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Official(and only) NBA DRAFT thread. - take2

I'm just going to keep re-freshing this diary every so often, as the only place for draft talk.

Key Draft dates, thanks to Sactown Royalty:

April 27 is the deadline for underclassmen to declare for the draft. Remember, as long as they do not hire representation they can change their mind and go back to school.

May 20 is ping pong ball day, the day that the 14 lottery teams have their draft slots determined.

June 16 is the deadline for underclassmen that have not retained representation to pull out of the draft and go back to school.

June 26 is the draft.

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Mock Lottery has Bulls at 9th taking Love
I think he's got a great skill-set and his outlet passes turn me on....but that guy is going to get destroyed by every big man with an ounce of athleticism.  But, then again, if we're not getting a top 5 spot, he's probably the best bet, assuming they are keeping the pick.
Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 11, 2008 6:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have visions of a Gray-Love lineup.
Do you think there's room in Red's heart?
It takes a special coach to make Aaron Gray a guy you can see.

by wjb1492 on Apr 11, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Gray and Love...

One of the signs of the apocoylypse?

Don't call me doughboy!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 20, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only if he's got a big heart

Hell, let’s just trade for Curry and re-sign Khalid El-Amin and Sweetney and open a fat camp while we’re at it.

by Sports2 on Apr 25, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't mind Love
if only because he isn't a "project" on offense.

by RogersPark Kris on Apr 11, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What, you mean you'd pass up the chance
to draft someone who can chest pass the ball right into the basket from behind the opposite base line?

I was hoping that could be Boylan's first inbounds play ever.

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Apr 11, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

love over Deandre?
We'd take Deandre.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 11, 2008 6:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Paxson
will take the guy who combines grit, hustle and a lack of athleticism.

by jpchi on Apr 11, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets say we get lucky and the #1 overall pick
do we pick Rose or Beasley? We need help at both positions.

by eross226 on Apr 11, 2008 10:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rose. No doubt.
Just look at what CP3 and Deron have done for their franchises...

by Illini15 on Apr 11, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PGs who were top 5 in the lottery
Here's some context for Rose, who is listed as a 6'3 PG (he plays way bigger).

Williams went #3 and Paul went #4.That was 2005, and it wasn't as if the entire draft went that well for lottery PG's. Raymond Felton went #5, and he's nowhere near the level of Williams and Paul.

In '04 Ben Gordon went #3 and Devin Harris went #5. They're good but also nowhere near Williams and Paul (and BG was listed as a PG coming out of college).

For PG's selected top 5 before those two you'd have to go back to '02 with Jay Williams, and the jury is out as far as how good he could have been.

And before that you're looking at Bibby in '98.

Out of all these guys, it's really only Williams and Paul who have been pretty much surpassing expectations year after year.

Rose definitely seems like an impact player, but even if he's as good as Derron Williams (who is also listed as 6'3), Derron had to wait until his second year before really taking charge.

It would be nothing less than a dream scenario for the Bulls to get this kid, but I'd bet money against it, unfortunately.

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Apr 11, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deron Williams
Also came onto a team that had an all star in Carlos Boozer, a defensive specialist in Andrei Kirilenko, and a coach named Sloan. He was put in some very capable hands that allowed him to learn the game and system very quickly. If D. Rose comes here he will be thrown into a group that has a brand new coach, no all star, and guys who have been together but dont have much chemistry.
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Apr 14, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad logic
First off, Gordon and Devin Harris are shooting guards.  They played SG in college, they play SG now, they simply aren't points.

Second, point guards who are drafted top 5 usually pan out.  See: Kidd, Billups, Baron, Deron, Paul.  Say what you want about Felton and Antonio Daniels, but they both had weaknesses coming in (shooting and passing, respectively) that Rose just doesn't have, and still they've had pretty productive careers.

I think you're right that we'd have to wait a year or two for Rose to really flourish, but so what?  We aren't expecting a championship run next year anyway.

by YaoPau on Apr 14, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beasley
The Bulls need a PG way more than they need a PF.  However, Beasley is just awesome.  You take him and start talking to every other team in the NBA about a deal.  Almost everybody needs rebounding and with Beasley you get that and a niche contract can bring in other pieces or expiring contracts.

Rose is very good, but I think you draft Beasley and start thinking about dealing him down for the player you really wanted and getting back some change as in draft picks or dumping one of our many contracts.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 12, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt Beasley is awesome.
I only saw him play a few times last year, but he was utterly and completely dominating every time...as dominating as any player I've seen in college for years.

My question is I don't know if that translates for a (likely) 6' 7 1/2" PF in the NBA.  Yes, some guys have done it, but if he were 6' 10" or even a legit 6' 9" I'd feel more confident in his ability to impact the NBA.

Rose, on the other hand, has relatively more dominant physical tools for the position he'll play at the next level.  With the rules changes freeing up perimeter play, Rose will come in Day 1 as possibly the biggest athletic mismatch among NBA PG's.  

by alec on Apr 12, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beasley should measure at 6'9" in shoes
He is a power forward.  He doesn't really have the handles to play the 3 in the NBA.  I haven't heard this talked about at all either.  Most scouts say he definitely a PF.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no doubt
Beasley will be a very good pro, maybe even an all-star.

Rose looks to me like a future transcendent star.

Yes, moving into the top two is a nice dream...but no, I wouldn't bet my house on it.  :)

by alec on Apr 14, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not going to shed any tears
if we draft Rose.  This year's lottery will be a lot like last years for me.  I'll have my list of players I don't want to draft.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

20/10
Rose is a potential 20/10 guy with points/assists.  Beasley is a 20/10 guy with points/rebounds.  There are 4 guys in the NBA who average what Beasley could potentially average.  There is only one guy (Paul) who averages what Rose could potentially average, and, he's a MVP candidate none of the points/rebounds guys are.  Given that Rose is a rarer commodity, I'll take him.

by jpchi on Apr 14, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had Deron better than Paul
because I didn't think Paul would be able to score in the NBA at a clip I expected from Deron Williams.  Paul has improved his outside shooting, but his FG% in the paint is well beyond expectations.  With his ability to get by his man and then wiggle through the trees at the elbow is just remarkable.  Rose has this same talent.

Most of all I remember Chris Paul and the Wake Forest coming into Assembly Hall as the #1 overall team and then getting spanked by an Illinois who then became the #1 overall team led by Deron Williams in the 2004-05 CBB run.  The Illini were up 30 in that game.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that sounds like how Paxson scouts
except at least he likely looked at a postseason game.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody pays attention
to the Big 10/ACC Challenge games.  They're exhibition games right?
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beasley is Kenyon Martin
Strong, but his height and lack of shooting touch will hurt his scoring. That's why I don't understand the Derrick Coleman-like projections.

by RogersPark Kris on Apr 14, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beasley slighting is getting old
He absolutely dominated this year, but because he didn't play as late into the year everyone seems to forget about him. Here is the 4 year quick recap (sorry I don't feel like typing out all the stats on Kenyon Martins college career in CONFERENCE USA:

            Pts Reb  
Freshman    2.8 3.4  
Sophomore   9.9 8.9  
Junior     10.1 6.9
Senior     18.9 9.7

Here is one season Beasley in the third best conference this year, the Big 12

            Pts  Reb  
Freshman    26.2 12.4  

He even topped Durants freshman numbers.  If you want a PG, fine.  But don't act like rose is clearly a HOF player and Beasley might make an all-star game or two. Rose still can't shoot unless he's wide open or within 10 feet.

by cjurmann on Apr 14, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope the Bulls end up with
Monte Ellis, not another draftee.  If you're 23, average 20-5-4-1.5 in the West...you've got a bright future.  Arenas pt. deux I hope, and I'm not sure if Golden State can afforded him while paying all those big contracts like Harrington, Davis, Jackson, and pretty soon Biedrins.  

Sign and trade the pick and some of our players for Monte?

by Freethefro on Apr 12, 2008 10:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He is a RFA
But I don't think there's a way the Warriors let Monta go.  His game has catapulted in the past 2 years, and he's only 23 years old as well.  The Warriors were able to trade Richardson and not skip a beat, but I don't think that franchise is going to be so cap-conscious with such a young talent.  
Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 12, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

right, they dumped Richardson
so they can re-sign all those guys that were mentioned.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 12, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It still may not happen for them
they have other contracts to pay, and their tiny backcourt - and the team as constructed - isn't going anywhere in the west.  He's an RFA which is why I'm thinking sign and trade.    

by Freethefro on Apr 14, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monta Ellis' defense
might make Ben Gordon look like a first team all-NBA defense.

Monta is an incredibly poor defender.  Playing for GSW allows him to focus 99% of his time on scoring.

I like Monta's offensive game.  It's special.  However, he is monstrous defensive liability that would be worse than Gordon.  I like our draft options to improve at the guard position more than through Monta.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ellis?
Don't we have enough 6'3 shooting guards?

by Jobu on Apr 18, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gordon and pick
Yeah sign and trade 9th pick, Gordon for Monte.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 12, 2008 10:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hang on
If the Warriors can't afford to pay Ellis, how can they afford to pay the Zillion Dollar Man Gordon?

by Stay Chisel on Apr 18, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
nice... ! :)
"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Apr 18, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been pulling for Brook Lopez,
but I just realized there's no way he gets past Memphis.  

They have a pretty good team with a giant hole in the middle.  Darko's line last night: ten minutes, one rebound, no points...no shots, even.

by alec on Apr 12, 2008 11:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Quick check shows season averages of
7 and 6 in 24 minutes. Not sure what to make of that, other than what we already knew, that he has always been overpaid/overrated.

But if you were a losing team with a gaping hole in the middle, wouldn't you play this guy more than 24 minutes per game?

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Apr 12, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Pao was there for a while
So that probably ate some minutes up.  Also, they have Kwame Brown and Jason Collins, so it's a very hard rotation to crack down there in  Memphis.
Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 12, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

draftexpress top 10
is beasley, rose, bayless, lopez, mayo, gallinari, gordon, love, randolph and then jordan, in that order. bayless, lopez, love, randolph, and deandre jordan are all going to be busts. beasley is going to be an above average player, same with gordon and mayo. i dont really know anything about gallinari, but i expect he'll be in the andrea bargnani area, without the bust label because he isnt going to be number 1. derrick rose is going to be a great player, better than jason kidd and deron williams, but not quite as good as paul.

by hughes sucks on Apr 12, 2008 5:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Where can you find past deals for draft picks?
I'm curious as to what it would take for the Bulls to get into the 17-25 range in the first round in addition to staying where they are. Is Nocioni plus a 2009 unprotected 1st-round enough?
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 12, 2008 5:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I forget the link
But there is a website that has those deals, I think Simmons publicized it in a mailbag around the trade deadline. If you so desire, you could search his archives.
Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 13, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's my youth movement plan.
I'm talking of getting rid of Nocioni, and you DON'T like it? Plus, they're not all 20, and it is getting rid of yet another future mid-teens draft pick...

I was going to type this up, but I'm lazy, and I couldn't "figure out" exactly how the future would work out. I know you and hot shit believe in the "good players make a good team make champions" theory, but I'm less convinced of that than ever. I'm on the big-risk, huge-reward mission of getting James. It's lame and difficult, and I know for a fact won't happen (also why I decided not to type it up as a diary), but it is:

Re-sign Deng and Gordon. Trade down and draft Darren Collison. Trade Nocioni and future picks for ability to draft Brandon Rush*. If they're never able to get LBJ, then I think it still ends up being an above-average team w/ some, but limited, "greatness" potential.

In the huge 2009/10 off-season, they'll have Huges coming off the books and will also have Hinrich, Deng and Gordon available for sign-and-trades for James. If they get James and keep enough of the good stuff around, I think Collison, Gordon/Rush in the backcourt and Thomas and Noah in the frontcourt is the absolutely perfect complement to James. Another good ball-handler, two great shooters, all good-to-great defenders, all the same age.

And if they don't get James, I still think this team is good enough to compete and with the right coach could get back to "being one of the better teams". And in the end, I think that's all you can ask for. You get young, above-average players, hope you can develop them into either great players or assets to be traded for great players. I don't think it's so risky that it risks falling completely apart.

Anyway...

*If they draft Rush, Thabo would hopefully become redundant and they'd be able to trade him for assets. Nocioni plus future picks for Rush AND THEN Thabo for ____, I think would be greater than what they have now. Maybe not.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 14, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lebron is overrated
There, I've said it.  He doesn't make his teammates better.  Sure occasionally he makes a good pass, and announcers spit all over themselves.  But he's similar to McGrady in my view, that his size lets him get is own shot, but he's not overly quick, more of a first step and elevate guy, or go to the rack guy, but unlike Jordan, or to a lesser extent, Kobe, neither Tracy nor Lebron will ever be all league D- they aren't quick enough.   So they can't take over a game like Jordan or Kobe could, and they have less assist potential because its more about being clever than blow by speed, and a panic triple team that sucks in the D.  Sure Lebron and McGrady have their nights when, because they are big and strong, if their jumper is really falling, they can't be beat.   But for a mortgage the future guy, we need more than that.

McGrady and Lebron also both take alot of stupid long jumpers, because they are so enamored with themselves, which hurts their efficiency.

by iBurkey on Apr 16, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Path Dependence
The Bulls had two years to consolidate talent and they didn't get it done.  Why should we expect that plan's going to work now when we'll be paying guys on bigger, hard to move contracts?

by Sports2 on Apr 14, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

technically it's harder to do
when they're all on rookie deals because of salary matching.

Who said that was the plan before anyway? They were building a team with Ben Wallace as the next step. yikes.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and besides, asking how 'consolidation'
will work (or not...and I agree it's a dicey plan to actually execute)....

doesn't mean that it's a good idea to stockpile middling young players you'll find in the mid-round, since they already have a whole roster full of them. Clearly they're not interested in developing more Ced Simmons, as they're not doing much with the original version.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flows, not stocks
It's not about simply piling up a bunch of middling type players, I agree.

It's about replacing expensive middling players with cheaper players who can do the same thing.  

A middling player, by definition, is a guy that's probably not really worth what he gets when he signs a second contract in the NBA.  Rookie contracts undervalue players, follow on contracts overvalue them.  That's the trick to the salary cap.  If you re-sign your own guys, you end up with a capped out middling team.

Obviously, if you're going to be successful, you can't let everyone go when they're off their rookie deal. But you have to be judicious in who you're going to give follow on contracts to. Or any FA contracts for that matter.  The "going rate" is simply a lot higher for those guys and teams can't afford to make mistakes.

Bringing it back to "stockpiling", I think that means a team needs to be judicious. It can't be piling guys up, it needs to be thinking ahead.  When a team sees it's got a middling player who's going to be expensive (more expensive than he's likely worth), it should try to move him while it can.  Nocioni would be the example of this situation.  If a team is interested in overpaying for them, get a protected pick from them, if that's all you can get, and move on.  You've already got a less expensive guy flowing into your system, Thabo, to replace him.

That's what you want to do with middling guys... keep the flow moving and keep your supporting cast inexpensive.

We need to hang onto this pick because time is already running out on Thabo he's more than middling.  He'll be an RFA in two summers, and if we play our cards right we'll have cap room then.  Unless he's really worth it, we'd be much better of with a guy like Douglas-Roberts or Budinger for  less than $2M than we would with Thabo for two or three times that.

Or alternatively, we might be better with Thabo at $6M and a rookie contract at $2M than with Tyrus, Deng or Gordon at $8M or $9M.

Any way you cut it, having young and cheap middling players on rookie deals seems the only alternative to managing the cap and keeping your supporting players cheap.  

Also, it probably goes without saying, but I'm not saying that's the only thing a team needs to do.  Ultimately it just has to be right in evaluating talent.  Simply not paying $15M/yr contracts to old, fading stars goes a long way.  But still, the draft seems like a good deal. It's really the only way NBA teams get a shot at cheap talent.

by Sports2 on Apr 18, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any way you look at it,
it's still all about talent.  Yes, you have to manage your resources wisely, but what does that really mean?  It means you have to be able to tell the difference between TALENT and talent.

Every player in the NBA is an athletic genius.  In IQ terms, a "genius" (at least, one who will be accepted as such by Mensa) is a person with an IQ in the top 2% of the population.  That's two out of a hundred.  Think of how many players around the world play basketball--how many of those actually get to the NBA?  I have no idea what that number is, but lets say it's conservatively 1 out of 1,000.  Maybe it's 1 out of 10,000, or even more; I don't know.  

What's clear is that right off the bat you're already dealing with people who are at the far edge of genius.  Now consider the few people from among that group whose talent is so exceptional they stand out from the crowd...and now realize that in order to win, you need to have at least one of these rarest of rare athletes on your team.  

And you need to pluck that talent from the draft--while the player is likely far from fully developed...because if you don't get it in the draft, barring the unlikeliest of circumstances, you won't be getting it, period.

So, Sports, I agree with you--and someone else here who recently contributed a great analysis of trading vs. making the pick--the draft is where it at.  Almost without exception, if you fail to identify the exceptional talent in the draft, you are doomed.

by alec on Apr 18, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't think we disagree much
I'd just break it out into different levels of being doomed.

Replacing an expensive middling guys with a cheap middling guy lets you tread water and keep the possibility of something better better (be it a draft pick steal, a firesale trade or a free agent bonanza in 2010) alive.  You're doomed to have a low chance for adding exceptional talent, but at least there are possibilities by which you can do it.

Signing the wrong guys to cap killing contracts forecloses even those slim odds because it leads to making decisions on finances with talented players on the line.  For example, we can't get rid of Brian Cardinal so we'll have to get rid of Pau Gasol.  We can't get rid of Jalen Rose unless we give them Donyell Marshall.  We can't take on Gasol's salary because we he'll put us over the tax (because we re-signed Nocioni).  Etc etc.

by Sports2 on Apr 18, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes
I'd say it is considering our record this year.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 12, 2008 8:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It would be funny
if Chicago drafts Anthony Randolph from LSU and BJ Armstrong and Paxson get to talk on contracts.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 8:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Derrick Rose signs with Arm Tellem
let the Reinsdorf shadowy conspiracies commence!

oh wait, there's a draft that determines which team they go to? crud.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lucky for us
Ernst and Young is infallible like Andersen Consulting and GE's profit.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deandre Jordan has the highest upside of anyone in
this draft other than Rose and Beasley. I really think we should go after this kid. He's 7' with a 7'6" wingspan and runs like a gazelle.

I think the Randolph kid is good trade bait, for us similar to what Wright was for Charlotte to get Richardson. You know I think we should take him as trade bait if we can't get Jordan.

Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 14, 2008 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Really? OK.
I thought DeAndre Jordan would be an interesting selection, but that was when I had us picking at positions 15-19 and not top 10 lottery.

What makes you think he has the biggest upside other than Rose/Beasley?

Now that were basically looking a ninth or better in the draft Jordan falls into my "please don't draft this guy" class.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The definition of upside
should be where you want to hit these guys when they don't develop--upside their heads. Think Crawford, Curry and now (gulp) Thomas.

Plus, if we just keep drafting young bigs with upside, wouldn't that just make us the next Seattle Supersonics? I mean, are you suggesting that a surefire superstar should be waiting for us at #2 overall in 2009 or 2010?

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Apr 14, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe!
Have you seen Demar Derozan?  Yikes.  Going to USC.  If OJ had stayed in, that would have been one scary backcourt.  Kid positivey has to duck under the rim when he drives or defends,  Also showed that assassin's mindset after a slow start in the USA FIBA all-star game.  Hard to project NBA out of HS, but wow.  If he doesn't show real flaws at the college level, there's the next Lebron chase.

by California Al on Apr 15, 2008 5:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he has any upside
He doesn't slip past 3-4.  If a 7' gazelle is passed on by 8 or more teams, the scouts have rejected him.

by California Al on Apr 15, 2008 4:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off topic but how tall do you guys think tyrus is
with shoes? I think he's only about 6'9.25", but he makes up for it with the wing span.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 14, 2008 11:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They do a lot of measuring
at the annual pre-draft camp.  DraftExpress.com has a historical record going back to 2000.  Tyrus measured 6'7 ¼" barefoot and 6' 8 ¼" in shoes.  I've read that these numbers can be counted on...maybe someone has better info on that.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=ASC&draft=0&sort=

by alec on Apr 14, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tyrus has grown since then likely.
I'd say he grown an inch.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 14, 2008 11:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Best player three years from now in this draft
will be Deandre Jordan. He's a bigger version of dwight howard. He's just not as skilled yet. Deandre is going to be great, if we pass on him to stick with gray, i will give up on pax.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 14, 2008 6:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Convince us
Tell us why DeAndre Jordan is the next Dwight Howard.  The first thing that stands out to me is Jordan's speed changing ends.  Is he dogging it or is he much slower than Howard?
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 14, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

right after he learns how to 'reply to this'
I'm sure stretch armstrong will let us all know exactly why he likes DeAndre Jordan so much, instead of repeating ad nauseum just that he likes him. :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 14, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has all the tools necessary to be an All Star
Size, you can't teach it. Unlike Aaron Gray who is 7' with alligator arms, Jordan is 7' with a big wingspan. Jordan likely has about a 9'5" standing reach. Athleticism; When Jordan runs the floor to his max he's faster than most college guards. He has the ability like Joakim, to beat his man down the court. He's also a lefty, which is something that makes him really intriguing and makes me see how unstoppable he could be around the rim. How many centers have been left handed, athletic and a legit 7' feet? Not many besides the admiral. At already 7' feet 250 pounds Jordan is already big enough to bang away in the NBA. I see his frame in his prime being 7'1" 265. This kid has unbelievable potential, he has all the tools to be an all star. Those who don't like him that much and don't think he will be anything just wait. You can't teach world class athleticism and you can't teach size.  Who do you guys seriously want over him; Love, Westbrook, Augustin, Budinger. Come on if Jordan had a little bit of a better year he'd of been the guarantee 3rd, over mayo and lopez.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 14, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The last 2 months
of the season, he averaged more fouls than field goals.

And you say this guy is ready for the nba?

by alec on Apr 14, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The trouble is that he was 7 feet tall
and invisible.  He didn't need "a little better year".  He was awful.

by Freethefro on Apr 14, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will he bang?
Howard bitched about the contact in his first two seasons.  Whatever, he learned that's the way it goes as NBA center or PF.  Accept it or play Mehmet ball.

The film available on Jordan is slim pickings from the free sources.  Of those available, he looks OK, but you don't get anything demonstrating any ability to give and take contact.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 16, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

After watching Big 12 basketball all season,
he is just someone I really don't want to see the Bulls take.  I read draft analysis somewhere that called him the biggest potential but biggest risk of everyone this year, but from what I saw that potential is several years away and his desire to ball has been questioned repeatedly.
It takes a special coach to make Aaron Gray a guy you can see.

by wjb1492 on Apr 16, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have more?
Anyone that's watched the Big 12 season is going to have good things to offer BAB readers about DeAndre Jordan.

My thoughts parallel yours.  I thought Jordan chose a good school in a good conference where he could face challenges that would give him of the best environments in which to prove his abilities as a center.  What I came away with from this season and reading about his progress in high school was that he really envisions himself more as a 7'0 wing.

There seems to be a much greater fascination in playing a style similar to McGrady even when these kids are blessed with the genetics to develop into NBA bigs.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 16, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

People complain about Lu disappearing, right?
That's what I got from watching Deandre - here's a kid that started the season great (against fairly bad competition) and had a bit of buzz going for himself, then conference play rolls around and he more or less vanishes.  He just didn't give me reason to think that he's ready to play against NBA-caliber bigs.

To be fair to the kid, the whole team struggled a bit in conference play, and generally I don't think it's fair to ask a freshman to carry the squad - but isn't that what you'd want out of a one and done player you're investing a lottery pick in?  He could be great down the road, because he's certainly got some talent, but I think he needs another year of PT in school - Bulls already have young bigs that need the PT ahead of him.

It takes a special coach to make Aaron Gray a guy you can see.

by wjb1492 on Apr 16, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a guy
who might actually be a 7' wing is the player from LSU, Anthony Randolph.  I can't seem to scrape up and video on him though.   Links, anyone?

DraftExpress has the Bulls taking him at 9.

by alec on Apr 16, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His progress
was definitely hurt by Gillispie leaving. He's one of the best coaches in the nation when it comes to developing talent. Look at what he did with Patrick Patterson this year, he pretty much dominated. I think we would have seen much greater progress with Jordan if he would have followed Gillispie to UK. Oh well.

by Illini15 on Apr 17, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So your argument is
that he'll be good because he's a lefty?

Because if you're basing your projection on his being 7' tall with long arms, I point you to exhibits A-C: Patrick O'Bryant, Mamadou Sene, Hilton Armstrong, along with basically ten other guys in the SuperSonics D-league.

I think there's a lot more to basketball than just showing up with long limbs and a nice haircut.  His 7mpg down the stretch this year is a giant red flag.

by YaoPau on Apr 18, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

passing on deandre
i dont think aaron gray will have anything to do with pax passing on deandre. i like deandre, but the way he got owned by kevin love in the tourney shows how unprepared he is for the nba. he might be as athletic as bigger and more athletic than tyrus, but in the end they're playing basketball, not measuring how high they can jump. tyrus got drafted so high because of his performance in the ncaa tournament; deandre on the other hand will get drafted (possibly by the bulls) despite his terrible performance. im not saying he's going to be a terrible player, but he did get way outplayed by a player who some (if not most) would say isn't even nba-caliber (kevin love). his potential is great, but as we all know, poential is rarely reached.

by hughes sucks on Apr 14, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my bad
^ he might be bigger and more athletic than tyrus.^* my bad

by hughes sucks on Apr 14, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love
shed him like a cheap suit.

by Cannoli on Apr 19, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you seen him play?
He's lazy and physically weak.  Which is to say, not Howard like.  But heck - the same was true of Andrew Bynum when he came into the league, and he's developed wonderfully.  I wouldn't be upset if we took him, but he gives me that "lots of potential little production so far" queasy feeling.  I mean, with all that talent, how in the name of god wasn't he even starting by the end of last year?

by Freethefro on Apr 14, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nail on head
A&M had a very good front court, but you're right -- to not even be starting by season's end with that much potential is pretty sad. I'm scared of taking another "upside" big at this point. I'm on the Let's Get a New PG and Trade Hinrich bandwagon right now.

by Illini15 on Apr 15, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please not Love
I am sick of us drafting players we already have/had

Hey do you like Tyson Chandler? how about the same player but 4 inches shorter?(TT/Wallace)

Hey do you like undersized combo guards like Gordon Lets get another(JamesOn)

Hey do you like fat power fowards like Curry how about the same player but 4 inches shorter(Love)  

by houstonbull on Apr 15, 2008 2:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you 4got
noah. he joins the tyson chandler
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Apr 17, 2008 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hold up a second...
Comparing Curry to Love is like comparing Duhon to Steve Nash.  Sure, physically they may be somewhat similar, but their drives are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

by YaoPau on Apr 19, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool, Love is in
This helps push players I want down the board.  Is he better than Sean May?  Who cares, lets hope Jordan selects him.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 18, 2008 3:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the only site i go to for draft coverage is
nbadraft.net

I love that site, and they are usually pretty accurate.  right now they have russ westbrook going to the bulls at #9.  after i saw his name on their board, i made it a point to watch him play, and i have to say, he could solve our problems at PG.  He is long and rangy, quick as hell, attacks the hoop, great finisher, and plays defense like that is his sole purpose on earth.  If he is good enough for ben howland, he is good enough for me.  if he stays in school and continues to improve and has no major injuries, he will be a top 5 pick next year.

i would be happy with kevin love, but i am a little worried about his lack of speed and quickness.  but his bball iq could make up for his lack of athleticism.  and what an outlet passer!!! that could really fuel the run and gun style of play, an area in which the bulls could flourish.

by Conor on Apr 18, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a thought?
How about a legitimate SG who could possibly impact a game immediately? Somebody able to force their way into a defence with some authority? We know that a game changing 2 can change a teams whole outlook, must be CDR!   http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Douglas-Roberts-506/    http://www.blogabull.com/comments/2007/11/20/172814/31/51#51  P.P.S. You heard it here first again!

by A Train Afro 53 on Apr 18, 2008 11:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CDR
I DON'T want A 6-5 GUARD/WING, WHO'S NOT EVEN AS GOOD AS THABO! He's not good he cost his team a national title.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 19, 2008 12:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Uhhh
He's 6'7" and he's half the reason Memphis even made it that far. He'll be a better pro than Thabo, IMO. He has a nearly unlimited offensive arsenal and has the talent to become a lock-down defender.

by Illini15 on Apr 19, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Win now or Win Later?
Cdr does seem like a good player, but the one thing the ncaa championship did prove was that he is still raw. Missing clutch freethrows, throwing up bad shots in crunchtime, missing a layup in a play designed for you to make it...He will be a good player in the future, but he isnt going to be the player we are lacking right away. Rose seems like he will change the game for the team that drafts him, as does beasley, outside of them i dont think anyone has that ability. I would really rather trade the pick for somebody who can lead on the court NOW. Arenas, Brand, anyone who has crossed the line called "all-star" is needed on this team.
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Apr 19, 2008 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he'll be a good pro too
he's got toughness, a good shot, and moreover - a LOT of strange backyard shots that defenders don't see.  He doesn't have thabo's defensive ability at this point, though.  

by Freethefro on Apr 19, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CDR is ok
Chase Budinger is much better tho.  personally i think both are better than thabo, but thabo hasnt played for two years cuz Captain kirk is SOOOO good  so im not sure.  Budinger is a unique sg who can handle the point etc. I like gordon, hughes, thabo and the best guard on the board  (Bayless!!, Budinger, rose (gone) augustine, gordon) as the backcourt of the future.  Hughes is solid while the bulls develop (HA!) a young guard, be it thabo or a rookie.  and obviously trade kirk or cut him if nobody will take him.      

maybe we can convince seattle to move to chicago and send our roster to oklahoma city.  we stay the bulls.... just a thought

by Zac23 on Apr 19, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Lute Olson
If Chase Budinger can handle the point in the NBA, I can handle the point in the NBA.  And one of my legs is longer than the other.

by YaoPau on Apr 19, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Memphis has a history of inflating the heights of
its players. Two years ago Rodney Carney was listed at 6-7 but was only 6-4.5. Roberts is no way 6-7, I say 6-5.
Deandre Jordan, the future hall of fame center for the bulls.

by armstrong2389 on Apr 19, 2008 10:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bulls choose... DeAndre Jordan
I now this may change if the lottery goes our way - I really hope so -, but almost the draft mocks that I saw put DeAndre Jordan or Anthony Randolf on our path. I prefer a PG, since Hinrich played awful this season, but we never how great these guys, specially DeAndre Jordan, can be in the future...

The Sports Bank Net
DJ Augustin

NBA Draft.com
DeAndre Jordan

Draft Express
Anthony Randolf

Doc's Sports
DeAndre Jordan

The Draft Review
Russell Westbrook

NBC Sports
De Andre Jordan

NBA Draft.net
Russell Westbrook

My NBA Draft.com
DeAndre Jordan

NBA Mock.com
Anthony Randolf

Real GM
Eric Gordon

Hoops Hype
Anthony Randolf

ESPN
Kevin Love

Totals
Player        Picks
DeAndre Jordan    4
Anthony Randolf    3
R. Westbroock    2
DJ Augustin    1
Kevin Love    1
Eric Gordon    1

BOYLAN IS GONE, NOW IT'S TIME TO GET RID OF HUGHES

by bull83 on Apr 19, 2008 6:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wich one is the most credibly?
Does anyone now?
BOYLAN IS GONE, NOW IT'S TIME TO GET RID OF HUGHES

by bull83 on Apr 19, 2008 6:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll assume you meant...
...according to the mocks, even though you didn't hit the "reply to this" link. Anyway, I know draft express hasn't taken team needs into account so it's more of a prospect ranking than a mock draft.

I do know, however, that they put a lot more work in than the vast majority of sites and they have actual contacts with GM's and coaches (although it's mostly w/ their lackeys). They also got first confirmation of early declaration from some of the lesser-known guys. This is, of course, if you believe everything that's typed there because I haven't vetted it by a non-affiliated site or anything.

(I would add that they don't have much reason to lie other to be voted "most popular" because they don't have any advertising, and one can access pretty much everything w/o registering.)

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 19, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Douglas-Roberts - why is he so low in the draft?

He seemed like one of the best players in the tournament. He is 6’ 7” and seems a natural for the SG. What about trading Gordon to get a big and another pick. Using that pick to take D-R and then use our pick for another player. Another idea – I wouldn’t mind trading Hinrich + others to either get another pick or go up in the draft. This frees up cap room and gives us an opportunity to improve the team.

by chgobr on Apr 20, 2008 8:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Basically because he's not that athletic.

He’s Rip Hamilton w/o similar athletic ability. And possibly shorter.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 20, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would be down with this as well, if not for...

Westbrook most likely being available at 9. He’s rangy, super-athletic, can get to the hole, and is an absolutely stellar defender. I’d like to draft him and trade Hinrich so this organization can start in a new direction.

by Illini15 on Apr 20, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Westbrook's defending is getting better now that he's done playing.

What’s better: elite or stellar?

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 21, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to go with stellar.

Pippen was a stellar defender. I think of stellar as an all-time great in that category. An elite defender would be someone like Battier. Yeah, he’s very good but not all-time good.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 21, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nit-pick much?

You get my point. He was maybe the best perimeter defender in college this past season.

by Illini15 on Apr 21, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point is that he wasn't until mocks had the Bulls drafting him.

Now, all of a sudden, he’s the bestest.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 21, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

That’s a ridiculous statement. He won the Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Year Award,after being matched up against guys like OJ Mayo, Jerryd Bayless, and James Harden all year long. I’m going to go ahead and assume you don’t watch much college basketball, because everyone has been all over him for the last 5 months. Seems to me like you’re the guy who knew nothing about him until he showed up so highly in the mocks.

by Illini15 on Apr 21, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I'm wrong.

It’s rare, but it happens.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 22, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Jayhawks beg to differ! :)

My Bulls may suck, but my Jayhawks are National Champs!

by wjb1492 on Apr 21, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tying with Charlotte and possibly getting the 8th pick would have been nice.

OTOH, it is Charlotte so it’s not like the Bulls have to worry about them taking a good player right before the Bulls.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 22, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In that regard I just wanted the lottery balls

I agree that whatever Charlotte does will be dumb anyway.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 22, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

After the best guard, the best forward and the best center

go 1, 2, 3, this draft is so even that the difference between 8 and 9 seems inconsequential. The Bulls will get a very good player. A few more lottery balls might have given us a slightly better chance to get into the top three, but there again, the increased odds (a 1.1% better chance) are almost inconsequential.

by alec on Apr 22, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, OK. There's not quite a consensus

at 3, but it’s generally Lopez over Mayo, with the occasional Bayless thrown in for good measure.

In fact, it’s that non-consensus that makes me hope the Buls might be able to package a move up to get Lopez.

by alec on Apr 22, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's more like 1-5 are set, and after that, who the hell knows

The consensus seems to be:

1. Rose
2. Beasley
—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—
3. Lopez
4. Mayo
5. Bayless
—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-
everyone else

And if you want Lopez, you’re going to have to get rid of at least one of our current bigs. Who would you dump? Gooden I guess?

Then you have a future of Lopez, Noah, Tyrus. Hopefully Gray is out of the picture. That would be pretty sweet, I guess.

by Illini15 on Apr 22, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

woops

Rose/Beasley should be 1a and 1b. Still, the point remains.

by Illini15 on Apr 22, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Mayo and Bayless go 3, 4

and all we have to do is get to 5, maybe that would do it. I don’t know. But I agree, it would be sweet.

If we stay put, I’m thinking either Augustin or, from what I’ve read about him, Randolph from LSU. But I sure would like to see some video on him, and I haven’t been able to find any.

by alec on Apr 22, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see why we draft another young big unless it's Lopez

A project like Randolph or Jordan is just not worth it after seeing what they’ve done (and not done) with Tyrus.

by Illini15 on Apr 22, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Randolph is like 6'10"

He’s more of a Dirk-like big man who will play the four. He’s not a small forward.

by Illini15 on Apr 22, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen that he's projected

as a sf in the pros.

But really, my preference is to draft front court scoring, which seems to be pretty much Lopez or bust (unless you want to include the Beasley pipe dream). Eegads! I just realized that might also include Love or (gasp!) Hansbrough.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Apr 23, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we take Hansbrough

I might literally vomit on draft night.

by Illini15 on Apr 23, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's staying in school

so one less thing to worry about…

2008 or bust.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed.

Now we just need to worry about them possibly taking Love.

by Illini15 on Apr 25, 2008 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

draft

i think the bulls need to trade hughes hinrich maybe some others for a couple draft picks…take beasley mayo lopez rose anyone just start over and kick up the pace of the games

by sroyce on Apr 22, 2008 9:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Um kirk could run

As one of the designated (self-designated) Kirk Fans, i must say, KIRK COULD RUN A FAST PACED OFFENSE. HIs biggest weakness is his lack of um, “purity” meaning he isnt good at A) Penetrating holes in defense B) Dribbling out of sticky situations C) Reacting to defense/offensive changes and finding the best option. HOWEVER, In a fast paced system, the idea is to run the ball in the open court, BEFORE the defense sets up,

I have been a big fan of a style of play the revolves around defense leading to fast break opportunities. Hinrich played in such a system at kansas, so he has the experience, plus in this kind of system his lack of “pureness” can be well hidden.

sigh i really wanna see hinrich go one more year with the bulls to prove (to myself) that he belong in the top 10 pg category, although with rose, paul, williams, that top 10 is becoming more like the top 25

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Apr 25, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bad is bad

Kirk in a high paced offense is interesting yet purely hypothetical. He is garbage as u point out via A B and C. Its for those reasons that to expect or pontificate on possible success for kirk in a faster offense is just leap of faith that i cant take. The only success i see him possibly having in basketball is if he somehow gets an extra year of college eligibility and goes back to Kansas. Without going thru the list i dunno if kirk even makes the top 25 pgs. i’ll make a gentlemanly wager that Captain Kirk does not crack the top 10…

Augustine from texas would be a major improvement

by 234L on Apr 25, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lucky for

Kirk you don’t get to make team decisions. :-)

by sue369 on Apr 25, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gallinari and Augustin

made it official they’re in the draft. The more the better for the Bulls down at nine.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on Apr 24, 2008 8:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hey everyone

recommend this post so it goes in the ‘featured fanposts’. I’m sure there’s a way for me to hijack it and do it myself, but I haven’t as of yet figured out how.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2008 4:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

DeAndre Jordan should recieve his bulls jersey ahead of time…Doesnt make sense drafting Randolph…PG’s arent all that good cept for Rose in the draft..We need a REAL legit Center…

by SK23 on Apr 25, 2008 6:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

bigs ok

IMO the 3,4,5 spots are filled with talented basketball players. Noah was the one bright spot of this bad season. I think TT will step it up next year (Noah’s intensity will spread if/when he becomes captain) and Gooden adds offensive consistency to what used to be a team with good perimeter shooters, but nothing down low. We need guards. If we draft a guard i think he will have more of an impact on our weak backcourt than a more “talented” big might have on what i think is a frontcourt the is decent now but full of potential. I guess it depends on what u think is the Bulls biggest need…

I want the bulls to draft either the best pg or chase budinger.

by 234L on Apr 25, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

deng

I’m disappointed in him but not willing to give up on him yet…. i think he and tt will benefit the most if the bulls ever get a good pg.

by 234L on Apr 25, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can trade for a guard..I would really like the bulls to go and get Arenas..Possibility is there.

Id like Noah to come off the bench and be a better version of Varejao.He always gets killed or expose by a bigger Center.

by SK23 on Apr 25, 2008 11:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This was his first year in the league.

He’s only going to get better and better. No reason to think he can’t be a legit starter.

by Illini15 on Apr 25, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what they said about Tyson

Joakim will fill out as he matures. For a first year player who was thrust into a starting role, he did fine. Considering Joakim’s strong work ethic, there’s no reason he can’t come into next year stronger and ready to take on the muscle Centers of the league.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2008 4:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True..I want the guy to good…Its a safe bet that the bulls wont waste their pick on a PG in the draft….IDK might be wrong…We need a lil more depth and competition at that Position…

by SK23 on Apr 26, 2008 1:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Arenas

nothing would make me happier than a trade for arenas. maybe hinrich plus our 1st rounder… Arenas and larry hughes were an awesome back court for the wiz, throw gordon into the mix and thats at least a playoff caliber back court

by 234L on Apr 26, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chuckers?

the bulls have been a struggling perimeter jump shooting team for awhile… might as well have guys who can actually make the perimeter jump shots. I’m not so used to Hughes yet, but when Gordon shoots I’m happy/confident it might go in. same with arenas for that matter. sure as hell cant say that about hinrich, duhon, and sefo. U can call them chuckers or whatever and that might sound good and maybe its true, but u miss the point which is that the suggested back court is an improvement to our abysmal pg/guard situation.

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich

by 234L on Apr 28, 2008 5:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it wouldn't

be an improvement.

by sue369 on Apr 28, 2008 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

anything would be

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich

by 234L on Apr 28, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wouldn't be

an improvement. Illini15 said it best.

by sue369 on Apr 28, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

to improve perimeter shooting were getting a guy whose career fg% is .427. The same guy who has gimpy knees and his current team does better when he’s not on the floor? Sorry, but I don’t see the logic in this move as much as I want another $12,000,000 contract from a player who has been on a middling Wizards team.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, I see what you just did

Gilbert Arenas sucks as much as Larry Hughes. Very clever.

by hscs on Apr 28, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gilbert is better than Hughes.

They just seem to have similar shot selection, and I would prefer that we don’t have two or more guys who continue to take off-balance jumpshots.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arenas can take all the off balance jump shots he wants

He has a career 7.1 FTA/36, and a .488 eFG%. Hughes has a career 4.9 FTA/36, and a .434 eFG%. Arenas is a great scorer. Larry Hughes sucks.

by hscs on Apr 28, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree with the Larry Hughes sucks part.

But if all we want is a scorer who can get to the free throw line, why wouldn’t we go after Maggette? (I’m not saying Maggette is as good as Arenas, just cheaper)

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously you want to do better,

but why settle? Management is scared of entering the luxury tax, and with two guys playing similar spots, taking similar shots (Arenas and Hughes) I don’t want to be spending 24+ million on 2 players who play similar positions. If we’re a cost-conscious team, we should be getting rid of the bad contracts not trying to add players that right now we can’t really afford. We can keep searching for solutions for this train wreck, but I don’t see how Arenas will help us in the long run because he will not get us a championship.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arenas will help by being really good

Larry Hughes’ contract will help the Bulls trade for Arenas if that does happen.

by hscs on Apr 28, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we can somehow

get rid of Larry Hughes in the trade (or any trade for that matter), then I’m all for it.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hughes shouldn't be considered to have a position

besides the bench. He’s a bad contract and a sunk cost, just like Wallace was. Any minutes he gets will be poor ones.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets hope

your right about Larry Hughes getting no minutes.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arenas is a great player,

one of the top players in the league. Other than how much it costs to have Hughes sitting on the end of the bench, going after Arenas or not going after Arenas has nothing to do with Hughes. The two players aren’t related in any way other than how all players are related—through money.

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by alec on Apr 28, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arenas is a very good player.

If we can get rid of Hughes to get him, then I’m all for it. But, with management unwilling to enter luxury tax territory, I see that as the end of our improvement unless we find a star hidden in our organization to compliment Arenas. I just don’t see us winning a championship with Arenas and thats all I want at the end of the day. And, as I said before, I truly hope you’re right about Hughes finding a permanent sport at the end of the bench.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arenas

is an allstar with mvp potential… you are right the Bulls have too many of those. lets not pay him 12 mill so we can pay kirk 10.

Hughes is overvalued and not worth his contract, but at least he forces defenders to guard him… that is more than can be said for most Bulls.

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by 234L on Apr 28, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your kidding me right?

I agree the Arenas is a very good player, but not an MVP caliber player. You honestly think that he’s going to beat out Lebron and Chris Paul in the future? Moreover, what in the past few years has caused people to fear Larry Hughes enough to guard him. Is it his plummeting fg%? His incredible assist numbers? Or, is it his incredibly durable nba body? I will love to take Arenas if we can get rid of Hughes, but don’t try to tell me that Larry Hughes is a better player than Kirk.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd knee-jerkedly place Arenas as top 15

you’ll see some wacky ‘MVP caliber’ votes when they release the voting, so that’s a dodgy standard. Trust my method better.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if

the premise u are starting with is that Hinrich is better than hughes (or Arenas) then you are whack and this discussion will go nowhere. We saw hughes v. hinrich when hughes destroyed kirk in the playoffs a couple of years ago… ripping the ball out of his hands and running circles around kirk so please… do not get loyalty confused with actual basketball talent. In your first sentence u said enough… “Arenas is a very good player”... if he was on our team he would be the only very good player and therefore we should aim to get him on our squad… i dont see the wiz taking back hughes, but maybe hinrich…

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by 234L on Apr 29, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry... I had to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytJpZguSy2U

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich...
Same Person

by 234L on Apr 29, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arenas is very good.

Arenas will remain very good as long as he’s healthy, but Hughes in a tailspin that began soon after the playoff series your referring to. I remember a different series though. I remember a Bulls team that was missing our leading scorer and only post threat (Curry) and another good starter (Deng) almost beating an experienced Wizards team that featured your dream duo of Hughes and Arenas. I understand our need for a star, but I just don’t think that the Hughes, Arenas combo will improve us that much considering how far Hughes has fallen.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 29, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

THe would take ben gordon

Not hinrich, it would make more sense, They would get a sharp shooter who is a threat from the perimeter and at the same time, is not gonna ball hog or boss the team around. Most likely if you really want arenas, you should get ready to say bye to gordon.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Apr 29, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um

THe should be They

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Apr 29, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds more likely.

Naturally, I would prefer to get rid of Hughes, but we can’t have everything.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 29, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gordon for arenas

I would do the trade but not be happy about it because if we trade Gordon we need to be sure we are replacing his scoring…he has a unique ability to score, whereas nothing about hinrich is particularly unique, but i suppose that is why the wiz would likely demand Gordon while rejecting kirk.

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Same Person

by 234L on Apr 29, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um...Sure.....?

err….also, we would replace gordons “scoring” with Agent Zeros SCORING. Hughes would HAVE TO go to the bench as the first guard off teh bench, and i would throw noch or thabo to the wizards, leaving one to be backup at the sf spot (naturally Noch should be the one thrown just cuz the bigger contract should cushion the matching salaries, plus i like Thabo as a defender at the 2/3 positions). We could throw in Gooden or thomas if they wanted, or a draft pick or two….ehh im repeating myself…but ultimately this is what i picture it to look like

kirk (hughes)
Arenas (hughes/thabo)
deng (thabo)
Gooden (Thomas)
Noah (Gray)

of course thats not including any free agents signed, or any other pieces we get, its just a general rotation i could see us having. Dont think its a contender, but it should put is back in the mix in the east.

So Zach, err….234L (what does that mean by the way) is that good enough. Im sure you would rather have duhon in instead of kirk (which may be possible i suppose) but i dont think youll find arenas and gordon on the same team and at the same time.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Apr 29, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

starters

there is no way kirk beats out hughes for the starting job unless the bulls take the bears approach and just say hinrich is our point guard of the future no matter what.

Arenas and Gordon on the floor at the same time are gonna put up some points. Arenas is a combo but plays more of the 1 anyway just cause (as i have been saying about gordon for awhile) it pressures defenses when the best player has the ball in his hands. honestly i’ve seen teams allow kirk to dribble all around, under the basket even, knowing that he can’t score or really pass, but at least he has that dribbling thing down.

Granted Gooden is new and has some post game, but i’m sick of the bulls wasting the shot clock by passing the rock around the perimeter waiting for gordon to get open on a screen because they simply had no other way to score because Hinrich cant shoot or create and Deng/Noc are not consistent enough.

Hinrich, Noc, plus 1st/2nd rounder should do the trick… an unlikely trade of nothing (Hinrich sux) for something but it worked for KG, and AI…

Arenas/Hughes
Hughes/Gordon/Sefo
Deng/Sefo/draft pick
TT/Gooden
Noah/Gray

I brought this up before and BaB shat a collective brick… but if Kirk was black he’d be labeled slow and bad. but because he is white people say he is a hard worker with a high basketball IQ… ok i said it and maybe i am a racist dick (somehow i guess) for saying it but i think its true…

234L…. 23 for Life… i know i know sometimes i amaze even myself with my creativity.

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Same Person

by 234L on Apr 30, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arenas plays as much 1 as Hughes does

That means all he can do is bring the ball up. They both see the court fairly well, but are constantly blinded by thier own shots. In arenas’s case he gets by cuz well, the guys is insanely talented at scoring. In Larry Hughes’ case…not so much. If you had both those two guys you do realize that they wouldnt pass the ball to each other right??? ....I regress…you should really be a fan of the knicks, a bunch of non passing guards who have alot more talent then kirk but have no idea how to use it and are looking for thier shots. Thats your kind of team right there.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Apr 30, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Bears are 234L's team

If only there was a far away place for 234L to discuss Rex Grossman.

by hscs on Apr 30, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

your kind of team

i’d have to say yours would be the old school cavs but with craig ehlo playing every position for all those reasons u said kirk was so good even tho his basketball prowess is difficult to articulate in the now missing thread about how why peeps hate Kirk (other than he sux at baasketball duh!)

First off F the knicks…. but u talk about knicks guards having more talent than kirk but having no idea how to use it… i’d rather have talented guys that aren’t playing to their potential than a shitty player (KIRK) maxing out his potential to give us the end result of subpar bench production from a starter (for $10 million might i add).

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich...
Same Person

by 234L on Apr 30, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

I dont recall saying that i wanted a bunch of players like kirk hinrich on the same team, ive even stated that getting an upgrade on kirk would make sense if one was truly available. Like I said you could throw duhon in the mix if you dont like kirk, and it would still be somewhat plausible, however having a backcourt of larry hughes and Arenas, gordon and arenas, larry hughes and gordon…thats not only is disgusting to fathom, but it would also cause one of the two players to not play the way that would make the most of their talents. All three look for their own shots first and all three dont go out on defense to save themselves for offense, or play risky defense (i.e. larry hughes who just goes for steals rather then staying in front of his guy).

And the way you defended the knicks proves even more that you belong in their camp since you buy into their philosophy of “We have more talent so we will naturally win” and “With individual talent like this, who needs team chemistry and good coaching”.

Its fine that you dont like kirk hinrich and dont think he should be starting, but at least understand that a backcourt of guys who demand the ball is simply the same as the knicks backcourt, as in ATROCIOUS.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Apr 30, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who

is going to be playing defense in your backcourt?

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 30, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as if

kirks d is good

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by 234L on Apr 30, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hell of a lot better than

the other three. And don’t give me the, “Larry Hughes was on one of the defensive teams 5 years ago,” crap. Larry Hughes gets steals, but to do so he overplays the passing lanes and takes too many risks resulting in significantly more open jumpers, lanes to the basket, etc. Hughes consistently leaves his teammates out to dry. And, Arenas and Gordon could care less about the defensive end.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 30, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also umm

Kirk was on the defensive team JUST last year. Where was larry hughes, ben gordon, or arenas…..hmmmm must be some conspiracy….

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Apr 30, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dunno

how yall can say kirk is good when he sucks so bad. Hinrich fans CLEARLY cant believe in him based on his production (umm he is garbage)... so it seems to me like hoping that by thinking that he is good (as delusional and not based on actual performance that is) is going to magically make him better in the future.
Fiction can be fun but i find the reference section to be a little more enlightening and “the reference section” (me) says hinrich stinks and would not beat out hughes or Gordon if not for contract and development considerations. As expensive and selfish and flat out obnoxious as people seem to portray Hughes (hasnt been with the team long enough to be “in the flow” as if the bulls ever had one) he is still a better player than hinrich

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich...
Same Person

by 234L on May 1, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess basketball-reference.com

isn’t in the reference section.

by hscs on May 1, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SInce you love reference

Why dont you go to nba.com and “reference” larry hughes stats compared to kirk hinrichs. IF you find a stat that somehow proves that larry hughes is better then kirk hinrich ill be amazed….

(by the way, i looked at thier stats and they are very similar. Funny how a guy you think is garbage is right up on par with a guy you think is great)

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 1, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

great?

hughes is not great he is merely better than Hinrich. does not say much much about hughes, but it doesnt change the fact that Hinrich is one of the worst pgs in the league.

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich...
Same Person

by 234L on May 1, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet you

still believe in Santa Claus too.

by sue369 on May 1, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we get TJ Ford on this team of yours?

We could also get Grant Hill as the 6th man and maybe Ray Allen’s ankles. We could then change our name to the Chicago glassmen. Not that we would be a good rebounding team, but we could be the first team ever to simultaneously have every single player on IR with some sort of shattered body part.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 28, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that way they can all be talked about

behind their backs to the press and say they’re nursing injuries!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 28, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Arenas, but I'd be scared to death of him on my team

Its really, really hard for me to look at him as a player and not think he’s very similar to Steve Francis in almost every way. I think his head is screwed on slightly better than Francis’, but the general similarity, slight nuttiness of his personality, and serious knee issues makes me very skeptical about taking him on.

by Sports2 on May 16, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on Apr 27, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2003 Draft

In the 2003 draft the bulls selected hinrich with the 7th pick. the milwaukee bucks took TJ Ford with the 8th pick. IMO the Bulls made a mistake by taking Hinrich over Ford. Because I don’t understand why people like Hinrich I am wondering if there are people that think the Bulls got the right guy and would prefer to have hinrich over Ford. if i could put this to a vote i would (especially in the context of the 7th pick of the 2003 draft… who would you take?)

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich...
Same Person

by 234L on May 1, 2008 5:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Ford stayed healthy,

then I think that I’d take him, but I don’t think that you can count on Ford in that regard. I think Ford at his best is better than Hinrich, but I would rather have a player who is slightly worse who stays healthy over one who is an injury risk.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on May 1, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how many times I have to say it

TJ Ford….Andres Nocioni

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 1, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anthony Randoph...

anybody else worried that he’s going to be Jared Jeffries 2.0?

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on May 2, 2008 12:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't before, but now that you mention it...

I’ve been begging for video on him, but so far no one’s come up with anything. The player descriptions I’ve read sound intriguing, but you are absolutely right—those player descriptions could easily be about Jared Jeffries.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 2, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You still haven't heard about google?

C’mon, dude, they’re worth like a bazillion dollars, and everyone talks about them. It’s a really good search engine. You should google “google”.

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by tyger1147 on May 3, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MOVED DIARY

Looking into this years Draft…




Right now im looking at the list of the top players in the NBA draft and here
is who I think the Bulls should consider drafting.

 First, I think that the
Bulls should NOT draft a Big Man. I think they should leave Noah and Gray and
sign another less known big man with expericne from the free agent list. I
don’t want to waste another season with a rookie big man, when Noah is
allready improving. I say try to sign someone like Folye of the Orlando Magic
or Nestovic of the Raptors. Somene like that. Though I like Nathan Jawai, the
Big Man fom the Australian National team that the Bulls are looking as there
second rounder, I am NOT likeing Deandre Jordan becuase he lacks speed and
could be a better scorer, I just plainly don’t like his game, WHat do you guys
think of him?


I say lets go and get a point guard. Still keep Hinrich but, we need to
draft Russell WestBrook. I love Hinrich’s game and I think we should keep him,
becuase he is the face of the franchice, but not after last season. The Top 3
PG in the draft are Rose (Taken) and Westbrook is going higher than Augistine.
I think Augistine would be perfect if he was Westbrooks hight but he is too
short at 5-11 and we need bigger guards. Another option would be draft an
international Point Guard. FOr somereason, I have like the international
players.


Last Notes: Ill end this on a list of players the Bulls hould take a look
at as well as a point guard.: Bill Walker, Omri Casspi (seen him play, he is
good), Kosta Koufos

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 4, 2008 9:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

late pass but

If we get a do-over on the 03 draft, I’m for telling Jay not to get on that bike and taking David West @ 7, Trade Curry and we’re instantly this year’s Hornets

by Sko on May 4, 2008 11:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If we get D'antoni

Would it be best to get deandre Jordan. THe only reason i suggest this is because he is a 7 foot guy, who is very athletic, and fast for his height. I assume he has some incredible hops too. A guy like him could be perfect in the fast paced system d’antoni is sure to bring. He should be strong enough to set solid screens, and fast enough and have enough endurance to run down the court and keep up with the ball movement. He could be a taller amare except without the decent mid range and ability to play in the post (straight up).

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 6, 2008 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You make Jordan

sound exactly like Joakim Noah.

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 6, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh i didnt mean too

I really just meant that deandre has gotta be the most athletic center in this draft, and i think (from waht ive read) he is far more athletic then joakim noah. I expect that he is stronger, he is a hella lot faster, he can jump out of the building….err…i believe he is a 7ft version of tyrus thomas. And eventually he might be one of the few centers who could somewhat guard Dwight howard. I wouldnt really want to get him if we had a coach like avery or carlisle or even Thibadeau, since he would be a project and i think this team wont have time to really develop him. However if d’antoni was leading the pack, i think the run and gun style would fit in with a guy like deandre, moreso then noah. (i expect noah to start and deandre to come off the bench). Also aaron gray wouldnt be able to run enough to keep with the run and gun tactic, so deandre would be a good center to give noah a rest without sacrificing size.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 6, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you watching the Pistons/Magic series?

Jason Maxiell is showing everybody how to guard Dwight Howard.

by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was more considering the future

I am thinking that Dwight howard will get much much better in years to come, and if you want to continue winning, you will have to have someone who can slow him down quite a bit.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 6, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

slow him like teams tried to slow MJ. Just make him work for buckets and do everything you can to make sure he gets the ball as often as possible.

Really though, Maxiell is doing a fantastic job on Howard. Even Mike Fratello did a segment with Maxiell before the game last night to highlight how he will defend Howard.

by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you're 7' tall

how much do hops really matter? They’re standing reach is almost 10’ already.

I’d be more open to drafting Jordan this year if we had not selected Noah last year.

We’re good at center. Do you want Jordan to play a different position? I think he’d rather player small forward.

by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Backup for Noah

Because Aaron Gray wouldnt be able to run it. Its better then having tryrus or gooden play center, and i cant think of many centers available that can run. Defensively his hops could equal blocks and rebounds.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 6, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take Alexis Ajinca

over DeAndre Jordan. Also athletic with “upside”, huge wingspan, tall, fantastic shotblocker.
But not before end of the first round though :-)

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on May 8, 2008 5:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ill read up about him

I really think well need another center who could run, joakim got tired this season in games quite alot, and i dont know how a run and gun system will affect him. I do know its impossible to be running at that pace for and entire game, so having another center with speed and stamina would really help us out. This is only if we get d’antoni though. Picking up Alexis might not be bad, and use our first round pick for something else like a pg (that everyone wants)

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 8, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't need either Jordan or Ajinca

We’ve got plenty of young bigs to develop. I hope we package the pick in a trade. If we kept it, and I had to say who I’d want us to take… based on our current roster I guess I’d say Augustin to give us a back up point guard.

by rb22 on May 8, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

Tyrus thomas would be an ideal pf with a run and gun style, but i cant see him playing center
aaron gray will never fit in a run and gun style, but can be effective in the half court when needed
Drew gooden can run some, but is still just a pf, he is still better suited for a half court system,

Ill emphasize (again?) that getting a backup center that can run is ideal if we get d’antoni and he decides to play that fast paced full court offense because that way we can give joakim a break and not lose size in our front court. He wouldnt need to be a post player, he would need to be a big athletic guy who can get some rebounds, set some solid screens and mainly just run up and down the court and keep up wth the pace of the game. It not something that needs a terrible amount of development

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 8, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm looking around at bigs in the 2nd round

Did you watch any Sixer games over the last two months and the playoffs? Jason Smith was the 20th overall pick last year. He was the fourth big in the Sixer rotation after Sam Dalembert, Thaddeus Young(#12 2007), and Reggie Evans.

I agree that if D’Antoni is our coach we’ll need a better option than Aaron Gray. Although, we really need a better option regardless of the coach.

by NBA Observer on May 8, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

Noah is going to be a decent starting center. He might not be able to post people up and score on them, but he will be one to run the court, get rebounds, finish, and play some solid defense for 48 minutes a night no matter how he physically feels. I think Aaron gray will be a decent backup for the bulls if he actually gets in some shape. I dont think he will be anything better then maybe luc longley, but longley could occaisionally get double doubles plus aaron gray is really a decent post presence at least offensively.

Drew gooden is gonna be a start next season, and i think its fine having him in with joakim. Gooden rebounds fairly well (compared to ben wallace at least) and has a nice array of post moves, his size and athleticism sort of get me but he is solid throughout. Tyrus i think, if he puts in the effort can easily be a starter near the end of the season. If d’antoni comes in to coach, the i see tyrus starting because he has the athleticism d’antoni would desire of a big man. Which leads me to the draft…

If we get an Avery or Thibedeau coach, then i wont mind NOT drafting a big, because we have enough to develop and plus free agency will probably have a few that we can get as backups. Other then brook lopez (and i even would question that pick) i dont see any big just worth having in this draft that wouldnt be a project. However, if we get d’antoni then we definetly would need someone who can take the spot for joakim or tyrus in the run and gun style of basketball. So just because we seem on the path to d’antoni i decided to look into bigs. IF new york gets him, then i really would say we should draft a sf first, a sg second (bg may be gone due to contract crap) and pg last (if push comes to shove resign duhon for another go and kirk really isnt that bad at the point.

Sf because i think noch, larry hughes, and ben gordon cannot all be on the same team. You have to keep two of those three (at the risk of a bad shot contest) and I would like to see noch go and get a sf instead. If ben gordons contract doesnt work then get another sg (E. Gordon seems like a good idea due to the similarities), as for larry hughes, i dont think paxson is good enough to get rid another craptastic contract.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 8, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ajinca someone I'm watching

I’m trying to determine if he’s going to play for France in the Olympics.

Really though, 7 footer, blocks shots, freakish arm length, 19 years old, how does he get past the Sonics?

by NBA Observer on May 8, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking that there is no way

that Serge Ibaka doesn’t end up with the sonics.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on May 8, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

France did not qualify for the olympics,

they will play other meaningless games this summer I think. Joakim said he was interested in taking part too.

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on May 9, 2008 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is that a joke at the Sonics' expense?

the drafters of Sene, Petro, Swift are out of the organization.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 9, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SMH

It’s Friday. Lighten up will ya.

by NBA Observer on May 9, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's your fault

you’re so all over the place I don’t know if you genuinely thought the Sonics needed such a player or not. Not I even knew what kind of player alicia is.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 9, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and yes

The Sonics are practically a different organization than the one that drafted Swift, Petro, and Sene.

Tell me you saw this hire by the Sonics away from the Jazz.

Weaver played junior college basketball at Prince Georges C.C. in Maryland. He later co-founded the D.C. Assault club program, which has produced such college stars as Michael Beasley and DerMarr Johnson.

by NBA Observer on May 9, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel it is the obligation

of any NBA fan to take shots at the Sonics organization now that they’re ditching Seattle.

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on May 9, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Break out the champagne

According to sources, the Bulls express interest in drafting Kevin Love.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=Bulls-080506

Without D’Antoni, the Bulls, according to sources, have had serious interest in taking UCLA big man Kevin Love with their lottery pick, likely the ninth pick in the 2008 NBA draft. Love has the strength and low-post scoring ability the Bulls have desperately needed.

by NBA Observer on May 6, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ewww...

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 7, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Kevin Love

the next Glen Davis?

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on May 7, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is miserable

"Adrian Griffin with a Giant Killer" - Tommy Dore
"I haven't seen the floater pitch since Scuffy McGee" - Phil Brickma in Rookie of the Year

by BarryLird on May 15, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tyler Hansborough

will have a better NBA career than love. And people are saying hes the next Mark Madsen. Markk my words Kevin Love will be out of the league and in europe before he turns 25.

by eross226 on May 6, 2008 6:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah, he'll be a good role player if he gets drafted by the right team

And the right team is definitely not one coached by Mike D’Antoni.

by Illini15 on May 6, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Love the ideal player

to run the high screen and roll that D’Antoni loves so much?

This can help disguise conditioning as well. You’re only running roughly 70-75 feet instead of a full 94 if you’re always coming up court to set up at the top of the circle.

by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love might be the perfect player for Jerry Sloan

but I don’t necessarily see the fit with D’Antoni.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 7, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He loves the high screen and roll, yeah

But the guy that’s doing the screening needs to be very athletic, AKA not Kevin Love.

by Illini15 on May 7, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Love is the next...

Zydrunas Ilgauskas

"Adrian Griffin with a Giant Killer" - Tommy Dore
"I haven't seen the floater pitch since Scuffy McGee" - Phil Brickma in Rookie of the Year

by BarryLird on May 15, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minus the height obviously

"Adrian Griffin with a Giant Killer" - Tommy Dore
"I haven't seen the floater pitch since Scuffy McGee" - Phil Brickma in Rookie of the Year

by BarryLird on May 15, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that bad?

When picking at the #9 spot, getting somebody as good as Illgauskas would actually be pretty good pick. It’s possible to get a home run at 9, but it’s highly possible to get a bust at 9 too.

9 picks since 2000:
Joel Przybilla
Rodney White
Amare Soudemire
Mike Sweetney
Andre Iguodala
Ike Diogu
Patrick O’Bryant
Joakim Noah

And while I wouldn;t compare his game to Big Z, I think Kevin Love has a chance to be really good, actually. If we didn’t already have 2 young bigs, I would take a hard look at drafting him… or if we trade one of those guys.

by rb22 on May 15, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The negatives on Love are known

But this guy is being talked down the draft more than Spencer Hawes last season. Love was not a slouch in high school. He wasn’t a slouch in the AAU circuit. He wasn’t a slouch in the NCAA. He wasn’t a slouch in the 2007 Nike Hoop Summit.

The kid has played solid ball at every level he’s been put up against. I just can’t crap on him because he’s not 7’ tall.

I’m waiting closely for the pre-draft measurements.

Anyone that thinks Love is the next Glen Davis may want to know that Glen Davis used to weigh almost 380lbs in high school. He appears to have lost 100lbs since then. He’s faster, lighter, and he’s already hungry enough to go get loose balls. With the lost weight he’s looking quick to the boards like Sir Charles. Davis is nowhere close to Sir Charles’ scoring, but that hunger is showing.

by NBA Observer on May 15, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Love

McDonald’s High School National Player of the Year
Parade High School National Player of the Year
Gatorade High School National Player of the Year
Naismith High School National Player of the Year

I think I’ve missed at least one other national high school POY.

At UCLA: Pac 10 Player of the Year.
1st Team AP All-American

...not exactly Glen Davis

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 15, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh, no chance

I’m using Glen Davis as a contrarian view for anyone that thinks Love is overweight now and thus will be overweight in the NBA.

by NBA Observer on May 15, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why can't Kevin Love do what Okur does?

Damn you Okur. The guy just is too good a shooter to be out of the NBA. Playing for Utah helps.

I just can’t dismiss Kevin Love and Okur is the reason why. What did you think of Spencer Hawes? He’s probably going to start for the Kings in 09-10 at center.

by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh, I'll elaborate

Okur’s listed as 6’11”. We’ll see what Love measures out as, but I’m not optimistic he gets to 6’9”

Also, based on my 4 minute scouting of Kevin Love, Okur has a way quicker release that releases over his head. Love seems to need to ‘load up’ to shoot.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 7, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The size matters

I wonder about the length of his arms. As I’m watching 6’7” Jason Maxiell guard 6’11” Dwight Howard I’m noticing that Maxiell has rather long arms that help him guard these NBA centers. Eek, Ben Wallace has similar attributes to Maxiell and he shoots. :)

Anyway, Okur’s four inches help him defend so that’s something I still consider a negative on Love. If he has body control and the length of his arms is above average I think he can make up for some of the deficiencies.

by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

If Love were a “legit” 6’11” or 7’0”, I’d have a whole different outlook on him. Or, you know, if he at least had the reach of those guys.

by tyger1147 on May 7, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Better Comparison

for Love would probably be Zach Randolph. They’re both about 6-9 and overweight, but they can both rebound and score on the block or facing up with a nice touch out to about 19 feet or so. Love is a better passer and has a better attitude though. I think he can be really good. And I know comparing somebody to Zach Randolph doesn’t sound like a positive thing, but he had moments in Portland where he was a stud and could still be if he had his head screwed on straight.

Okur is a couple inches taller than Love and has deeper range on his shot, but Love is a better rebounder, has a better feel for the game, and is a better scorer and passer from the post.

by rb22 on May 7, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt's point about Okur's shot release

is also reflective of Randolph. Randolph’s shot is difficult to defend because of his release. He essentially has no elevation on a jump shot and neither does Okur.

by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched the rookie league games

to get a look at Chandler and Curry, and Zach Randolph absolutely schooled them. I remember thinking holy shit! this guy can really score. I hadn’t followed him at MSU, and was shocked to see his offensive game.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 7, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I was shocked to see his defensive game. (I threw up.)

"Worker bees can leave.
Even drones can fly away.
The Queen is their slave."

by jpchi on May 7, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess he's still the same player

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 7, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Searching for Love's measurements is difficult

The one place where I was hoping to get them, 2007 Nike Hoop Summit, he missed practice and wasn’t measured. Stan Love says Kevin will attend the pre-draft camp for measurements but will not play. That’s expected.

by NBA Observer on May 7, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Second round thoughts

Every team needs a good bench player. Someone who can come into a game and add some sort of spark to the game. Looking around i found a real good second rounder i think the bulls should get if they have the chance to. His name is Shane Foster, and he reminds me of Jason Kapono, a one dimensional, long range bomber, with size and a real sweet nba ready stroke. He doesnt turn us into an automatic contender, but he can be useful in dire times when offense is lagging. Plus he is a decent defender to boot. Here are some clips and links about him

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qUQyS6M2DAA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9rQkdXt8o9s

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Shan-Foster-434/

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 10, 2008 4:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shan Foster may go in the first round

His shooting percentage and size make him very valuable in a Morris Peterson kind of way.

by NBA Observer on May 10, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget that new shiny sports car, err... point guard.

I guess we’re back lookin’ at Kevin Love with the 9th pick.

Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky

by alec on May 10, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If the Bulls draft Love

say goodbye to tyrus thomas. There is only room on the team for 1 underacheiving power forward. Although for the life of me, I can’t see why the Bulls would bring in Love who is no better than Gooden, and is probably far worse.

by DangerMouse on May 10, 2008 2:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

born winner? work ethic?

accountability, discipline… ::gurgle::

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 10, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

born winner?

Super Bowl XLI MVP Rex Grossman
Chicago Bulls Captain and Starting Point Guard Kirk Hinrich...
Same Person

by 234L on May 10, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must reafirm...

BORN WINNER?

"Adrian Griffin with a Giant Killer" - Tommy Dore
"I haven't seen the floater pitch since Scuffy McGee" - Phil Brickma in Rookie of the Year

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