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D'Antoni a Knick (via SI.com)

[ed. note: From the fanposts. This is reported byJack McCallum, who's pretty plugged in to D'Antoni and friends. So it's about as official as it gets. I'll likely have some rationalizing to offer sometime this weekend, but overall I'm pretty disappointed. -Matt]

SI.com reports :

Walsh entered the picture last Monday when he interviewed D'Antoni at his home in Scottsdale, Ariz. That talk was sandwiched between D'Antoni's two interviews with Chicago Bulls general manager John Paxson, who spoke with the 2004-05 Coach of the Year on Sunday night and again on Monday morning in Phoenix. On Friday afternoon, at his home in Scottsdale, D'Antoni also talked to Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, who has a home about 200 yards away from D'Antoni's. But in the end, Chicago couldn't match the New York offer. Walsh also interviewed Avery Johnson, early favorite Mark Jackson and Rick Carlisle, who has landed the Dallas Mavericks' opening.

 

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I got a text

Saying the same thing…my reply was….NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 10, 2008 1:25 PM CDT   0 recs

Paxson is a good scout, but not GM

The fact that the Bulls couldn’t seal the deal with a coach who wanted to coach here, when the players wanted to play for that coach, and when the fans wanted that coach after selling out that shitty arena for years with horrible, horrible teams… I’m just disgusted. This franchise is bush league. It is just a matter of time before the exodus begins. I can see Lu leaving, Ben leaving, trading Tyrus Thomas – Paxson can see the talent, he just can’t nurture it. He cares more about toughness and discipline than winning. And now it seems like they lowballed Avery Johnson as well. It is beyond ridiculous, players are just ripping the organization. Get ready for the next Bulls coach – Doug Collins.

by DangerMouse on May 10, 2008 1:28 PM CDT   0 recs

Ditto x 10 DangerMouse

The Paxson/Reinsdork axis just stuck a dagger into the hearts of most Bulls fans and players who were ready to rock the rafters with the arrival of a player friendly, knowledgeable, uptempo, offensive genius. Paxson also indicated he wants to retain Ron Adams and Pete Meyers, another deep flesh wound for those who have suffered under this regime.

These Scrooges better get a committment from Thibodeau asap to at least retain some credibility. Unfortunately, with no guarantees he would sign with the Bulls, the Celtics will likely wind up in the finals before they can even attempt to lock him up. Has Paxson as GM reached the status of one who embodies the Peter Principle. (promoted beyond his capabilities)? I was heavily dissed for suggesting the Bulls sign Scottie Pippen to an assistant’s role, but I find it interesting in the latest ESPN, the magazine that Tyson Chandler’s wife said his most memorable basketball moments were when he got to play along side of him.

Wouldn’t it be the height of embarassement if the Knicks somehow make the playoffs next year, while the Bulls wind up in the lottery as Deng & Gordon walk away. Before I totally condemn the ineptitude of this organization, I will wait until they execute Plan B. I hope it doesn’t stand for bullshit. We’ve been fed enough of that already.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on May 10, 2008 1:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree 110%

Not only does not sacking up and bringing in D’Antoni completely deflate the fans, but it destroys any excitement the players had. Do you think anyone will want to play for Drill Sergeant Avery? Hell no. Look how they responded to Skiles after he finally wore them down. It was basically a mutiny. This is a disaster from all angles. D’Antoni was a slam-dunk from every aspect…hire him for a few years, develop the young guys into offensive threats, and then when it comes time, bring in a guy like Avery or Thibs to re-hone the defense into a championship-caliber one. Now we’re going to be looking at a Skiles-like team of a couple of years ago, where the players have to bust their asses every single night to compete just because we won’t be able to score with the other team.

Not to mention the fact that Deng is most likely peacing out. I don’t know if BG will want to be back with this mess of an organization. Say hello to Larry Hughes, everybody!!!!

Unless we win the lottery, this organization is completely screwed for the foreseeable future. How did we get to this point? It’s sad, really.

by Illini15 on May 10, 2008 2:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd think a Thibedoeu hire

would signal just as much that player development was key, if not moreso.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 10, 2008 3:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

I would even go so far as to say that Thibodeau might be an even better hire for this team. He’s well known as a great player developer and his defensive schemes are consistently excellent which is why the teams he’s worked for always are at the top or near the top of defensive efficiency. The pulls regaining their footing as an excellent defensive team, while maybe not as exciting as running and gunning in the seven seconds or less offense, would go a long way towards them returning to the playoffs. Another point, if Thibodeau is as good a basketball mind as everyone claims and it’s so obvious that this team is built to run, why wouldn’t he model his offense on that premise. D’Antoni’s not the only one whose teams can run. Not getting D’Antoni doesn’t necessarily mean we won’t be a team predicated on transition.

by fundamentallysound on May 10, 2008 5:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a good point.

We have no idea what Thibodeau’s offense will be like. We do know what JVG and AJ will be like, though. I really have to think at this point, it is Thibodeau or bust.

by tyger1147 on May 10, 2008 6:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think hiring Thibideau

might mean getting another assistant who is an offensive oriented coach to run the offense, but I don’t know.

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on May 10, 2008 7:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that's a given

But I’d like to know what his take on the offensive side of the ball is like.

by Illini15 on May 10, 2008 8:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

At least,

we can find comfort in the fact that there’s still Pete Myers and Ron Adams on the staff.
:-(

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on May 10, 2008 2:06 PM CDT   0 recs

PLEASE JUST SHOOT ME Diablo

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on May 10, 2008 2:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Only after

Pax trades Tyrus this summer.

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on May 10, 2008 2:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Pax trades Tyrus you won't have to shoot me

I will take myself out in a murder-suicide.
Riht after I take Paxson first.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on May 10, 2008 2:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What organization doesn't let their coach hire his own assistants?

And what is with the love affair with Pete Myers. How did this guy become so entrenched in the Bulls organization. When he replaced MJ at SG, did he sign some type of lifetime contract with Jerry Reinsdorf? Is Pete Myers Reinsdorf’s adopted son? I don’t understand how a journey man, scrub works his way to indispensible assistant for the team – meanwhile the Bulls can’t find a job for Pippen… Now i’m just pissing myself off, gotta stop thinking….

by DangerMouse on May 10, 2008 2:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok, who's next?

Alright, so if D’Antoni is gone (and Carlisle) and the Bulls have already had their offer to Johnson rejected, which coaches are left? Thibodeau, (presumably) Mark Jackson and who else? Especially if the report about Johnson rejecting the Bulls’ offer is true, it appears that the team’s options are rather slim, once again.

by paxson43 on May 10, 2008 2:07 PM CDT   0 recs

I think they have to push to get Avery

but at this point, I don’t think they will. I don’t think they are going to get Thibodeau either, not if the Suns want him – heck, he might just stay on the Celtics bench. I really think the Bulls are going to end up with a retread like Van Gundy. I just don’t see any creativity in this organization – Paxson is a mediocre executive at best.

by DangerMouse on May 10, 2008 2:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

FUCK

fuckfuckfuckfuck.

i really hope this somehow turns out not to be true. this season continues to be a bad dream, even though it’s fucking over!

by Jaina on May 10, 2008 2:15 PM CDT   0 recs

Jaina

Just what the Fck are you tring to say? Don’t hold back. Tell us how the Fck you really feel.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on May 10, 2008 2:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i apologize

i got a little overemotional about this.

the bulls just killed any possible momentum that may have excited me at all about next season.

by Jaina on May 10, 2008 2:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We love it when you talk dirty to us, Jania

I was absolutely confident that the whole NY thing was a smoke screen to get some leverage on Pax. Makes sense… a GM who knows what he’s doing; money for the coach; money for players. Those seem to be ingredients one might consider when cultivating a championship squad. It speaks volumes about the perception of the Bulls org. Second class all the way. Second City, second class.

That said, do you think Pax had to use his left hand to pick his jaw off of the ground when he heard the news?

"It is not the same to talk of bulls as to be in the bullring." ~Spanish Proverb"

by VivaLosToros on May 11, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

SHITTT

that pisses me off. I thought it was a done deal and i was telling my buddies that we got the suns’ coach. that sucks. I don’t know who we’re going after next, but i really wanted D’Antoni.

by columbusOHcubsfan on May 10, 2008 2:16 PM CDT   0 recs

big deal

D’Antoni’s not worth that much. It doesn’t matter if he was perceived to be the best coach available. All the choices are/were pretty underwhelming, and the next guy may only last a season or two. Spend on a really good coach when a real one is looking for a job.

by hscs on May 10, 2008 2:52 PM CDT   0 recs

Totally agree

All this shit about D’Antoni being the 3rd best coach behind Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich is laughable.

I don’t know what all the fuss is about a guy who hasn’t won anything.

Excitement isn’t what it’s all about folks.

I speak from experience.

As a Rams fan, I was forced to watch Mike Martz single handedly destroy my team with his all out offense and no defense approach. Boy was it exciting to see a coach turn your team from one of the best in the league to one of the worst.

by Option27 on May 10, 2008 2:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.

D’Antoni probably would have gotten the bulls to score more points, but you know what, Jim Boylan got the bulls to score more points this year too.

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on May 10, 2008 7:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As exciting as D'Antoni might have been

Throwing 24 million at a coach with somewhat significant flaws isn’t the greatest idea. Plus, I have even greater doubts about D’Antoni now. I don’t trust anyone that’s willing to coach the Knicks. Maybe he’ll surprise, but I have my doubts with that roster.

formerly sbulls

by Scotter on May 10, 2008 3:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe he can resign

if they don’t win the lottery. Friendly ping-pong balls and they’re better than the Bulls. I’m not sure I trust anyone who wants to coach this team…there’s little room to do anything special anytime soon. Even a return to 50 wins will be ‘meh’. With the Knicks he can be a hero.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 10, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

They’re roster is a disaster – not only that, but it’s completely inflexible. It’s not like they can blow it up, because no one wants their trash.

Me thinks there’s an agreement in place for Stern to rig the lottery. Then they draft Derrick Rose and Bulls Nation collectively weeps.

by Illini15 on May 10, 2008 3:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I imagine they'll change quicker than they're given credit for.

As long as the Knicks are willing to spend, I’d imagine they could find a way to move one of the guys they really want to move.

by Sports2 on May 10, 2008 6:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Serendipity?

If there is ever a hope of enjoying a playoff battle between the Knicks and Bulls anytime in the foreseeable future, this may be the seed. NY needs all of the expertise they can muster after Isiah mucked it up.

I loved those classic bloody battles with the Knicks with Mike & Co. taking on the Pats + Thugs Inc. I bet that it will be a different brand of basketball should D’A get the Knicks to that level. In the meantime, it’ll be interesting to see what he does with the manure that he’s been planted into. Is J’O to NY finally going to happen?

In the least, this helps us Bulls fans take an active interest in continuing to root against the Knicks.

"It is not the same to talk of bulls as to be in the bullring." ~Spanish Proverb"

by VivaLosToros on May 11, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

*whiff*

I called this on Wed but I got beat up by people like “snley” for jumping to conclusions and overreacting. It was pretty much a wrap as soon as the financial battle entered the picture. Oh well, as quick as I got excited about D’Antoni, I’ll get over this just as quick. I liked him, but I think the Knicks will be the ones who will suffer (at least at first).

by NormVanBeer on May 10, 2008 3:04 PM CDT   0 recs

you must be psychic

Predicting the Knicks will outspend another team… Unthunkable!

by hscs on May 10, 2008 3:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not that the Knicks would outspend someone

but that the Bulls would shrivel up and wimper away.

Oh, and it’s “unthinkable” smart guy

by NormVanBeer on May 10, 2008 3:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

huh?

Didn’t the Knicks just make D’Antoni the 3rd highest paid coach in the NBA? There’s only an accountant in the bowels of MSG shriveling up and whimpering right now.

Oh, and it’s “sarcasm,” Emmanuel Lewis.

by hscs on May 10, 2008 3:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

huh?

I don’t even know what the Emmanuel Lewis comment is supposed to mean, so I’ll let you translate that lost joke on your own.

As usual, you don’t follow because you’re too busy trying to be an ass. My “prediction” (your word, not mine) wasn’t that the Knicks would exactly outbid the Bulls, it was that the once pressure was applied (in a financial sense) the Bulls would go away. To outbid someone, more than one party has to put a bid in. From reports, it doesn’t even look like the Bulls got that far. So they didn’t get outbid, they simply got spooked and ran away.

