Open Game Thread #75: Bulls at Cleveland Cavaliers
[Thanks to bullshooter for tonight's game preview, even though he's a pain in my ass in the comments section :) -Matt]
Top 10 Reasons to watch tonight's game:
- The youngsters. Noah, Sefolosha, and Blogabull favorite son Tyrus Thomas have seen their minutes go up as the Bulls have fallen farther out of the playoff race. The future is upon us.
- Ben Wallace. It always feels good to get the better end of a deal. As long as Larry Hughes is sitting on the bench, it's not even close.
- Be a Witness. Hey, LeBron is pretty good even if none of his teammates are...
- The end of an era. Small ball as interpreted and implemented by Skiles/Boylan is coming to an end. You may never get to see BG, Duhon and Hinrich on the court at the same time ever again (at least in the same uniform).
- An old school central division matchup. How many times do you think they will show Jordan over Ehlo? Can you ever get enough?
- EJ, Kenny and Charles. Maybe Chuckles will come up with something new about the Bulls other than "They're too small." He'll most likely say something mildy controversial and definitely politically incorrect.
- The game's on TNT. For those of you who are Bulls diehards and don't pirate game feeds, this is your one game per fortnight, and it's on at 6pm CDST [have no fear, it's at 7. -ed.], so you can catch the game and still do something else tonight. And how many times can you really watch Law & Order?
- The NBA: Where Mascot Mayhem happens. That guy should have walked up behind Posey and ...
- Did I mention the youngsters? You might even get a little Aaron Gray, if you can get just a little Aaron Gray...
- Who am I kidding, there haven't been 10 reasons to watch this team since late January. But if you are true Bulls fan like me, you'll start missing them as soon as the playoffs start. So even if they are playing for ping pong balls, sit back, have a beer and enjoy it while it's on...
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Ugh, 6PM?
No. NBA.com says 8PM EST, 7PM CST.
http://www.nba.com/games/20080403/scoreboard.html
TNT confirms.
http://www.tnt.tv/sports/
I was worried about doing 30 minutes of work from the bar(thanks WiFi), but 90 minutes would have been pushing it.
by NBA Observer on Apr 3, 2008 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I'll update that
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only reason for watching is to observe
Am I paranoid by thinking Boylan will be on the sidelines chomping at the bit to find any excuse to send TT to the back of the bench for the slightest of miscues? (i.e. 2 fouls, take an innoportune jump shot, fail to cover the perimeter, laughing at one of Duhon's jokes about the coaches)
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 3, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I am in EST
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look for Ben Gordon to be showcased off the bench
by hscs on Apr 3, 2008 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want us
by bull83 on Apr 3, 2008 5:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben Wallace
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 3, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bulls
by tyrus4prez on Apr 3, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshooter with a nice preview for the most part
by Illini15 on Apr 3, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
props graciously received.
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm looking forward
by tyrus4prez on Apr 3, 2008 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They just
by sue369 on Apr 3, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like he is playing
by Big D on Apr 3, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus showing Delonte who's boss
by Illini15 on Apr 3, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll never understand
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then there's Larry, who doesn't try to pass...
by wjb1492 on Apr 3, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes it doubly bad
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of funny that Kirk was hitting 90%+
by wjb1492 on Apr 3, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kirk
by Illini15 on Apr 3, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I daresay you aren't the only one,
by wjb1492 on Apr 3, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm noticing good things:
Ben Wallace has 4 points! Zomg. He's on FIRE. Too bad they're losing by 7.
by Prevenge on Apr 3, 2008 7:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bulls passing very well tonight
by Illini15 on Apr 3, 2008 7:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are kidding me?
by bull83 on Apr 3, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo should have shot that
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm so ready for the Noc era to be over
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Noc at the 4!!!!!!
by Illini15 on Apr 3, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gray
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nightmare stats night so far
by wjb1492 on Apr 3, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
even a blind squirrel
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG breaks up the 2 on 1
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
4/5ths of the way there
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
jump hook over Z
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bail out plays
boylan shoulda sub hughes in for kirk not gordon
and then gone with nocioni for deng.
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 8:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hughes looks great, don't he?
by bull83 on Apr 3, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now I know they're tanking
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
who's the short Millhouse looking guy
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TNT Announcers:
'You know, the Bulls were spacing the ball well and doing ball movement and all that, but from what we've heard, Boylan didn't want that - he wanted the team to go inside first, go inside and then kick out for a jump shot every possession.'
Well, that worked.
I'm ROTFL.
by Prevenge on Apr 3, 2008 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another painful half of basketball
- I'm not sure how you can justify playing Gray. A minute.
- If Hinrich is a point guard, he's among the NBA's worst. On multiple occasions Noah rolled to the basket and was open for a dunk, and recieved no pass. Goodbye, captain.
- Boylan's matchups are striving for new levels of absurdity. Hinrich guarding Szerbiak. Tyrus at the 5. Nocioni at the 4. Duhon on the court.
- Noah, Tyrus and Sefolosha continue to show promise.
- Sefolosha showed promise for 6 minutes. No shots, but he defended and passed well.
Go Bulls?
by Freethefro on Apr 3, 2008 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
could you give me a time stamp
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the two pick and rolls
by Freethefro on Apr 3, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when?
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was earlier in the game
by Freethefro on Apr 3, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um
by nobullishbasketball on Apr 3, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Um"
by Freethefro on Apr 3, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Hinrich's guarding of bigger players"
by Freethefro on Apr 3, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
I can hardly stand to look at how ugly he is, and the lazy way he plays and shoots....absolutely pathetic.
And I will be so glad when this horrible season is officially over.
And with the rep that Chicago has built around the league now, it's hard to imagine anything good happening in the near future with this team - short of a complete makeover.
Geez.
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
now now
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not in the least
That's a sharp-dressed man.
Now the shot selection, that be ugly.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His brothers funeral picture, real class Matt
You a little about hoops, for less about life.
You wouldn't give credit for a good game if you had to, but to post this is the worst I have ever seen by someone running a site.
by Homegrown on Apr 3, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Pull you off my site? Um...go yank yourself, man, nobody's stopping you.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dumbass
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that post in English?
by 1958ChiTown on Apr 3, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not a bad looking guy
by Illini15 on Apr 3, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that's kinda what I was referring to...
They have seem to have become prevelant in the NBA, and the more I see of 'em, the more I can't stand 'em.
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trib did an article about the tats
by piccolomair on Apr 3, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And listening to Chuck-steak Barkley on TNT
It seems the fatter he gets, the more stupid he becomes.
The idiot never even won a ring...how do they justify forcing his ignorant shit on TNT viewers?
Good grief....
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 8:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's true ...
by Prevenge on Apr 3, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you sound like a real blast to hang out with
by Illini15 on Apr 3, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually have a lot of fun
And it just magnifies everything bad....of which there is a great deal of this year.
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Larry just heard us talking about him
by Illini15 on Apr 3, 2008 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As pissed off as I am to see Ben Wallace
by wjb1492 on Apr 3, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I know we've all asked this
Thabo plays better ball....period.
Sorry guys....I'll try to stop venting. :-)
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 8:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
did LBJ
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHA
Deng was like, "what happened"?
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheap site, pull me off Matt
[new] His brothers funeral picture, real class Matt
Justin Hughes died of a heart transplant 10 years after at age 20. Nice of you to take a picture of a Larry Hughes, your Bulls player at his brothers funeral and take a dig at his clothes? How cheap of shot can you take? Little do you know that Larry actually while his mother worked two jobs actually took care of his brother medically while in grade and high school. But you, anything for your little website, no class (something you might learn from Hughes, whether he is 0-10 or making a 180K a game. Pull me off your site, don't wan't anything to do with it. You crossed the line in sportsmanship.
You a little about hoops, for less about life.
You wouldn't give credit for a good game if you had to, but to post this is the worst I have ever seen by someone running a site.
by Homegrown on Apr 3, 2008 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he complemented the suit
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone call a whambulance
by Orlando Woolridge on Apr 3, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. The dirty dealer meant no harm...
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
missing a golden opportunity...
by fundamentallysound on Apr 3, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the more I thought about it
Not much of a compliment, though...who is there? Hughes, Gordon, Thabo....
um, I'd better stop and leave it to the BaB Ladeez.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just a guy
And she thinks BG's kinda cute...
FWIW.
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
i kind of think tyrus, but he's real young looking (not that i'm that old).
by Jaina on Apr 3, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm. In the spirit of sharing too much...
by cranscape on Apr 3, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha it's all good
gordons not bad... and thabo. i think tyrus is the cutest bull... however i'd also say hughes. except in that picture they have on his profile on nba.com cause his eyes are kinda buggy.
by Jaina on Apr 3, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
answered you above
Good luck pulling yourself.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You suck
by NittanyBull on Apr 3, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy now
This did not happen. Relax. The photo is just something that came up probably in a google image search. There was no foul intention.
Stick around. Keep talking.
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did Fratello
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thabo!
by fundamentallysound on Apr 3, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thabo comes back in
Hmmm.....
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny how that works isn't it?
God, I can't wait until we hire a real coach.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 3, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait until we hire a real coach
But remember it was PAX who put him there, so that doesn't mean he's gonna fire him.
And if he DOES, it doesn't mean we'll get a REAL coach in place of Boylan...
We can only hope.
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thabo is playing really well
by fundamentallysound on Apr 3, 2008 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
blatantly obvious
gordon
sefolosha
deng
thomas
noah
if this group of 5 is supported by
duhon (non-shooter)
hughes or nocioni (scorer/defender)
gray (Low Post/Big)
with a good coach ... these bulls could be a very, very solid team.
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 9:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's now or never
by bull83 on Apr 3, 2008 9:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hughes did have a good third quarter
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We can only hope.
by sue369 on Apr 3, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
vs sefolosha
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hughes is playing with a chip on his shoulder
by Illini15 on Apr 3, 2008 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bulls seem to be on the losing end of that
by wjb1492 on Apr 3, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
by fundamentallysound on Apr 3, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if he had been
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Hughes
by bull83 on Apr 3, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twice in a row
DAMMIT!!!
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
92-95
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I stop watching, and apparently we're winning now?
Guess I have to be resigned to LeBron's 4th-quarter heroics so that we can pull out a win.
by Prevenge on Apr 3, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bulls are playing well...
by wjb1492 on Apr 3, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
right now
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hughes calls Noah out to set a screen
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Noah roll?
If so then Larry hughes should be traded for not hitting the open man....
by piccolomair on Apr 3, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the old hand-on-head
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
securing defensive rebounds
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kirk
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe tonight
by sue369 on Apr 3, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland's defense is attrocious
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is one of the....
by lexdiamonds0730 on Apr 3, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace
Missed at the RIM!!
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It brings a tear of joy, doesnt' it?
by wjb1492 on Apr 3, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing BW get rim whipped
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
rebounds
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
by bull83 on Apr 3, 2008 9:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
gordon needs to handle the ball
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HEY!
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
need a fucking point guard out there
by Orange Juice on Apr 3, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pull of Deng and put TT
by bull83 on Apr 3, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why would Boylan mess with
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just realized that Deng...
by lexdiamonds0730 on Apr 3, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's an awful call
by Illini15 on Apr 3, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh....OOOOPS!!
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
poor BG
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bullshooter
by Freethefro on Apr 3, 2008 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ok
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the problem
by Freethefro on Apr 3, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
I am not trying to be rude or anything, i dont know if you are on that same bandwagon that says hinrich sucks at all positions of the game. Though i would give you the fact that hinrich COULD miss a good pass (because he didnt see it) and isnt an all-star level pg, he is still a great guard and i think he runs plays the way coaches want them to be run.
In that light, if the next coach wants plays that have noah finishing on rolls, i would imagine hinrich would find ways to get the ball to noah on a roll. I was just wondering if you thought that it was possible, or if you were set that hinrich would never be able to play point ever...much like khandor and a few others...
by piccolomair on Apr 3, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think you were being rude
I don't think Kirk has elite vision ala Kidd, CP3 and DWilliams, but he's certainly not wearing blinders out there. Nobody on this team is playing to their ability. Hopefully we'll see that next year - assuming a new coach and the use of, say, videotape!
by Freethefro on Apr 4, 2008 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea. u still gotta realize
by Yibs on Apr 4, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one other thing
by bullshooter on Apr 4, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo has not reached
He's turned over the ball more than everyone significant except for Noah and Gray. If you count Gray as significant.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how you can say that about Aaron
by wjb1492 on Apr 4, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not that I don't love ripping on Boylan
Didn't he say something like "Aaron could be someone you see...being a productive big man" or something like that.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well looking back
I don't remember if I read another version of the quote or heard the audio, but I remember that 'see' having more attached to it.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And BG throws up a brick
pffffffttt....
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 9:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
for defense
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
But it's Boylan-ball.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was a better 'play' than most
Better than Gordon standing for twelve seconds and then trying to beat a double-team.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If we want to win
by bull83 on Apr 3, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
trap, trap, trap
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow...
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
noah
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yup
And then smart play by Gordon just holding onto it knowing he's the best FT shooter.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOAH IS THE MAN
by bull83 on Apr 3, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, the Cavs really suck
by Big D on Apr 3, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate cleveland fans
All they no how to do is boo opposing players.
