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Everything you wanted to know about how Phoenix phans pheel about D'Antoni

is here. (well, not all fans, but a few good ones anyway)

One of the main complaints is over a lack of adjusting both in season and between seasons.

So while we've been discussing whether he's a good fit as Bulls coach, it's been seeming like the first route is to then think how the Bulls roster can be like that of Phoenix. But they're not like Phoenix, and even if that was a goal it'd be too hard to accomplish in any reasonable timeframe.

It seems ridiculous to me to just assume D'Antoni only knows how to coach Steve Nash. However, he’s also never had another (NBA and long-tenured, for those nitpickers) head coaching gig, so it’s tough to say conclusively that he can coach without Steve Nash, either.

But I don’t think it makes sense to simultaneously want him as a coach, yet also think he can only coach if he has a ‘Nash’, or ‘Nash-type’point guard. You either trust him to be a coach who can adjust to his personnel, or you don’t. And it it's the latter, I don't see why one would want him here. And to make a more pertinent point, Paxson has indicated that adjusting to the roster (as opposed to allowing a coach like Skiles to have heavy input) is a good selling point for potential suitors in his quest-for-the-basketball-soulmate.

So while there's no Steve Nash in Chicago for D'Antoni, there is a nucleus of players who defensively are above average individually, and possibly great together (at least be a top-10 defense simply by not playing for a coach they openly despise), something he didn't have in Phoenix. If he can embrace that, while also bringing some of his offensive philosophies (and his apparent emphasis on player development) to transform a completely inept offense, that's enough for me, even if the Bulls can never become as proficient as the team he left behind.

As you can tell, this isn't exactly an endorsement, as I wouldn't know what to expect from him on another roster either. As for better or for worse, most of the players will still be back no matter who's the coach.

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The only thing that scares me

Is his obvious stubbornness to not use his bench players, when he obviously knew Nash/Marion/Hill/etc were logging way too many minutes during this 4 year run.

Coaches are very odd people, they get fired from jobs, yet continue to make the same mistakes that got them canned in the first place.

There’s no reason to think hiring D’Antoni makes the Bulls a weaker defensive team. I am not concerned with the Bulls becoming a bad defensive team, because as many have pointed out, no one on the Bulls is as bad or disinterested in defense as Nash and Amare are, nor is anyone as creaky as Shaq or Hill going to be playing significant minutes for us either. If Paxson doesn’t want to make any significant roster changes, then going after D’Antoni with whatever he has is mandatory.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 1, 2008 11:49 PM CDT   0 recs

Agree--that was one of my first thoughts

as well.

One of the things that made Skiles so great with a young roster (before he sucked with an old starting lineup, before it became young again) was his willingness to go so deep into his bench on a regular basis. D’Antoni seemed to want to tighten his rotation more and more, and you wonder if this became an over-reliance on Nash at the expense of Nash’s ability to endure, and at the expense of keeping bench guys involved.

Another weird thought was, what if D’Antoni requires that the Bulls have a decent backup PG to entice him to come to Chicago, and what if that means keeping Chris Duhon? That would be awkward, given that he’s been written off as “gone” since Hughes came to town.

And what the hell would D’Antoni do with Hughes anyway? His system calls for a lot of shooting, but it has only succeeded with players who were generally smarter and/or better shooters than Hughes. I mean, is it conceiveable that he turns Hughes into less of a liability (while keeping him in the game)?

And how will the youth of the Bulls affect the whole process? D’Antoni is credited with developing Diaw, Barbosa and to some extent Joe Johnson, but he’s had one of the more veteran teams the last few years. Hopefully Noah, Thomas and (if he’s on the team) Duhon won’t act like children with D’Antoni and his staff.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 2, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nash's ability to endure...

...never reached the breaking point nor slowed down his team. He’s the best player on your team, you have to play him as much as possible. His replacement for 2 years was Marcus Banks who you don’t want to play under any circumstances.

by JockstrapNoah on May 2, 2008 12:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't know which way you were going to go with that

but yeah, I think D’Antoni could be the right guy with the right assistants and a renewed effort from the players. I think a changeup on offense is one of the big things the bulls need, because just about every team in the league knew the bulls’ plays at this point.

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on May 1, 2008 11:49 PM CDT   0 recs

i agree with the changeup on offense part

but not because teams knew the Bulls plays. I think a lot of the teams in the league run the same stuff. According to Larry Hughes, when he got here, a lot of the plays were the same, just the calls were different. I remember hearing Jason Kidd say the same thing after his trade to Dallas (I’m too lazy to look for the articles).

