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Two questions for Bulls beat reporters to track down

  1. What's the story on the money the Bulls still owe Scott Skiles? Last I read was from KC Johnson:
    The Bucks made their offer tough to beat, fully guaranteeing $18 million to Skiles, who is still owed $6 million from the Bulls.

    Is that really true? Not only can Skiles be paid by two teams, but the money doesn't even offset? Sounds unlikely.
    Not that there's a salary cap for coaches, but it's not unreasonable to assume a budget (and I can't fault chairman Reinsdorf much on that) not only for the head coach but hopefully a whole new load of assistant coaches as well. So the amount of funds potentially available is a pretty important detail.

    Not to mention that the idea of owed money doesn't jive with the rumor that Skiles quit.
     
  2. Any updates on Noah's shoulder? That was a pretty big story going into the season, that Noah would essentially be playing with a bad wing all season, opting not to do surgery. Then it was never mentioned again. Will it need surgery now, or was it magically healed? How will it affect his offseason workouts? You'd think upper-body development would be a priority.

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Question 3:

What was Paxson doing the past 5 months? He really has no idea what coach he wants to hire?

by Big D on Apr 28, 2008 11:52 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let me know when KC gets his next big scoop other than one at Baskin-Robbins.

Even than it would probably be no-fat, sugarless vanilla or something really exciting, like kiwi sherbet.

Without any inside information whatsoever, my gut tells me that a shrewd and tight fisted businessman like Jerry Riensdorf would never allow a contract be offered to a coach that would entitle him to receive his full salary if he goes to another team while being paid by the Bulls. Has double dipping ever happened before to any team?

With the ferocity and intenstity Noah demonstrated attacking the boards this season, I think it would be safe to assume his shoulder has pretty much healed. About the only times he would be grimacing were on those occassions where he would twist his ankle or when he was looking at one of Boylan’s brainiac moves while sitting on the bench watching another game head into the toilet. Yeah, Jim that was a great move putting Duhon on Yao Ming in your 4 guard pressure lineup.

I think Paxson has been planning to replace the interim idiot ever since he was likely forced to hire him by Reinsdork who did not want to pay 2 head coaching salaries in the same season. Paxson is too knowledgeable a basketball mind not too see the emporer not only had no clothes, he had no cahoonies either, but was powerless to act and thus look like a dimwitted fool to many of the fans because of his inaction.

by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 29, 2008 2:11 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Noah

One of the things I really like about Joakim Noah is that he’s not brittle. Unlike some of those prima donnas who look for an excuse not to go into battle. As Pax said on draft night when he was questioned about the pick, “He brings it every night.”
Noah played with an injured shoulder through the Florida Gators 2007 championship season and never complained. That’s what you call character, and he has plenty of it. He’s going to prepare like crazy for next season. He comes from a championship athletic family, his grandfather being a soccer star in France, his grandmother captain of the French women’s basketball team and his father a tennis hero in France. They will make sure he enters the 2009 season supremely prepared.

by SlamDunk on Apr 29, 2008 1:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tyrusmancrush

can’t buy your excuses for Pax!

by exult463 on Apr 29, 2008 2:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking of dimwitted fools, it's spelled emperor not emporer.

OK, I admit I spelled the word wrong, but will NEVER admit I was ever wrong about my appraisal of Jim Boylan. I have to go to confession and make amends for all the nasty things I said and wrote about him now that he is gone. After all, most people suffering severe cognitive damage are not to blame for their condition and many are not even aware they have it since so many hold managerial positions in both the corporate and government worlds.

by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 29, 2008 2:27 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe you should take a break

on the whole bashing thing…

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on Apr 29, 2008 8:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so are we suggesting

that KC and Hanley read this site? (it would do them some good)

by NormVanBeer on Apr 29, 2008 8:35 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nah

just implying that they could do a better job.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2008 8:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Similar to how

no one seemed to ask the uber-obvious question of why there was no significant playing time for Thomas down the stretch.