Don’t try to pass off your mis-spelling as being “sarcastic”...that’s a pretty lame cover up for being un-funny in the first place.

by NormVanBeer on May 10, 2008 3:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I took it as sarcasm

and it wouldn’t have been a misspelling, it’d be a typo. Which is a lame reason for you to be un-funny.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 10, 2008 3:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it was a typo

because it was misspelled. Jumping in something that doesn’t even pertain to you is just lame period.

by NormVanBeer on May 10, 2008 3:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Emmanuel Lewis-Webster-Noah Webster

It wasn’t really meant to be ‘got’. I’m laughing at my own jokes, and recognizing how clever and smart I am is pretty important. I think you’d agree that patting yourself on the back is the best kind of back patting.

I called this on Wed but I got beat up by people like "snley" for jumping to conclusions and overreacting.

Sweet prediction, dude!

by hscs on May 10, 2008 3:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

semantics

“prediction” vs. “I called this”...technically I never said “prediction”, you did.

by NormVanBeer on May 10, 2008 3:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Paint it any color...

But the point he was making is that you jumped all over him for something that turned out be true.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on May 10, 2008 3:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I actually typed a dozen words

There wasn’t any jumping involved. Let’s make that clear for Norm. He hates when things are misrepresented.

Someone bold enough to recognize her or his own massive achievement in pointing out something rather obvious should be able to take the heat.

by hscs on May 10, 2008 3:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Eh, fair enough...

And just for the record I always love a good Noah Webster joke.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on May 10, 2008 3:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

apparently

it wasn’t too obvious for some people, because as I said in the first place, I got jumped all over about it. True, it may have been obvious to you, but you don’t represent everyone here. I would know if I was “patting myself on the back”, and I wasn’t. Maybe you took it like that from the way I worded it. But I was honestly only referencing what I said a couple of days ago.

Just like I missed your sarcasm, you missed what I meant in my post.

by NormVanBeer on May 10, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

how 'bout we flip for it?

Just don’t brag about picking heads a week from now.

by hscs on May 10, 2008 5:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure...

Bring Webster into it why don’t you. Jerk.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on May 10, 2008 3:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just remember, the end doesn't justify the means

Plus, it looks like the Bulls didn’t even get a chance to make an offer, so we’ll never know if they would have matched or not.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 11, 2008 8:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Bulls were just too slow,

while D’Antoni likes to go fast.

Now we can enjoy a break (not fast) until Pax can interview top assistants on successful teams.

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on May 11, 2008 1:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

avery

why would avery join the bulls if they wont pay him more then what he is making by taking time off. Unless he is desperate to get back to coaching he would lose tons of money. If the bulls arent willing to pay D’Antoni, they arent gonna pay Johnson? If they do, that would add injury to insult.

by Sambossanova on May 10, 2008 3:07 PM CDT   0 recs

agreed that Johnson likely would sit out

plus, this job isn’t as plum as Marc Stein (“budding star Luol Deng”) thinks.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 10, 2008 3:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

rudderless ship

Personally, I thought D’Antoni would have been a nice addition to the team. He is well-respected by players and I think the listless losers on the current Bulls roster would have been energized with him at the helm. I didn’t buy the “no defense” talk because the Bulls have better natural defenders than the Suns. Moreover, Pax’s and Reinsdorf’s insistence that the Bulls retain their identity as a defensive-minded team is laughable. This team has no identity! At a minimum, his hiring would have brought some excitement to a team that is bordering on irrelevancy.

I did not go into this thinking “D’Antoni or bust,” so although I am disappointed that the Knicks got him, I am more disappointed with Paxson’s (and maybe Reinsdorf’s) general handling of the coaching search. These repeated statements about how this will be done on the Bulls’ schedule ignores the realities of how these deals are done. If someone is available, you make an offer or else that person gets hired elsewhere.

As I understand it, Pax’s approach was that he was going to interview everyone on his list and not make a decision until all interviews were held. Guess what? Carlisle and D’Antoni have been hired. Johnson is probably not going to coach for anyone next year. Mike Dunlap (who?!) has been hired by Arizona. Who is left? Tom Thibodeau? What if he doesn’t work out or stays with the Celtics? Mark Jackson (who has said he would only coach the Knicks)?