Hughes seems to have play-call-stealing, down to an art…

by NormVanBeer on May 2, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i've been thinking about it all day

and have decided that we need to get him ASAP.

Avery is even less of a player’s coach than Skiles was, and for that reason I would pass on him because I believe we need someone to come in for a good five seasons. Supposedly D’Antoni loves some of our guys, and all the guys on the Suns seemed to love him.

He is one of the best coaches in the League. Sammy Mitch is gonna be staying up in the Great White North, which was GREAT to hear because it gives us the inside track on D’Antoni.

So I guess it comes down to Thibs and D’Antoni, and I would take D’Antoni every time. It would instantly revitalize this team and give us the credibility we so sorely lack.

Let’s right this ship. Get on the fuckin’ horn Pax and pull the trigger on this before it’s too late.

by Orlando Woolridge on May 1, 2008 11:54 PM CDT   0 recs

To me, getting D'Antoni would be like the getting a super hot girl/boyfriend

All your friends are jealous of you and if s/he is also smart and fun to hang out with, you feel like you’ve won the lottery. If s/he turns out to be lame and boring, the fact that your friends are envious keeps you with her/him for at least a little while. You might eventually break up but will still remember all the good parts later on. You think Nick Lachey has any regrets about his marriage to Jessica Simpson?

I mean, why the hell not go for D’Antoni? We know he’s going to reinvigorate our guys and bring some excitement back to Chicago. The worst case scenario is that we find out he can’t adapt his style, at which point he’ll be fired and one of his promising assistants will step in. What else is there to be scared of? More rebuilding? Let’s face it: this team is ok, but there are no guarantees that it’s even close to championship caliber. Going after D’Antoni at least give us a chance to find out.

by paxson43 on May 2, 2008 1:46 AM CDT to parent up   2 recs

"Avery is even less of a player’s coach than Skiles was"

really? I don’t think that way at all. Jason Kidd doesn’t count. Heck, Avery probably did a good enough job just be keeping his players focused enough to ignore the owner.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 2, 2008 9:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah you're prolly right

but at least Skiles didn’t screech in their ears like an owl at every huddle.

also, he puts way too much faith in “jesus christ almighty” for my liking.

by Orlando Woolridge on May 2, 2008 12:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it's the NBA

per Paul Shirley’s book, such a sentiment likely makes Avery a good ‘players coach’.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 2, 2008 1:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

never read that book.....

but according to the Fort Worth Star Telegram, his exit wasn’t very “saintly”

http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/618716.html

by Orlando Woolridge on May 2, 2008 1:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kinda makes me wish he had a team

with Mahmood Abdul Rauf brining the ball up for Kareem Abdul-Jabber.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 2, 2008 2:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have a funny feeling

Thibodeux would be better, but yeah, Bulls should get D’Antoni. He’s got a lot of issues in my book (I’ve been very frustrated with him, mostly the high PT for stars coupled w/ “Play harder, guys” coaching). But that’s simplistic, and Bulls have no stars, right?

Oh, and I really think he’s gone. He probably needs to get away from the alienating front office [quick history lesson: Joe Johnson, Bryan Colangelo (COTY!), Shawn Marion].

The “can’t coach def” is a myth, as is “can only coach Nash” (though this impression is largely his doing). He gets too much credit for overachieving ‘05-06, when they squeaked by in 7 vs both the LAs. Just as he gets too much criticism for not getting past SA now.

Bulls young legs and having no star would fit his “the ball finds the energy” style. Lite practice schedule means if my guy Deng can’t stay healthy with D’Antoni, there may be a problem (can he bring the PHX trainer over with him, please?).

Suns usually dominated the East, but watch out for struggles w/ DET and BOS. They’ll be the new Spurs: kryptonite-wielding, tempo-controllers for him. But at least there’s no LAL or NO.

Watch out for small ball: Noc at the 4 a lot, and he LOVED ending games with Nash/Barbosa/Bell/Marion/Stoudemire. That’s when the “D” can get gimmicky. Not always good or best for the close out!

This eventuality would be kinda dream come true, if he can play the right/obvious guys. I don’t enjoy the current Suns’ roster near as much as the Bulls’ anyway. The players will be PSYCHED!