Or why Kirk wasn’t pulled when he was having his awful early-season games.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Apr 29, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry--what I'm getting at is,

the reporters weren’t getting answers to these questions, either. I remember quite a few posts on here where we were wondering why Tyrus Thomas wasn’t playing. It was only much, much later that we were able to piece together (and from speculative articles based on anonymous sources) that Tyrus Thomas’ rotten attitude was the reason.

With Kirk, he had some truly putrid games in the first half of the season, yet he was never pulled. I could be wrong, but I don’t recall reporters/beat writers/columnists addressing the obvious question of why he wasn’t pulled.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Apr 29, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

each and every single one of them had putrid games

so the answer might have been that you can’t pull them all, or maybe Kirk’s bad games weren’t entirely due to his own performance.

They never talked about Ben Wallace being a walking stiff either, IIRC. Or Deng’s 4th quarter disappearances, or Duhon’s night life, except when he showed up late, or Noah showing up late a lot until he was suspended.

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on Apr 29, 2008 12:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe a lot of things--that's my point

exactly.

Because the press was not asking the questions that it should have been asking all this time, we’re left with a lot of maybes regarding the extended play of Kirk through really bad stretches (the worst of his career) or the extended benching of Thomas when veteran bigs were traded with the stated purpose of getting him on the floor.

Most of the other issues were actually covered, though. Wallace’s decline was discussed pretty openly by the Tribune (Sam Smith), as were Duhon’s night life and Noah’s tardiness. Deng’s failure to take “the next step” was discussed as well.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Apr 29, 2008 1:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think it was an issue

that deserved much coverage…

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on Apr 29, 2008 2:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you remember

when Kirk was playing his worst we still hadn’t yet “discovered” Thabo who was curled up at the end of the bench with the shakes because Skiles had his confidence in a vice or something. If we benched Kirk, no matter how bad he was, we would have been playing Duhon and Gordon together. Which didn’t seem like a good idea either, especially with Gordon hurt early on.

With Thabo back in good form we would have more options. Between Kirk/Gordon/Thobo we would have at least one good player with defense/offense/size. :D

by cranscape on Apr 29, 2008 7:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry, ignore that

I really don’t want to rehash any of that…

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on Apr 29, 2008 12:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seems like the Skiles quit thing

was more of a mutual breakup. Wasn’t there a story about Pax yelling at Skiles shortly before the resig-firing?

by hscs on Apr 29, 2008 9:13 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He won't be paid by the bulls

if the Bucks are paying him. Never works that way – the Bulls could block his hire if they were still paying him. Brandon Malone (one of the coaching Malones) started doing work for the Sonics after being fired from the Cavs and the Cavs put a stop to it because they were still paying him. I think it was part time work for the Sonics or something, but you can’t be paid by two teams at one time.

by KT on Apr 29, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe they bought out Skiles

and already gave him the money.

So while he’s technically not being paid at the same time by both teams, the Bulls have already budgeted some money this year for ‘coaching’.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 29, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wasn't there a similar tiff between

Don Nelson and Mark Cuban due to the fact that Nelson went and coached the Warriors after “retiring” from coaching the Mavs? Nelson was suing Cuban for millions, as I recall.

Anyone have any info on this? If not, I’ll have to um… do my own research… If so, I’ll share what I find. :|

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Apr 29, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

from what I remember

Nelson took deferred money from Cuban, and that’s what Cuban was refusing to pay. Don’t know where the lawsuit sits, but it seemed to me that it was money Nelson was going to get. The deferral of money wasn’t related to Nelson’s leaving but money deferred from seasons he actually coached.

by KT on Apr 29, 2008 12:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True. Here's a rundown:

The acrimony worsened after the team lost the series to San Antonio. Cuban, in negotiations to extend Mr. Nelson’s contract in the summer of 2003, offered the coach what Nelson regarded as a pay cut, say people who were privy to the negotiations according to the Wall Street Journal report. As with today, their contract dispute centered on millions of dollars of compensation that Nelson had agreed to defer back in the Perot years—money Mr. Cuban wanted to slash.

With Nelson openly threatening to quit coaching, they reached a last-minute compromise: Nelson got a three-year contract extension as the Mavericks’ coach and general manager - at $5.1 million a year - but no pay raise, despite the team’s success.

“Nellie went ahead and signed that contract but the trust was broken,” says a close friend who helped broker the deal.


At the end of the 2004 season Steve Nash a player cut in the mold of Nelson left the Mavericks signing a free agent contract with the Phoenix Suns. Nelson had had enough of Cuban, Nash’s back-to-back MVP’s proved who was right when it came to how valuable a basketball player Steve Nash would become and was ready to leave.

As the WSJ reported in March of 2005, Mr. Nelson, moping and depressed, relinquished his coaching job to Mr. Johnson, whom he had been grooming as his assistant. Mr. Cuban agreed to keep paying Mr. Nelson, now a Dallas hero, through the end of his contract in June of 2006.

“By then, neither one of those guys could stand to be in the same room,” says Frank Zaccanelli, a Dallas real-estate developer who was a minority partner and president of the Mavericks in the 1990s.

The Dallas Morning News reported in late October Nelson had filed a lawsuit against Cuban to recover the alleged $6.6 million he was owed on his contract.

“First, it’s not a grudge match,” Cuban offered in a series of e-mail’s to the media. “If we put on sumo outfits at halftime, then maybe.”

“It’s an issue Nellie’s lawyer threatened he would try to resolve in the press,” Cuban writes, “and he has followed through.

“I prefer to let the lawyers do their job.”

“Mark Cuban has been very good to me and my family,” Nelson said when news of the lawsuit became public “but he doesn’t like me very much.”

“We reached an agreement and I thought we were going to walk away and be friends forever, but it hasn’t worked out that way,” Nelson said. “It’s not my doing. I wanted to take the high road the whole way out of here, and he hasn’t let me do that.”

“No one ever asked us permission for him to coach Golden State,” Cuban said. “That’s a whole other issue. If he was trying to negotiate some things knowing he had another job and us not knowing, or if he had the possibility of another job …

“I just want to put all this to rest. I’m tired of ‘Aren’t I wonderful, isn’t he mean to me.’ I mean, come on.”

from this webpage:

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Apr 29, 2008 1:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"but you can’t be paid by two teams at one time."

I imagine Larry Brown is laughing his way to the bank as he reads this statement..

by exult463 on Apr 29, 2008 2:37 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he was bought out of other contracts -

and I think he left money on the table in Detroit.

Brown is just bad news. It’ll be an interesting year in NC.

by KT on Apr 29, 2008 3:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha!

It’ll be an interesting year in NC.

At least it will be more interesting there than last year. They didn’t have much lower to sink. Had to hit bottom eventually. This is the biggest news they’ve had ever pretty much.

by cranscape on Apr 29, 2008 7:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait until Larry asks for every one to be traded

and because the GM is out somewhere, he’ll end up doing it himself.

by KT on Apr 29, 2008 9:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My guess is the GM wants it that way

I think MJ and Brown will be a good match. MJ doesn’t want to be a full time GM, so why not limit his own role by letting Brown have his way?

Also, for all the criticism that Brown really oversteps his role and wants to trade away guys that don’t fit his mold, what’s wrong with that?

Does someone have a list of trades Larry Brown is thought to be responsible for.

by Sports2 on Apr 30, 2008 8:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Steve Francis to the Knicks, supposedly

I agree that Charlotte is a good place for Brown, with the Michael ‘personal time is not GM time’ Jordan

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 30, 2008 9:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Paxson and the coach search....

I read the blog daily (because the information and analysis blows away anything in the Tribune), but this is my first post.

The reason I’m posting has to do with the general anger toward Paxson for not having a predetermined coach in mind when he fired Boylan. Well, at least that’s what his public comments indicated. Anybody that follows the NBA has a mental list of the current list of “hot” candidates. Carlise, Brown, Jackson, etc have all been on the radar for a while. What I don’t understand, is why he’s being ripped on this board for this. Isn’t investigating the alternatives smart?

