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I'm just going to keep re-freshing this diary every so often, as the only place for draft talk.

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April 27 is the deadline for underclassmen to declare for the draft. Remember, as long as they do not hire representation they can change their mind and go back to school.

May 20 is ping pong ball day, the day that the 14 lottery teams have their draft slots determined.

June 16 is the deadline for underclassmen that have not retained representation to pull out of the draft and go back to school.

June 26 is the draft.

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Mock Lottery has Bulls at 9th taking Love
I think he's got a great skill-set and his outlet passes turn me on....but that guy is going to get destroyed by every big man with an ounce of athleticism.  But, then again, if we're not getting a top 5 spot, he's probably the best bet, assuming they are keeping the pick.
Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 11, 2008 6:37 PM CDT   0 recs

I have visions of a Gray-Love lineup.
Do you think there's room in Red's heart?
It takes a special coach to make Aaron Gray a guy you can see.

by wjb1492 on Apr 11, 2008 7:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't Gray and Love...

One of the signs of the apocoylypse?

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 20, 2008 12:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Only if he's got a big heart

Hell, let’s just trade for Curry and re-sign Khalid El-Amin and Sweetney and open a fat camp while we’re at it.

by Sports2 on Apr 25, 2008 6:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't mind Love
if only because he isn't a "project" on offense.

by RogersPark Kris on Apr 11, 2008 8:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What, you mean you'd pass up the chance
to draft someone who can chest pass the ball right into the basket from behind the opposite base line?

I was hoping that could be Boylan's first inbounds play ever.

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Apr 11, 2008 10:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

love over Deandre?
We'd take Deandre.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 11, 2008 6:53 PM CDT   0 recs

Paxson
will take the guy who combines grit, hustle and a lack of athleticism.

by jpchi on Apr 11, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lets say we get lucky and the #1 overall pick
do we pick Rose or Beasley? We need help at both positions.

by eross226 on Apr 11, 2008 10:49 PM CDT   0 recs

Rose. No doubt.
Just look at what CP3 and Deron have done for their franchises...

by Illini15 on Apr 11, 2008 11:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

PGs who were top 5 in the lottery
Here's some context for Rose, who is listed as a 6'3 PG (he plays way bigger).

Williams went #3 and Paul went #4.That was 2005, and it wasn't as if the entire draft went that well for lottery PG's. Raymond Felton went #5, and he's nowhere near the level of Williams and Paul.

In '04 Ben Gordon went #3 and Devin Harris went #5. They're good but also nowhere near Williams and Paul (and BG was listed as a PG coming out of college).

For PG's selected top 5 before those two you'd have to go back to '02 with Jay Williams, and the jury is out as far as how good he could have been.

And before that you're looking at Bibby in '98.

Out of all these guys, it's really only Williams and Paul who have been pretty much surpassing expectations year after year.

Rose definitely seems like an impact player, but even if he's as good as Derron Williams (who is also listed as 6'3), Derron had to wait until his second year before really taking charge.

It would be nothing less than a dream scenario for the Bulls to get this kid, but I'd bet money against it, unfortunately.

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Apr 11, 2008 11:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Deron Williams
Also came onto a team that had an all star in Carlos Boozer, a defensive specialist in Andrei Kirilenko, and a coach named Sloan. He was put in some very capable hands that allowed him to learn the game and system very quickly. If D. Rose comes here he will be thrown into a group that has a brand new coach, no all star, and guys who have been together but dont have much chemistry.
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Apr 14, 2008 12:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bad logic
First off, Gordon and Devin Harris are shooting guards.  They played SG in college, they play SG now, they simply aren't points.

Second, point guards who are drafted top 5 usually pan out.  See: Kidd, Billups, Baron, Deron, Paul.  Say what you want about Felton and Antonio Daniels, but they both had weaknesses coming in (shooting and passing, respectively) that Rose just doesn't have, and still they've had pretty productive careers.

I think you're right that we'd have to wait a year or two for Rose to really flourish, but so what?  We aren't expecting a championship run next year anyway.

by YaoPau on Apr 14, 2008 10:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Beasley
The Bulls need a PG way more than they need a PF.  However, Beasley is just awesome.  You take him and start talking to every other team in the NBA about a deal.  Almost everybody needs rebounding and with Beasley you get that and a niche contract can bring in other pieces or expiring contracts.

Rose is very good, but I think you draft Beasley and start thinking about dealing him down for the player you really wanted and getting back some change as in draft picks or dumping one of our many contracts.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 12, 2008 10:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No doubt Beasley is awesome.
I only saw him play a few times last year, but he was utterly and completely dominating every time...as dominating as any player I've seen in college for years.

