Tyrus = Dan Roundfield ?
Tyrus Thomas is a pretty unique player in the league. He came in as a shotblocker and garbage-man extraordinaire with tenacity, energy, rebounding effort and lots of intangibles. He came in also as a 19 year old. His comparisons that I've heard have been Shawn Kemp, Stromile Swift and a few others. Out of curiousity, I looked on databasebasketball, the site that used to be basketball-reference.com. Their number one career similarity comparison was a player who played one year in the ABA, then the rest in the NBA.
His name was Dan Roundfield, aka Dr. Rounds. I've never heard of him, but maybe someone on BAB has. He was 6'8" 205lbs, and played 11 seasons in both leagues, averaging 15ppg and 10rpg over his career.
He entered the league at about 22, and Tyrus is not yet 22, so obviously it's not a perfect comparison, though certainly preparation for the NBA can be more accelerated than it used to be. But the more I think about it, the more I realize that we're really expecting a lot from Tyrus in such a short period of time.
In fact, Mr. Roundfield had a very similar rookie campaign to the one that Tyrus is in right now. This makes me think that a player like Tyrus, while certainly his per-minute contributions are positive, might benefit from a gradual transition, but truthfully only depends on the minutes given. Boylan is quite the dumbie, and Tyrus should be playing more, mostly because the success he is having on a limited basis seems to be consistent, even with more minutes.
Mr. Roundfield's career, when used as a comparison, bears this out quite nicely. After a rookie campaign of:
- 11.4mpg 5.1ppg 3.9rpg
Tyrus's rookie campaign:
- 13.2mpg 5.2ppg 3.7rpg
Mr. Roundfield's first year EFF:
- 6.27 in 11.4mpg (22.00 EFF/40mpg)
For reference, Tyrus's EFF last year:
- 6.77 in 13.2mpg (20.30 EFF/40mpg)
Mr. Roundfield's minutes increased in the NBA next year to:
- 27mpg 14ppg 8rpg
for the next several years, until he was 28 he maintained or improved EFF(not a per-minute measure) every year:
- 19.02 19.90 21.25 21.26 22.84 23.20
minutes:
- 20.7 30.7 31.7 32.0 33.8 36.5
for 40 minute averages of:
- 36.75 25.92 26.82 26.58 27.02 25.42
His second year performance was quite remarkable(Consider that Jordan's highest EFF/40mpg was <37), but that might suggest that he was unscouted in the NBA, or played with better teammates, or another reason. After that season, he was very consistent and pretty impressive.
Skill-wise, I'm unaware of the similarities, but the statistics seem to suggest that if Tyrus gets more minutes, and develops like Mr. Roundfield did(big IF), that he won't be a superstar(Though he was a 3-time All-Star), but will be a solid rebounder who can score a little. In fact, Roundfield was pretty impressive to Moses Malone, and should be considered one of the better second round picks, considering his 3 AS appearances(Link to Wikipedia Article.
Excerpt:
"Roundfield earned a reputation as a strong rebounder and tenacious defender, and during his career he was named to five NBA All-Defensive teams and three All-Star teams."Sounds good to me!
Pat on the back for Tyrus:
Tyrus has improved his skill-set and confidence(though Boylan has likely ruined the latter). He took over a game or two, and developed a vastly improved jump shot over the offseason. I think that next year, with a new coach and increased familiarity and security(starting job, too) with his frontcourt teammate, he will flourish.
Given that the offseason has started without a Boston Massacre III, I started thinking ahead already. From my perspective, the biggest upside is the frontcourt, and the biggest liability is the contracts of the frontcourt, though Kirk has been impressive lately, and Gordon could get a favorable sign-and-trade in the offseason. If anyone has any info on the player I used as a comparison, I'd love to learn more about how they compare, skill-wise.
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Hopefully, Thomas will be fine.
But he's been an idiot lately. Dwyer blogged that out of seven halftime jumpshots, Thomas took 6 left-handed. If he truly has let the rest of this retarded Bulls season get to him, then it sucks that he had such a fragile ego, and he'll probably be done. But if a new coach can come in, get Thomas to trust him and actually teach him how to be an NBA player, and not just a Hustler McScrappystein, then I suppose the woes will be worth it.
by tyger1147 on
Mar 30, 2008 10:31 PM CDT
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Hustler McScrappystein!?
Anyway, your post is nothing but speculation, what a waste! :)
More seriously, I agree with most all of this. Tyrus wasn't exactly playing great, but he wasn't the guy I wanted to see benched at the start of the year.
But the way he's seemed to go into a shell since (exhibit A being the continual verbal beatdowns he received from KC Johnson and Sam Smith, B being Dwyer's comments, C being his senior ditch day, and D being Doug Thonus' Bullsbeat dish on him. ) is a major issue. Anyone who looks at all that and doesn't think he's got issues is, imo, deluding themselves.
Beyond that, I'd agree that hopefully he'd be fine, but given all the evidence there, I think it's unlikely things are going to work out well for him here. Which sucks.
by Sports2 on
Mar 30, 2008 11:14 PM CDT
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they're issues that a new coach could fix
I'm not content with them pulling another Chandler and saying 'well, it just wasn't working out here'. Why not? The Chicago Bulls: where 'Larry Hughes working out here' happens?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 30, 2008 11:35 PM CDT
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"Nothing but speculation"???
As for playing time, I'm sure you'll find that the min. he plays when he starts are right in line with what I said. Pts and rebs are also pretty close to 75% of his per36 stats (27 mins of 36).
So yeah, it is speculation, but to completely dismiss as no worth is a little disingenuous.
by tyger1147 on
Mar 31, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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for
by leeac on
Mar 31, 2008 12:19 PM CDT
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that sounds
by NormVanBeer on
Apr 1, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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Explain the mechanics of fixing it?
I'm not saying I'm content with it, I'm saying it's what I expect to happen. If the Pax had a better plan for dealing with Thomas, we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.
by Sports2 on
Mar 31, 2008 12:32 AM CDT
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good point
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 31, 2008 12:38 AM CDT
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also
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 31, 2008 12:40 AM CDT
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One forever difference between
Assuming the old chestnut that defense is largely about desire and hustle, I'd say Thomas is in no danger of falling into the Green and Smith bin.
by alec on
Mar 31, 2008 9:33 AM CDT
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well
by Sambossanova on
Mar 31, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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