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Bring me your screamers, your scowl-ers, your bulging-forehead-vein-ers

I shouldn't amend my rule of never taking Jay Mariotti seriously, let alone his dark apprentice, but Greg Couch's sentiment about some of the coaching candidates has been repeated several places:

If you throw away some pants because they don't look good on you, do you replace them by buying the exact same pants again?

When you fire Scott Skiles, search for his replacement for several months and then come up with Rick Carlisle as a lead candidate, what's the point? Carlisle's screaming had better sound different than Skiles' because the Bulls' ears are well-schooled in tuning that noise out.

Is it really whole 'styles' of coaches that should be avoided? Strangely enough, Couch advocates Jeff Van Gundy or Larry Brown as replacements, so even he is ok with someone with a disciplinarian rep.

Yes, the Bulls quit on Skiles, and similar outcomes happen often in the NBA. But that style also works, and the memory seems to be already forgotten that it once worked with the Bulls as well. So I don't think it's a case where the Bulls can't handle a coach like Scott Skiles. It just didn't work with Scott Skiles.

Plenty of other coaches have similar personas, yet as the details trickle out post-firing, Skiles has come off as not just a disciplinarian, but one whose actions at times were both inconsistent and petty (not to mention his staff of clowns. Sorry, I mean 'organizational guys!').

I'm not throwing my support behind Carlisle (I honestly have no idea who I prefer), but I won't rule him out just because he has a similar reputation as Skiles, and furthermore hiring Carlisle won't be an indication that parting ways (who quit when, anyway?) with Skiles was a mistake. As more details trickle out, it's looking like Skiles was truly a unique breed.

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not sure who deemed Carlisle the leading candidate

but unless it was a specific quote from Paxson, I am pretty sure he isn’t the leading candidate, just the only candidate that Paxson has talked to so far. If Paxson was that high on him being the next coach, he would already be hired. So it would seem the opposite is more likely, that Paxson isn’t that high on him being the next coach.

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2008 8:46 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

The press has to anoint whoever interviewed that day

as the leading candidate.

I think there’s a huge difference between Carlisle and Skiles. Skiles is one of the most sarcastic people I’ve ever heard (in person, that is, so all you here—and you know who you are—can rest easy).

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Apr 25, 2008 8:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree it's fishy if Pax hires Carlisle

since he’s been available this whole time. However it’s also possible that Paxson genuinely had no idea what direction he’d go in this coaching search, and Carlisle does have a decent resume that could be worth more than whatever ‘outside the box’ choice winds up having to offer.

And since Pax is falling deeper and deeper into Krausian paranoia, the ‘reports’ are all we have to go on.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2008 9:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Offense and player development!!!

Totally outside the box.

"I've got a class (coming in) here, we've got a chance to do some things." --Tom Izzo on why he might not consider the Bulls coaching vacancy.

by tyger1147 on Apr 25, 2008 9:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

heh.

well, ‘college coach’ (Izzo) or ‘career assistant’ (Thibedeau) was more what I meant. I.e. no head coaching experience.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Skiles' New Staff

ESPN.com has posted that Skiles expects to add Kelvin Sampson to his staff in Milwaukee. Sampson’s name has been mentioned along with Craig Neal from New Mexico and (Michael Jordan’s favorite) Joe Wolf. Does this mean that everyone’s favorite interim head coach will be out of a job next year, spoiling a triumphant return to Milwaukee? Maybe CSN can hire him to work with Kendall and Norm, you know, to get a coach’s perspective.

And then I would have to leave the country…taking only a backpack and Luke Stuckmeier with me.

by Gene Banks on Apr 25, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

not to mention

Ron Adams as well.

I honestly don’t care who returns from the current staff next season.

by NormVanBeer on Apr 25, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hilarious
There are several well-respected and available candidates, including Del Harris, Lionel Hollins and Jim Boylan, who was recently fired as interim head coach of the Chicago Bulls.

At least somebody still respects Boylan. None of his players obviously did.

by Big D on Apr 25, 2008 11:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i have no clue

how Boylan was as an assistant…but he obviously couldn’t have been any worse at being an assistant than he was as a head coach. I think he’s just one of those guys who should be an assistant for life.

by NormVanBeer on Apr 25, 2008 12:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I kind of got the idea,

from his humorous / ironic comments, that he was the nice guy, hard-working type (Pax’s ears prick up as I say that), but that he was just not the brightest guy.

I can imagine him interjecting with asinine comments at really tense moments and cracking up Skiles as Pete Myers wonders how that clown made it onto the coaching staff. (In a whisper, Ron Adams says to Skiles, “Should I kill him in his sleep like we discussed?” and Skiles says, “No, Jim’s ok. He makes us laugh—let’s let him live.” And Adams nods his head, “Of course…”)

I Boylan was given the chance at interim head coach because he was the “good cop” to Skiles’ bad cop.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Apr 26, 2008 5:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

thankfully

not only is Boylan considered likely still tagging along with Skiles, but maybe Ron Adams (a former Bucks assistant, dontya know) as well

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2008 9:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I hope Skiles hires Adams

The Bulls won’t dismiss him so anyone that will take him creates another opening for new blood with the club.

by NBA Observer on Apr 25, 2008 9:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It's very

interesting to me that Craig Neal’s name is thrown in there. Maybe things aren’t all hunky dorey with Steve Alford at NM. There’s not too much illegal stuff Kelvin can do in the NBA is there?

by sue369 on Apr 25, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Greg Popovich had him hanging around for a while

So I don’t think the NBA coaches particularly mind what he did, they know it’s a different breed in college.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 25, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I got that you want a Coachs perspective

But dont go off topic, what perspective would boylan bring?

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Apr 25, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

carlisle is not a bad choice

but i would honestly rather see pax pick the right guy for this bulls team, not the guy with the most impressive resume. If it turns out that the right guy is also the guy with the best resume, so be it. I would love paxson to take a chance on someone new to being a head coach who has a good head on his shoulders and demands respect. Thats what hurt skiles the most, he was such a sarcastic ass, and had a very dry sense of humor, i just dont think the young bulls were getting it, and taking everything skiles said or did personally. Younger players seem to have trouble tuning some stuff out(getting yelled at, yanked quickly, called out through the press) while at the same time focusing on what the coaching staff was trying to accomplish. Skiles wasn’t trying to be a dick, he is a dick, thats his personality, and some people dont get it. while being a dick, however, i never doubted for one second that he wanted to win and be successful in chicago. it just didnt work.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on Apr 25, 2008 12:59 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I actually like Skiles' personality a lot :)

just I can see why working for him would suck, and give the players some slack for turning on him.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2008 1:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

just saw what i think must be a new mj commercial

panning through his locker rooms, gyms, courts, etc. growing up. it is sweet. he narrates throughout and then it moves to him talking to a group of ballers. awesome. i love what his brand has done with their marketing.

by MarketMaker on Apr 25, 2008 5:18 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Flip Saunders?

It hit me tonight – the Pistons are going down and Saunders will get the axe.
Flip might bery well be the best coach for the bulls. His easy demeanor yet sucessfull resume might be the best coaching combination for the team.

It also dawned on me that an excellent destination for Larry Hughes would be the Hornets; the only questions is – what would they trade for him?

by ELVISJONG on Apr 25, 2008 9:17 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Suns are getting blown out tonight

A few days ago I would have figured there’s no way they’d fire D’Antoni, but if they get swept in the 1st round you really have to wonder. If he becomes available, the Bulls should do everything in their power to hire him.

by Big D on Apr 25, 2008 11:35 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

V_V;

My interest in the playoffs are decreasing with every game the Spurs win. This is not a good turn of events for me because I was living vicariously as a Bulls fan through the Suns. Still, if there is an upside like that I’d jump on it. So disappointing though. This whole season of basketball.

by cranscape on Apr 26, 2008 12:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

go Spurs

the better team is winning. It’s sure startling to see that Shaq can’t defend pick and roll. Nobody saw that coming.

most of it is just reactionary, but I’m a bit put off by the entitlement that Suns fans feel, and the adulation of Steve Kerr for being ‘bold’ without worrying if he actually knew what he was doing.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2008 1:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Funny thing about these Suns

The Suns won me over the past few years because I loved watching them play (just like how I enjoyed watching those Kings teams with J-Wil and CWebb). Problem is, they’re not even fun to watch anymore. For all the hype that the playoffs were getting this year, I gotta say that I’ve been pretty disappointed.

by paxson43 on Apr 26, 2008 1:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Game 1 was hard to live up to

Probably one of the best opening round playoff games ever. And the next 2 games should have been like that, too bad the Suns have players that absolutely choke against the Spurs (Barbosa, Diaw). I’m still not ready to write off the Shaq trade. A full year of him on the team will get them a better seed, so they can lose to SA in probably the 2nd or 3rd round.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2008 4:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wow, Matt.

Take it from me, after 40 years and zero titles, Suns fans certainly have no sense of entitlement whatsoever!

Maybe this impression comes from reading a few loudmouthed bloggers? But the coach has certainly been a big-mouth, what with his “We’re the better team” declaration.

by marionette on Apr 26, 2008 5:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't feel they are entitled to anything.

And it wouldn’t be the first time a good run of basketball comes to nothing at the end of five or so years. If you you want entitlement look to the Pistons. I just like the Suns and want them to see some success after being an entertaining (at least to me) and competitive team for a number of years. And I am a bit bitter with how things went down last year against the Spurs. It feels like the playoffs are pretty much turning into repeat of last year and since the finals last year were so extremely boring I am becoming decreasingly disinterested in this post season.

by cranscape on Apr 26, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

well, whatever the word is..

it’s that. referencing ‘what went down’ with the Spurs as some great injustice.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 26, 2008 12:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Bound and determined, are you?

Last year was one of those tooth and claw type match ups in the West where it is exhausting to watch and had so many foul ups that by the time it is over you feel horrible whatever the outcome. And since the East sucked it meant more to me than the championships. Right now I am burned out watching them play each other. I was burned out last year watching the Bulls play the Heat two playoffs in a row (though it was nice to beat them that second year) . So yeah, the Suns are not playing will and deserve to lose. The fact I am watching them lose to the Spurs, who are on my top three most annoying teams in the NBA regardless of who they are playing…bah.

Though it should be noted, if the Spurs end up matched against the Pistons it will be the whiniest championship series on record. I’d hate to be those refs.

by cranscape on Apr 26, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hillarious, Big D some still respect Boylan

It has been said there are no stupid questions, but this proves there are stupid people. After all, Cleveland actually traded for Ben Wallace to help their title push..ROFLMAO.

ESPN the magazine quoted an NBA scout saying the Bulls regressed under Boylan, I would say he was to the Bulls what Katrina was to New Orleans. I hope Skyles doesn’t forget his old buddies, the 3 hoop stooges (Jimbo, Ronnie and Pete) and takes this sorry trio to Milwaukee so we can get a hat trick for making a clean sweep of all of this year’s garbage.

I know Scottie Pippen has had some issues and has no experience but I would love to see him join the Bull’s staff as an assistant. Phil Jackson said he had the highest basketball IQ of anyone he ever coached, possessing instant recall of previous plays giving him the ability to quickly adjust to game situations. He sounds to me like someone who could propel our bigs into big league players after being dragged through the quicksand by the previous regime. Give Thibedau the head coaching job to instantly improve the defense and hire a former head coach who would settle for being an assistant to get him over the rough spots. The Bulls save money and everyone is reinvigorated, including the new coaches who are motivated to prove their mettle since they already understand what it takes to win in the NBA.

by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 26, 2008 2:48 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

In my mind, what stands out about Pippen

more than anything else, are his poor people skills. I don’t think there’s any way in the world he’s head coaching material. He’d alienate every player on the team before the end of training camp.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Apr 26, 2008 7:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree 100%

He’s always had the problem of never being as suave with words. I like to think that people can change, and that if he were to become an assistant somewhere and spend a few years learning the ropes, his stock would rise tremendously. Unless Pip is going to get lucky like Bird and land a job with some great assistants, he has to learn how to keep certain things private, especially about the roster he wants to coach.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2008 12:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Agree 100%

Pippen is a mess with his finances and doesn’t seem to be good relating to people. He is a disaster waiting to happen as a coach.

by chgobr on Apr 26, 2008 7:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Tremendously OT

But it’s always a cause for celebration when the 1 title=dynasty Detroit Pistons lose a playoff game by 20 :)

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2008 4:33 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

re Pippen would be a disaster because of his mouth, lack of people skills

and screwing up his finances. Sounds like a perfect fit for the Bulls since this would be familiar territory to those who worked under the previous regime. He would be hired for his basketball smarts, not his ability to take over as Federal Reserve Chairman. Was he wrong when he said Tyrus is great from the neck down, or Kirk is not a good point guard and Ben G shoots to much?

If he could transfer some of his vast bball knowledge to Tyrus, Thabo and Noah, how could this be a disaster any worse than it already is? He would be an assistant, not the chief honcho, which I agree, would be a train wreck without having prior experience. If it doesn’t work out, he could be shown the door. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. He came from a small town (Tyrus could relate), played hard at both ends (Noah would respect that) and was a winner (Top 50 players of All Time). Who do you think the young guys would more readily listen to? Ron Adams, Jim Boylan, Bozo the Clown or Scottie Pippen? I say give him a chance to fail or succeed. Hopefully he has matured somewhat and his past indiscretions have taught him some lessons which he can also share with our youthful team. If he has his ego in check, the teaching he is capable of imparting could be very rewarding to everyone, including himself.

by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 27, 2008 4:05 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I can hear that conversation now...

“Look, Tyrus, you could be good. But you’re stupid. So play smarter.”

Is that a step up from play harder, or play with more energy?

My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!

by wjb1492 on Apr 28, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

LOL

Now Skiles gets to destroy his old team 4 times a year. The Bucks are more athletic and better on offense. They will dominate the Bulls, who are sinking lower and lower by the hour.

by Eon_blue on Apr 27, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Oh, crap.

Skiles. Yi. Charlie V.

by McCabe on Apr 28, 2008 9:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

hehe

Skiles AND Boylan may get to do that (or not).

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=744595

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Apr 30, 2008 4:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs



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