Joakim Noah for player/coach!

by marionette on May 2, 2008 3:59 AM CDT   0 recs

D'Antoni's version of small ball

has the exact same weakness as the Bulls version. If you don’t make 60% of your shots with the small ball lineup or rebound at a higher rate than the 5 man would otherwise rebound then you’re sunk. Furthermore, if you use small ball you have to use it effectively as a scheme against an opponent that isn’t going to the low block on every possession until you substitute the bigger body back into the game. The Spurs and Mavs both schemed against this very well to defeat the Suns in the last few postseasons.

by NBA Observer on May 2, 2008 7:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have similar concerns of lots of Noce at the 4.

Right now, I think the ideal potential candidate is George Karl, but it sounds like he’s not going anywhere

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 2, 2008 8:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yet another reason to trade Noc :)

You’re right that I don’t want D’Antoni if he has a Skiles-like insistence at having a jump-shooting PF.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 2, 2008 9:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not good news then

because a jump shooting PF is exactly what D’Antoni demands and needs to effectively run the high screen set offense.

by NBA Observer on May 2, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My hope with that is that D'Antoni would be willing to adjust his system to the team

and that Thomas’s summer at IMG helps make him the clear choice over Nocioni at the 4

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 2, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Best case scenario

I don’t want Nocioni at the four unless it’s to exploit a matchup discrepancy. Otherwise it’s yielding rebounding because Noc just isn’t tall enough to control the defensive glass without lots of help.

I think D’Antoni would adjust. Just a cursory glance of tape of Thomas will show you that he can set a screen at the top of the key and roll to the rim as quick as anyone in the NBA. Thomas is the PF of this team.

by NBA Observer on May 2, 2008 12:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, if it's a jump-shooting pf that he needs,

look no further than Luol Deng—as discussed here ad nauseam a few weeks ago. Deng’s West-like game might perfectly suit him for the type of forward D’Antoni likes.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 2, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Now that I think of it a little more, Marion mostly played the 4 with Phoenix

One of his biggest complaints and why he wanted to leave was that he wasn’t involved in many set plays other than to hang out by the 3 point line. While it’s nice to have that, I wouldn’t say it’s absolutely essential to the offense they ran.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 2, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I’ve thought for years that Marion

was a bit of a head case. He always complained about not having any specific plays drawn up for him—all while putting up huge numbers year after year.

Marion’s often been referred to as a ‘garbage man,’ and I think in his head he took that as some sort of an insult, but to me, and I think to most people who watched him play, it was a huge compliment. He has a rare ability to pick up a play that’s a little bit shredded and turn it into points for his team.

It seemed to me that D’Antoni knew exactly what he was doing with Marion, and took advantage of Marion’s unique talent to freelance himself into position for rebounds, put-backs and slashes.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 2, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Plenty of garbage men make

top dollar in the real world. Marion was making it in the NBA. I don’t see his complaints either. He was part of set plays, but what kind of set plays could any team run for Marion to receive the ball. He’s not particularly adept at creating a shot and he doesn’t draw any help defense to make him a better option than Amare or Nash.

by NBA Observer on May 2, 2008 12:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait, has D'Antoni been fired and is available?

Did I miss something here?

I think they have to try it if he can bring Phil Weber (yeah, it’s getting old, but what else is there to say?) and the philosophy of developing players over. Even if it falls to shit, hopefully they can develop one of Deng, Thomas and Noah into something special (and to a lesser extent Gordon and Thabo). If he can develop all of them, even better. If, in three years, the players (or one or two of them) develop but it seems obvious that the system won’t work, coach-search again.

Can the Bulls and Deng and Gordon start negotiating yet? I know they can’t sign until free-agency, but can they have discussions about it?

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on May 2, 2008 7:11 AM CDT   0 recs

He's not fired, and probably not going to be fired.

Marc Stein’s sources, though, seem to think he’s going to find his own way out.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 2, 2008 8:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

meeting's today

so i assume once it actually gets late enough in the west, we’ll hear something.

by Jaina on May 2, 2008 8:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

can somebody throw some stats up

of Deng Noc and Ty
rebounding, maybe per 48?

by Sko on May 2, 2008 7:52 AM CDT   0 recs

go to basketball-reference.com or nba.com or espn.com

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 2, 2008 8:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He can boost confidence, apparently