My question is I don't know if that translates for a (likely) 6' 7 1/2" PF in the NBA.  Yes, some guys have done it, but if he were 6' 10" or even a legit 6' 9" I'd feel more confident in his ability to impact the NBA.

Rose, on the other hand, has relatively more dominant physical tools for the position he'll play at the next level.  With the rules changes freeing up perimeter play, Rose will come in Day 1 as possibly the biggest athletic mismatch among NBA PG's.  

by alec on Apr 12, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Beasley should measure at 6'9" in shoes
He is a power forward.  He doesn't really have the handles to play the 3 in the NBA.  I haven't heard this talked about at all either.  Most scouts say he definitely a PF.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 8:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have no doubt
Beasley will be a very good pro, maybe even an all-star.

Rose looks to me like a future transcendent star.

Yes, moving into the top two is a nice dream...but no, I wouldn't bet my house on it.  :)

by alec on Apr 14, 2008 9:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not going to shed any tears
if we draft Rose.  This year's lottery will be a lot like last years for me.  I'll have my list of players I don't want to draft.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

20/10
Rose is a potential 20/10 guy with points/assists.  Beasley is a 20/10 guy with points/rebounds.  There are 4 guys in the NBA who average what Beasley could potentially average.  There is only one guy (Paul) who averages what Rose could potentially average, and, he's a MVP candidate none of the points/rebounds guys are.  Given that Rose is a rarer commodity, I'll take him.

by jpchi on Apr 14, 2008 2:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I had Deron better than Paul
because I didn't think Paul would be able to score in the NBA at a clip I expected from Deron Williams.  Paul has improved his outside shooting, but his FG% in the paint is well beyond expectations.  With his ability to get by his man and then wiggle through the trees at the elbow is just remarkable.  Rose has this same talent.

Most of all I remember Chris Paul and the Wake Forest coming into Assembly Hall as the #1 overall team and then getting spanked by an Illinois who then became the #1 overall team led by Deron Williams in the 2004-05 CBB run.  The Illini were up 30 in that game.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 3:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that sounds like how Paxson scouts
except at least he likely looked at a postseason game.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nobody pays attention
to the Big 10/ACC Challenge games.  They're exhibition games right?
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 5:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Beasley is Kenyon Martin
Strong, but his height and lack of shooting touch will hurt his scoring. That's why I don't understand the Derrick Coleman-like projections.

by RogersPark Kris on Apr 14, 2008 3:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Beasley slighting is getting old
He absolutely dominated this year, but because he didn't play as late into the year everyone seems to forget about him. Here is the 4 year quick recap (sorry I don't feel like typing out all the stats on Kenyon Martins college career in CONFERENCE USA:

            Pts Reb  
Freshman    2.8 3.4  
Sophomore   9.9 8.9  
Junior     10.1 6.9
Senior     18.9 9.7

Here is one season Beasley in the third best conference this year, the Big 12

            Pts  Reb  
Freshman    26.2 12.4  

He even topped Durants freshman numbers.  If you want a PG, fine.  But don't act like rose is clearly a HOF player and Beasley might make an all-star game or two. Rose still can't shoot unless he's wide open or within 10 feet.

by cjurmann on Apr 14, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope the Bulls end up with
Monte Ellis, not another draftee.  If you're 23, average 20-5-4-1.5 in the West...you've got a bright future.  Arenas pt. deux I hope, and I'm not sure if Golden State can afforded him while paying all those big contracts like Harrington, Davis, Jackson, and pretty soon Biedrins.  

Sign and trade the pick and some of our players for Monte?

by Freethefro on Apr 12, 2008 10:43 AM CDT   0 recs

He is a RFA
But I don't think there's a way the Warriors let Monta go.  His game has catapulted in the past 2 years, and he's only 23 years old as well.  The Warriors were able to trade Richardson and not skip a beat, but I don't think that franchise is going to be so cap-conscious with such a young talent.  
Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 12, 2008 12:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

right, they dumped Richardson
so they can re-sign all those guys that were mentioned.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 12, 2008 2:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It still may not happen for them
they have other contracts to pay, and their tiny backcourt - and the team as constructed - isn't going anywhere in the west.  He's an RFA which is why I'm thinking sign and trade.    

by Freethefro on Apr 14, 2008 7:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Monta Ellis' defense
might make Ben Gordon look like a first team all-NBA defense.

Monta is an incredibly poor defender.  Playing for GSW allows him to focus 99% of his time on scoring.

I like Monta's offensive game.  It's special.  However, he is monstrous defensive liability that would be worse than Gordon.  I like our draft options to improve at the guard position more than through Monta.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 8:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ellis?
Don't we have enough 6'3 shooting guards?

by Jobu on Apr 18, 2008 2:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gordon and pick
Yeah sign and trade 9th pick, Gordon for Monte.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 12, 2008 10:49 AM CDT   0 recs

hang on
If the Warriors can't afford to pay Ellis, how can they afford to pay the Zillion Dollar Man Gordon?

by Stay Chisel on Apr 18, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL
nice... ! :)
"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Apr 18, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I've been pulling for Brook Lopez,
but I just realized there's no way he gets past Memphis.  

They have a pretty good team with a giant hole in the middle.  Darko's line last night: ten minutes, one rebound, no points...no shots, even.

by alec on Apr 12, 2008 11:18 AM CDT   0 recs

Quick check shows season averages of
7 and 6 in 24 minutes. Not sure what to make of that, other than what we already knew, that he has always been overpaid/overrated.

But if you were a losing team with a gaping hole in the middle, wouldn't you play this guy more than 24 minutes per game?

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Apr 12, 2008 12:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well Pao was there for a while
So that probably ate some minutes up.  Also, they have Kwame Brown and Jason Collins, so it's a very hard rotation to crack down there in  Memphis.
Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 12, 2008 12:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

draftexpress top 10
is beasley, rose, bayless, lopez, mayo, gallinari, gordon, love, randolph and then jordan, in that order. bayless, lopez, love, randolph, and deandre jordan are all going to be busts. beasley is going to be an above average player, same with gordon and mayo. i dont really know anything about gallinari, but i expect he'll be in the andrea bargnani area, without the bust label because he isnt going to be number 1. derrick rose is going to be a great player, better than jason kidd and deron williams, but not quite as good as paul.

by hughes sucks on Apr 12, 2008 5:12 PM CDT   0 recs

Where can you find past deals for draft picks?
I'm curious as to what it would take for the Bulls to get into the 17-25 range in the first round in addition to staying where they are. Is Nocioni plus a 2009 unprotected 1st-round enough?
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 12, 2008 5:54 PM CDT   0 recs

I forget the link
But there is a website that has those deals, I think Simmons publicized it in a mailbag around the trade deadline. If you so desire, you could search his archives.
Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 13, 2008 9:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's my youth movement plan.
I'm talking of getting rid of Nocioni, and you DON'T like it? Plus, they're not all 20, and it is getting rid of yet another future mid-teens draft pick...

I was going to type this up, but I'm lazy, and I couldn't "figure out" exactly how the future would work out. I know you and hot shit believe in the "good players make a good team make champions" theory, but I'm less convinced of that than ever. I'm on the big-risk, huge-reward mission of getting James. It's lame and difficult, and I know for a fact won't happen (also why I decided not to type it up as a diary), but it is:

Re-sign Deng and Gordon. Trade down and draft Darren Collison. Trade Nocioni and future picks for ability to draft Brandon Rush*. If they're never able to get LBJ, then I think it still ends up being an above-average team w/ some, but limited, "greatness" potential.

In the huge 2009/10 off-season, they'll have Huges coming off the books and will also have Hinrich, Deng and Gordon available for sign-and-trades for James. If they get James and keep enough of the good stuff around, I think Collison, Gordon/Rush in the backcourt and Thomas and Noah in the frontcourt is the absolutely perfect complement to James. Another good ball-handler, two great shooters, all good-to-great defenders, all the same age.

And if they don't get James, I still think this team is good enough to compete and with the right coach could get back to "being one of the better teams". And in the end, I think that's all you can ask for. You get young, above-average players, hope you can develop them into either great players or assets to be traded for great players. I don't think it's so risky that it risks falling completely apart.

Anyway...

*If they draft Rush, Thabo would hopefully become redundant and they'd be able to trade him for assets. Nocioni plus future picks for Rush AND THEN Thabo for ____, I think would be greater than what they have now. Maybe not.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 14, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lebron is overrated
There, I've said it.  He doesn't make his teammates better.  Sure occasionally he makes a good pass, and announcers spit all over themselves.  But he's similar to McGrady in my view, that his size lets him get is own shot, but he's not overly quick, more of a first step and elevate guy, or go to the rack guy, but unlike Jordan, or to a lesser extent, Kobe, neither Tracy nor Lebron will ever be all league D- they aren't quick enough.   So they can't take over a game like Jordan or Kobe could, and they have less assist potential because its more about being clever than blow by speed, and a panic triple team that sucks in the D.  Sure Lebron and McGrady have their nights when, because they are big and strong, if their jumper is really falling, they can't be beat.   But for a mortgage the future guy, we need more than that.

McGrady and Lebron also both take alot of stupid long jumpers, because they are so enamored with themselves, which hurts their efficiency.

by iBurkey on Apr 16, 2008 6:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Path Dependence
The Bulls had two years to consolidate talent and they didn't get it done.  Why should we expect that plan's going to work now when we'll be paying guys on bigger, hard to move contracts?
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by Sports2 on Apr 14, 2008 1:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

technically it's harder to do
when they're all on rookie deals because of salary matching.

Who said that was the plan before anyway? They were building a team with Ben Wallace as the next step. yikes.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 2:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and besides, asking how 'consolidation'
will work (or not...and I agree it's a dicey plan to actually execute)....

doesn't mean that it's a good idea to stockpile middling young players you'll find in the mid-round, since they already have a whole roster full of them. Clearly they're not interested in developing more Ced Simmons, as they're not doing much with the original version.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Flows, not stocks
It's not about simply piling up a bunch of middling type players, I agree.

It's about replacing expensive middling players with cheaper players who can do the same thing.  

A middling player, by definition, is a guy that's probably not really worth what he gets when he signs a second contract in the NBA.  Rookie contracts undervalue players, follow on contracts overvalue them.  That's the trick to the salary cap.  If you re-sign your own guys, you end up with a capped out middling team.

Obviously, if you're going to be successful, you can't let everyone go when they're off their rookie deal. But you have to be judicious in who you're going to give follow on contracts to. Or any FA contracts for that matter.  The "going rate" is simply a lot higher for those guys and teams can't afford to make mistakes.

Bringing it back to "stockpiling", I think that means a team needs to be judicious. It can't be piling guys up, it needs to be thinking ahead.  When a team sees it's got a middling player who's going to be expensive (more expensive than he's likely worth), it should try to move him while it can.  Nocioni would be the example of this situation.  If a team is interested in overpaying for them, get a protected pick from them, if that's all you can get, and move on.  You've already got a less expensive guy flowing into your system, Thabo, to replace him.

That's what you want to do with middling guys... keep the flow moving and keep your supporting cast inexpensive.

We need to hang onto this pick because time is already running out on Thabo he's more than middling.  He'll be an RFA in two summers, and if we play our cards right we'll have cap room then.  Unless he's really worth it, we'd be much better of with a guy like Douglas-Roberts or Budinger for  less than $2M than we would with Thabo for two or three times that.

Or alternatively, we might be better with Thabo at $6M and a rookie contract at $2M than with Tyrus, Deng or Gordon at $8M or $9M.

Any way you cut it, having young and cheap middling players on rookie deals seems the only alternative to managing the cap and keeping your supporting players cheap.  

Also, it probably goes without saying, but I'm not saying that's the only thing a team needs to do.  Ultimately it just has to be right in evaluating talent.  Simply not paying $15M/yr contracts to old, fading stars goes a long way.  But still, the draft seems like a good deal. It's really the only way NBA teams get a shot at cheap talent.

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by Sports2 on Apr 18, 2008 9:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Any way you look at it,
it's still all about talent.  Yes, you have to manage your resources wisely, but what does that really mean?  It means you have to be able to tell the difference between TALENT and talent.

Every player in the NBA is an athletic genius.  In IQ terms, a "genius" (at least, one who will be accepted as such by Mensa) is a person with an IQ in the top 2% of the population.  That's two out of a hundred.  Think of how many players around the world play basketball--how many of those actually get to the NBA?  I have no idea what that number is, but lets say it's conservatively 1 out of 1,000.  Maybe it's 1 out of 10,000, or even more; I don't know.  

What's clear is that right off the bat you're already dealing with people who are at the far edge of genius.  Now consider the few people from among that group whose talent is so exceptional they stand out from the crowd...and now realize that in order to win, you need to have at least one of these rarest of rare athletes on your team.  

And you need to pluck that talent from the draft--while the player is likely far from fully developed...because if you don't get it in the draft, barring the unlikeliest of circumstances, you won't be getting it, period.

So, Sports, I agree with you--and someone else here who recently contributed a great analysis of trading vs. making the pick--the draft is where it at.  Almost without exception, if you fail to identify the exceptional talent in the draft, you are doomed.

by alec on Apr 18, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I don't think we disagree much
I'd just break it out into different levels of being doomed.

Replacing an expensive middling guys with a cheap middling guy lets you tread water and keep the possibility of something better better (be it a draft pick steal, a firesale trade or a free agent bonanza in 2010) alive.  You're doomed to have a low chance for adding exceptional talent, but at least there are possibilities by which you can do it.

Signing the wrong guys to cap killing contracts forecloses even those slim odds because it leads to making decisions on finances with talented players on the line.  For example, we can't get rid of Brian Cardinal so we'll have to get rid of Pau Gasol.  We can't get rid of Jalen Rose unless we give them Donyell Marshall.  We can't take on Gasol's salary because we he'll put us over the tax (because we re-signed Nocioni).  Etc etc.

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by Sports2 on Apr 18, 2008 10:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yes
I'd say it is considering our record this year.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 12, 2008 8:31 PM CDT   0 recs

It would be funny
if Chicago drafts Anthony Randolph from LSU and BJ Armstrong and Paxson get to talk on contracts.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 8:56 AM CDT   0 recs

Derrick Rose signs with Arm Tellem
let the Reinsdorf shadowy conspiracies commence!

oh wait, there's a draft that determines which team they go to? crud.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 10:18 AM CDT   0 recs

Lucky for us
Ernst and Young is infallible like Andersen Consulting and GE's profit.
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by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Deandre Jordan has the highest upside of anyone in
this draft other than Rose and Beasley. I really think we should go after this kid. He's 7' with a 7'6" wingspan and runs like a gazelle.

I think the Randolph kid is good trade bait, for us similar to what Wright was for Charlotte to get Richardson. You know I think we should take him as trade bait if we can't get Jordan.

Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 14, 2008 11:33 AM CDT   0 recs

Really? OK.
I thought DeAndre Jordan would be an interesting selection, but that was when I had us picking at positions 15-19 and not top 10 lottery.

What makes you think he has the biggest upside other than Rose/Beasley?

Now that were basically looking a ninth or better in the draft Jordan falls into my "please don't draft this guy" class.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 12:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The definition of upside
should be where you want to hit these guys when they don't develop--upside their heads. Think Crawford, Curry and now (gulp) Thomas.

Plus, if we just keep drafting young bigs with upside, wouldn't that just make us the next Seattle Supersonics? I mean, are you suggesting that a surefire superstar should be waiting for us at #2 overall in 2009 or 2010?

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by bullhockey on Apr 14, 2008 4:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe!
Have you seen Demar Derozan?  Yikes.  Going to USC.  If OJ had stayed in, that would have been one scary backcourt.  Kid positivey has to duck under the rim when he drives or defends,  Also showed that assassin's mindset after a slow start in the USA FIBA all-star game.  Hard to project NBA out of HS, but wow.  If he doesn't show real flaws at the college level, there's the next Lebron chase.

by California Al on Apr 15, 2008 5:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If he has any upside
He doesn't slip past 3-4.  If a 7' gazelle is passed on by 8 or more teams, the scouts have rejected him.

by California Al on Apr 15, 2008 4:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Off topic but how tall do you guys think tyrus is
with shoes? I think he's only about 6'9.25", but he makes up for it with the wing span.
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by armstrong2389 on Apr 14, 2008 11:37 AM CDT   0 recs

They do a lot of measuring
at the annual pre-draft camp.  DraftExpress.com has a historical record going back to 2000.  Tyrus measured 6'7 ¼" barefoot and 6' 8 ¼" in shoes.  I've read that these numbers can be counted on...maybe someone has better info on that.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=ASC&draft=0&sort=

by alec on Apr 14, 2008 11:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Tyrus has grown since then likely.
I'd say he grown an inch.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 14, 2008 11:50 AM CDT   0 recs

Best player three years from now in this draft
will be Deandre Jordan. He's a bigger version of dwight howard. He's just not as skilled yet. Deandre is going to be great, if we pass on him to stick with gray, i will give up on pax.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 14, 2008 6:05 PM CDT   0 recs

Convince us
Tell us why DeAndre Jordan is the next Dwight Howard.  The first thing that stands out to me is Jordan's speed changing ends.  Is he dogging it or is he much slower than Howard?
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by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 6:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

right after he learns how to 'reply to this'
I'm sure stretch armstrong will let us all know exactly why he likes DeAndre Jordan so much, instead of repeating ad nauseum just that he likes him. :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 6:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs