing (whatever it is) without a boss bossing him around. The Bulls would have been a safer choice as far as getting the next big contract goes.

by hscs on May 13, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

before we declare the organization a disaster

Jerry said a lot…wonder if D’Antoni was irked about that. But then again, when the media is skewering you saying you didn’t do x or y, I’d want to set the record straight too. Personally, I think Pax has handled the criticism a lot better than I would. It’s tiring enough to hear the same tropes like “He didn’t try for Garnett!! He didn’t try for Gasol!!!” from the fans, but when some columnists insist on distorting things, I’d want to rant and rave about the real story too. It may not change the Reinsdorf-haters’ opinion, but it’s good to get your side of the story out there.

IMHO, there’s no mystery here, nor is not getting D’Antoni another sign/example of a glaring pattern of incompetence. They didn’t expect he’d available. He became available. They explored the option, but he’s not so great a coach that you hire him in a day at max money. The guy didn’t use his bench more when his best players were breaking down or recovering. He balks at the notion of playing more defense. When they wanted to explore that for a teensy bit more, he gets antsy and jumps for Donnie, who’s been around forever and waved more cash. D’Antoni admits he doesn’t have a very sound reason. He admitted the Bulls made a decent offer and have more players. What are Pax & Jerry supposed to do? Overpay? I suspect most league observers would agree that the Bulls would offer D a fair coach’s salary, much like they offered Ben & Luol fair amounts (probably more than fair). It sucks (maybe) that we didn’t get D, but let’s move on

by T Maple on May 13, 2008 9:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Do you believe him?

I think that’s exactly what D wanted. Had the Bulls offered 30 mil over 6years b/c NY drove the stock up I bet he’d have taken it. And then no doubt people would be talking about how New York fleeced the Bulls. But Jerry didn’t play. What’s dishonest, I agree, is Jerry/Pax saying they didn’t want to get into a bidding war, and then complaining when D didn’t request their counter-offer.

by T Maple on May 13, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

'let's move on'

well that’s the thing, they aren’t.

All this crapping on D’Antoni’s credentials should have everyone asking why then Paxson liked him so much?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 13, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really. Hasn't Paxson ever heard of

“sour grapes”? You’re supposed to downplay the worth of whatever it is that you didn’t get. Not inflate it. What is Pax thinking?

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 13, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

because

...he would have been a compelling hire. I don’t doubt that and obviously Pax doesn’t. I don’t think he’s a crappy coach. But worth 6 mil for 5 yrs? Without inquiring about and getting assurances about what his philosophy about defense is? And as for moving on, who says they aren’t? I don’t think taking the time to explain your take before Mariotti or Mike North foam at the mouth puts a serious crimp in their coach hiring schedule. We all suspect he’s waiting on Thibodeaux…and whether that’s a good thing is debatable, but I don’t think the teams is going to wither away, nor do I think there’s only one fantastic coach out there to help this team next year.

by T Maple on May 13, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

true

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on May 13, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Imrem:

Maybe the Knicks are the more stable job.

Walsh is a career NBA executive respected around basketball by players, coaches and other management types.

If nothing else, Walsh figures to be running the Knicks for years because he is newly hired.

D’Antoni reportedly wanted a new boss he could work closely with and have sort of a single heartbeat with while rebuilding an organization in disarray.

Paxson also appears to fit that mold, as a GM entrenched in the franchise he helped win NBA championships as a player.

Ah, but maybe D’Antoni looked into Paxson’s eyes and saw something else. Maybe he saw a GM whose eyes have witnessed the worries of the world.

One school of thought proposed to me - I’m only guessing it isn’t from a nursery school - is that Paxson isn’t certain being an NBA general manager is his calling in life.

This past season was difficult for Paxson. The team he constructed began crumbling around him. Good players he drafted from successful college programs became mediocre, unsuccessful and, worst of all, undisciplined.

Next season will be a turning point for the Bulls, after which exactly where Paxson turns will be interesting.

If the Bulls are terrible again, Reinsdorf might look for a way to gently ease out Paxson for his good as well as the team’s.

If the Bulls play better under a new coach, Paxson could decide it’s time to leave them in improving shape and move on to a less consuming career.

Sam Smith has made similar remarks about Paxson’s long-term viability.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 13, 2008 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Good point

...D’A probably saw more long term stability and control in NY, despite a crappy roster. I am now starting to think this is more an indictment of the state of the Bulls franchise, rather than their negotiation process. Also, seems like the relationship with Donny W was stronger, and that was the key factor. I should add that D’A’s comments make him sounds a little wimpy, a surprise to me.

by bullsfaninbigapple on May 13, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

Certainly, there is a faction of us here who for a long time have been saying that Paxson is not cut out for the job. I mean, he can’t even extend an offer to a prospective coach—how pathetic is that? Walsh just absolutely pantsed him.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 13, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

well as Mark Cuban said

a lot of GMs are tighter on their owners’ leash than we think.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 13, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even as an old-fashioned emissary, he failed.

I can easily imagine, if this were a Rudyard Kippling story, Paxson losing his head over this…I mean really losing his head.

(...maybe I’m confusing my Kipling with my Carroll. Still.)

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 13, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

the penguin

I have a feeling that if this scenario was played out with Krause in place of Paxson, D’Antoni would be the coach right now. Sure Krause made some absolutely horrible moves…but one thing is for sure, if he wanted you, if let you know. Walsh is an old-school, experienced guy who knew what he was doing. He duped the Bulls and now they’re crying foul.

by NormVanBeer on May 13, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

And had D'A signed with the Bulls

...b/c the Bulls significantly upped their offer the moment Wash first fluttered his eyelashes at D’A, they’d be saying the Bulls got duped into paying more. [sigh].

by T Maple on May 13, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tough to say

which low is lower.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 13, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

a benny the bull parade

at the airport and throwing out the first pitch wasn’t letting McGrady know that he was wanted? Not to mention whatever graveling Krause did behind closed doors…

by NormVanBeer on May 13, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sam Smith on the McGrady courtship

ESPN Story

Krause had been following Tracy McGrady almost since grade school, and would have used one of the draft picks for him. Given Krause’s affection for him, it’s unlikely McGrady would have encountered the problems he did in Toronto playing behind Vince Carter and for a coach who rode him hard and didn’t want him in Darrell Walker. So he probably would have stayed a Bull. In 2000, McGrady’s agent, Arn Tellem, would try again to get McGrady to Chicago - a major market, which helps with endorsements - when McGrady reached free agency. But by then the Bulls had fallen so low that McGrady wouldn’t go.

by NBA Observer on May 13, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Please do not long for Crumbs

Can you imagine how he would re-negotiate with Deng and Gordon? The Bulls had one of the most successful stretch runs in NBA history in the 90s, yet every championship season was filled with angst, tension, and bad feelings between team and management; and a lot of it had to do with good old Sleuth.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 13, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

trust me

I’m in no way longing for Crumbs…I’m just using my super powers to envision how things would’ve played out had this happened with him. Basically I’m comparing him and Paxson to a degree.

by NormVanBeer on May 13, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

D'Antoni made the right choice, albeit at our expense

I can’t blame the guy after reading both his and Jerry’s take on the situation. Donnie Walsh is going to let D’Antoni coach as free as Mike lets his players play. Not the Bulls, who were suggesting hiring defensive coaches, big men coaches, etc. The Bulls were asking about the gas mileage when going Lamborghini shopping, completely missing the point. Donnie Walsh is going get Mike the players Mike wants and he’s going to get rid of the players Mike doesn’t want. Donnie knew what he wanted and how much he was willing to go after that person. John and Jerry needed to be convinced. In either case, Jerry has no argument because his organization did not even make an offer when they had a head start on the negotiations and front runner status over the late entry NY Knicks. The Bulls wasted their window of opportunity when they had little to no competition, had no sense of urgency after word of NY’s interest got out, shortly released a statement indicating that they don’t get into bidding wars (much better than making an offer) and then still acknowledge that they “probably” would have made Mike D an offer. You tell a guy he probably will get an offer if you’re convinced after he already has a $24m deal in his lap from a GM who lusted after him, and you are crying afterwards? There was no choice to be made, I commend D’Antoni for making the wise choice and staying away from this indecisive, dawdling organization that overvalues itself and underestimates the need to sell the organization to potential employees.

by messwiththebull on May 13, 2008 12:13 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Great analysis. D'Antoni didn't want to deal with all the mixed messages out of Reinsdorf.

Walsh offered more: $, love, freedom, control, cooperation, open-mindeness
Reinsdorf offered more: intereference, 2nd guessing, veto power for the chairman, stress and
after hemming and hawing saying he would need even more time to finalize a contract, substantially less money, stating the Bulls were ready to offer 4 years for AT LEAST AS MUCH AS HE WAS MAKING IN PHOENIX! $4.25 million, no love, potential power struggles, working for a lapdog GM and a lot of headaches.

I don’t think D’Antoni went with his gut, as he stated, instead he chose the most rational decision to go to the Knicks for $6 million per year and be treated with respect without being expected to be a savior and perform miracles right away.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on May 13, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ummm...

Call me crazy, but if you are going to pay a guy anywhere between 5 and 6 mil a year to coach your team, isn’t it ok to expect instant change. I mean, thats why you are paying him that much money.

So, just so I have this straight, you don’t blame D’Antoni for not coming to Chicago because there would be too much pressure on him to win right away, which, imo, should be expected when you pay a guy that much dough. and he chose NY because even if his teams sucked for the next few seasons, its all good???
Since when is D’Antoni good enough to never have a GM or owner second-guess his decisions. Its the owner’s money, he is in charge, not D’Antoni. Contrary to popular opinion, getting paid more money doesn’t mean they respect you more, it just means they can better afford you. When are people in pro sports going to figure it out? oh yeah, never, because the greed will continue to grow and grow

D’Antoni= delusional slime who wants more MONEY!!!! Fuck that douche

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on May 13, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

My equation has a different result. D'Antoni = class act, loved by his players, brings exciting bball to the fans, a big winner

who wants to be appreciated and respected by management and allowed to formulate a team in a way he deems best in addition to cashing in on a bigger contract (see SI insider article by Chad Ford). He is neither delusional or a slime and what is the problem with wanting to get more money if someone feels you are worth it?

Marx, Mao and Lenin have all been buried in the trasheaps of history. This is a free market, where people can work for and where they please. Chairman Reinsdorf is not the cheif comissar of the NBA, although his latest whinings, may make him eligible to be the Chief Blowhard of the NBA.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on May 13, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

How do the guys in Phoenix feel that D'Antoni bailed on

with two years left on his contract? You don’t think bailing like that is a little slimy?

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on May 13, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're probably pretty happy

Since they got rid of him without having to fire him and pay his salary.

by Big D on May 14, 2008 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

nothing is wrong with wanting more money

just dont be a loser and say “it wasn’t about the money” I mean come on, what a cop out. At least be honest about it. It is a free market, but D’Antoni signed a deal with Phoenix, and then realized this year was probably the last realistic chance he had at winning in Phoenix, so what does he do, he bails, but not officially. He meets with Kerr and Sarver and says, “i’m not totally happy here…let me check out some other teams to see if they are interested in me for MORE money, if i dont get any takers, dont worry boys, i will come back to coach the suns.” i wonder if D’Antoni ever tried that move with a lady friend or wife, probably not, because he knows what would have happened. he didnt have the balls to quit Phoenix because he was worried about his money, just like Barkley said. I repeat, i am glad he is not our coach. Yeah, he has an exciting offense and all that bullshit. but behavior like that is a red flag.
umm, wasnt Marx right about the middle class dissappearing, and how greed is the downfall?? hmmm, that marx guy may have been on to something. please, do us all a favor and do not throw Karl Marx under the bus for the mistakes made by Mao Ze Dong. Marx was a genious, Mao was a tyrannical dictator.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on May 14, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

In order to move from capitalism to socialism, Marx called for a period of tyrannical dictatorship

For more examples of this, look to Joseph Stalin, Fidel Castro, and the Khmer Rouge. Communism has been responsible for more deaths in the history of the world than every other belief system except Christianity.