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that block by Noah
by fundamentallysound on Apr 3, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
YEEESSSS!!!
by bull83 on Apr 3, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by RogersPark Kris on Apr 3, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean Chuck-steak Broccoli
by Bluelou on Apr 3, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yesssss .... noah
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now if the bulls can just find a way
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice finish there
by Freethefro on Apr 3, 2008 9:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What happened with the dunk Wallace
by NittanyBull on Apr 3, 2008 9:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He was wide open
Sigh.
by Freethefro on Apr 3, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had no lift
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh that was priceless
by Conor on Apr 4, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that was a game
by Yibs on Apr 3, 2008 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll have
by sue369 on Apr 3, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 assists in a short time
by piccolomair on Apr 3, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hot damn.
by cranscape on Apr 3, 2008 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hot damn - me too!
by chgobr on Apr 3, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the coach
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Larry Hughes could play the Cavs
by danger mouse on Apr 3, 2008 9:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no hinrich, please
gordon
sefolosha
deng
thomas
noah
-------------
duhon (defender/rebounder/non-shooter)
hughes
nocioni
gray (low post Big)
there's no reason for the bulls to miss the playoffs for the next 10 years
... as long as they get rid of kirk hinrich
and boylan.
by khandor on Apr 3, 2008 9:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I understand your theory
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon played a really good game!
I guess it works sometimes?
Those free throws were clutch though.
I loved the block too.
If only we'd won by 1, just so the missed dunk could be the highlight of the game ... and the margin between winning and losing.
by Prevenge on Apr 3, 2008 9:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Corpse, blocked and his annoying inbound def.
by armstrong2389 on Apr 3, 2008 9:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thabo had another
by sue369 on Apr 3, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
His emergence
by cubbybear on Apr 4, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus had a so so game
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saving him for OT.
by tyger1147 on Apr 4, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either Thabo has been taught very well
Pippen's NBA offense took some time, but his defense was ready from day one. He capitalized on this strength by allowing it to boost his confidence. This eventually rubbed off on his offensive game elevating him into the elite player category in the NBA.
I'd really like to have Pippen around the Bulls organization. He's too intelligent as a basketball mind to let him wander in the world of media.
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this season has been awful, but
maybe bringing in pip to help with thabo and deng wouldnt be such a bad idea.
by Conor on Apr 4, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players Pippen could really help
Pippen knows defense. He's top ten best ball and help defender of all time.
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
coaching by osmosis
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
If not, you know, a decent coach who isn't afraid of game film could put together some Pip clips and . . . gee, that might work too.
by preverbal on Apr 4, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"not totally crazy to surmise..."
I don't remember any great Pippen teaching stories when he was brought in to be the old sage a couple years ago.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Saying
Those who cant, Teach...
if you want to really put in perspective, think back to Jordan was he was sort of coaching the wizards.....or when he saw "talent" in kwame brown...
Pippen was a great defender beceause he was long, athletic, and competetive, the things that just cant be taught.
by piccolomair on Apr 4, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No its not
And I know you weren't a Bulls fan when the team was good, but Pippen was consistently given props throughout his career as being an exceptionally smart player. Not just an exceptionally instinctive player.
by preverbal on Apr 4, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KINDA
Maybe Thabo studies better using film or on his own. Maybe he wouldn't do well being "instructed" by Pip. Who knows? Then again he could turn out to be an uber-sponge and just soak it all in and be all NBA 1st defensive team next year. Nobody knows.
But the "because they have similar bodies" or "they use their arms the same" arguments both lack
by NormVanBeer on Apr 4, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me
by cranscape on Apr 4, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fun game
thabo was great on defense.
and i don't hate hughes - i know i'm in the minority there. as long as he's used correctly... he can be useful in a limited way. if he's going the way he was playing tonight - play him. if he's going 0-6 like against the celtics, bench him. that's okay. but i'll admit it was fun watching him torch the cavs. i hate them.
go bulls!!
by Jaina on Apr 3, 2008 10:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, um, Hughes still needs
by 1958ChiTown on Apr 3, 2008 10:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No no
by piccolomair on Apr 3, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Boyan get ejected in 1st half?
by NY Chicago Fan on Apr 4, 2008 6:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AWESOME
by AFireInside661 on Apr 4, 2008 6:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really dislike players that elevate their game
I'm glad Hughes finished strong. He really needed to. He was a -11 in the first half even though he was 3-6 from the field. His four first half turnovers were killers. 8 of 10 second half field goals carried him all the way back to a +2 for the game.
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LEBRON
it's like.. thanks.
well on the front page it says "Former Cavalier Hughes Nears Triple Stack as Bulls Rally in Cleveland" but when you click on it the title is above.
like seriously.
by Jaina on Apr 4, 2008 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh and
it has nothing to do with the excellent defense that thabo played on him, or anything.
by Jaina on Apr 4, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm cool with this
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suns or Raptors
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd be a decent replacement
I think I was up for the Thabo/Duhon for Bell trade earlier in the season, which wouldn't have been a catastrophe or anything, but not a great deal either.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't part of my master fleecing plan
Heh. I thought my offer was good. ;)
Thabo shows me too much promise to just deal him for a veteran like Bell. I'm curious as to how the relationship between Noah and Thabo develops in this Summer. They talk to each other in French off the court, but they could use it on the court as well although I could see how this would be an issue with other teammates. I wonder if Noc knows French too.
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe Noc knows Canadian
Thabo has a real good chance to be the next Ime Udoka :-p
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do you want in return?
How about Anthony Parker? They'd probably try to trade us Bargnani and change for Noc.
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are u
If so ... then that's downright comical.
by khandor on Apr 4, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I agree
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just about every club in the NBA wanted Noc
The Celtics and Raptors were both scouting Noc at the Olympics.
Noc is better than Bargani, but he's not better to the tune of an additional 4 million per.
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's your point?
You may turn out right that Bargnani will never be as good as Nocioni (and people think the Bulls busted out with Thomas, jeez), but he'll be 23 next year and is 7 feet tall, so rightfully or not he has way more value. That and the market imperfection that 'justifying a #1 pick' can bring.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't make this argument
I just said Nocioni is better. He is. But this is the present. I'm not going to argue that Nocioni will be better than Bargnani over the length of their respective careers.
The two of us have squabbled over Nocioni more than any other player. We see him through different lenses. I'm nowhere close to the "dump Nocioni's contract" territory, but I am not opposed to trading him.
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point of argument
I think Noc would be OK as a Raptor, because they're desperate for any upgrade at SF, and they clearly like 3-point shooters. Unfortunately they also need a wing stopper (that's bigger/better than Parker), which Noc ain't.
Trade them a tandem-SF-special package of Noc/Thabo for...I dunno. Calderon would be nice but not likely, and I can't see acquiring TJ Ford unless Hinrich/Gordon/Hughes were on their way somewhere else...not to mention that getting TJ Ford means the need for a bigger 2-guard is even more of a need than if they just kept Hinrich.
If one was to think on a smaller scale, Kapono has a more cap-friendly deal than Noc, and he'd be like Nocioni except coaches wouldn't drool over the chance to play him over someone better, especially at the 4. I'm not sure who has to throw in what in that instance, because Noc is technically better.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way jose
No way.
by khandor on Apr 4, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how you still respond to bullshooter.
by tyger1147 on Apr 4, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh tygger
by bullshooter on Apr 4, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshooter, may I attempt a translation here?
But I understand. Even some, well, at least one pre-eminent world leader suffers from a similar affliction.
by alec on Apr 4, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh self-absorbed you two are.
by tyger1147 on Apr 4, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting pretty sick of it
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so.
by tyger1147 on Apr 4, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be asking for executions
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt, Tyger, and everyone
Matt, you have a great site, and even though I'm not as hardcore knowledgeable about basketball as many others here, I still would like to be considered a net positive.
Again, my apologies to all.
by alec on Apr 4, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice game
Also, towards the end of the game Fratello made some comment like "the Bulls didn't play last night and Cleveland did, so maybe fatigue is setting in..." OK, maybe a little truth to that. But I find it funny that nobody mentioned "fatigue" or Lebron's "ailing" back when he scored 32 thru 3 quarters.
I mean I know the team sucks and isn't going to the post-season, but come on, can't they have a legitimate win?
by NormVanBeer on Apr 4, 2008 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Beating a one man show like Cleveland
by bullshooter on Apr 4, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes sense
When the Cavs were beating their brains in by 17 they were already in the "Bahamas". But when the team played good and came back to win, it's oh the Cavs are "ailing". Just seems like a back-handed comment to me.
by NormVanBeer on Apr 4, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a back handed comment
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really kind of surprised by the reaction
by bullshooter on Apr 4, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should've been in there at the end
this is different than when he gets 7 minutes and never comes back, a time period in which only you and Jim Boylan have the capability of knowing that he just 'didn't have it' that night.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in that scenario
by bullshooter on Apr 4, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
somehow I don't think it's working
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the spirit!
by bullshooter on Apr 4, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed the 2nd half
I wasn't too pleased with Tyrus' first half performance. He did some good things and about an equal number of bad things. One really bad thing was a 2nd quarter play where Hughes drove and lobbed it to Tyrus. I don't think Tyrus was expecting the pass(not playing enough together) but rather was expecting Hughes to shoot and Tyrus would be there for any put back slam.
It was a play that Kirk, Thabo, and Duhon lob to Tyrus all the time, but Hughes and Thomas just don't have that feel for eachother yet. Anyway, after the mistimed lob, Tyrus just sat there looking around. I thought maybe he got hit in the face and thought he'd get a call, but he literally just stopped and the Cavs were fast breaking the other way. I think BG just fouled West or Lebron to make them earn the 2 at the line.
Tyrus also came over for some help D when Big Z made a move to get past Noah or Gray(I forget who was in at the time). Tyrus jumped before Big Z was even trying to shoot. Z just slipped a pass over to another Cav for an easy layup. Tyrus needs to keep his feet planted on help d in the paint and he needs to extend his arms and hands when he's sliding over on the help to decrease the size of the drop off passing lane for the penetrating opponent. These are plays that should be part of individual player film study.
I need to get in touch with some contacts at Columbia College to see if they have any grads working for the Bulls in a multimedia capacity. I'd love to get some off the record details or even maybe have a chat session with any of the Bulls multimedia personnel.
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't need film study
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey NBAO
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the summer project
Essentially, I just want an entire Bulls broadcast then cut it up for each player, specific 5 man units, good things, bad things, etc.
Nuggets fans still don't get it. JR Smith doesn't need to be scouted for his offense. He can't play a lick of defense.
by NBA Observer on Apr 5, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good luck with that copyright thing
by hscs on Apr 5, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with u on that one
by Yibs on Apr 4, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess
I don't know...I guess I just see it different. It wasn't like the Cavs were tanking last night and just didn't care. They were really trying to win.
by NormVanBeer on Apr 4, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gameflow contradicts
It wasn't just on Wallace. When Cleveland pulled Big Z and then Big Ben the Bulls went on their run.
I only watched the first half so I missed this sequence. I would like to see gameflow that includes fast break and transition buckets incorporated. That would help show us if a particular 5 man unit is just getting out hustled on both ends.
by NBA Observer on Apr 4, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree...
Just my opinion.
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 4, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i taking a wild guess
by Yibs on Apr 4, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i really need to catalog these things
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O where art thou JoeJoe?...
by Goostafer on Apr 4, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's around
In fact, that site is more the correct speed for some of the BaB Little Achievers.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 4, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would disagree with BullishPNW
by bullshooter on Apr 4, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look
Gordon is a good scorer who can play PG, and at his size is best suited for this position in the NBA.
Duhon is a mediocre basketball player who can play PG and, as a non-shooter who can defend & rebound his position, seems to be the kind of inexpensive player that's well-suited for a back-up role long term in the NBA.
Therefore what makes the most sense for the Bulls, long term, is to trade Hinrich for another player that would be more useful for Chicago and use Gordon (Starter), Duhon (Back-up) and Sefolosha (Reserve) as the PG's for this team.
If the Bulls go with Wing players like Sefolosha, Deng, Nocioni and Hughes, all of whom have good size, are relatively good athletes and do a decent-excellent job defensively/rebounding ... plus, Bigs like Thomas & Noah, who are long and athletic ... there is no sound reason that Ben Gordon's weakness on defense cannot be hidden effectively.
by khandor on Apr 4, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes alot of sense
As a basketball fan in general though, i may be turned off by that guard set up, not to say it wont be successful, im sure it will...however i can see alot of "me shoot first" going on with ben gordon running point. But who knows how things will go...
I am fine with this reasoning of yours, it is far better then just making fun of hinrich and labeling him something like "worst guard in the league" when i really dont think its true.
I know alot of people like saying pax picked the worst players for this team, i dont think thats true however. I think all of our players (chosen in the draft) are really really good players, except they just didnt mesh well enough together.
I think hinrich is a good guard if he was next to a great guard. If all he had to do was commit to sg, i think he could be a great 3pt shooter, if all he had to do was play point i think he could be a smart balll handler. However he was jerked around positions and was paired with either duhon or gordon, in which case HE had to make up for thier shortcomings, and thus while gordon could just shoot, and duhon could play point, hinrich has to do that which they cant do (with gordon, guard big guards and run the offense, with duhon take up the bulk of the scoring load) this is also why i think he was so bad this year, no thanx to boylan screwing the lineups even more.
I like ben gordon, he is everything id want in a 2 guard, except he lacks height, which will always be a problem with him. Putting him at pg would be a role by name, but i wouldnt think he is a playmaker, he is more of a shoot first guard who can cause defenses to collapse, and what i like about him is that he is not a selfish egotistical player, he will pass if he needs to...whether he can refrain from falling down is another thing. He wants to take the big shot, but i really doubt that he will be successful as a last second shot hitter, he hit the msg one, but hes failed far too many times.
Larry Hughes is horrible, and were stuck with him. He is better then ben wallace without doubts, but his mentality is wayward, i see alot of potential with him that he will never want to tap, i see bad shots for his career, i see him and ben fighting over who should play point and who should shoot. If you are a ben gordon fan, surely you must see this too...
Thabo is a great asset. He can play alongside of ben gordon and kirk hinrich about the same, and as years go by excel in his role as a tall guard who can defend, slash, rebound, and hit the open three, or make a quick play. He is unselfish, and makes up for the shortcomings of both hinrich and gordon.
Ill say it over and over again, duhon is a great backup pg. He defends, he passes, and if we are lucky, he can hit 3s. He is always ready and coaches love him. But he should never start, or be a sixth man...just a backup.
I know i sort of went on a rant, but to summarize, i agree with your post of getting rid of hinrich for a player we need, i dont agree with hinrich bashing, or gordon bashing, only hughes bashing...i think all of our guards are good, if they are put in thier respectful places (hughes and duhon on the bench, thabo as either a starter or a sixth man, hinrich ONLY playing one position) and finally as a fan of hinrich, i would want him to stay with the bulls, although this means nothing to anyone but me.
sorry again for the long reply...ill keep them shorter if you want next time..
by piccolomair on Apr 5, 2008 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there have been championship teams in the nba
there are many different ways to cope with this deficiency as long as the PG in question also has solid size, which is something that BG has (as long as he is playing 1, not 2 ... cause he is under-sized as a 2).
if the Bulls are going to keep Gordon then they MUST play him as a PG ... and, at his size & with his skill set, it is better that he's works as a starter (beside a solid defender, like Sefolosha, would be ideal) instead of coming off the bench.
if chicago can peddle Hughes & Hinrich (either, separately or together) ... think of what they might get back in return ... and how this might help to fill out the rest of their team.
personally, I think Drew Gooden stinks and would also be a body to move if Paxson wants to build a championship team in chicago
Noah (starter), Thomas (starter), Sefolosha (starter), Nocioni (starter), Gordon (starter), Deng (scorer off the bench), Gray (reserve Big) & Duhon (reserve Guard) are keepers ... and Hinrich, Hughes & Gooden are movable parts to help the Bulls obtain the other 2 solid parts they need to go with those first 8 players.
(for example,
1. Would the Clippers be willing to trade Al Thornton & Josh Powell, plus extras, for some combination of Hinrich, Hughes & Gooden?
and,
2. Will Cole Aldrich (Kansas, C) be available when the Bulls get to their pick in the 2008 NBA Draft?
Or, how about Danny Green (UNC, G/F)?)
by khandor on Apr 6, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the same sense
Take memphis, who are loaded with guards, wouldnt they be better off with a great shooter, rather then a guard who cant give them anything more then what Conley could?
Or The Wizards, why not get rid of an expensive guard (who is sort of a ball hog and can be full of himself) for a similar shooter but cheaper and less likely to be a jerk.
Hinrich has the higher value, but if you are considering trading him in a package, gordon would make packages look alot nicer....
by piccolomair on Apr 6, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
nba GM's do not consider BG as a shooter.
peja s (hornets) is a shooter.
reggie miller was a shooter.
ray allen is a shooter.
these guys are at least 6-5.
despite what some on this site might think about him, as a basketball, ben gordon is NOT a 'shooter', by nba standards, who other GM's would like to trade for.
ben gordon is a decent-sized PG who can shoot/score the ball and who should have already been given the opportunity to play and learn this position in the nba ... by getting major minutes for the team he's on. ben gordon is not (and has never been) a selfish player. he can and will share the ball ... but what he NEEDS to have happen, at this level, in order to succeed is a 'running mate' at the other guard spot who is 6-6/6-7 and a markedly better defender/rebounder than gordon is himself ... e.g. like Thabo Sefolosha. Then, when you put another decent-sized F on the other Wing, to go with Ben & Thabo ... e.g. like either Deng or Nocioni ... you've got yourself the makings of a potent & multi-dimensional 1/2/3 combination that matches-up nicely with the vast majority of elite teams in the nba ... especially if you also put Thomas & Noah beside them, supported by a Big Body like Aaron Gray.
kirk hinrich, on the other, is a decent-sized combo guard who other GM's in the nba might like to trade for, despite the fact that he doesn't shoot the ball well enough (high %) to punish opponents for sagging off of him to double-team other players (which is a critical aspect of what a good PG needs to be able to do in the modern game, with the 3pt line).
by khandor on Apr 6, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
size has nothing to do with being a shooter
by bullshooter on Apr 6, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Ben gordon is a shooter...to say he is not is almost...idiotic...
by piccolomair on Apr 6, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
a shooter is some who can be run off screens and can 'catch & shoot' a high % of his shots WITHOUT needing to take a dribble to find his rhthym.
a player who is ben gordon's size and needs to take dribbles before shooting his shot ... is a Point Guard who can shoot the ball.
from the old seattle supersonic teams the best examples I can think of are freddie 'downtown' brown (who was an under-sized 'shooter') and gus williams (who was a short PG who could shoot the ball, like ben gordon).
steve kerr was a mediocre PG with good size who could catch & shoot; he was not a shooter.
craig hodges was a bad PG who could catch & shoot; he was not a shooter.
vinnie (the 'microwave') johnson was an under-sized shooter; he was not a PG.
I know these distinctions are subtle and some might have difficulty understanding them but it doesn't mean that they are not also accurate.
ben gordon is a mediocre PG who can shoot the ball off the bounce ... which makes him quite unique and a more serviceable player than a one-dimensional player like either steve kerr or craig hodges.
by khandor on Apr 6, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you got it backwards
by bullshooter on Apr 7, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
how about Brian Shaw?
how about John Paxson?
Ben Gordon is Point Guard, alright, given his height and his skill set, in the NBA.
He's even the kind of PG some teams in the past have been able to win an NBA championship with ... e.g. Seattle with Gus Williams, and the LA Lakers with Gail Goodrich come to mind first ... if they have the right personnel around them and the right coach who knows what he's doing with this sort of 1st-class NBA talent.
by khandor on Apr 7, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we agree
And did they build the Laker's around Gail Goodrich, or Jerry West?...
by bullshooter on Apr 7, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhh
Ben gordon is a shooting guard, he is not a point guard. the position of point initiates the offense, not finishes it. Ben gordon IS good at running through screens and getting a shot off, he likes shooting off the dribble to get into rythym, but he can run off of screens just as well...its what always amazed me about him, that running of the screen ability ( http://www.blogabull.com/comments/2007/10/24/19458/950/32#32 )Alot of the guys you mentioned who were shooters or what not, were they perhaps playing next to an elite guard, or Jordan or Scottie, or some other great hall of famer?
It seems to me Gordons only worth comes in his scoring, and his scoring is tremendous and because this season it was not, his worth fell. I think gordon can shoot from anywhere in the half court, he can get hot starting at the begining of the game or starting 20 minutes into the game. I think if he puts the ball down then he is at his best when putting it down so that he can drive to the rim or gain distance away from his defender to score. Aside from size, gordon has NONE of the traits needed to be a point guard.
I can agree with getting rid of kirk hinrich in exchange for a player we need, i can agree with hinrich not being a great pg, i can agree that gordons scoring in the end is alot more important then Hinrich's Defense ( a good offense will always beat a good defense), hell i can agree with gordon playing the point for a time, (and just cuz i CAN agree with these things, doesnt mean i do or will) however i can NEVER agree with your point that ben gordon is MORE suited to play point guard. If such were true, then all those draft reports that said he was an undersized 2 guard would never have called him a 2 guard. He is a shooting guard, he scores, and due to his height, the best way for him to score is to shoot the ball, hence...HE IS A SHOOTER!!!!!!!!!
Really i wish Matt would jump into this conversation, just because he is also a big fan of ben gordon, yet at the same time he probably would act more like a neutral party. or HSCS if not Matt...
by piccolomair on Apr 7, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've said my piece in this thread, so
I will not succeed in changing your perception ... But it doesn't mean that I am wrong.
by khandor on Apr 7, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem with that thinking
by bullshooter on Apr 5, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that BG should be the terminal point
by shoryuken on Apr 5, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I'm a Ben guy, but damn this was off.
by NormVanBeer on Apr 5, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
constantly playing
I actually think that Hinrich, Gordon, and Thabo would work well together, perhaps with serviceable point guard (not Hughes or Duhon). Thabo has improved enough that I think he should get a lot of minutes and take chunk of the time against the larger guards. Gordon can focus on shooting. Hinrich can perhaps free his game up a bit if doesn't have to go against size every night. Defensively use Hinrich/Thabo. Offensively use either Thabo/Gordon or Hinrich/Gordon. And if we had another guard to throw in there 10-15 a night we wouldn't be too bad off. Too bad we have Hughes and Duhon clogging that up. Hughes wants too much playing and won't settling on those 10-15 min and Duhon matched with Gordon is way too small while matched with Hinrich means no offensive productivity.
by cranscape on Apr 5, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize not everyone here
"Full marks for the Bulls' going into Cleveland and coming back to whip the Cavaliers, but that's execution. That's Hughes making big shots, Ben Gordon hitting clutch free throws, Thabo Sefolosha and Joakim Noah separating LeBron from James in the fourth quarter."
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2008/04/drinks-all-arou.html
by alec on Apr 4, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i was at the game....
by bullzfan148 on Apr 4, 2008 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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