There isn’t a coaching candidate out there that is clearly head and shoulders above everyone else. If you’re an NFL GM and you fire your coach today, the first call is to Bill Cowher. Who is that guy in the NBA right now? There isn’t one unless Phil Jackson walks away from the Lakers.

The most interesting part of this is that the candidate pool expands throughout the playoffs. In theory, George Karl (staying in Denver), Mike D’Antoni and Avery Johnson were all on somewhat shaky ground going into the first round. D’Antoni and Johnson are likely both available. Don’t those 2 guys shoot to the top (or close to the top) of any list of potential coaches? Who would be happy right now if Paxson had already hired someone while D’Antoni is sitting there?

Look, there are plenty of reasons to rag on Paxson. Boylan and his “interesting” rotations was a disaster in the middle of a season that imploded beyond anyone’s expectations. I just don’t think ripping on him for taking his time in a pretty important decision is one of them.

by Raven1908 on Apr 30, 2008 3:44 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Raven1908, I'd like a shot

at explaining at least my own annoyance with Pax.

It has a lot to do with the fact that he’s a guy who doesn’t generally lay on the bullsh*t, but he seems to be doing so here. His press statements regarding the coaching search basically convey a sense that Pax is a feel-good, touchy-feely guy, when we know from everything else that he’s a ruthless guy who wants desperately to win, and wants to do so the “right way” (hard work beats talent).

But it’s more than that. It’s also the fact that he individually screwed this thing up with the now-infamous “blue-jeans” recruitment meeting to bring in Wallace, the giving up on a future rebounding champ for no value, and the ill-advised signing of Adrian “Prozac” Griffin for his “calming effect”. Having so thoroughly screwed up this young and promising roster, he needs to come to the fans with more than “hey, let’s just see… how it goes… heh… I don’t have any ideas… just a simple guy… I’m looking for someone nice, but really, no predetermined or pre-set ideas at all…”

Now is not the time to sell us this image of you as a laid back, outside-the-box thinker. You’re not Steve Jobs. And we weren’t born yesterday.

Now is also not the time to try to hedge your public statements. If you’re going to wait for Tom Thibodeau to finish up his championship run, of if you want to wait for Avery Johnson or Mike D’Antoni then just say so. If you fail then you fail—you think we don’t know your job is on the line? But don’t be coy, as though we won’t know what you’re doing.

I just thought that the fans deserved a more terse and more contrite statement from Pax than an intimate view of his whimsical “anything can happen” side.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Apr 30, 2008 1:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would that really

be fair for him to name coaches he’s interested in when their teams are still playing (or were)? That would not be professional. Pax said he is going to take his time in making his decision. He does not owe it to any of us to give out the names of who he is considering.

by sue369 on Apr 30, 2008 2:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed

Nobody thought paxson was retarted until after this season started and the bulls went down the crapper. The ben wallace signing for Chandler was always handled with;
“well wallace still is more productive then chandler was, and Chandler was a crappy player till he met chris paul.”

This brought along the argument, that "if kirk hinrich was half the player chris paul was Chandler would be dominating for the bulls, we would never have gotten ben wallace, and we would be ruling the east."
This thought brought along, "Its all paxsons fault, he signed kirk hinrich to an enormous contract even though he is not a pure pg or floor leader. Speaking of contracts, paxson paid nocioni and wont pay deng or gordon, i see this is all paxsons fault right from the begining" 
....had this season panned out alright, no one would question paxsons move (except the noch signing i guess) and we would be chanting "IN PAX WE TRUST!"

Hindsight is a virtue for the naive. Making changes is necessary, but at the same time i also feel alot of the people in this organization deserve at least one more shot at trying to fix this mess. This is how i feel, and perhaps im the one being naive.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Apr 30, 2008 2:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

uhhh horrid formating...how do i fix this?

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Apr 30, 2008 2:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That happens to

posters sometimes on BCB. Did it happen when you started a new paragraph? You might ask about it in the Welcome to the new BAB thread.

by sue369 on Apr 30, 2008 3:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This happened to me too.

Only when I try to copy and paste text in from other pages/sites. I opened notepad up and pasted it in there first to get rid of formatting…and it still didn’t work. Perhaps there is a trick to it. I think I’ve seen other people copy and paste text in.

by cranscape on Apr 30, 2008 6:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hmmm

I think it imports with the ‘preformatted’ tags embedded? You’d think that the notepad thing would work…

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 30, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Testing

“Michael Damien Sweetney (born October 25, 1982 in Washington, D.C.) is an American professional basketball player who played most recently for the NBA’s Chicago Bulls, in 2006-07. He was traded to the Bulls after a two-year stint with the New York Knicks, which selected him with the 9th overall pick in the 2003 NBA Draft.”

by cranscape on Apr 30, 2008 11:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok

the Notepad thing seemed to work this time. I had tried posting Kirk’s stats the other day and I had previewed it and saw it was wonky. Then I tried the Notepad thing to correct it which didn’t work…perhaps because I had already previewed the funky formatted one and didn’t go back to a clean slate. Seems like starting from a clean slate with no mucked up preview version AND cleaning the formatting through Notepad makes it work.

Wait a second? He was picked 9th? Ah, the Knicks. Now it makes sense.

by cranscape on Apr 30, 2008 11:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not asking for him to show

all of his cards, nor name names, and I agree that Pax is just simply in a difficult position. Part of the frustruation with his press statements was just leftovers from the season.

Still, he could have been more straightforward. He could have said, “The coaching search is well underway. I have a lot of specific candidates in mind, and although I’d love to name them, I hope that the fans will respect the process enough to know that I simply can’t divulge the names at this point.

I’m aware that there are a number of names available, and that these are individuals whose coaching styles and offensive and defensive philosophies differ. The most important factor is that we hire someone who can teach our young and promising basketball team.”

Obviously, there’s a subjective sense of “what sounds better” going on here. But that’s my attempt at scrubbing his language of soft and meaningless “feel-good” type phrases.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Apr 30, 2008 5:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe he doesnt want to bs the fans

I mean even if pax said what you wrote, the fans walk away knowing exactly what we know now. I mean, the only difference is way its being said and would you want paxson to just talk the talk or would you rather him walk the walk? Meaning, if he got the job done will anyone in the future care what he said? As a fan of course it would be nice to know more, but lets be real that rarely happens anywhere. Paxson isnt looking for our okay, he isnt going to look to us and be like hey guys what do you think of this coach im interviewing. He has his people to do this for him. Im sure if GMs could help it they wouldnt talk to the public at all, but its owed to the fans and good media relations.

I dont much care for how he states his vague comments, i know he wont tell us anything thats really going on, and if he ever does it should always be considered a bonus. All i care for is what actions he will actually take, and i will judge him on those actions as he takes them. I dont think there was anyway of knowing that ben wallace would crap out, or that Chandler would become a stud. I think the noch signing was bad, i think slecting boylan as a coach and firing skiles so quickly was a mistake that he wishes he didnt wait (skiles’ firing is very complex so hard to say how it went down, who knew boylan was inept). I think letting go of our russian comrade was paxson being a nice guy, and financially it was a bad move, but i see honor in the move (even if no true fan really cares for that crap). I think the draft was also something that he couldnt have known for sure.

Maybe this means paxson is inept at his job, but its not certain yet, at the time everything he did seemed good, and now in hindsight we know its wrong. Well i think he gets one last chance, one offseason to set things right. And if next season we havent changed for the better, then start hating paxson who has had a whole season to reassess his situation.

I dont mean to offend anyone by the way, so please dont take my words harshly.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Apr 30, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a wha?

everyone thought Paxson was perfect before the season?

“I dont think there was anyway of knowing that ben wallace would crap out, or that Chandler would become a stud. “

Sure, some people called it, and it’s Paxson’s job to get that right.

There’s been enough poor decisions to not have blind faith anymore in everything he does, so sounding like he has no idea what to do becomes more bothersome.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 30, 2008 6:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a familar ring to it

all the people who say Kirk is a lousy pg sound a lot like the people who said Chandler was a bum. or is it just me?...

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on May 1, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's just you

I think Kirk is a lousy PG (not player), but I never thought Chandler was a bum

by NormVanBeer on May 1, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think a lot of people felt big-but-young-man Chandler

was mishandled in Chicago (now that does have a familiar ring), and that Kirk has been relentlessly supported (babied?) by coaches and management.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 1, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

relentlessly supported?

By starting Duhon and playing Hinrich out of position? The Bulls couldn’t have handled that situation more poorly.

by hscs on May 1, 2008 11:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What exactly is Hinrich's position, anyway?

I think the Bulls-and all of us-would like to know.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 1, 2008 12:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

point guard

‘We’ all knew that. He’s more productive there.

by hscs on May 1, 2008 12:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't even think Chandler's that great

but just his modest improvement massively eclipsed what Ben Wallace produced.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 1, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can see some similarities

Both had sub-par seasons after getting contract extensions, and both have a bit of an image as a guy that cares and works hard, but gets down on himself when things don’t go well and isn’t the most talented guy at his position (especially offensively) to begin with. And in the “what have you done for me lately” world of sports fans, most of us do have a tendency to want to trade or cut a guy who isn’t living up to expectations, particularly when a big contract is involved.

I’m one of the people who thinks Chandler would never have succeeded in Chicago anyway, as long as Skiles remained. But he has also benefitted from the specific teammates and coach in New Orleans. I like Kirk, and if the Bulls decide they’ve had enough and it’s time to go elsewhere I could see him having a lot of success and Bulls fans someday wondering why the team ever traded him (especially if the team ends up with one of the PGs available around the 9th pick). But, it would depend partly on which team he went to. I do think he’ll have a better season next year, more in line with previous seasons, whether he’s in Chicago or not.

My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!

by wjb1492 on May 1, 2008 11:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True enough.

1908 was asking why people generally were pissed at Pax’s comments. I was just saying my view, that’s all.

Sometimes you just want a straight answer, not a song and dance.

I’m not offended, picc, and I’d offer the following just by way of example:

Let’s say you screw up big time at work (or at school, or whatever), and it hasn’t blown over yet. Now you have to go in and interact with the boss. The boss (or teacher, etc.) tells you to keep it short because he’s still pissed at you from before.

Is that the time to get cutesy and try to act all smooth when you know your boss/teacher has always appreciated your straight-shooter approach? Hardly.

These things move in stages, too. When Pax first took over, he could have said anything, and we’d have cheered him.

He made some questionable moves between the 2nd and 3rd posteason appearances, but still showed good results, so the fans still gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Then everything went to hell this season. With every new negative development, Pax’s words and deeds drew more scrutiny. He acknowledges that changes had to be made with the firing of Skiles and the big trade. He says all the right things regarding getting minutes for the young bigs. But then he stays silent in the press while he tolerates his putrid interim coach making a mockery of those same words, hardly playing Thomas and Noah together.

So by the end of the season and thereafter, the pressure’s really starting to mount on him to perform his GM responsibilities to make this team better. So what does he do? He comes out with a set of wierd and uncharacteristic platitudes about how he’s going to conduct the coaching search… It was totally wierd and off-putting.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Apr 30, 2008 11:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see your point

I really liked the school/work anology and am still (to this minute) pondering exactly the ways it could go down and what words i can say that are paxson like and thier outcomes….i think too much i think (sometimes not enough though). I suppose i gave more of MY OWN reason for why i am remaining patient with pax. I guess im waiting for his final screw up, this also makes me think if in that sense i have the same nature as pax. Maybe it is this kind of thinking that got him into his predicement in the first place. Despite people saying this player is not good, or this coach wont work, maybe he thought, well they are good people and i should give them at least one chance to royally screw up. Ahh…my head sort of hurts now.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 1, 2008 1:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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