We Need a True PG
by sap on Apr 26, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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If you look at the playoff teams this year, you will see that a large majority of them have good point guards, and that the better teams in the west and the east have a true pg on their team. Examples: Detroit: Billups, Toronto: Ford and Calderon, NO: Chris Paul, Dallas: Kidd, Utah: Williams, and Phoenix: Nash. These players in my opinion are all really good and get their teammates involved. The only elite point guard who is not in the playoffs is Baron Davis who didn't get in because the west is so dominate and barely missed the playoffs. I don't think we should look for a big man for a few reasons. First of all I think Tyrus and Joakim will pan out into good nba players, especially Tyrus. If they have a good coach and a point guard that can make the game easier for them ala Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire.
Unless we have a horseshoe up our asses and are able to draft Derrick Rose, I think we should look into trying to get Jose Calderon. I know Toronto has this combining the point guards thing going on, but I wonder if Calderon would want to lead his own team, especially if the Raptors lose in the first round. Calderon is a free agent, and I think if we got him it would help out the Bulls a lot. If the Bulls do get Calderon, then you ask yourself, "What are we going to do with Kirk Hinrich?" I say we trade him along with some other players, maybe even a draft pick, for an allstar/superstar shooting guard.
The best player i think the Bulls could get a would be a perfect fit would be Tracy McGrady. I know that McGrady is injury prone, but i just watch him play and he is able to takeover a game unlike anyone on the Bulls. He is a headsup player and is able to make good passes to open players when double teamed.
Despite his "backspasms" he is a great player and if he plays 65- 75 games
he will be a great help to the Bulls. McGrady could say that he is done with the Rockets because they can't get pass the first round and Yao always gets injured for them. And if you don't think McGrady is good and/or clutch just watch this video(especially the ending when it is the playoff series against San Antonio)"http://youtube.com/watch?v=A9qHL7lvrlY&feature=related. I think the trade should be Hinrich, either Goodon or Gordon, and our Draft Pick for Tracy McGrady. Our lineup would look like this:
PG: Jose Calderon backup: Chris Duhon
SG: Tracy McGrady backup: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Luol Deng backup: Andres Nocioni
PF: Tyrus Thomas backup: Cedric Simmons/Andres Nocioni
C: Joakim Noah backup: Aaron Gray
I think this would be a very good team, the only problem is that we still have Larry Hughes giant contract and no reason to have him on the team, if we could trade him for some smaller contracts it would be great.
Has anyone else noticed the soda whatever thing that says vote for the MVP and Derrick Rose is in the advertisment even though he isnt in the NBA yet.
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sounds good
whatever happens we need to get our shit together. we got the talent and you’re right we just need one explosive guard. i hope we get something good out of this draft and i was upset last year when we picked noah. i know we needed a post presence but i just don’t like noah
by columbusOHcubsfan on Apr 26, 2008 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
who the hell we should of got then??????
by SK23 on Apr 26, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know who looks great
in limited minutes? Aaron Brooks of the Rockets.
He always looks at least one step quicker than everyone else on the floor.
NBA.com says he had 5.2 ppg and about 2 apg in 12 minutes per game.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Apr 26, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't Care
Let’s just say I’m from columbus and I’m also a diehard buckeye fan. I’ve seen enough of that dumb fuck Noah. He’’s really annoying
by columbusOHcubsfan on Apr 28, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems to me that being a "pure" point guard
comes down to having one mental ability and two physical abilities:
- mental ability: make the right decision; and
- physical abilities: have the agility and dexterity to penetrate the lane consistently and to handle the ball 90% of the time.
Kirk seemed a little slow this season, but before this season, I had held out hope that he had the abilities to become that pure point. I’m really doubting it now.
Still, there’s not excuse for not throwing more lobs up for Noah and Thomas to crush home.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Apr 26, 2008 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Im a hinrich fan
Yet ill say this, when you come into the league, you either ARE a pure PG, or you are not a pure pg. Its like lowpost scoring, if you get a center who doesnt have post moves after 3 years into his season, he probably wont learn later, I.E. chandler. He will never be a guy who can get stuff done in the post. He NEEDS a chris paul to give him an alley so he can oop. He needs the moment where he can jump grab the ball and dunk it. That is his game, he may get a baby hook now and then, but he will never be able to play the post like a tim duncan.
In that same sense, Hinrich will never be a pure point guard, he never was, not in kansas, not in high school, and not in the nba. He is a shoot first pg who uniquely decides to pass. You defined a pg having physical and mental abilities that allowed them to be pure, but i think theres alot of instinct that goes with it.
Go to a playground and play with some people, there are guys who are just insanely good at finding cutters and open men, who can dribble penetrate with simplistic moves, and can see the entire court without problem. Ive met and asked a bunch of people who can do this (ive always wanted those abilities) and they always say they just can do it. They can just see the open guy, theres no real way to learn to do this, it just that they can. They can see the holes in defense and know how to react to them, maybe you can learn this ability with alot of experience, but its nothing easy to learn, especially as you get older.
I think kirk TRIED to be a pure pg this season, i think he actually tried to be a distributor this year, tried to get ben gordon and luol deng the looks they needed to succeed. I think this is part of why he has done so bad this season. I think every one everywhere has critqued hinrichs career 6 assists per game, which is very low for a pg. I think he tried to become a distributor this year and it cost him.
So why is hinrich a good pg then? Because although he may never be a pure pg, he is a smart guard who can score and is unselfish. He is alot like Chancey Billups except without the same swagger. I think hinrich’s main problem has been that he hesitates and doubts his moves. On defense if he goes all out, he gets in foul trouble. If he doesnt, well guys then have career games. If he shoots the ball and misses, i think he becomes doubtful if he should continue shooting because if he continues to miss, the team may lose. If he decides to pass the ball too much though, and no one is able to score, then he wonders if he should try to get the team back with his shots. Of course i dont know if this is completely true, however, I have the same thoughts in my head when i play (this is a habit i had before i ever saw kirk play, and when i saw him play he seemed like a guy who was on the verge of finding that ‘balance’, which is why he is my favorite player). More evidence i think is when he signed my shirt awhile back at a circuit city and wrote “Go Hard”, at first i thought it was a pointless quick thought message, but i think that maybe its the words people have told him about his game.
I think kirk has the offensive abilities, defensive abilities, and b-ball iq to be something great. I think his biggest problems isnt his lack of skills, but more lack of mentality. I dont know if thats worse or better then lack of skills, but i believe it is something that can be overcome. Thats why i ask that hinrich should get one more year (who exactly im asking, im not sure) because i think this losing season might be what is needed to get him out of that mental funk.
Sorry bullhockey (and everyone else) i made this comment long as hell, but i just wanted to get alot of this off my chest. Thanks for reading (if you did)
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on Apr 26, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am actually
fine with the stats he put up a year ago. Not stellar, but solid, especially since were were supposed to have stars in Gordon, Deng, and Thomas. Kirk was never the guy I thought our success was hinged on. He needed to just be consistent with the near 17 pts 8 assists average. Not sure what was different this year beyond the obvious team drama and coaching issues along with early ref problems throwing off his defense. Look at his stats from January this year. Not bad. Just not there the rest of the season. If there was some guarantee that his stats would bounce back I think we could do fine with him. Of course after this season no one is safe and everyone is going to be paying for those mistakes. Kirk as well.
by cranscape on Apr 26, 2008 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich
i do not dislike hinrich, it is just that the system we have here would not be the best for him or the team. if was on phil jacksons team he would do great at pg by playing smart good defense and making shots, but for the other players on the bulls to get better we need someone to make the game easier for them and help give them good shots.
by sap on Apr 27, 2008 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good point
Kirk with the lakers would run very nicely, he would be more well known, and dare i say, more Paxson esque. Its sort of a fans ideal that his favorite player is on his favorite team, and it sucks that reality might be that my favorite player cannot fit on my favorite team.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on Apr 27, 2008 3:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calderon isn't going anywhere.
Toronto realizes that he is outstanding and he loves playing on that team, so its more likely that they do everthing in their power to move Ford.
by McCabe on Apr 26, 2008 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree. So what about T.J. Ford?
Can we get him? And if so, do we want him?
by Tim S. on Apr 27, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TJ Ford
Ford is a good option for the Bulls too. He is lightning quick and has great playmaking abilities. He would have been really good this year if the Horford incident wouldnt of happened.
by sap on Apr 26, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TJ
Is far too injury prone for my taste’s and hardly the defender of HInrich. He’s a step down in both those areas which easily make Kirk’s less “pure” PG skills more a natural fit than TJ.
I think Kirk’ll bounce back, he was never a Chris Paul type PG, but until this year he was a pretty consistent 17-7/8 pg, which is much much better than avg…..add his usual defensive strenghts and there you go.
Of course I’m completely throwing this yr out the window….........
by majoyenrac on Apr 27, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk
was worse this year than even his first year in the league. I am more inclined to think this year was a fluke, but I guess if there is an obvious upgrade for the position we should still go for it. But if getting a new pg means shipping too many people out and making other positions weaker as a result I don’t think it is the way to go. Hinrich’s average, minus this last season, isn’t that bad. At least not bad enough to trade away a bunch of talent away in hopes of getting a better pg. And I do think other teams see us as desperate and will stick it to us as much as possible this trade season.
by cranscape on Apr 27, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ford Ran Rings
around Kirk in the last game of the season. Kirk looked like he was glued to the floor. Same thing when Paul was here. We have no one who can guard the quick point guards. As they say, you can’t teach speed.
by Cannoli on Apr 28, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean that game where everything was on the line
and everybody like it meant something?
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Apr 28, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I recall, that game
meant even less for Toronto. Kirk’s a tweener. ..a little too slow for this, a little too small for that. When his head is totally, 100% in the game, he does a pretty good job, but I think he spends a lot of his time on the floor just short of that required edge.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on Apr 28, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
the What Does It All Mean Ratio (WDIAMR) was in the Bulls’ favor by 0.253%.
by hscs on Apr 28, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There, now it's impossible to refute
I love it when we come to a consensus.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Apr 28, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, I calculate WDIAMR with PER
so someone, somewhere will have a problem with it.
by hscs on Apr 28, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk complained about defense all year really
I think the way he played defense this year was trying to cover all positions, meaning he wasnt just watching his man, but watching everyone elses man in his vicinity. Thats my oppinion though, but i dont think he was this bad on defense last year or the year before that even. Im sure there is a way to prove this statistically, but i dont know what stat it would be or where to find it (story of my life). Kirk isnt THAT slow, and his defensive fundamentals are good enough that he can keep up with quicker guards, so the only explanation i have for kirk being beaten so many times this year is the way he was playing defense….Although, i dont have an argument for the crossover that was done on him by the knicks.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on Apr 28, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually wondered about that, too
The comment he made at the end of the season, something along the lines of whatever the defensive scheme, they all need to buy into it and play their butts off? I don’t know what they were told to do, obviously, but a guy on a team can definitely end up looking stupid if he’s following a scheme and another guy on the team isn’t or misses an assignment.