On Henry Abbott’s parting thank you note to D’Antoni yesterday, he mentioned that he and his staff were really good about building their player’s confidence. Something that might be useful for some of our guys who seem to have regressed mentally this year. It might be psycho-babble mumbo-jumbo, but it’d be nice to hear our coach actually praise TT or Noah or any of the “Mopey-Threesome” after a good game, and it might do them some good as well.
Although I’d guess not being jerked around in the lineup might have the same effect, but that means settling on a lineup, and who does that

by OldSkoolSloan on May 2, 2008 8:32 AM CDT   0 recs

D'Antoni or Thibodeux

Fine, we can take either?
But I can’t believe some still believe Karl the Retread could ever possibly coach the Bulls if he became available. Karl’s statement below sounds like its from a first year head coach on his first assignment! How long has Karl been a head coach in the NBA? how many teams?
Imagine Paxson as GM and this guy coaching the less talent, completely disjointed Bulls = diaster season worst than 33-49

DENVER (AP)—Another first-round flameout by the talented but disjointed Denver Nuggets has convinced coach George Karl he has to be tougher on his players next season.

“I think the players have kind of done it their way more often than doing it my way,” Karl said of the past two seasons.”

“two seasons” ?

by exult463 on May 2, 2008 9:03 AM CDT   0 recs

Look at the man's track record.

He was very successful in Seattle with a loaded team. He was successful in Milwaukee with a team that couldn’t play D. He’s done well in Denver despite numerous injuries to key players and total indifference to D from his 2 stars. His style fits better to this team than any other coach mentioned. His teams play a highly uptempo game while still playing above average to fantastic D (except Milwaukee). That’s exactly what this team as currently constructed needs. He could easily return these Bulls to the top of the Defensive Efficiency rankings. Yes, he’s had several personality conflicts with players and burned himself out at one point in his career. Still, he’s done well with every job he’s had since his first with Golden State. He’s not your typical retread, he actually has a winning track record.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 2, 2008 9:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought I heard yesterday

that karl had definitely re-upped with Denver.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 2, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's still under contract, so there was never a question of re-upping.

From what I read, there was some speculation that since Karl isn’t in perfect harmony with his players that he might be fired. The Nuggets owner is supposedly infatuated with Karl, though, and it seems to be a situation of Karl’s leaving Denver only if he wants to. I doubt he’s going anywhere.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 2, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Karls confirmed he'll be back

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_9110825

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 2, 2008 10:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmm

well, if it’s up to him.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 2, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm a big Karl fan

but I also recognize that he’s one of the more (the most?) polarizing coaches in the league.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 2, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm sure

his new ‘my way or the highway’ philosophy will go over great next year with A.I. and Melo

by NormVanBeer on May 2, 2008 11:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That will be fun to watch.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 2, 2008 11:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

snley

your comments above seem to follow Karl every where he goes. This guy can’t get along with the players, management or the owners after a few years and then he fizzes out and is ousted. Karl’s Denver, Bucks and Seattle teams never play defense because Karl doesn’t make it a priority. Seattle had individuals who played defense and also remember this was early Western Conference defense before the Spurs started playing real team defense tradition only in the Eastern conference.

The glove, Gary Payton was such a self-motivated great defensive player in his early years with Seattle, and the current Portland head coach played defense and hid the fact, yet later displayed afterwards, that Karl doesn’t ever emphasis defense. Karl really seems to just be a place holder coach to get a team from point a to point a, or maybe point a to point b, but never to point
c hampionship.

I believe some franchises in the NBA value a coach that can keep things stable without lots of regression as long as fans are attending games?

by exult463 on May 2, 2008 6:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Letter play

“from point a to point a, or maybe point a to point b, but never to point
c hampionship.”

How long did it take to craft that little ditty?

Not that I necessarily disagree regarding Karl.

by jpx7 on May 2, 2008 7:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You have to have good defensive players to have a good D

Exactly the same as you need good offensive players to have a good O. Karl’s Seattle and Denver teams all rated above average in Def Eff. Denver’s rated 11th and 10th in Def Eff the last 2 seasons with significant minutes from Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony. Someone must be stressing D to make up for those 2. It was only in Milwaukee and his first two jobs in Cleveland and Golden State that his teams didn’t play D. I can’t speak to those first two jobs and don’t see them as too relevant as both were 2 years or less and Karl was in his early to mid 30’s. In Milwaukee, he had Sam Cassell, Ray Allen, Glenn Robinson, and Tim Thomas playing significant roles. It’d be hard for JVG to even squeeze an average D out of those guys.

While I hate the way you put it, I’ll agree with you, not all coaches are equal. You can’t, though, completely dismiss a coach’s, or a player’s for that matter, track record simply because he hasn’t won a championship. It takes a lot of great talent, timing, and luck to win a championship. If David Robinson doesn’t get hurt and the Spurs don’t get Duncan, does anyone know who the hell Greg Popovich is? Karl has had a very good career and fits this team’s current personnel better than any other coach mentioned so far.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 3, 2008 9:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

These guys don't like him.

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1591615693050207712&postID=8100408887722056249

Although, my guess is that Milwaukee loves Skiles.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on May 2, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just heard on espn 1st Take

that “D’Antoni has expressed an interest in coaching the Chicago Bulls.”

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 2, 2008 10:06 AM CDT   0 recs

not much new info

but interesting nonetheless:

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on May 2, 2008 10:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

link?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=CoachingNotes-080501

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on May 2, 2008 10:13 AM CDT   0 recs

ew
Donnie Nelson will nonetheless be charged with assembling a virtually all-new bench, for starters, after the Mavs got such a limited contribution from a few free agents handpicked by Johnson (Eddie Jones, Devean George and Juwan Howard) and longtime Avery favorite Jerry Stackhouse.

How Skilesian.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 2, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The more I read

The more I hope Paxson doesn’t become enamored with the “little general.”

No coaching is going to be perfect, especially with the roster ambiguity surrounding the Bulls after their tremendous 2007-8 season; however, if the choice is between high-profile Western Conference coaches, D’Antoni seems to both (a) fit the current roster better and (b) employ a more mutable general coaching philosophy.

Sample sizes, of course, impinge upon any rigorous consideration of the two as prospective Chicago coaches; however, I’d rather have a coach who only plays 7-8 guys (especially with our team youth) rather than a coach who impels Paxson to sign the Devean Georges of the world.

by jpx7 on May 2, 2008 12:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Paxson loves

or has a passion for little guards? Skiles, Gordon, Duhon, Gordon, OnCurry, Andre the Giant and next the “little general”

by exult463 on May 2, 2008 6:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is it just me

or does it seem that Avery Johnson has a few too many of Scott Skiles’s negative qualities?

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 2, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not a few too many.

Many too many.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 2, 2008 12:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that Suns blog link made my head hurt

1. Terrible movie, Dusty Baker cameo aside.
2. Too much text on a coach. You have to hammer a guy 1 short paragraph at a time every day, and once he’s fired you continue to hammer him for things he might have done wrong.
3. I guess I don’t care about accountability.
4. ‘Little things’ and energy also light my internal flame of apathy.
5. I skimmed, don’t hold me to anything.

by hscs on May 2, 2008 11:46 AM CDT   0 recs

the 'prosecution' argument of accountability was pretty weak

I thought this counter-argument was 100% correct.

Given the raw materials on D’Antoni’s bench, benching Amare and/or Diaw would have been a laughable show, not a credible threat. Certainly they teach you military types that only credible, communicable threats count?
For example, when Scott Skiles had similar motivation problems with his players, he would bench the whole frickin lineup and play scrubs who weren’t half as good. The players learned nothing except that Skiles is an @$$4073, and within the season Skiles was out of a job. Sounds like you are in the hunt to bring Scott Skiles back to the valley. LOL.
That’s also the problem with guys like Avery Johnson – they push so hard all the time that players eventually tune them out. You want these players to die on the court in November? It’s funny, Pop benches players in November for the exact opposite reason.
Finally, consider the Zen Master. When Kobe was mailing in and sulking through games in the loser years, did Phil Jackson bench him as he should have in your estimation? No. Seek and ye may find the answer as to why.

Yes, there was actually the suggestion that D’Antoni should’ve benched Stoudamire and Diaw for low energy levels.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 2, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Tampering-type issues

I’m not sure if there is such a thing as having tampering issues with coaches, or whether it’s called something else. But exclusivity is definitely part of the picture here, per Marc Stein.

D’Antoni, though, might have to resign - with two years and $8.5 million left on his contract - just to officially speak with the Bulls. Kerr told the Suns’ flagship radio station (KTAR 620 AM) earlier this week that he would deny permission to any team wishing to interview D’Antoni.

This means that D’Antoni has to be more than slightly annoyed at the Suns to walk away and coach Chicago anytime soon. He has to be livid enough to walk away from almost $10 million.

And that means that the cheapie franchise built on defense first would have to start talking to him at $10M. When their roster is not even set yet.

And if the Bulls franchise actually did that, they would earn the dreaded “win-now” label, which can push otherwise reasonable GMs to make bad decisions (like signing Ben Wallace, or trading for Jason Kidd or Shaquille O’Neal).

Was this whole thing just a damn mirage!? The names of “imminent, almost Chicago Bulls” already read like a who’s who of the biggest difference-makers of the last few seasons (Bryant, KG, Gasol). Are now adding coaches to that list as well?

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 2, 2008 12:54 PM CDT   0 recs

i think i said this yesterday

http://www.blogabull.com/2008/4/30/470330/let-s-get-d-antoni#5610998...not actual figures, but the part about tampering and Kerr giving permission

by NormVanBeer on May 2, 2008 1:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The money

doesn’t seem so out of line? 4.2 per year? I believe D’Antoni market value might be near 20 mil/4 years or 15 million/3 years.

by exult463 on May 2, 2008 6:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes we can!

Avery Johnson - huge mistake.
George Karl - huge mistake.

Mike D’Antoni—c’mon guys! Live a little! How much more fun would it be to watch the Bulls run and gun! A whole new attitude! Optimism! Rebuilding our young teams’ confidence with magic D’Antoni juice! A somewhat regular rotation! Players understanding what’s expected of them! Did I mention the magic D’Antoni juice?

Yes we can. Yes we can hire D'Antoni. Yes we can.
Scoing 109 points/game is change we can believe in.

by preverbal on May 2, 2008 2:12 PM CDT   0 recs

let's try that picture again...

Oh well. you can see it here

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 2, 2008 2:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It would be fun to be a bulls fan again

and compete, that’s what I want. 29 teams don’t win the championship every year, but I want us consistently in the top 10-12 at least, if not higher, like these Suns have been. And remember, they did it one year without Amare.

by Sko on May 2, 2008 2:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair enough,

I’ll agree to put you in the acknowledgements when my comment gets published in hardbound if you’ll agree to not fight me on royalties. (But screw Marc Stein, he has enough fame and fortune!)

Deal? :)

But notice how Stein hedges his language, by saying D’Antoni might have to resign before Pax can talk to him? Do we know for a fact that Pax can’t talk to him until that point, when the great Marc Stein doesn’t even present it as fact?

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 2, 2008 2:14 PM CDT   0 recs

He did say that Kerr said he wouldn't allow another team to talk to D'Antoni

In other words, the Bulls are going to have to violate the NBA’s tampering rules or D’Antoni’s going to have to resign.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 2, 2008 4:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yes Stein is a TERRIBLE homer and no nothing

from what i can recall from my sports law class back in law school, the team needs “permission” from the coach’s team to make any sort of contact with him while he is under contract, or else it will be deemed tampering. but don’t quote me on that, because it is super confusing.

i think in 92 the Bucks sent the Lakers two second rounders for the rights to Mike Dunleavy.

by Orlando Woolridge on May 2, 2008 2:28 PM CDT   0 recs

Adande just took my question re: D'Antoni

rooster (oakland, ca): D’Antoni to the Bulls, right?

SportsNation J.A. Adande: (3:49 PM ET ) The only thing I wouldn’t like about that move is it would reward the players for bailing out on a tough coach like Skiles. But maybe they’re only suited for a guy like D’Antoni, who’s very player-friendly and has easy practices. I think we saw this team was mentally fragile. They might respond to the freedom under D’Antoni. But I don’t think that attitude would get them far in the playoffs

by Orlando Woolridge on May 2, 2008 2:51 PM CDT   0 recs

Wow, did he ever miss the boat on that one... !

Sure, it’s an off the cuff response, but what a horrible answer.

First of all, it’s not clear that the players bailed on Skiles; there’s some substantial writing out there implying that the reverse happened. And that’s not even approaching the question of whether Pax even put them in a position to succeed this season.

Second, the guy first in line as far as bailing was Ben Wallace, and he’s gone. What, are you going to tell me that Gooden, Hughes, Simmons, Brown and/or whoever else the Bulls pick up this preseason don’t deserve a great coach? Or that Noah doesn’t deserve a great coach? Or how about the franchise, or the fans? They don’t deserve a great coach because of some lame-ass karmic retribution for dropping from 8 games over .500 to 8 games under .500?

Who appointed Adande God’s deputy on earth to enforce a good attitudes among players who weren’t prepared to play hardball with their GM in contract negotiations?

And most importantly of all, where’s their karmic reward for having to put up with the worst coach in the fanchise’s history?

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 2, 2008 3:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs