McGraw's Celtics-Lite plan for the Bulls
McGraw takes a crack at some deals the Bulls could make this summer to mix things up. Three moves:
1) Trade some combo of Tyrus/Gooden/Noah for Emeka Okafor. McGraw suggests that MJ might be willing to help out his former team while swapping for cheaper contracts
2) Kirk + Ced Simmons + PeeOn for Michael Redd. He thinks either Mo Williams or Redd are out of Milwaukee in the offseason
3) Bulls pick up Roger Mason Jr. (??) as a free agent to run the point with Gordon
Frankly, I'm not enthused about adding Okafor or Redd to the Bulls and relying on a Mason Jr./Gordon combo at PG would be a disaster. I hope Pax has better options than this over the summer. If not, I hope he's smart enough to just stay pat.
EDIT: Roger Mason Jr.'s line from tonight's game: 18 pts (8/14)/2 rebs/0 TO/2 stl leading to a +19 for the game. Maybe he did get a little better.
UPDATE - 4/25/08: McGraw's part 2 covers the PG situation (consider trading Noc for TJ Ford or the no. 9 for Lowry), adding depth to the front court (DeSagana Diop ?!!?!?!) and the lack of "stars" available.
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I doubt the Bulls have the resources to get Emeka and Redd
nor do I think trading and paying for both is a good idea. Redd is already overpaid, and Okafor will be overpaid. I’d still take one of them, if that one of them is Redd, and Larry Hughes is part of the trade package. Okafor finally played a whole season, and only racked up 18 win shares. Gooden can have the same or better impact.
by hscs on Apr 24, 2008 8:06 AM CDT 0 recs
Trade practicalites and desirability aside,
I’m just glad someone is still writing about basketball. Apparently the Trib eliminated offseason Bulls coverage along with Sam?
My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!
by wjb1492 on Apr 24, 2008 9:38 AM CDT 0 recs
KC's putting in work
He’s not making up trades like Sam would, but there’s been daily updates on the coaching search.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Apr 24, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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2.0 Tags
Just an FYI. When tagging your posts (and I appreciate it especially since I still haven’t gotten used to it), if you type in the full player name, there is an ‘auto-complete’ feature (I doubt Mike McGraw has one, maybe if we tag it enough…)
Also, if you’re tagging a player or team, there’s ‘official’ tags that you can put in instead of typing up the name. I’m not sure what use they are besides bringing up a pretty privative player profile, though.
I dunno, I tried messing around with this one just to see what’s what. We’ll see how useful it gets over time.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 24, 2008 9:53 AM CDT 0 recs
Looking back at the great Okafor/Howard draft debate
that at the time was pretty nearly 50/50, I wonder what it was that people missed about Howard that was there, or saw in Okafor that wasn’t.
Was it mostly that Howard was young and untested? As far as Okafor is concerned, he looks to be pretty much the same player today that he was coming out of UConn—nice, active defender, a little stiff on offense. I don’t see him as an upgrade over any of our front line.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
by alec on Apr 24, 2008 10:10 AM CDT 0 recs
it's because it's in ESPN's interest
to prop up the college game. So you had buffoons like Dick Vitale telling us how important it was the Okafor was experienced, played under the great Jim Calhoun, etc.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Apr 24, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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I must be forgetting somebody
but Howard and Stoudemire are the only high school big man who has made the leap in the last few years, right?
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on
Apr 24, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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Bynum was drafted in 2005
Lil' Jon, he always tells the truth.
by upther on
Apr 24, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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I'm not sure he's taken the leap yet
He’s had half a good season so far.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on
Apr 24, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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I thought the 'leap'
was from high school to the NBA. Like, “He leaped over Coach K’s rat claws.”
by hscs on
Apr 24, 2008 10:51 AM CDT
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that's definitely one interpretation
and is consistent with the Robert Smith comment.
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on
Apr 24, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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David West in 2003
He isn’t in the realm of Howard and Amare, but he is certainly a 20/10 player for years to come.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on
Apr 24, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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David West went to Xavier.
If you’re unaware, it’s a Jesuit university in Cincinnati.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
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by snley on
Apr 24, 2008 10:34 AM CDT
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Obviously I fail at reading comprehension
I didn’t notice the high school in the originial post, which makes my post completely irrelevant. Good day.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Apr 24, 2008 10:37 AM CDT
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not really
One has to average 10 rebounds per game to do that. And he went to college.
Andray Blatche was selected out of high school in 2005.
by hscs on
Apr 24, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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Other bigs that made the HS leap
Al Jefferson
Amir Johnson
by NBA Observer on
Apr 25, 2008 8:36 AM CDT
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I wouldn't put Amir Johnson in that list yet either
2008 or bust.
by bullshooter on
Apr 25, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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For what reasons?
He made the leap to the NBA, but his game isn’t anywhere close to Howard or Jefferson?
Maybe I just misunderstood what you meant by leap.
by NBA Observer on
Apr 25, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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Isn't that the Bulls draft credo?
Drafting people who were highly successful in college? That’s why we have Gordon and Deng as a combo, instead of say Shaun Livingston and Iguodola/Josh Smith. Dwight Howard obviously was harkening comparisons to Kwame Brown, there was a bit of trepidation in picking him. Remember, there were people who said picking Yao Ming would be an absolute disaster.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Apr 24, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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Would certainly rather have Livingston's destroyed knees myself.
The guy’s career is probably over, not that he was really coming close to realizing his potential to begin with.
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by snley on
Apr 24, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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I'd rather have Gordon
And his realized ceiling as a player than the tantalizing “what-ifs” of Livingston.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on
Apr 24, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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Maybe my reading comprehension is off.
Your previous comment sounded like you were pining for Livingston and Igoudala or Smith instead of Gordon and Deng.
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by snley on
Apr 24, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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I was just questioning what Matt said about Vitale
Regarding the Emeka/Dwight debate in 2004. Gordon was well thought of by Paxson because he was very successful at UConn, same story for Deng. So, the Bulls were following the same concepts of “experience” as well, rather than taking the gambling approach of 2001 and drafting on potential. Livingston, Smith, and Iguodola were all available, but we picked Deng and Gordon because they were the more successful college players. I really didn’t care for Livingston, my hopes were for Iggy and Deng as a combo at the time.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on
Apr 24, 2008 10:51 AM CDT
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May just be a reaction
to taking a high schooler, another high schooler, Fizer, and one year college player like Crawford.
Deng only played a year of college ball, Thomas was at LSU for two years but only played one. He red shirted the other year.
by NBA Observer on
Apr 25, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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In fairness
Curry, Chandler and Kwame Brown were also recent memories. Darko was basically a high schooler since he was only 12 years old the year before.
by Sports2 on
Apr 24, 2008 11:16 AM CDT
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I think Okafor just needs a decent center
with some offensive skills. Jordan was trying to do that earlier in the season by acquiring Nazr Mohammed and giving up Walter Hermann and Primoz Brezec.
Acquiring Okafor is just as difficult as trying to move Deng or Gordon this Summer. All these players declined contract extensions last Summer.
The Bobcats need point guard help and probably need to move one of their wing players. Felton hasn’t been effective as a point guard so they’ve been playing him at the 2 as a combo guard. That hasn’t worked much better. So between the 2 and 3 they have Felton, Richardson, Carroll, Morrison, Wallace, Dudley, and Derek Anderson.
Looking over their roster they look just like us. Not enough strength in the front court, little to no point guards that will distribute, and a logjam of wing players.
by NBA Observer on
Apr 25, 2008 8:28 AM CDT
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Agree and disagree
They’ve got two guys that can drive to the basket in JRich and Gerald Wallace.
We’ve got a bunch of guys that shoot jumpers and move without the ball. And Hughes, who just sucks anymore.
I actually think they’ve got one of the league’s stronger frontcourts. I Okafor and Nazr are both big, strong guys. I think the problem is they’re not very athletic.
So you’ve got a really weird mix of guys. They could use a guy like Thomas in the frontcourt and a guy like Deng or Gordon to go with Wallace or Richardson.
We could use a guy like Wallace or JRich, but I’d really like either of them at their pay grade. Okafor would be a pretty good complement to any two of our three guys up front (Noah, Thomas, Gooden) but not at the price he’s likely to cost.
Like, in my mind I can imagine some kind of big trade that arranges the parts better.
Bulls get Okafor, JRich
Bobcats get Tyrus, Hughes, Nocioni
Or something along those lines…
But would we really be inspired by a lineup of
1/2-Kirk, Gordon
2/3-JRich, Thabo
3/4-Deng
4/5-Noah, Okafor, Gooden
+ our draft pick?
That looks like the solidest but least spectacularest bunch of very good college players around.
by Sports2 on
Apr 25, 2008 1:37 PM CDT
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Re: Roger Mason Jr.'s Improvement...
...if you look at the Wizard’s players many of them have vastly improved their shooting percentages (Roger Mason has increased his almost 10% over last year from about 33% to 43% and from like 32% to 39% from 3) and their FT shooting percentages. I’ve read and seen a few pieces on TV attributing this improvement to the Wizards hiring a shooting coach, Dave Hopla. Given the Bulls shooting woes this season, might it not be worthwhile to consider bringing someone in to work with the guys on their shots on a consistent basis. Hopla is locked up to the Wiz, but surely there are other shooting coaches out there that the Bulls could add to the staff to help TT, Noah, and Thabo develop greater consistency on their jumpers (and in the case of the bigs their FTs).
I guess it’s just as likely that Mason Jr. just finally got “it” this year, but I tend to believe that improved shooting / confidence resulting from having regular feedback on his shot had much to do with it. As has been mentioned before, confidence in one’s abilities makes a huge difference in performance.
by fundamentallysound on Apr 24, 2008 11:48 PM CDT 0 recs
This is a good point
Gilbert Arenas brings up Hopla occasionally in his blog for NBA.com to praise him for helping Arenas.
Also, when you’re playing the season knowing that Gilbert Arenas isn’t going to enter any games I think this makes the roster want to improve their shooting. Remove the player the takes the most shots, makes the most shots, and the rest of the team MUST improve their shooting to take advantage of the ball movement that will ensue as result of it not stopping at Gilbert Arenas.
by NBA Observer on
Apr 25, 2008 8:33 AM CDT
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Can we do a legitimate blockbuster with a legit superstar involved?
Not this nickel and dime marginal upgrade that still gets you eliminated in the second round of the East.
Has Baron Davis fallen out of favor with Nellie and Golden State? He still wants more money right? And isn’t Monta Ellis up for a big deal now, too? I think they have to ship Baron. Can the Bulls do a sign-and-trade involving Gordon, Ty Thomas, and a player still to be determined based on what Gordon’s deal ends up being, for B Diddy and Biedrins? I don’t know if Golden State would want to pair Gordon with Ellis neither being a PG, but it seems like Baron is on the way out the door. I think Nellie would love Ty.
I also still like the previously proposed deal involving Nocioni and Gooden for Lamar Odom, assuming there would be interest on LA’s end.
by messwiththebull on Apr 24, 2008 11:49 PM CDT 0 recs
on the bigs...
Al Jefferson, and as it turns out, if we had drafted him, we could have KG now! more seriously, I’m still a Tyson fan so I’ll count him. and then, if we can package Hughes and a pick or Gooden and get Okafor, I’d do it, we would have a much better chance of trading him later. didn’t Larry used to be on team Jordan? and anyway, Larry’s a better bad pg than Felton. If we accept that Gordon is currently difficult to replace, then maybe trying out Okafor and seeing if their preexisting relationship invigorates them both is worth a shot. obviously not all the same things that worked for them in college will work in the pros, but theoretically some of them will.
truth be told, neither Redd nor Okafor is the kind of talent that will really change the game for us, if we’re committed to developing our young bigs, which I’m not sure we are, and have existing concerns about perimeter defense, which I’m sure we do.
but hey, they’re both good character guys, and I heard we value that.
I’m trying to get some of the snark out, but finding it difficult…
um ok, so I think we may have realized that the only bonafide #1 guy talentwise, who may be availabe is Gil, and nobody even knows whether he’s serious about taking less, whether DC is trying to keep him, or if he’ll ever be who he used to be.
I know Iguodala just had that horrible game 2, and he’s not a #1, but I honestly think he could be a legit #1.5 and with a couple of those, a good coach and our old defensive mentality, we could be winning team again.
I think we have to really address Hughes before we can get much better though, and I’d be down to sign BG and deng to qualifying offers so we can dramatically restructure a year from now.
by Sko on Apr 25, 2008 12:51 AM CDT 0 recs
and honestly
consistent lineups and a good coach might get us to the playoffs next year, esp if we play a style that maximizes our talents
by Sko on Apr 25, 2008 1:40 AM CDT 0 recs
but
I will put in a plug for Pietrus again, and hope that somebody really wants Ben, and we can sign and trade for 1 or 2 decent pieces in return.
by Sko on Apr 25, 2008 1:47 AM CDT 0 recs
Okafor intrigues me - but oh that contract extension!
The more I follow the NBA the less I like long-term contracts. Very few players produce in the long-term. These long-term deals can be a root-cause to mediocrity or worse.
by chgobr on Apr 25, 2008 10:50 AM CDT 0 recs
NBA is the only league of the big three with contract length limits.
Of course, NFL contracts aren’t guaranteed and are constantly renegotiated, so it’s not like many of them actually last the original length of the contract. The problem isn’t the contract length or even amount. The problem is that too many teams give too much money or too many years to the wrong players. Even with the great constraints placed on them by the ridiculous salary cap rules, NBA GM’s just make a lot of mistakes when it comes to contracts (e.g. Noce, Rashard Lewis).
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on
Apr 25, 2008 10:55 AM CDT
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