I guess we’ll find out next year whether this year was a fluke or a sign of things to come.
My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!
by wjb1492 on Apr 28, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you can teach size?
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk
doesn’t have size, either. Put his brain, shooting eye and attitude in Thabo’s body, and you would have a world class 2-guard.
by Cannoli on Apr 28, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see it now!
He would look like Lee Majors. He would be better than he was before: better, stronger, faster. We have the technology!
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
If only;) Then we could do a brain/heart transplant (maybe clone KG) for Tyrus, and we have the makings of a dynasty.
by Cannoli on Apr 29, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or get a real coach who will play him as much as
Garnett’s rookie season 28.7 MPG.
by hscs on Apr 29, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A neophyte coach
might feel more pressure to prove himself and try to turn everything around instantly, whereas an older, experienced coach might be more willing to patiently install a ‘new’ team and allow it time to come together. An experienced hand with a long-term contract taking over a lottery team should be willing to put Tyrus on the court 30+ minutes per game.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on Apr 29, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably the other way around.
"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.
by tyger1147 on Apr 29, 2008 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa you dont no shit kirk never average 17 and 8. he is a 16.9 and 6 averaging ass bum. who barely ave 11 points this year. Trade his weak ass for devin harris. Kirk really hurt his value this season, although he is a proven defender, an all defensive 2nd teamer. and for some reason he gives D-Wade made problems but other then that he is a bum. Just answer me this is he an all-star…...........no trade his ass
by rasaan86 on May 1, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade the whole team then.
None of them are All Stars. Though they all have asses, since you brought that up a lot.
by cranscape on May 2, 2008 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Harp can be a PG
So can Thabo. But the key is the new coach. Whether it’s someone like Shaw who could install the Triangle or someone else who can teach the pcik and roll. Plus he’s got to be a teacher.
Play Thabo at PG, Kirk or Hughes at SG, TYRUS at the 3, and Gooden and Noah at 4 and 5.
From what’s left, Noc, Deng, Gordon, Huges/Hinrich, Duhan, trade what you can for expiring contracts and high draft choices and get ready for 2009/10. And draft a big.
But we’ve got to get a teacher.
by hlac on Apr 26, 2008 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you referring to Ron Harper?
Because I’m fairly certain the primary ballhandler was rarely Harper, but rather Scottie or MJ. PG’s on Phil Jackson teams rarely ever fit the “pure” mentality.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
and you’re right about the “pure’ mentality. Jackson’s players can hit a medium range jumper, find an open man, and drive to the basket. I think the lineup I advocate above has those characteristics also. Which is why I would be interested in Shaw and the Triangle.
And I think this is a two year process-if we can just get a good teacher
by hlac on Apr 26, 2008 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To fully employ the Triangle
on such a young team, I really don’t have faith in it. I know the team still has some sets from the offense, but I think this team could benefit from just upping the tempo and playing more of a full-court game. We have all the young athletes needed for that kind of offense, and the roster has the defensive talent to make up for a more fast-paced style of play.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Harper was
a former All-Star and already known for his versatile game before ever coming to the Bulls. He was also in the twilight of his career (at least one majore knee surgery, maybe more) before Jordan un-retired, as you may recall that the Bulls were getting lambasted for signing him as a free agent. I believe they gave him like $9M when his next best offer was in the $4M range. Chicago press was up in arms about his hiring, saying the Bulls had signed “the wrong Harper” (the other one being Derek).
Ron Harper sure did play PG for the 2nd 3peat, but you’ve also got to understand that things were so extremely different when he came in and took on PG duties, as compared to Thabo.
I agree with the comparison in the sense that both are tall guards who can be hawks on defense. It’s just that Thabo may have a rather long way to go…
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Apr 27, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paragraph 3
Spot on. Let’s take a chance.
by hlac on Apr 27, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harper didn't run the offense
except to pass the ball to Jordan. He wasn’t a pg, he was a tall defensive guard. There is no real point guard in the triangle. It’s an offense predicated on getting good spacing and passing out of the post.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Apr 27, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phil used
a different set of positions on that bulls team. There was no PG, SG, PF, SF, C position, at least not traditionally. He used a G, G, F, PointF, and Center position. In a traditional sense you have the pg bring the ball up and execute the play, you have a sg who has the main job of scoring, the sf which is a wing scorer bigger then the guards, a pf and c to handle the paint. The bulls had scottie initiate the offense. THe guards didnt have to worry about bringing the ball upr starting the offense, the guards usually sat on the perimeter, and of course the offense usually ran through the center. There were 5 guys out there, and i dont think there was ever a moment (excluding garbage time) when either michael or pippen were not in the game at the same time. Those two handled the main responsibilities of the point.
Bullshooter probably said it the best, there was no PG, just a Point Forward in scottie, and the occaisional, “let jordan do what he does”
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on Apr 27, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
with everyone in this thread about the Triangle, the old Bulls, Thabo, etc. My attachment for the Triangle lies in this that the Triangle would maximize the abilities of the current Bulls’ roster. Specifically Noah, Gooden, TT, Kirk/Hughes, and Thabo.
by hlac on Apr 27, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you understand the triangle then
because the triangle is best suited for teams that have players with exceptional individual offensive talents. It’s designed to get the ball to those players 10 feet from the basket in the post, or a short pass from the post. Who on the bulls current roster can you say that about? Noah is a decent passer, you can’t run the offense through him in the post. Thabo is the only guard who has posted effectively, if for only a couple of games. Deng has never shown he could post effectively, let alone pass out of the post. It sounds like you just want Thabo in to bring the ball up and make a pass…
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Apr 27, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do they have to have a post up game?
Those five are reasonably good at passing to someone cutting to the basket and they’re all reasonably good at cutting to the basket and finishing or passing out if they get double teamed. Of course, these skills would fit a pick and role offense also.
As far as Thabo is concerned, I want to get out from under our PG problem and this is a reasonable solution.
by hlac on Apr 27, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you can't score out of the post
the offense is a lot less effective, because then the defense overplays the passing lanes and the whole thing bogs down.
No the bulls don’t need a a truer point guard, they just need Kirk to play more aggressively, they need BG to shoot when he is open, they need Deng to make layups when he attacks the rim, they need TT to keep his head in the game and they need Noah to show up on time.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Apr 28, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second that notion
Well Said. Talent is there, something else is lacking.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on Apr 28, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Bullshooter
Arent there different types of Triangle plays, or rather many different variations and scenerios. If i remember right from one of phil jacksons books, before he got into coaching he did alot of research on the different types of Triangle Plays. Also, i think the bulls might have used a triangle a few times, at least when skiles first got here, although not like phil. Meaning one of the plays i think skiles called out against the pistons was a Triangle play, where wallace would get the ball in the middle, deng would slash, and gordon and hinrich would rotate around the perimeter as wallace found a bull for a three, or found a slashing deng. I think thats what i saw at least, and it made since if you consider guys like pete meyers and even pax offering some play advices to skiles.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on Apr 27, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
three guys standing around
generally make a triangle, but that doesn’t mean they are running the triangle offense. ;-)
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Apr 28, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember from Tex Winters' interview
that he considered the Triangle an offense that would maximize the skills of the players, but not one that required “exceptional individual offensive talents” in the sense of creating one’s own shot. Rather, he stated that the perfect players would be able to hit mid-range jumpers.
The interviewer was asking Tex who the perfect players were for each position. MJ was the perfect SG in a no-brainer, but interestingly enough, Tex said that Pip would not be the perfect SF for the system, since there were better mid-range shooters in the history of the game, who would have been better suited to the triangle (I think he named Bird).
If you really look at the triangle, it’s designed to get open shots for cutters and spot up shooters. It was only when the triangle broke down that MJ or Pip would save the play by creating their own shot.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
by bullhockey on Apr 28, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great players make everything look great
the problem is that the current bulls are too one-dimensional. Kirk passes to quickly, BG can only shoot jumpers, Deng can only make a layup if he is wide open, TT needs the right matchup, and Noah is too busy talking about what a winner is instead of getting in the weight room so he won’t get abused by guys like Dwight Howard, or even Brendan Heywood.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Apr 28, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what would you do
Given that the current Bulls are one-dimentional
Kirk, Noc, Hughes, Duhon and Gooden can be traded this summer
BG and Deng are BYC constrained until next summer
salary-wise the Bulls are in no-mans land between the salary cap and the luxury tax
the free agents in 2009/10
and we need a coach
by hlac on Apr 28, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd slowly take my time
and hire a new coach. These guys can all play better.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Apr 28, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Actually, toward the end of the season, Noah began looking like he was spending a good amountof time in the weight room. He looked decidedly stronger. I think Noah stays on top of what he needs to do to keep getting better.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on Apr 28, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
word was
He put on 20 lbs. before 2007-08 even started. No link.
by hscs on Apr 28, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
has there been any word on Noah's shoulder?
I assume surgery’s not in the cards this offseason. Hopefully it doesn’t need too much rest before he can start lifting. At least get him on Aaron Gray’s diet.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it magically healed
or magically vanished from the beat writers’ brains. A job well done by everyone.
by hscs on Apr 28, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before the season
he had a shoulder problem that kept him from any serious upper body lifting. What I noticed is that later in the season his upper body began to look a little sculpted, where earlier it just looked skinny.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on Apr 28, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gained 20 lbs when I was that age too
and it had nothing to do with working out. He was still getting worked at the end of the year, and he was still talking…
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Apr 28, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't need a PG in the triangle
The floor is seen by all the components of the triangle. Everyone is a passer. Everyone is a shooter. But most of all everyone is looking for the player with the better shot.
Hire triangle head coach. Draft Eric Gordon. Find a way so Hughes never plays.
by NBA Observer on Apr 28, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
word
i’m with you on needing to trade hinrich. he is terrible. The guy I would like to get (if he doesnt opt out of his contract anyway) is Gilbert Arenas. I just dont think Captain Kirk and our 1st rounder is enough to get an allstar or quality pg or sg. maybe we add in noc too but then we are just hoping somebody takes garbage for an allstar. But Arenas is my favorite player so i think we should do whatever it takes especially if Hinrich is traded.
if we pick 9ish i say we go with the best guard around.
by 234L on Apr 26, 2008 10:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree with arenas also
i like arenas also, its just that he isnt a playmaking point guard and if we have him at shooting guard i dont know how he would match up on defense. i do love gilbert and it would be great to watch somebody as clutch as he was last year. another problem is his knee funk or whatever
by sap on Apr 27, 2008 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arenas
scares the hell out of me. Any player with knee problems is one who should be avoided. No injury takes away more explosiveness, and no body part takes more stress in basketball than the knee.
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on Apr 27, 2008 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right on sap. The Bulls desperately need a true point guard
and if there is some package we could present to pry Calderon away from the Raptors, I think this would vastly improve their chances next year. In a prior post, I stated the Bulls should forget Arenas and make Jose an offer he can’t refuse and Toronto can’t match, but won’t necessitate breaking the bank as it would for Gilbert. The Raptors already have T J Ford and might be more interested in acquiring a shooting guard like Gordon and a hustle player like Noce. Jose is a legitimate 26 yr. old point guard who thinks pass first (8.3 assists/30 minutes per game). He can start or come off the bench and be highly effective (52% FG, 43% 3PT, 91% FT). and is a decent help defender and a definte upgrade from Gordon in this area.
Arenas is a great scorer, whose quickness earns him lots of trips to the line (81% FT) but a lousy point guard thinking shoot first. Although he has superior physical skills when not injured, he is a lazy defender and doesn’t make others around him better as evidenced by the Wizard’s improvement while he was hurt. His cost would be prohibitive and like Gordon, is a chucker with a lifetime FG % under 43% just like this years can’t shoot straight Bulls. Calderon would come cheaper, both in players and salary and may be a better fit for a team trying once again to play all for one and one for all. His desire to dish to his teamates could make him popular on the court and in the clubhouse and whose 2007 salary was a bargain basement $2.44 million. T. J. Ford is less than 6 ft. tall who gets abused on defense with the other guards having little trouble shooting over him. I don’t know why Toronto would want to keep him over Calderon, but if we take some garbage contract (s) off their hands and offer a nice mix, they may listen.
Relieved of PG duties, I think Kirk could once again be highly effective as a hybrid shooting guard who can also pass. If he doesn’t have to always concentrate on setting up everyone else first, I see no reason his scoring average cannot be around 18 ppg. He is a tenacious defender who had to work twice as hard to cover up for Ben’s deficiencies and thus weaken his own output. What the Bulls would lose in Ben’s scoring abilities could be absorbed by others getting better shots because there would be a new waiter in town.
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 27, 2008 2:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree with everything but...
kirk as a hybrid shooting guard. kirk is only 6 3 and that is what caused him problems when he had to guard the good, big shooting guards. i would consider thabo more of a hybrid shooting guard. also if we just moved kirk at sg we would still have no allstar to take over when we needed it. no one on the bulls has the ability and the killer instinct to take over when they need to, this is why i thought we should trade for mcgrady or another good sg who can be clutch
by sap on Apr 27, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What players did Hinrich struggle to guard this past season
that he wasn’t able to guard in previous seasons? Hinrich was a solid defender of Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton and Dwayne Wade.
It would be nice if Hinrich were taller, but has the guy really given you all the signs that he cannot guard the shooting guards he’d have to guard in the East when he has shown he can guard them?
The one aspect of defense where I think Hinrich has struggled throughout his career is transition defense. He’s not very quick at getting back and the 2 on 1 or 3 on 1 breaks aren’t something he can even break up with a foul alone.
by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if TMAC
would be our answer. He’s looked very much shaky in the clutch against the Jazz, and while the numbers don’t seem to indicate it, I do think he’s been outplayed by AK47 this series…..the difference is that Deron Williams, Boozer, and Mehmet Okur are asked to take on more of the offense, and the Rockets have been going for TMAC alone…..
I think he’s lost more than a step, and it looks like the nerves of winning a playoff series have completely gotten to him.
I actually would rather us go after AK47 after watching this series…..
Here’s a guy who’s value is still low, but who can do a multitude of things. He’s a better offensive player than his stats suggest because he’s more valuable as a defensive player and so Sloan has put him more into a D role…..he can shoot from the perimeter, drive, and can guard any of the best players (1-4) in the league.
Now the issue with AK47 is his cost, but I would much rather pay for him than Deng, so we try to get AK47 for a package of Deng and a newly signed Duhon….
The Jazz get a nice backup PG and a younger, guy in Deng with a more natural offensive ability. THe Bulls get a much more versatile player, who fits our tough D mentality.
We draft a PG in the draft this year, and keep Gordon for the qualifying offer and do one more reevaluation with a new coach/system, and a different looking team….
by majoyenrac on Apr 27, 2008 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kirilenko
even before deron williams and boozer played kirilenko wasnt a huge offensive threat. kirilenko would be a good defensive stopper for a contending team… like the jazz, but giving up deng for kirilenko in my opinion would be a bad move. i would only trade deng in a package for a superstar. if we could trade him for lebron or wade or someone of that status i would be fine, but the bulls need a spark on offense to help them finish games. also i hope to god we dont sign gordon. i absolutely hate him and a 6 3 sg who doesnt know how to play defense or pass should not be on the bulls.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"-Bluto Blutarsky
by sap on Apr 27, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deng...
really isn’t a problem defensively, he has done pretty well against all but the best SFs (Lebron, ‘Melo, Butler) . He may not be the help blocker that AK is but prior to this year (and maybe even this year) he wasn’t much better, if at all as a one on one defender. I don’t understand why we want to give up on our 22 year old, sweet shooting slasher because we had a down year.
by McCabe on Apr 27, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deng
Has some skills that prove he should be a better defender, but he’s hardly a top tier defender and much too often expects to allow the big guys to help out on d…
He’s gotten way too much benefit of the doubt, but in watching him, you’d expect him to be a better defender, but he’s hardly above average. He seems to have skills that would make him above avg, but he rarely uses them.
Kirilenko can score 16 pts, is far more a game changer than Deng on D, and is only 27—hardly old. Plus Deng will be in the AK47 range financially and will likely never be that game changer/all star AK47 was, is and can be in the future…
by majoyenrac on Apr 28, 2008 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
that you have watched much Kirilenko this year or the last; while his overall numbers are pretty good, he is hardly a game changer or all-star at this point. He fluctuates between good and completely irrelevent, purely based on whether or not he is given the ball. Obviously, that is both his and his coach/point guard’s fault; but it highlights his greatest difficiency, he just can’t create well for himself.
by McCabe on Apr 28, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am watching AK47 play the way he's supposed to play in this series. The guy still has all the skills that made him a 2 time All Star out west. He's a game changer on the D side, and is more than adequate offensively.
Sure he didn’t do that as much in the season, but that’s because he’s being used to just utilize his great D given the fact that outside of him the Jazz are a very weak defensive unit and have a few other multitalented offensive only players like Boozer and Okur…...but in the playoffs his mix of offense and defense has been a MAJOR factor so far in this series. You can almost see that if Boozer and Okur were at least adequate defensively that AK47 would be used more fully on both ends….they ain’t and so he ain’t be used to his best abilities…..and he’s been made to suffer.
Sure maybe last yr he had trouble understanding that role and might have also been recovering from injury, but he’s totally back and is still a bargain (in terms of trading for a game changer).....
Imagine him out West, paired with Noah and the athleticism of Tyrus…..wow!
by majoyenrac on Apr 29, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
13,735,000 for AK
I don’t think Deng will be making that much money… especially not after this season. 14 mil is in a different range financially than Deng’s reported 10 mil offer.
by JockstrapNoah on Apr 30, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
start Du over Kirk
Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich
by 234L on Apr 28, 2008 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be great!
Du would average six assist a game and three points. If he shows up for practice and is sober. Sounds fantastic. Sign me up for season tickets to see that. I can’t wait. Du will lead us to the NBA finals next year. I’ll buy his jersey. All those Du haters will put in their place along with people who were dumb enough to like Kirk. Bull’s basketball would never be better. :P
by cranscape on Apr 28, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one
who could imagine Duhon coming to a game plastered and actually playing better than he usually does?
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know where some of the hate comes from, but
who can name 4 backup PGs better than Duhon, not including Ford/Calderon?
by Sko on Apr 28, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1. Ford/Calderon
Lou Williams, Antonio Daniels, Jordan Farmar, Sam Cassell, Nate Robinson, Whoever sits in Seattle, Keyon Dooling, Kyle Lowry, Chris Quinn, Carlos Arroyo, Travis Diener, Chucky Atkins, Whoever sits in Portland, Marcus Williams, Jannero Pargo, Tyronn Lue, Daniel Gibson, and apparently Ramon Sessions.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jack sits in portland
only 16 GS this season.
by hscs on Apr 28, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Stuckey counts as a point guard?
Cause he’s listed behind Billups on the depth chart.
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Barbosa?
he count as a backup pg?
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the playoffs anyway
Manu is the backup PG for the Spurs.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe, but does it really matter?
I admit some of those I listed aren’t always at the point, but when you’re talking about backup guards, they are likely specialists one way or the other.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you just pwned sko
sko just got owned so badly. friendly bullsblogger is the man
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"-Bluto Blutarsky
by sap on Apr 28, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All this discussion
about a BACKUP point guard. As if strengthening that position will vastly improve the team. Duhon is a barely adequate backup. Seems to me that it is the totally inadequate starting lineup that is the issue. Who do we have who would start for any top 4 team in either division? Deng? Would Kirk start for the Lakers or Boston?
Du is an easy target with his partying. If he were averaging 15 & 8, no one would be complaining. Mantle and Ruth were pickled half the time they played, and hung-over the rest, and everyone had a good chuckle. Boys will be boys. We only seem to object to rowdy behavior when a player is mediocre, otherwise, everyone just winks and looks the other way.
Lastly, in his defense as a person (not reflective of his general skill level as a basketball player) Duhon has won numerous awards for his citizenship and charitable works. He has funded the (re)construction of @ 40 basketball courts which were destroyed by Katrina. He works hard in the off season to improve the lives of kids who were displaced by the storm’s aftermath. He does this work personally, and does not just ask his business manager to send a check.
by Cannoli on Apr 29, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich is better than Derek Fisher
I assume Phil Jackson’s mind control powers would have kept him from regressing. He’d be considered an upgrade in Orlando, Houston, and Cleveland too.
by hscs on Apr 29, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
antonio daniels
sam cassell
louis williams
mike james
chucky atkins
jarret jack
by hscs on Apr 28, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's your theory on the hate?
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on Apr 28, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta add a "2nd round draft pick" qualifier
It’s the only way you get Du into the top 10.
by NBA Observer on Apr 29, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the chances of getting Mike Miller and either Conley or Lowry from the Grizzlies for
Ben Gordon and Duhon/ Noce/ Hughes/ Thabo? The Bulls pick up a 6’8” shooting guard who can space the court with his deadly 3pt. accuracy (43.2%, FG 50.2% FT 77.4%, Reb 6.7pg) and a true young lightening fast point guard although both are only 6 ft tall.
Lowry is a great rebounder and defensive pest for his size and needs to improve his shooting but may be more likely available than the highly rated Conley. |Even Miller can play the point occasionally and like Thabo, can swing to forward when he becomes vulnerable defensively against some of the quicker shooting guard matchups.
Miller would supply enough scoring punch to offset most of Gordon’s output, the Bulls would add height and more flexibility and get a point guard with a great upside potential, whether the Bulls could somehow pry Conley away, or settle for a very capable Kyle Lowry.
Whoever the Bulls would give up should releive some of the overcrowding on their current roster although I doubt if they could somehow miraculoulsy include Hughes in the mix.
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 28, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
re my post.....Tyrusmancrush
I would still prefer the Bulls push for Calderon. If Toronto goes down, maybe this could become possible.
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 28, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt mine if the bulls got mike miller, but why would memphis want ben gordon for mike miller. miller is better on both sides of the court so why would they want gordon. i dislike gordon. he is the least supposedly “clutch” player i have ever seen. unless he catches fire he just destroys our ofense by taking bad shots and is useless on defense. he wants to be a hero, but is a zero(not gilbert arenas like)
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"-Bluto Blutarsky
by sap on Apr 28, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading science
is so hard sometimes, isn’t it?
by McCabe on Apr 28, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gooden was at the Raptors game tonight.
He might have been doing some scouting.
by McCabe on Apr 28, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Orlando is a team that would love to have Gooden
Yet, they have nothing to offer.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 28, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they could've used expiring deals this past trade deadline
but elected not to. They’re capped out for a long time, so it looks like MLE hunting for the next few years.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pwned?
Farmar, Jack, Daniels, Robinson, Gibson maybe.
Cassell counts for you, really?
I’m a fan of AD, but would I rather pay him going forward, as old as he is? not really, he makes 5.8 mil right now.
Robinson is a starter, and Gibson started before West arrived, are these technicalities?
As far as my own ignorance, are Louis and Marcus Williams really that good? honest question. I’m not sure, but any of the rest of the guys you named would just become the new whipping boy around here.
But our real problem is that any combination of Duhon, Kirk, and Gordon, should never be on the floor together, ever, and we need a coach who knows that, and a plan that takes it into account.
I think we let Duhon twist in the wind this summer, but if nobody picks him up by training camp, I’m honestly not opposed to bringing him back at a pay cut.
by Sko on Apr 29, 2008 12:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh
I like duhon he is a great backup. I think he will be picked up by teams quickly. The reason he isnt so great for the bulls is because he is much like hinrich, at he doesnt specialize in anything. Its worse for duhon because he is indeed a worse player then hinrich, he might be a bit faster, but he is also shorter. His shot is even more inconsistent then hinrichs. He is good a game or two a month, and then regresses to a crappy player.
Thabo may not be an allstar, but just size wise he has the leg up on duhon. If duhon is gone, then thabo becomes the first guard of the bench, and that might be a better option since thabo’s size and defensive ability can compliment both gordon and hinrich.
Duhon is a great player, and if he came back i wouldnt be hating this team, but its not really something that needs to be done. And yes, if two weeks before training camp we havent signed a good guard, then i wouldnt mind seeing du back for cheaper, but until then there are other options that might help alot more then du.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on Apr 29, 2008 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago needs a new GM
Here is a stat that I bet nobody knows and nobody even talks about, which I feel is complete bs. How can John Paxson expect the bulls to get better or compete for a championship, when we dont even have an ALL-STAR on are team. Now curse me out or ride me out just yet, just listen to my argument.
The bulls are the only team since 1998 to not produce 1 single All-Star, that is the longest current streak of any team. How can we expect a championship or even playoff hopes, when we cant even produce the little things.
Lets work on getting a player to play on SUNDAY, first before we try to take a huge step like a championship.
Also nobody wants to come play for chicago because we have too many stupid rules, You mean to tell me that if Lebron or Melo troublemaking ass, was to say. “I will play for the Bulls…. if you let me wear my headband.”
You mean to tell me that Paxton will say no to these guys just because they wana wear a headband, thats stupid and its really costing the chicago bulls franchise. I’m sure once word got out about that headband issue, im sure star players were saying, “Whoa if we cant even wear a heandband, what other rules they got over there, you no what forget it that wipes chicago out my mind.’
Also we have the longest streak of a player not to make an all-nba team as well, so before we talk about a coach change, lets get a GM change so players will see Chicago as an open opportunity, not a place were they treat there players like there in college. These are grown men, and should be treated like grown men, I bet the Bulls organization is the only organization with cheap stipulations.
Key Notes
Elton Brand left the bulls ALL-STAR
Ron Artest left the bulls ALL-STAR
Brad Miller left the bulls ALL-STAR
Jamal Crawford left the bulls ave 20 this year
Eddy Curry left the bulls ave like 19.7 last year
Tyson Chandler left the bulls and he is a reboulding machine, top 5 rebouder the past 2years. And he got a division title.
Tyrus Thomas ave what 6 points this year. Lamarcus Alridge ave what 17 and 7 cmon shoot yoself
by rasaan86 on May 1, 2008 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Pargo
Playing great on the Hornets.
by JockstrapNoah on May 2, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not act like Curry and Crawford were huge losses
...but for the most part, I agree.
by Illini15 on May 4, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though I still have a mancrush on Tyrus
Hopefully he pans out. I’m surprised by how good Aldridge has been, so I can’t blame him for that one.
by Illini15 on May 4, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'Antoni and Augustin
Would be a pretty nice combination. I’m not huge on Augustin (admittedly due only to his height), but I think he could be great under D’Antoni if by some miracle we were able to land him as coach.
by Illini15 on May 4, 2008 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
doesnt seem like a miracle anymore
the only miracle is if the bulls decide to draft a PG instead of a big man like Love (we could actually use both) and find Hinrich a new farm … home. westbrook also seems like a SWEET alternative. The other question is whether we should continue to hope on young projects or get a True, Veteran (not old) PG that already knows how to play the game.
Finally: The End.
by ChiTownCritic on May 5, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are "True" Point Guards Overrated?
Look at Andre Miller and Brevin Knight. That’s an awful lot of times to trade two guys who offer the rare “pure point guard” set of skills. How many All-Stars and championships between them? Not many.
Jason Kidd’s been an All-Star, but obviously has not won it all, either.
In fact, going back about 20 years, what “pure point guards” have won it all? Tony Parker (3 times), Chauncey Billups, Jason Williams, Derek Fisher (3 times), Avery Johnson and Magic Johnson. Even if you assume that all of these guys are “pure” point guards, that’s still only about half the teams out of the last 20 years who had “pure” point guards. And some of those guys weren’t even considered all that good, individually (Fisher, Avery Johnson).
So maybe the pure point guard thing is overrated…
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by bullhockey on May 6, 2008 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and they call me the contrarian...
be careful, you might be on to something here.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 6, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely wouldn't call Parker one.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 6, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chauncey 'The Original Hinrich Combo' Billups, and Magic Johnson aren't good fits either
I was unfortunate enough to hear Colin Cowherd yappety-yap about Parker’s point guard prowess being the main reason the Spurs won a bunch of championships. I no longer subscribe to satellite radio.
Keep it quiet, but I’ve also seen Grant Hill, Scottie Pippen, and Kevin Garnett walk the ball up the court.
by hscs on May 6, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever watch Pardon The Interuption (PTI)
THey once had a conversation about this, about dwight howard and chris paul, and the big point became that both centers and pgs are essential, but in the end you always choose a great center over a great pg because centers win championships. I dont think it was stated or meant to be taken as fact, but as an oppinion i might agree.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 6, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its rare that a donut team wins a championship.
The 90s bulls are one of the few who have, and it took two top 50 players all time to do so.
"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."
by jpchi on May 7, 2008 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rare indeed
They lacked a great center and a great pg. But like you said, two of the top 50 players of all time (one who will probably remain in the top 10 for the next 50 years or so) probably evens it out.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 7, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how you said:
“Probably remain in the Top 10”
It’s amazing how short of a time period modern sports has been around, and amazing how it’s even shorter for deep record-keeping. In another hundred years, who knows what the record books will look like.
by tyger1147 on May 8, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phil jackson said
I think when he was inducted into the hall of fame (or some sort of award he recieved recently) that the nba really should consider making the regulation courts longer, the rims higher, the free and 3 point line further from the basket and prepare for upcoming generations. Lebron james and dwight howard are the first of many to come and at some point the design of teh game will not be enough for these future athletes.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 8, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those bulls teams had two great pgs
in Jordan and Pippen. Either one could run the offense. And don’t forget two all-star pf’s in Grant and Rodman. The key to a championship is to have players who can create their own shot and shoot a high percentage and teammates who play their roles and defense. Having a guy who can get his shot two feet from the bucket makes things a lot easier, but even Shaq and Penny/Kobe/Wade haven’t had the amount of success that Jordan and Pippen had
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on May 8, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
I agree and yet…i apologize….umm why did you write that to me as a reply??? Not that i dont enjoy that thought, i think it just caught me off guard since the post i made (that you replied to) was about the Generations of Players to come and how they will have freakish atlhetic ability as well as freakish skill and how phis jackson stated that the nba should change the dimensions of the game to keep the challenge for such players up. The next level has to remain the next level.
Sorry bullshooter, i was just sort of confused with your reply, maybe you replied to the wrong comment….maybe…
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.
by piccolomair on May 8, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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