I apologize Matt, I won’t post politics again.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 14, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry for one more political comment but

Groucho Marx was a genius, Karl’s hairbrained philosophy (a man who didn’t even support his own family while pontificating on how to save humanity) led to the deaths of between 100 and 150 million people and the enslavement of milions more in the last century. Talk about disappearance of the middle class, his ideas led to the disappearance of every class except the ruling class of whatever dictator enforced thier iron fist control over the masses.

Ok no more politicking, but I suggest you travel more to realize how fortunate you are to have been born in a free country with incredible prosperity relative to most of the rest of the world.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on May 14, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough

dont worry dude, i have traveled a lot, even to other countries!!!
i am pretty sure marx wasnt calling for the deaths of 150 million people to create a communist society. he did call for the poor to rise up against the upper class to take the power.
pretty sure capitalism has caused a lot of pain and suffering in this country, as well as abroad.
sorry matt, last comment on it

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on May 14, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

link, please

heh.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 14, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hanley Reports Colangelo was denied permission to speak with D'Antoni
The Suns said no last week when the Toronto Raptors, whose president Bryan Colangelo is the former GM of the Suns, asked to speak with Mike D’Antoni.

Sun-Times story

by NBA Observer on May 13, 2008 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I guess I misread the two stories

or maybe just read them differently.

Last week’s story implied a pre-emptive denial. Today’s story seems to indicate Colangelo asked for permission anyway.

by NBA Observer on May 13, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

ah...

I see what you’re getting at.

I suppose it is news that Colangelo did ask for the permission…as the Raptors do indeed have a coach. Although it’s not news if they’re not entirely thrilled with that coach.

And hot off the reader: Colangelo denies the Chicago report.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 13, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

duh!!! I don't need the paper to tell me that.

Juan Dixon’s agent, Calvin Andrews, who also knew Manu Ginobili’s agent’s second cousin in high school fed the vacationing Jamario Moon’s dog over the weekend. Moon’s dog used to be Leandro Barbosa’s best friend, but poor Leandro, who is represented by Merle Scott, discovered he was allergic to Russian Wolfhounds. The dog is a named source in many Peter Vecsey columns, and the stars seem aligned for a major trade this summer.

The dog, Veektor Almeida Barbosa, is currently seeking representation from the Wasserman Media Group, who have close ties to Steve Kerr’s garbage man, Fred Jourgenson. Fred plays poker every other Tuesday with Casey Wasserman’s brother-in-law.

It’s pretty obvious.

by hscs on May 13, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

meh

Slighty amusing. Perhaps with alcohol it will be funnier.

I read it again later. :)

by NBA Observer on May 13, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

D'Antoni is creating excitment in New York

D’Antoni was introduced as the next NY Knick coach and has the ability to create a buzz. Here is the New York Post view.

This is not easy to tolerate.

by chgobr on May 13, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Isiah was creating excrement in New York

long before D’Antoni.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 13, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

As was Eddy Curry

And Zach Randolf…

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 13, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

piccolomair not a pessimistic blogger?

but a sarcastic blogger? Big Difference?

Recommendation: Watch the NBA playoffs, real talent does exists outside of the Bulls organization. Determine a real benchmark to compare the Bulls against. Stop comparing the Bulls organization to a college team.

by exult463 on May 13, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am utterly lost

On the other hand i found something out that i didnt catch before. I thought bullhockey wrote that “Isiah was creating EXCITEMENT in New York long before d’antoni” and i wanted to add well so was Eddy Curry and Zach Randolf and all three of them sucked (leading to the point that d’antoni might not do a great job although he is creating excitement”. I just now noticed that he wrote excrement, thats what i get for skimming.

Also, i do watch a bit of the playoffs when i get teh chance, not as much as bulls games but yea i love watching basketball. Ironically i dont watch college basketball at all, so if i compare the bulls to a college team, i never meant to do it on purpose and it must be a coincidence. I suck at sarcasm, at least writing it, and as proof i tend to apologize afterwards.

ALso, defining a real benchmark is extremely hard. I mean in the nba great teams fall to horrible teams and thus any bench mark goes out the window. An aquisation of a superstar, no matter the position, could turn a horrible team into a contender. Role players can turn to all stars within a season. Wierd things can always happen in the Nba (where amazing happens)
:-)

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 13, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is a manifestation of intolerable

ineptitude, but at least these botched negotiations only pertain to a coaching candidate.

I am much more concerned about how this management regime will navigate future drafts and critical negotiations with free agents (including our own).

The more I watch the playoffs, the more convinced I become that our roster is instrinsically deficient. We need a GM and a coach with a defined vision of how to reconstruct the talent base and transform the Bulls into a title contender. Right now, there is very little hope that we can compete with LeBron, Howard, Detroit, or the Big 3 in Boston. Eventually, age will triumph over the Boston and Detroit squads, but the mantle will simply be passed to LeBron and Howard unless the Bulls are very savvy and judiciously aggresive. A lapse in leadership now could condemn the Bulls to a decade of irrelevance.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on May 13, 2008 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

I also worry about 5 years fighting for the 8th spot and finishing 9-12.

1958ChiTown – I’m with you – I also want the Bulls to be “judiciously aggressive”.

I’m D’Antonied-out. I wish there was a coaching candidate we are not considering that could come in and make this work. I need something to get me excited about this team.

by chgobr on May 13, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

KC said

on CTL tonight that D’Antoni’s wife wanted to go to NY. She wants their kids to go to school there.

by sue369 on May 13, 2008 6:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I imagine the D'Antoni's

now can afford the desired private school in NY with the salary NY is paying. Consider Chicago, she might have been investigating which Chicago Public School to send here children too waiting on Paxsdorf offer?

by exult463 on May 13, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

I’m sure St. Ignatius or Loyola Academy would have been far out of their poor hands had they taken the Chicago job.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 13, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

you guys want to...

start a collection to buy the Bulls? I got 5 on it…

by Sko on May 13, 2008 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

GM=all registered members of BlogaBull

Every management decision is done via poll on this website.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 13, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disaster

The Bulls starting five would be something like: Nene, Melvin Ely, Nick Collison, Sergio Rodriguez and Roger Mason Jr. (my pick).

by paxson43 on May 14, 2008 3:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can we get a catch-all "playoff chat" thread somewhere on the site?

I just want to comment on the games as they are in progress, but I don’t want to muddy the other, distinct threads.

It pisses me off beyond belief to think that the Hornets (owned by Shinn!) have a better club than the Bulls.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on May 13, 2008 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey 1958:

You keeping your tickets? Monday’s the due date and for the first time in the 6 years I’ve had them, it’s not a slam dunk.

by Jobu on May 14, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am agonozing about that right now.

On the one hand, I love the experience of going to games.

On the other hand, I feel slightly aggravated that I am being forced to commit a substantial sum of money to the franchise without any idea of who the coach will be, how we will handle our restricted free agents, whether we will retain Tyrus, etc.

I am tempted not to renew, then see who we hire as a coach and what we do in the offseason. If I like the direction of the club, I’ll purchase new season tickets in the fall. I think season tickets will be available. Of course, the location of my seats would likely be worse.

I just don’t know what to do.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on May 14, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

keep this in mind

one of the great parts of the in-game experience was the avoidance of the broadcast team. Now that part isn’t so bad…

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 14, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

RE: (backup joke)

Thank you, thank you. Try the veal! Nice one Matt. :)

I am also torn. On one hand, the odds of getting better seats for next year with plenty of people jumping ship is enticing. On the other hand, it’s a lot of f’ing money for a not so fantastic looking voyage.

I might try to work a contingency offer along the lines of “This deposit is fully refundable if the Bulls draft Kevin Love over the summer.” Don’t even get me started on that. Who gives a crap how good your outlet passing is if you aren’t athletic enough to ever get a rebound that leads to said outlet pass. I’m getting of track…

I’m also thinking that, I will renew, and then give them 12 months to keep me. If there’s still no light at the end of the tunnel at this point next year, I’m out. The Bulls rep called me yesterday to check my temperature on the matter. I told him I’m pretty pissed on a number of levels with this franchise and what used to be an automatic choice is no longer so obvious. He reminded me that “sports are cyclical.” I wanted to drive to the UC and wrap the phone cord around his neck.

by Jobu on May 14, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

D'Antoni's ok with the Pete Myers of NY

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2008/05/now_that_the_coach_is_hired_wh.html

We were able to confirm our speculation from today’s story that Herb Williams will remain on the Knicks bench as an assistant coach. Six-plus seasons and counting for Herb.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 14, 2008 9:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Now all parties look bad:

Check out KC Johnson’s latest, entitled “Mike D’Antoni Confirms Story, says talks ended in misunderstanding”.

JR and Pax still look lamely indignant, like a kid who asked out the hot girl and got turned down, then got all whiney about it.

But D’Antoni comes off as a money-grubbing whore. “Hey, Jerry, there’s no rush. I want to be with you, so let’s talk on Tuesday…” Then he gets distracted as Dolan waves money under his nose, “Jim, I want to be with you. Take me to New York, baby…!”

D’Antoni to Jerry: “Can we still wants to be friends?”

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 14, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

D'Antoni came accross as a money-grubbing whore? Not the way I read it.

D’Antoni agreed Walsh played a large role. “I did feel he came to get me and I liked that,” D’Antoni said. “When you’re getting divorced by somebody, it feels good to be liked.” In other words, he got affirmation, love, appreciation, acceptance, approval, and autonomy.

In Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs theory, these factors are more important than money, the need for respect, recognition, etc. The $ received are rewards the employer places on the value of one’s services, but are not the prime motivator with almost anyone seeking higher levels of achievement. If you disagree, fine. I am just quoting from a theoretician studied in an old Economics course. But it does make sense.

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by Tyrusmancrush on May 14, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

and pax didn't come to get him?

pax flew out the sunday (same day he was allowed to speak to teams) and met with him TWICE (and before walsh, i might add).

if reinsdorf alienated him… well i don’t know. but pax’s behavior to me says he liked him quite well enough.

by Jaina on May 14, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

This does make me feel there is a character flaw

lurking here. When you are negotiating something this important his behavior is not acceptable. If he felt he loved Walsh and told Pax/dorf he would talk to them, then talk to them and explain what the Knicks “feel like a right fit” means. Maybe it was freedom, maybe resources but then we have an opportunity to address or not address the issue.

If he was this impulsive now he will be just as inappropriately impulsive coaching our team. Don’t unestimate Steve Kerr. He is a smart, savy guy who let him go. I hope we dodged a bullet here.

by chgobr on May 14, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Steve Kerr's labled smart based on what, exactly?

so far his tenure has been bringing in Shaq, and driving a pretty good coach away.

D’Antoni’s just saying it was impulsive as to not get dragged down into where Reinsdorf and Paxson are playing.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 14, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is Steve Kerr smart - I thought his TV analysis was relatively sophisticated and

entertaining. The real reason I think Steve Kerr is smart is because he knew MJ would have torn his heart out if he missed the jumpshot to win our 5th championship – so he made the shot. That was very smart!!

by chgobr on May 14, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree

and i don’t get people who say d’antoni wasn’t wrong to not wait for the bulls’ offer. especially the way it seems like he really misled them.

by Jaina on May 14, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

true

but something just doesn’t sit right with me the way things occurred.

by Jaina on May 14, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

does anyone else think that donnie walsh looks

like the grim reaper…the man is ugly. And why was D’Antoni so excited to work for him? what is the obsession with Donnie Walsh? It is my belief that a GM’s success is based on 75% luck. For example, the GM from NO, he has done as awesome job, but when a guy like chris paul falls in your lap, that makes your job a lot easier. They have to assess risks and all that, but so much is based on luck, that you cant really be uber-critical of a GM for some bad moves, especially when he has made some good moves, and has a good track record in the draft. you have to take the good with the bad. we all know jerry krause and his history, great moves and mind-numbingly stupid moves. it comes with the territory.
but matt, i understand where you are coming from with pax and jerry shouldnt have made it so public that d’antoni was there guy, and how dissapointed he went to NY. like i have said before, and i am sure this has crossed your mind too, pax was probably speaking through the media to his team to let them know that they were trying to get d’antoni, and when a guys mind is made up, you cant do anything more. i bet there were some dissapointed bulls on saturday, and pax is trying to avoid another let down before the season even starts. thats why this next coach, whoever it is, must connect with the team emotionally, if anything else. and yes, he better bring in an effective offense to boot.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on May 14, 2008 3:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I can see the story in December - Bulls' November collapse due to

still being upset they didn’t get D’Antoni in May. Players are distraught and cannot concentrate.

by chgobr on May 14, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha!!

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 14, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's comical

Is that the current GM of NO didn’t draft Paul or David West.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 14, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i did not know that

that is funny, he is like the walrus looking jerry krause…who resembled a whale

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on May 14, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chicago Tribune Live Tonight

Greenstein, KC and Sam Smith were the guests. Smith said that the Bulls(PaxDorf) told D’Antoni they wanted to talk to Steve Kerr.

Has this been reported anywhere? KC seemed to concur with Sam.

by NBA Observer on May 14, 2008 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

No, not to coach

To ask Steve Kerr about D’Antoni. Smith described this as part of the “wheels turning” evaluation. Smith was fairly adamant that D’Antoni should have expected an eval period from the Bulls. They were, at least in agreement, that D’Antoni should be their next coach but wanted time to talk to people and iron out an agreement.

by NBA Observer on May 14, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

wtf?

this gets weirder by the day.

by Jaina on May 14, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

We like you and we're probably going to make you and offer...

... but just to be sure we’re gonna call up your current boss who’s considering firing you, and we’re going to ask him if you have any flaws we should be aware uf.

Hang around a few days and we might make you an offer. We really like you. Really! We really like Steve Kerr too though, but he likes you too, right?

by Sports2 on May 14, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

The way Sam put it

it appeared that talking to Kerr was something Reinsdorf or Paxson told D’Antoni. Sam felt pretty strongly that the Paxson and Reinsdorf should have been able to have some time to discuss the potential hiring of D’Antoni. D’Antoni seemed to be the one that wanted to move fast. Knicks were fast. So he took their offer.

by NBA Observer on May 15, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's nothing unreasonable about this, if Paxdorf did in fact do this.

You’ve got to kick the tires on your $4 to $6 mil per year acquisition. This includes asking former bosses about past work.

D’Antoni looks more and more like a head case here. “I want to work for you guys. Let’s talk again on Tuesday.” (And then to himself: “Holy s*... they want to talk to my ex-boss!? Screw it. I’m signing with New York…”) That’s just weird.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 15, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

no, it's really

not unreasonable to want to talk to a former employer. after all, you’d expect a potential employer to call your former bosses (or current if given permission, and kerr obviously knew he was looking for a new job).

but the story still just gets weirder the more things get leaked out.

by Jaina on May 15, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another note

D’Antoni did “Five good minutes” with Kornheiser and Wilbon on Pardon the Interruption on Tuesday. It was actually about 7 good minutes, but in that 7 minutes D’Antoni went out of his way to avoid mentioning one word, Kerr.

Ooh, ESPN has the video.

by NBA Observer on May 15, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

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