There is a lot of speculation that losing D’Antoni came down to money (which is reasonable given Reinsdorf’s involvement). Please remember that the Bulls raised ticket prices this season, making us the third most expensive ticket in the NBA. Is the team purposely trying to insult its fans at this point? Remember that we are paying for the privilege of a losing team, incompetent coaching and an overall boring product. Can someone remind me why I still care?

by Stay Chisel on May 10, 2008 3:14 PM CDT   0 recs

great post

I totally agree. Everyone is saying “let’s wait and see who they hire” but who’s left? We are placing an awful lot of faith that we are going to get Thibodeau from the Celtics. I bet we end up with Jeff Van Gundy (who I wouldn’t completely hate) or the Piston’s assistant that has been mentioned. The Bulls aren’t going to pay Avery more than Dallas will pay him to sit home, and I don’t think bringing in a guy with no coaching experience like Jackson makes sense when you are looking for a quick turnaround. The Bulls knew they were going to fire Boylan 5 games into his reign, yet this is how we conduct our coaching search? Its beyond pathetic, Paxson needs to account for himself. He has screwed the pooch one too many times.

by DangerMouse on May 10, 2008 3:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe they're not looking for a quick turnaround

which I’d consider smart, because there isn’t going to be one (unless they win the lottery)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 10, 2008 3:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

perhaps

but I still think at the end of the day your team has to have a system and identity. They aren’t looking for a quick turn around, they aren’t looking to rebuild, and they aren’t looking to move players… so what is the plan? What is the team’s identity? 30 win team I guess.

by DangerMouse on May 10, 2008 3:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that's what it is

until it isn’t.

Identity is just given after you win. They’ll likely be a top defensive team again fairly soon, if that’s enough for you.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 10, 2008 3:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i totally disagree

Nellie went to Golden State and played Nellie Ball and they won. KG and Thibideau made Boston into a good defensive team from day one. The best GM and coaches go into situations with a plan already in place. Over the next 3 years we know exactly what the Knicks intend to do, just because of the coach they hired. Your coach and best players provide who you are. Scott Skiles made the Bulls into a great defensive team.

Paxson doesn’t seem to have a plan. That is a huge problem. Like I said elsewhere, we are putting an awful lot of stock in a guy Thibideau, that we haven’t seen as a head coach, haven’t interview, and who really hasn’t won anything as of yet.

by DangerMouse on May 10, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah but if Nellie ball went into play

and they sucked, their identity would be suck. So consider this identity Boylan-ball until further notice.

Isn’t the identity already established as a defensive team?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 10, 2008 3:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It'd still be a run-run-run team, wouldn't it?

Identity isn’t just winner or loser, although that’s obviously part of it.

by tyger1147 on May 10, 2008 6:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I love your thinking...

but dislike VG as a coaching candidate if only for this…

"It is not the same to talk of bulls as to be in the bullring." ~Spanish Proverb"

by VivaLosToros on May 11, 2008 10:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So did D'Antoni make his decision before or after he personally

spoke to Reinsdorf?

Reports indicated that they were going to meet this weekend.

I wonder if Reinsdorf stated that the Bulls weren’t prepared to offer financial terms comparable to the Knicks?

And while this isn’t a disaster for the franchise and doesn’t presage doom, it certainly isn’t a positive development either. If people were reticent to get excited over D’Antoni, who was an established head coach with a gaudy winning percentage, then there definitely isn’t any reason to get excited over an obscure Boston assistant with no head coaching experience.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on May 10, 2008 3:23 PM CDT   0 recs

who cares if they bring excitement?

bring winning, get excited. Thibodeau isn’t obscure in the least.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 10, 2008 3:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Winning is exactly what I was referring to.

Certain posters have indicated that there was no reason to believe that D’Antoni is a great coach who could turn the franchise around, despite his established head coaching record. If that is the case, there is even less reason to believe that Thibodeau is going to lead the Bulls to victory. The fact of the matter is that the guy has never been a head coach and there is no public track record to indicate he will succeed in that role with the Bulls. We are left to rely on the assessments of various League “insiders” and the judgment of Paxson, which has been suspect of late.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on May 10, 2008 3:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe there's less reason

but the gap between them could be narrower than we all think.

The real question is what will Paxson do if Thibs is just an awful interview. :-)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 10, 2008 3:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs