Open Game Thread #81: Bulls at Milwaukee Bucks

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 6:40 PM CDT in News

I know I made the joke somewhere else in this space before that the Bulls weren't going to catch the Bucks at this brief tank-a-thon because the Bucks have so much more practice.

And with a new GM and a completely mucked-up salary structure, Milwaukee will likely be looking to make some major changes in the offseason. As in 'might even consider taking Larry Hughes' type changes.

They do have pseudo-star Michael Redd, who is better currently than anyone on this squad, but is also turning 29 by the start of next season and therefore likely won't be a part of the next great Milwaukee Bucks team. I'd imagine the Bucks would be willing to do a move similar to what the Sonics did with Ray Allen: take on an equally crappy contract in a worse player, but for shorter years, along with 'assets'. For Allen, the Sonics received Wally Szczerbiak (1 year shorter deal), with the assets being the #5 pick and Delonte West. I'd think starting offer for Redd (who's younger and owed less, but for more seasons, than Allen was) would be Hughes and #8, but then you could really expand the deal considering the contracts both teams may want to unload, and other fun things the Bulls could throw in (like Thabo).

I'm not even sure I'd want to acquire Redd, even though he may be a maxed-out Ben Gordon, he's also getting paid more than Gordon will likely (as if I have a clue) ask for and you're getting his end-post-prime seasons whereas Ben's best is yet to come. Plus there's the sticky issue of committing max dollars into that magical summer of 2010 when James/Wade/Bosh are free agents. And the issue of committing max dollars to anyone who really doesn't deserve it. But it did get Hughes out of town, didn't it?

Think of that instead of this stanky tanky game. I'll collect your sheets at the end of class.

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Hughes for Redd

I'd do, but after that............

And this thread is better than mine.

I can see this game, so I'll be watching for the last gasp of the year. I was going to see it in person, but work interfered.

by KT on Apr 14, 2008 6:53 PM CDT 0 recs

Micheal Redd is not the answer

Redd is a great scorer but not a great player, ala Ben Gordon. He has a reputation as a poor passer and is always assigned the opponents weakest offensive threat on defense. The Bulls might as well just resign Gordon (5 years younger) who will not demand as great a salary. Now if we could dump Hughes for him, than this may be a decent move, but why would the Bucks do something so stupid?

Getting Bogut would be a worthwhile pursuit, but what could we offer to make this scenario plausible?

by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 14, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up 0 recs

re: Gordon

If they got Redd, that's tremendous Gordon insurance (as opposed to now where they can only point to Thabo's news clippings).

So in the offseason they can still hope to sign Ben to a reasonable deal, and even if he took the qualifying offer it wouldn't be that awful.

I don't see why they couldn't keep both, besides the seemingly typical Bulls fan philosophy of you can't have too many good players when there are worse players to take their place.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

What?

Did they confuse Bobby Simmons and Gilbert Arenas? That contract is worse than Hughes'.

BAB Tyrus Love-Meter -- 8 - Deciding whether next season is going to be similar to Kemp 95-96 or better.

by cubbybear on Apr 14, 2008 6:57 PM CDT 0 recs

ahh...

but is it worse than Nocioni's. That's the tough questions I want answered.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yes, it is.

by KT on Apr 14, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up 0 recs

Noah is even playing like crap

I think he caught whatever it was... These guys look really poor.

Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 14, 2008 7:25 PM CDT 0 recs

This is gonna be vile

we're worse than the Bucks, and they have a better pick.

by Freethefro on Apr 14, 2008 7:25 PM CDT 0 recs

I'd like to see Hughes play all 48 minutes

just to see what happens. They could lose by 50 and I bet several guys refuse to enter the game.

Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 14, 2008 7:28 PM CDT 0 recs

This is embarassing

They're going to give up 40+ points in the 1st quarter to a team that's been tanking for the past month. If they were going to put up so little effort, maybe they just shouldn't have shown up.

by Big D on Apr 14, 2008 7:37 PM CDT 0 recs

Amen

by Freethefro on Apr 14, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up 0 recs

Well you know it's bad when

the Bulls announcers are comparing Charlie Villueneva to Lebron.

by shoryuken on Apr 14, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up 0 recs

I wonder if they can allow 50

by RogersPark Kris on Apr 14, 2008 7:41 PM CDT 0 recs

Boylan never had control of this team

but this level of effort is just incredibly low. I haven't seen a Bulls team play this lazily since...well, I'm thinking of the Tim Floyd years, but I'm not sure if there wasn't more intensity back then. Just totally unprofessional. I hope Boylan's coached his way out of the NBA.

by Freethefro on Apr 14, 2008 7:42 PM CDT 0 recs

My favorite player is Hinrich.

He knows he's not going to play more than 25 minutes or any of the 4th quarter, so he just brings the ball up the court and gets rid of it ASAP.

by shoryuken on Apr 14, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up 0 recs

I was worried

that I was the only one watching this game. They're playing so lackadaisically that I was starting to feel a little foolish for wasting the time...

Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 14, 2008 7:45 PM CDT 0 recs

it's defense optional

I'm sure when they have the ball in their hands they're enthused to shoot it :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

Wayne:

"Aaron Gray has shown some ability, Red, as you've pointed out many times this season"

ha!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 7:46 PM CDT 0 recs

what happened to gray?

Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 14, 2008 7:48 PM CDT 0 recs

the cold-heated wisconsin bastards

won't give us a replay.

Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 14, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

they showed a replay

and it looked like he just stepped awkwardly on someone's foot. He walked off the court under his own power, sez Wayne.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

I was fearful

that we'd witnessed the end of the gray era... ;-)

Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 14, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up 0 recs

wayne did spend a good deal of time

talking about Gray's weight issues.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up 0 recs

At the beginning of the year

I said one of our biggest problems was the lack of an AD/PJ type up front. Wallace, despite his rep, wouldn't commit a hard foul (or really any foul) to save his life and wanted to be freed up from playing against big guys). Smith is waifish and couldn't do it well.

Well at the end of the year it's still one of our biggest problems. Any team with any size or bulk just beats the hell out of us. At this point, Noah has more of a PF's body. I think a guy like Jeff Foster or Rasho Nesterovic who's long and strong would be a pretty good help over the next couple years while they fill out.

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by Sports2 on Apr 14, 2008 7:50 PM CDT 0 recs

And another problem we have...

... is we freaking suck and don't care.

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by Sports2 on Apr 14, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up 0 recs

those guys both have expiring deals next season

so sure. It wouldn't be a trade I'd pay for though.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up 0 recs

I always thought

Foster and Pollard played well on those pacer teams, haven't understand why they fell so rapidly in every teams depth charts

by bullsfaninla on Apr 14, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up 0 recs

well, Pollard is always hurt

and I don't think Foster is much good for anything outside of hitting the offensive glass.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up 0 recs

yea

i have been pushing for this for a long time now. maybe gadzuric and simmons for larry hughes and nociioni. does that work. It would be like exchanging bad contract. Maybe through in villanueva and gooden in the mix if they wont accept it otherwise.

by Sambossanova on Apr 14, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up 0 recs

why would we want gadzuric @ 5 mil

or Simmons at 9 Mill. At least hughes and noce give you something sometimes. Now the only way this would work for the bulls is if they threw gooden for villanueva but the bucks would be so stupid cause he only makes like 3 mill. Gadzuric and Simmons are preety much untradable with 4 and 3 years remaning on there contracts.

by Ibleedbullsred on Apr 14, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up 0 recs

Duhon making a late season push to stay

Local club owners are rejoicing.

by RogersPark Kris on Apr 14, 2008 7:57 PM CDT 0 recs

stay employed in the nba?

Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 14, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

I won't be convinced until I see

him hold up another team's jersey. In the Bullsocolypse the only thing that would survive is Duh.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

And Boylan

to send him scurrying to the scorer's table.

by Freethefro on Apr 14, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up 0 recs

Sefo

playing superb defense. We better not lose this guy.

by Freethefro on Apr 14, 2008 7:59 PM CDT 0 recs

true, the Bucks may have scored 60

in the first.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

what the hell

why are the Bulls taking the lead? At least it's (in part) on the back of some Tyrus points.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 8:03 PM CDT 0 recs

They are on a huge run

since Hughes went out.

Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 14, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

The second Gray steps on the court

"Gray's back in, that's good to see!"

Oh Red, stop blushing.

by RogersPark Kris on Apr 14, 2008 8:11 PM CDT 0 recs

I saw him back in

what a faker. Is he a soccer player or something?

Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 14, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up 0 recs

He's going to give Red a heart attack

if Gray keeps playing with Red's emotions like that.

by RogersPark Kris on Apr 14, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

Bulls domination!

(of the Bucks)

by Freethefro on Apr 14, 2008 8:13 PM CDT 0 recs

81 - 71 in the first half

That's a playstation score.

by RogersPark Kris on Apr 14, 2008 8:15 PM CDT 0 recs

this game sure has a different complexion

than when it started. Larry Hughes has that kind of effect.

Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 14, 2008 8:17 PM CDT 0 recs

the end is near...

isn't a dunk by duhon one of the signs of apacolypse?

by Lt.Dan on Apr 14, 2008 8:18 PM CDT 0 recs

duhon

is nba caliber. give him a break. I hope he becomes a top flight backup point guard...for the jazz or something.

by Sambossanova on Apr 14, 2008 8:18 PM CDT 0 recs

i hope...

he decides to start a charter airline service...

by Lt.Dan on Apr 14, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up 0 recs

You've got to give the Bucks credit

They seem to be much better at tanking than the Bulls are. How in the world do you give up 81 points in a half to this Bulls team?

by Big D on Apr 14, 2008 8:18 PM CDT 0 recs

they've had practice

the past two years of being truely horrible. Larry K promised to make them a better defensive team, and this is the result.

Teams tend to have career scoring nights against the Bucks. Except for Cleveland.

by KT on Apr 14, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up 0 recs

What the bloody hell?

I'm in the middle of class - we take a break - I think, hmm, wonder what the Bulls are doing against another bad team.

81-71? And now that Ty and Joakim are starters, now Boylan is playing the bench huge minutes? Yeah, I see the fouls, but so what? Anyway, I haven't watched yet, so I really shouldn't be commenting, but how in the world is it productive to give Duhon this much time?

It takes a special coach to make Aaron Gray a guy you can see.

by wjb1492 on Apr 14, 2008 8:32 PM CDT 0 recs

Buck season ticket holders

deserve way better than player autographs.

by RogersPark Kris on Apr 14, 2008 8:34 PM CDT 0 recs

OK, I have stayed away for long enough

no shot at this year but hughes for redd plus were might lose a thabo and pay him more. Come on now matt your killing hughes. I'f thats it then o my you talk about non-defense. Let me fix that up a bit maybe include Noce vs thabo. I'd even try something different, if we are just talking about milwalkee. By the way this is one of Duhon's one in a million games. We need a point guard, thats why Chandler had no chance here, like barkley said have you seen chandler score on anything but a lob or oop, all set up by what a point guard. He also said Peja gets all his looks from chris paul penatration. We need a point guard. Not saying Mo Will is the answer but I'd rather him over Redd. Hinrich for Mo Will with some pieces to make it work

by Ibleedbullsred on Apr 14, 2008 8:37 PM CDT 0 recs

You don't want MO for a point guard

he isn't one, despite playing that position. He's had several 0 assist games this year, and he rarely passes the ball inside.

by KT on Apr 14, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up 0 recs

I would want him more than red

I limited the discussion to the bucks.

by Ibleedbullsred on Apr 14, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

your right though, I wouldn't we need a point

guard who would I trade for the top pick after rose says he's coming out? Capt Kirk, Noce, Ben Gordon, Gooden, Deng, No one will take Larry but if they would him too. Hell almost the whole team.

by Ibleedbullsred on Apr 14, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up 0 recs

Hughes and Noc

for Shaq. You heard it hear first.

Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 14, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

Ohhhh...

Hell yes!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 14, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up 0 recs

if you had a team of just Larry Hughes

how many would they lose by on average? 35? 40?

Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 14, 2008 8:43 PM CDT 0 recs

lmao

look at that little girl... shes expecting overtime with that popcorn... shes not gonna go hungry, ill tell you that.

by ChiTownCritic on Apr 14, 2008 8:47 PM CDT 0 recs

Add Ramon Sessions

to the list of borderline NBA guards that have torched Kirk Hinrich. Sickening.

by Freethefro on Apr 14, 2008 8:48 PM CDT 0 recs

TT was late...

Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 14, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yeah Kirk was looking for the help side

by gobulls1124 on Apr 14, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

you're right

nobody's playing D. But goddamn I'm sick of all the guard penetration all year.

by Freethefro on Apr 14, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

well...

i dont think any1 was playing much defense, and i didnt understand why boylan had all those guys out there for this. there was just more chance for guys to get hurt. and id take kirk defense in a meaningful game compared to ben gordon's. i mean he given career nights guys like rondo, kyle lowery, and travis diener.

Ralph Wiggum, a smarter man than Jim Boylan

by Yibs on Apr 15, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up 0 recs

What I heard him say about it

actually made sense to me...something about it being a very trying year for the players and that a game like that could maybe help to flush the season out of their systems.

by alec on Apr 15, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up 0 recs