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Skiles accepts Milwaukee Job

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Just a verbal agreement but the off-season has begun. Skiles has agreed to be the Bucks next head coach. I wonder if he'll take Boylan with him to Milwaukee (he did play at Marquette).

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3356713

Apparently he's agreed to coach and all that's left is the financial aspects of a deal so that's one less vacancy out there for whomever Paxson wanted. I don't think Skiles would've ever seriously considered taking the Knicks job with Curry AND Crawford out there. The article mentions it, but in case anyone didn't want to read the whole thing. Skiles was drafted by the Bucks originally in 1986.

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I'd be

surprised if Boylan doesn’t join him in Milwaukee.

by sue369 on Apr 21, 2008 10:27 AM CDT   0 recs

i'd be surprised

if Boylan can find MIlwaukee

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Apr 21, 2008 10:29 AM CDT   0 recs

re Boylan

Since he couldn’t find his ass with both hands while here in Chicago, why would you be surprised if he couldn’t find Milwaukee? I would be even more surprised if the gopher could spell Milwaukee, but if we’re really lucky, the control freak Skiles will take Adams and the other assistants with him, thus assuring job security since there will be noone working under him that could ever pose a replacement threat if the Bucks continue to falter.

I think Skiles will get them to play harder and smarter and if the Bulls don’t get a decent coach, the Bucks could surpass them, not a great accomplishment.

by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 21, 2008 4:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Adams is

staying with the Bulls organization.

by sue369 on Apr 21, 2008 4:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Adams was a Bulls Hire

not a Skiles hire.
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/adams_030716.html

Paxson has stated that Adams, Mike Wilhelm and Pete Myers will be reassigned within the organization. It’s not clear if any of them will have a courtside seat as a coach in the next administration.

by NBA Observer on Apr 22, 2008 9:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bulls

are now off the hook for some salary owed to Skiles?

by exult463 on Apr 21, 2008 10:33 AM CDT   0 recs

I'd bet my house on it

Where’s Market Maker when you need him?

When a coach makes a lateral move (head coach to head coach, as opposed to head coach to assistan), it cancels all prior obligations of his former employer. The league can’t have a head coach getting paid by the team he’s playing against that night.

Also, the Bulls come out pretty sweet on this deal. They paid Skiles for the duration of the season and only paid Boylan his normal assistant’s salary. The Bulls didn’t take on one penny more of a financial obligation for this mess.

by alec on Apr 21, 2008 11:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Great!

I’m really happy for bilionaire Reinsdorf and the rest of the corporation he works with.

Considering NONE of this has ANY effect on the Bulls player salary cap, we should all be hoping that that the Bulls pay through the nostrils when they force us to watch idiots like Boylan all season.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

at least you're spelling KEA's name right

Ownership saving money just means more resources for getting a real coach. The only idiots are the people who willingly pay to see Boylan coach, Nocioni growl, and complain about the outcome.

by hscs on Apr 21, 2008 11:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you really think the Bulls...

Don’t have massive amounts of resources already?

This isn’t Memphis were talking about.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have no idea how much the Bulls are willing to spend v. what they can spend, and neither do you

But it’s good that they’ll likely have more to pay for an entirely new coaching staff.

by hscs on Apr 21, 2008 11:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You completely missed my point...

But I’m glad that you can rest easy knowing Reinsdorf’s money is safe after this coaching debacle.

Personally I don’t think money will be a factor when choosing a coach, it’ll likely be the fact that the Bulls don’t have a very good team right now.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 12:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the Bulls need an entireley new staff

and Paxson’s recent comments didn’t intimate he’s going to keep what’s left on the bench, and armed with clipboards. A new coach could have a Nellie-sized bench of underlings, and the Bulls should be investing in infrastructure to solve the players-hate-the-org problem they’ve had for the past decade.

I don’t care how much money Reinsdorf saves. Skiles savings are only relevant to offseason spending.

by hscs on Apr 21, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I buy that...

I just can’t shake the image of Reisdorf laughing at us all as it works out for him in the end.

You are probably right though.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 12:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

they gave Boylan an increase

when he took the head coaching job. And I’m pretty sure they’re paying Boylan’s salary next year, too, if he chose not to get another job.

by KT on Apr 21, 2008 1:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m sure I saw a report

that said the Bulls kept Boylan on his assistant’s salary. Don’t remember where I saw it. Maybe it was in a dream. Anybody else remember seeing that?

by alec on Apr 21, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

KC reported it last week

Boylan was promoted to “interim head coach” but his salary remained at “assistant head coach”.

by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2008 2:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

KC disagrees

Or fails to follow-up:

The Bucks made their offer tough to beat, fully guaranteeing $18 million to Skiles, who is still owed $6 million from the Bulls.

That just doesn’t make sense. Although maybe such a rule only applies to players.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 22, 2008 9:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I rescind my offer.

I’ve given away too many houses already…maybe MM already owns one of ‘em.

But I will try to folow that up.

by alec on Apr 22, 2008 9:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK

just put a call in to Waddle. Their producer is going to check it out and they’ll bring it up later on the show. I probably won’t be listening, but if anyone catches it…fill us in. Thanks.

by alec on Apr 22, 2008 9:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just called their show to get the ball rolling

Their producer is giong to fact-check it. I fugure they have better contacts into that sort of thing than I do.

by alec on Apr 22, 2008 9:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

during Kobe trade hysteria

They didn’t even know salaries have to match to make a trade.

by hscs on Apr 22, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it's starting to make sense

I recall Riley was trying to get out of paying the handsome Van Gundy, or stop him from coaching in Orlando due to some far-from-bulletproof non-compete clause in his contract.

by hscs on Apr 22, 2008 9:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

heh, Riles

I don’t remember this, but maybe Riles was just trying to use the NY Jets argument when they traded Belichek, an assistant coach, to the Patriots. Belichek was under contract to the Jets though as an active coach. Van Gundy was just reassignd in the Heat organization.

by NBA Observer on Apr 22, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm probably wrong

Billy Donovan was supposed to sign a 5 year non-compete with Orlando, then scurried back to college, Van Gundy was a Heat consultant with 1 year left on his contract, and Riley was seeking draft picks from the Magic as compensation for losing Van Gundy.

by hscs on Apr 22, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It seems the Heat did get draft selections
He was under contract with the Heat for another year, and the Magic had to give Miami one of its three second round picks in the upcoming draft, No. 39. The Heat also have the option of switching first-round picks with Orlando next year, but not if the Magic have a lottery pick. In that case, they could take a second-round selection or other compensation.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2895929

by NBA Observer on Apr 22, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Belichek had been named Jets head coach and then rescinded before going to the Pats.

NFL rules don’t allow an organization to prevent a coach from accepting a position with another team if that job is regarded as a promotion.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 22, 2008 10:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ahh, forgot that detail

of Belichek being named head coach of the Jets.

by NBA Observer on Apr 22, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This should be interesting

I kind of think it will be fun to see how the Bucks respond to him. And now we’ll find out how true it is that all his former players strongly want to kick his new team’s butt, right? Only the Bulls won’t be on the receiving end finally.

My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!

by wjb1492 on Apr 21, 2008 10:35 AM CDT   0 recs

he'll get them to play defense, and they need to

I wonder if the new GM learned a lesson from Skiles’ Bulls days and not give him too much input on personnel

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 21, 2008 10:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

To the extent they're capable of it?

Hasn’t that been the plan with each and every recent Bucks’ hire?

My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!

by wjb1492 on Apr 21, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Seems like a good fit for him.

There’s a lot of worthless crap on the roster right now, but there’s enough good pieces for Skiles to work with and get them into at least the playoffs. Despite how terrible this year was, I still have a great deal of respect for Skiles and wish he wasn’t staying in the division.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 21, 2008 10:35 AM CDT   0 recs

I'd be surprised

If Yi and whatever their new lottery pick is get more than 20 minutes a game.

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 21, 2008 10:36 AM CDT   0 recs

i hope

this doesn’t mean carlisle is headed for the bulls. i don’t mind him but i don’t think he’s what we need right now.

by Jaina on Apr 21, 2008 11:05 AM CDT   0 recs

Odds have increased

by mere subtraction of the Bucks vacancy which Carlisle was reported to be a potential candidate.

Sam Smith infers that he’d like D’Antoni in Chicago. This would be one coach that could spin our roster to play an effective uptempo offense where our defensive lapses are covered up by additional free throw attempts and using our legs to whip teams on the break and in transition.

He’s got a job though, but for how long? D’Antoni didn’t help himself on Saturday.

by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2008 11:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Suns actually attempted fewer free throws than the Bulls this year.

It was only a difference of 50, but it seems larger when you consider the Suns averaged nearly 4 more possessions per game.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 21, 2008 11:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's because...

They were busy running past everyone. Most of they year they had no idea what a half court set was. Now, If they had Shaq all year they would have averaged more FT’s… Of course that has nothing to do with D’Antoni though.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, the Denver Nuggets played at an even faster pace than the Suns

and led the NBA in free throw attempts by over 200. I was even kind enough to link to basketball-reference. Return the kindness and actually look for a little support before making another one of your asinine comments.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 21, 2008 12:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow...

What did I possibly say to upset you so much?

I still stand behind my comment, and didn’t even think I was disagreeing with you, but if you want to be a jerk about it that’s fine.

Have a nice day.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 12:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh wait, I just read your signature...

Now I know we would never get along.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 12:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was a little harsh, but I'm normally annoyed by many of your comments.

It seemed you tried to brush off the Suns attempting fewer free throws than the Bulls on the pace that they played. I was just pointing out that the Nuggets played at an even faster pace and led the NBA in FTA’s, trying to refute your point.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 21, 2008 12:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, and about the signature, it's there because I like the quote not just because who said it.

I’m a Libertarian with many friends who are Socialists, Christian Conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, and other. If you want to write me off because I like a quote from Reagan, that’s your problem.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 21, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't want to argue politics...

On a Bulls blog site with you.

I’m fairly certain there are plenty of reasons why you and I would never get along… But I’m positive I could whip you in a game of 1 on 1 :P

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A lot of people

don’t seem to get along with you all the time. I doubt they can all be Reaganites. Just chill out and try not to take offense at everything. And certainly don’t use it as a smoke screen against someone actually having a point against you such as snley. Give him credit for the Nuggets comment and move on.

by cranscape on Apr 21, 2008 1:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's kind of hard to hear the point...

When somebody is calling you an ass.

Fair enough, people don’t like me, I’ll live, but don’t tell me that I’m being anymore abrasive by objecting.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 1:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He said your

comment was “asinine”. Aka, that your comment was foolish and uninformed. Look up definition 1 of the word. Not that you, literally, are an ass. If he meant that he would have said, “You are an ass.” People on these boards are pretty direct when calling each other asses. He wasn’t so he didn’t. :)

by cranscape on Apr 21, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's such a backhanded apology...

Why not just say “I was harsh this time, but it’s warranted because normally you are an ass”.

If what I say bothers you I’d rather you just don’t respond at all.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Being somewhat of an expert at apologies

—well, at least having had a lot of practice at making them—I would say that snley’s statement did actually follow accepted apology form.

There’s a new form of non-apology apology that has crept into the language (surprise—it derives from politics) that goes like this: "I’m sorry you feel that way."

The difference between snley’s apology and this new form is that snley is actually taking responsibility for the effects of his remarks, rather than blaming the effects on a deficiency in the hearer.

When you hear a politician make an apology, keep your ears tuned for this distinction. I think you’ll find that they almost never really apologize for anything.

by alec on Apr 21, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You crack me up Alec...

That really is a compliment.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's hard to look at this stuff

in isolation. For example, when AI left Philly he took his 800 free throws with him to Denver. He didn’t reclaim all 800 (only 700), of course, because he now has to fight with Melo for the ball. But the thing is, they are each among the most aggressive players in the league at taking the ball to the basket and drawing fouls.

My point is that yes Denver plays at a fast pace, but how many of their foul shots derive from pace and how many derive from personnel?

by alec on Apr 21, 2008 12:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Absolutely alec, there's very different types of players and systems in the NBA.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 21, 2008 12:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes...

Denver plays at a high pace, but they also attack the basket in the half court set.

They have good offensive balance on that team.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 12:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The suns attack the rim too...

Usually with a pick and roll to Amare.

But they also have good jump shooters and usually score before 3 seconds run off the shot clock.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 12:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't some of these stats correct for pace?

I’m watching ABC show me Denver’s league leading blocks and steals on display against the Lakers yesterday and it’s all because Denver has more possessions than everyone they face.

I’m only going to be able to follow about half of these stats. Once you start throwing these out in every reply in ends up producing a robotic conversation.

by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2008 12:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just look to offensive and defensive rating.

Those give you the number of points scored/allowed per 100 possessions. If you really wanted to break down further on say blocks/possession, just figure out the number of defensive possessions a team has played in a season and use that number to divide the number of blocks. You’re right, it’s getting a little tired. It’s just, when I read some of these comments you or others make, I like to verify them as best I can. I was curious about how many FT’s the Suns shot and decided to check it out. I should give credit where credit is due though. John Hollinger has contrasted the Suns and the relative lack of FT’s in their games to the Jazz and the overabundance of FT’s in their games. I knew the Suns didn’t commit fouls that much, but I didn’t realize how infrequently they were fouled themselves.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 21, 2008 1:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's going to be humiliating...

if the Bucks finish ahead of the Bulls in the Central next season.

But at least I can look forward to thirty minutes of Drew Gooden every night. Thank God.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 21, 2008 11:36 AM CDT   0 recs

I wonder who will be the first Bucks player

to receive the full brunt of the ‘Skile’s Scowl’. My money is Charlie Villanueva.

by RogersPark Kris on Apr 21, 2008 11:48 AM CDT   0 recs

My money is on Redd

Underized shooting guard who doesn’t play defense and has no passing skills? Sound familiar? Maybe Skiles will decide to bring Redd off the bench….

On the plus side, maybe Skiles will demand that the Bucks trade for Nocioni

by shoryuken on Apr 21, 2008 12:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They will

Just take Bobby Simmons and they’ll take Nocioni.

by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2008 12:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd take that trade...

I liked Simmons when he played at DePaul, and obviously he was solid a couple years back (most improved player).

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's part of the problem

The year we had makes trading Nocioni for Bobby Simmons, his big contract, and his health look like a good trade.

by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2008 1:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's kind of a wash...

They both have big contracts and past health issues.

But Bobby Simmons at 10.5 mil through 2009 feels better than Nocioni at 7+ mil through 2012.

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 21, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The trade helps them more than us

Both clubs have a hard time telling which players are 3s and which ones are 4s.

by NBA Observer on Apr 21, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What kinda small lineups can Skiles go to?

Williams, Bell, Redd, Villanueva and Bogut

by Option27 on Apr 21, 2008 12:10 PM CDT   0 recs

You beat me to it!

How long before you see Redd playing the four?

by OldSkoolSloan on Apr 21, 2008 1:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bucks fan

hope to see Redd playing somewhere else. Seriously. He and Skiles will class eventually, because Redd has a habit of ignoring his coaches and then lying about it. “Yay, Larry told me to jack up that stupid shot, it’s all his fault.”

by KT on Apr 21, 2008 1:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it's almost certain they will clash

Skiles is all about defense!

Redd is about chucking up crazy shots (which he makes most of the time)

by Option27 on Apr 21, 2008 4:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You wonder what Hammond is thinking

Not that hiring Skiles was a bad selection. I think it was good. I just look at the Bucks and see even greater looming questions from that roster than when Phoenix made Skiles the head coach and when Chicago hired him.

It’s obvious by now that Skiles can get average defenders to play collectively as a unit to become above average defenders. His teams are almost always in the top 10 in defensive ratings. Naturally, his offensive ratings are in the bottom 10. He sounds like a candidate for the triangle offense.

The Bucks have a lot of shooters that aren’t really interested in playing defense. Redd, Williams, and Villanueva could all drop 30 points on any given night, but they cannot stop or limit anyone. As a unit, they might have better luck, but Krystowiak said that was almost impossible to accomplish. He’d see it in practice and it would rarely show up in games.

by NBA Observer on Apr 22, 2008 8:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not sure how good of a fit

Skiles in Milwaukee will be. He can’t run the motion offense with that roster, it’d be a waste of big man talent. They need to dump the ball in to Bogut. They’d be a better fit for the triangle than the motion offense. But they will play better defense next year.

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on Apr 21, 2008 12:22 PM CDT   0 recs

One would think Carlisle

would have been a much better fit.

But I like the Buck’s personnel, and I think Skiles may be thinking he can turn them around much more quickly than some of the other open coaching situations.

by alec on Apr 21, 2008 12:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Plus, I don't think we know

how well the Bucks can play ‘D’. Is it the personnel or the coaching that made Chicago an elite defensive team during the Skiles era? This season will tell us a lot.

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Apr 21, 2008 2:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Overall this is a really good

decision for Skiles. He isn’t out of the game for too long. By telling the Bulls that the team needed a new voice, he avoided a lot more losses and therefore his overall coaching record stayed a little closer to .500.

By getting back in it, he may give up a payday from the Bulls, but he also gets a hugely underachieving team, a team more underachieving and more dysf