Bulls blown out by Sixers
Sixers beat writer Marc Narducci on tonight's game:
The Sixers motor never stops and the Bulls don't appear to be playing with much conviction these days.
That sure was the appearance after the Sixers ran over Chicago, 121-99 on Wednesday, outscoring the Bulls, 30-2 in fastbreak points.
The Sixers most impressive trait is that they go hard virtually every night. Chicago meanwhile, which was coming off a big win on Tuesday over Atlanta, appeared lifeless.
For all the impressive traits of the Sixers, playing hard may be No. 1. Usually the first thing opposing scouts and players mention is how hard the Sixers go at it. And while it's difficult to look into an opponent's collective heart, the Bulls didn't look ready to compete.
Of course much of the blame goes to the Sixers, who came out with an aggressive style and never let up. The Sixers beat the Bulls three games to one this season and in the previous game they overcame an 18-point fourth quarter deficit to win in Chicago. This may be too simplistic, but it seems a case of the Sixers seemingly wanting it more than Chicago these last two games.
The Bulls are an example that talent doesn't always win in the NBA. The Bulls have some talented players, but the pieces seem oddly out of place. The Sixers on the other hand have been a selfless team, never caring about who scores. Against Chicago, the Sixers had 36 assists (including 18 by Andre Miller) and 12 turnovers.
The fact that the Sixers players aren't worried about who lights up the stat sheet is why their scoring is often balanced. Against the Bulls, eight players had eight or more points and five were in double figures, including three off the bench - Lou Williams, Rodney Carney and Thaddeus Young.
The Sixers have beaten a lot of teams lately with more talent (although Chicago doesn't fall in that category).
The key is playing together and right now, it's hard to find a more cohesive bunch than the Sixers and a more dispirited group than the Bulls.
This echoes the article I linked in the game thread, saying that the Sixers are the try-hardy non-stars that the Bulls once were.
But going over that comparison (look at their respective draft places, for one) isn't the point: merely that in these fading days of the season, merely trying can get you some cheap wins. It was usually the time where the Bulls surged towards the playoffs. Now they're the ones playing out the string, not really trying unless it's their turn to chuck up a shot.
One more loss to Atlanta on Friday and even the mouthpieces of the organization can say it's over. By this point, I can't wait.
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Ok so I'll bring it back to TT
has there been a reason recently?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Drew Gooden
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 27, 2008 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
ironic, huh
by bullshooter on Mar 27, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Sixers have been impressive recently ...
What pisses me off the most is that I still don't think the three teams ahead of us for the 8th spot (Atlanta, New Jersey, Indy freaking Ana) are better than us. They all suck.
If we actually fixed our pathetic attitudes and had just an average coach, we could've EASILY slid into that last playoff spot. Just being around .500 gets you a shot at home-court advantage this year in the East.
Unacceptable. We're tanking, but we're really not. We're trying to make the playoffs, but we're really not. How is this not the worst season ever in the history of the Bulls franchise?
Something about the Sixers
Well, it's hard to look at that as an excuse when you see Andre Iguodala, who turned down a similar deal to what our guys were offered, kicking ass and taking names.
For that matter, they've got Louis Williams who's going to be an RFA too. And lets be honest about it, where do we rate Gordon vs. Louis Williams and Monta Ellis?
If you're going to take a look at an RFA undersized scorer, wouldn't you check out both of those guys before you'd look at Gordon?
Talk to me baby
Igoudala, Williams, and Miller just carved up the Bulls with dribble penetration until they drew a second defender. That help usually came from in and around the baseline and the now wide open Sixer players knew exactly where to go, THE RIM. I thought I was watching a college team defend against a pro team.
I'll give the Sixers most of the credit. They are the hottest team in the NBA right now. Since they fired Billy King and hired Ed Stefanski the team is like a whole new operation. More players see the court, Mo Cheeks has job security, Igoudala attacks the rim almost every time he touches the ball, previously hardly playing Rodney Carney comes in and knocks down his wide open shots, nobody seems to know Thaddeus Young is left handed, and I'm burying my face in my hands watching this.
Is Louis Williams better than Gordon? It appears so, but correct for the fact that Gordon is guarding Williams which means Lou is getting to any spot he wants to do further damage. I need to call my uncle, a Sixers fan, and ask him what he thinks. It has to be a helluva lot of fun to watch the Sixers right now.
When Deng and Igoudala both turned down extensions one of the things I thought might be good was if the teams traded for the other. AI to Chicago and Luol to Philly. You have to wonder if Billy King would have done that to maybe save his job.
I think Monta will look a lot worse in any other city other than San Francisco. His defense is worse than Gordon's, but he can do whatever he wants on offense inside Nellieball.
by NBA Observer on Mar 27, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd also give some credit to the Bulls sucking
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Williams and Gordon
Ben shot a little better, rebounded a bit better, and is a slightly better defender (if you can believe that...but if you think about it Williams is even smaller).
Williams with the edge in assist and turnover numbers, as well as getting to the line.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
of course, right now?
It's all relative though, I'm not sure Williams turns down $50m.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
have you seen draft measurements on Williams
by NBA Observer on Mar 27, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
don't know
I'd guess Gordon has pretty long arms too.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
wait a minute
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
For the two guys involved, yes.
Personally, my theory is just that the talent in the rest of the league just exceeded the Bulls' ability to play harder. I always thought the Bulls tradiontially got off to slow starts because their intensity could be more easily matched in the first half when opponents are fresher, healthier, and still motivated because the talent level was generally equal or in favor of the opponent. In the second half, the Bulls would maintain that same level of intensity, but opponents were now tired, injured, or out of the playoff picture and talent would succumb to harder play. This year the first half has become the whole season.
by messwiththebull on Mar 28, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
It's like using a time machine
Thank God the rest of the NBA has been amazing this year, I would have gone clinically insane by now.
Get ready for your '12 Sixers!
Be more reasonable, the Bulls are way ahead of the Sixers at this point.
One thing i dont get is
they don't go to the hot hand
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
if you watched the game
by danger mouse on Mar 27, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
more screaming at the TV
by NBA Observer on Mar 27, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't get
They have only won the 2nd part of a back-to-back 3 times this season, so last night's loss was expected. But I didn't think they would completely lay an egg. How do you go from 31 points one night to 0 points the next?? Dang, I don't think anyone was expecting 31 again, but at least give me 12-15. Not to pick on Gooden, but his last two games have been a microcosm of the Bulls play all season long.
In case anyone hasn't realized it yet, this team has mentally checked out. Inconsistency has been the M.O. all season long. Everyone has zoned out (players and coaches) and they're ready for the season to end. NOW they finally know how us fans feel...just get it over with!
Was i seeing it right last night
They seem to be a team with a few players who thrive on taking you off the dribble--Iggy and Louis Williams get to the basket at will against Deng and Gordon/Hinrich.
I can see the comparison to last year's Bulls in terms of energetic team play, but they look to me like a completely differently constructed team--good, quick ball handlers vs. stand-around jump-shooters.
completely agree
If the sixers are smart about keeping lou williams and having him learn the finer points of handling the team from andre miller, and they keep iggy, their upside is way higher than the bulls' ever was. They really are just time and a decent post scorer away from being eastern contenders.
let's not get ahead of ourselves
by bullshooter on Mar 27, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Ben Gordon
I forgot to mention
Spot on.
Noah +7,7
Thomas +4,8
Thabo +3,9
Kirk +2,2
Noc +1,2
Hughes +1,1
Duh -0,7
Gooden -1,6
Deng -2,9
BG -8,7!!
KC Johnson thought Kirk had been the worst player on the Bulls this year. What an idiot. Can't take him seriously after that. It's clearly BG.
Wonder if somebody is regretting not signing some contracts... Neither should make that amount for their entire careers anyway.
I would keep Duhon over both BG and Hughes, but due to the contract that's not gonna happen. no way does Cheapo Jerry buy him out. Hell, he doesn't even bother paying for a proper GM or coach. Imagine if he had resigned Phil in `98! He SHOULD have a Jerry Sloan thing going in Chicago if Cheapo wasn't all about the green.
Enough with the rambling... Im thru
by Bass on Mar 27, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I forgot Gray
Making our RFA's the worst on the team in this category. Thank you for not signing, guys! ;)
by Bass on Mar 27, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
those aren't even correct
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
bah I was looking at a different page
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand you find it hard to take in
I said specifically in THIS statistical category but of course you conveniently choose to ignore that.
To further clarify (since that obviously is needed with you) I do not think that Deng is the second worst player on the team. I do however believe (and the stats vehemently support this) that BG has had the most profound negative influence on Bulls play this year. Although that may just be because Boylan doesn't show up in the statsheet... ;)
by Bass on Mar 27, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
It might also be fair to say that, if anything,
Good point :)
But it's not like Matt is the only one being suckered by BG's "Sweet-shooting" "high production". The announcers at the Philly game introduced BG as "sixth man extraordinaire"... (Barf!)
by Bass on Mar 27, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
true to the point
Gotta love those numbers
by Bass on Mar 27, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
that makes Gordon look even worse on defense
Did you see BG
Deng and Gordon
Unfortunately game-streaming for me has
by Bass on Mar 27, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Phil didn't leave due to money........
Krause was really pushing for Floyd to come in before the 97-98 season, but JR knew if that happened, Michael would retire (again) in a heartbeat. He didn't want to pass on a chance for at least one more title. (Hell, I still think the Bulls could have won in '99. Remember, Pippen missed 35 games at the start of the year and the Bulls still finished 62-20, tied for the best record in the league)
Remember, after Jackson was signed at the start of the season, Krause made the comment "Phil Jackson has been signed on as coach for the upcoming season, it will BE HIS LAST as head coach of the Chicago Bulls!"
by BullsAttitude on Mar 27, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget Hughes is also eating Thabo's minutes
I just get that feeling when i see hughes
I liked thabo starting, and i liked ben gordon coming off the bench for instant offense. I actually wouldnt mind gordon starting and thabo coming off the bench to relieve gordons short comings (no pun intended), i dont like hughes as nothing more then a reserve. If i were coaching i would tell hughes straight up, drive, slash, and dont take a shot that is not within 10 feet of the basket, because he seems to be able to get the line alot better then anyone else.
by piccolomair on Mar 27, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Great article
If every one sees that, why Boylan doesn't? What a stupid coach!!!
I HATE BOYLAN... AND HUGHES
Regarding "I hate ... Hughes"
I'm ready to go back to starting Thabo & Kirk - make Hughes the 3rd or 4th guard on the team.
It was wishful thinking that he'd go back
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Plus, I don't think I've ever seen
I resemble that comment
by bullshooter on Mar 27, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
look no
We're spoiled with Pippen and Jordan
I sure hope so.
by NBA Observer on Mar 27, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Excellent point
by California Al on Mar 27, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention with Hughes,
In my mind
the one positive part of the Boylan era
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
And don't forget how he
"Unearthed"
by Bass on Mar 27, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
he only unearthed him
Actually he started
not really
he only really had that one 26 minute game, and given tt's jerking around, it could easily have been a one time thing if kirk hadn't been injured in that game immediately following it.
Considering he
again, not true
he did have 1 game where it says 0 min, but other than that, boylan did match his season low in minutes (2) on one of the occasions. skiles played him only 2 minutes twice. most nights he played at LEAST 5 minutes, hitting 14+ minutes 10 times, 20+ minutes 4 times.
and
but now i was just refuting the point that boylan was really playing him any more than skiles was.
I was mostly going by
In Dec. there were 12 games in which all four guards played in the same game. Thabo had 81 minutes in those 12 games for 6.75 min. average for those games.
In Jan. under Boylan there were 7 games in which all four guards played in the same game. Thabo had 97 minutes in those 7 games for 13.8 min. average for those games.
I guess we disagree on when he gained his confidence.
he didn't
and he still had quite a few 0 pters in there (4, 5 if you count the Myers interim game) in his first games after skiles. 4/5 if you don't count the spurs game, 5/6 if you do. even the game where he played 26 minutes he only scored 2 pts. next game 9, next 17. that 9 had matched his season high back in november. his other stats (assists, rebounds) weren't better than anything he had done all season, either. no confidence until his 17 pt/6 reb game in his 2nd start. followed that up with 9/8, and then a double double with 12 pts 13 rebounds.
his minutes may have increased slightly in his dec vs initial boylan games, but his stats didn't until he got into the starting lineup. confidence? he hadn't taken more than 5 shots since november before, when? his 2nd start, the 17 point game. seems like that's when he gained his confidence, to me.
I totally agree with you, Sue :)
And I have a solution for the problem this creates... See we Duh have a guard on the bench who's a PG. Little used... Can't remember his name, though...
Why not use him and alternate Hughes and BG at SG (See, I'm being nice. I could've said bury BG. :) )
by Bass on Mar 27, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
As much as I hate Boylan
I'll defend him on this one point.
I think he would actually like to start Thabo with Kirk but you have to factor in Thabo's injury and they already have said they would like to limit his minutes for the rest of the season.
If that indeed is the case, Thabo not starting should be justified
I think they could still start him
You do have a point...
Sorry, don't buy it :)
by Bass on Mar 27, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Why not buy out Hughes?
You'll have to ask Jerry Reinsdorf about that...
by Bass on Mar 27, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't make basketball sense to buy him out
- One option is to buy out Hughes and pay him $26M to stay home. Since he's not playing, how do you fill those minutes? I'd argue you probably need to re-sign Ben Gordon then. I'd even argue Hughes is 80% the player, on the whole, that Ben is. If I had to win a game, I'd want Ben. But then you're paying him probably a minimum of $16-17M, and perhaps more over the same period. So you get a cost of $42M and a slightly better player on the court.
- A second option is to continue to play Hughes and hope you can trade Ben Gordon for something. Let's say you can get a late lottery or mid first round pick for him. Some folks will grown I spose, but there's plenty to like if you use that pick wisely. Every year there's a Thad Young, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, or Tayshaun Prince sort of guy around. So you end up paying $2M or so to get a guy like that. And while that guy is coming around, yes, you've lost Gordon, but Hughes is still 80% of what Gordon was and you've got to pay him anyway.
- You let Gordon walk for nothing, or he takes the QO. This is a pretty damaging outcome because you don't really get any long-term replacement, except Hughes, who isn't very good to start with.
- You resign Gordon for whatever, and spend $42M. OK, but if you're going to do that, you have a pretty hard time doing anything else for the next few years. How does that work with Thabo? And how do the minutes go around? You also miss out on a way (combining him with Gordon) to move Nocioni off the books, since he's clearly overpaid too.
I'm not sure Gordon+Nocioni
If anything, Thabo is the bait to move Noc, and Larry Hughes is 90% of Thabo.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
you heretic!
by bullshooter on Mar 27, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
how about...
Haha, that was so not the point.
by Bass on Mar 27, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
'cause then you can't trade him?
He should be relegated to a Pargo role.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Re: Salary filler can be useful
I say the primary reason they don't buy him out is Jerry being cheap.
by Bass on Mar 27, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
buyouts don't get you cap space
It's unlikely, but bad contacts get moved all the time.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
on Hughes
by NBA Observer on Mar 27, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Looking ahead to the summer,
They still seem to me to be the most natural trading partner for the Bulls. A little shuffling of their point guard bottleneck with our overabundance of shooting guards would seem to result in better balance for both clubs.
I'd take any one of their three in exchange for anyone but Thabo from the Bulls.
or just trade Thabo
along those lines
and along those lines
'stud' Thabo turns over the ball more than 'BBIQ -100 LOL' Tyrus Thomas.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
and that's per posession used
(you all should've assumed that, btw)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
cause Alec's brimming wth Thabo love?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
well
based on the simple fact
he's played 1100 minutes
Hinrich and Gordon both have a better plus-minus track record, and their box score stats blow away Thabo in down years. Hinrich has a better inside eFG% too.
That addresses
Box score stats are nice to look at..but they don't take into account defense or intangibles. Kirk can get a lot of assists and people will look at the box score and think Kirk has great court vision or something. In reality, there was a sequence where Noah established post position. Kirk would ignore him and start dribbling around the perimeter. Noah comes in to set a screen for Hinrich and rolls to the basket. Hinrich ignores him again. Then Noah's man leaves him to double Hinrich. Noah is wide open under the basket. Hinrich ignores him for the third straight time and passes it around the perimeter. It kills me to see that.
I'm glad you're the arbiter
more succinctly
Sefolosha doesn't even stand out using plus-minus metrics. He's nothing special.
so let me get this straight
ya know...
They will be better than last year. But they're still not good enough. The answer is getting updgrades not letting the good players go.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
did I say that?
So..
ahem
lol
plus-minus
well
here's your problem
I usually look at
it isn't a season's worth of data
yep
11.4 PER, 96 ORtg in 2007-08
I don't think
So..
well
This is probably off topic but...
by piccolomair on Mar 28, 2008 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
No way
I dunno about the adjusted +/-
(For those of you not paying attention, that is net +/- per 100 poss. The best stat to evaluate players as long as the PT is sufficiently high (albeit with a slight additional skewing for traded players.))
by Bass on Mar 29, 2008 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions
and there isn't a magical cut off point
Yeah, like I'm the only one here
But maybe hscs is right--maybe Thabo really does have a low ceiling. So fine, trade him.
I think the Bulls most glaring, desperate need is for an elite point guard...and if the Bulls can't get Rose or Augustin, I think Lowry might be the next closest available player with elite potential
I'd be happy with either
neither of them are PURE
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
now that I re-read your original point
Memphis isn't going to take on salary like Hinrich, Hughes, or Gordon.
So you're basically saying you want to deal Thabo for Lowry or Crittenton.
Which seems pretty lateral but whatever. I'd keep Thabo and make him the backup 3 for Deng after we finally pawn off the Bulls' Rasheed Wallace (without basketball skills or smarts) Nocioni.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Both Lowry and Crittenton
When he came out of Villanova, he could do everything except shoot, and I wasn't that enamored of him; but he seems to have put in a lot of work on his shot, and he's not at all bad anymore.
who cares what they are
Crittenton can improve
But that's why I don't want him.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
The Bulls, after all,
it's amazing that with all those skills
He's shorter, too!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't care about shortness
If that were your criterion, you'd have to rule out Chris Paul.
do you care that he's not that good then?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
He's a second year player
I don't think he's had much of an opportunity yet. But from what I've seen of him, I think he's going to be really good...easily better than anyone on the Bulls current roster.
Alec
by bullshooter on Mar 27, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Point guard and post scoring,
In terms of pg's , you either draft one or trade for one--unless you think we already have one (Hinrich?) on the roster. And if you can't get one of the couple coming out this year, where are you going to turn?
The only other positive suggestion that's been mentioned here is by Sports2, when he suggested trading with Portland for Fernandez.
Hey, I'm just trying to open the floor for nominations. I'll happily consider any name you bring forward.
there's one in Hinrich
so find someone better. That's my positive suggestion.
Rudy Fernandez isn't even in the league, and I don't think Lowry is better.
Trade for Paul, Billups, Williams, Nash, Calderon, Davis, Parker, Harris
Not really available. TJ Ford may be, but there's a reason, and that's because he has a case of snappy neck.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
more like stuck
They will have a roster spot at backup PG if they want to try someone unproven. I'm still kicking myself for not liking that trade rumor of "Nocioni for Nets garbage and Marcus Williams". But saying 'I'd deal anyone for a Grizzly and make them the full-time PG' isn't a good enough solution for me.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Then what do you focus on
Other than the obvious--a new coaching staff--are you saying the Bull's biggest need is a back-up point guard? (I know you're not saying that.) Where do we need a talent upgrade?
In your view, is this year simply an aberration? Has our abysmal season been all about trade rumors and failed contract talks?
You need to broaden your perspective
If I understand you correctly,
Norm Van Lier, for example, has said that, if he were coach, the first thing he'd change is the style of offense the team plays. I liked the SI article CalAl showed us about the DDM offense. Is our team too full of bad handling jump shooters to go that route?
These are the questions I'd like to hear your and Matt's, bullshooter's, hscs' (and many other knowledgeable folks here besides) thoughts about.
What really needs to change?
I dont think that is what snely was getting at
If you think hinrich or the pg spot is the problem, then you should get someone who is proven better then hinrich, not someone who may be better or else you are going one step back. Same with every other position, gooden is good, but if Brand is available, then give up gooden and tyrus and get gooden. Ben Gordon is a great scorer, but if you can get gilbert arenas, then trade him.
Snely put it in good words, the biggest problem with the team is that it DOESNT have a position that really is weak, the players on the team are fairly good and no one player or position is bringing the rest of the team down. Sure trading hinrich for chris paul or D. Williams, or steve nash, or any other top 10 pg would help, but to trade for a player who sort-of maybe can be better then hinrich (based on a fans personal objective reasoning) is probably no where near the answer.
Consider the ben wallace trade, ben walllace was someone who wasnt doing anything, he was horrid, the clear cut problem on the bulls roster, the worst player we had (along with a.g.). What happened, the two got traded, sure we got hughes, but i like to see it this way, we traded wallace for gooden (a guy who is close to averaging a double double for us, vs a guy who couldnt jump in the double digits) and ag for hughes (a guy who really couldnt do anything, for a guy who can do alot even though its not always effective). THey were clear upgrades, right now there isnt alot of clear cut upgrades out there.
I don't have to Sue.
Did you read what he responded to? snley made a long post that pretty well explained a logical position, and all dim-witted alec gets out of that snley thinks the most pressing need is PF? Why not PG, he almost mentioned that position once? snley did, however, mention about 3 or 4 times, in different language, that he thinks there is no glaring weakness on the team (except for the coaches), and that an upgrade to any position is welcome. And all alec gets is that snley wants to upgrade at PF?!?!
I was hoping he was just having a fun jab. You know, someone goes into a long-winded, well-put explanation, and just to rib him/her you say, "So what you're saying is..." and then get it completely wrong. I was hoping that's what it is. Apparently, I was wrong.
Well thats a relief
by piccolomair on Mar 28, 2008 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
ha-ha
Tyger, of course, is free to believe that surface is all there is...or to assume the possibility of depth. Should he choose the latter, he might discover that, especially when the appearance of surface-only is strongest, in truth it will almost never be the case.
If you look at the lists
improve by getting better players
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Matt,
The disillusionment has set in.
Also, I love TJ Ford,
TJ? might as well get Starbury
TJ finished with respectable numbers, but his ridiculous turnovers cost the Raptors the game. His selfish play has earned him a one way ticket out of Toronto this offseason.
As someone stated above, PG is a difficult position to upgrade. Kirk doesn't have the greatest court vision, but any draft prospect (not named Paul or Deron) take at least 3 years to develop. I would say there are 6 pass-first PGs better than Hinrich right now (Paul, Deron, Nash Kidd, Billups, Miller, and Calderon). Conley, Lowry, Marcus Williams, etc will take time to develop. The Bulls will have an easier time upgrading at the SG or SF positions.
Why do you guys gave credit to Boylan?
You say that he did a great job turning Thabo into a good player, but i totally disagree. I think Thabo it's playing great because he develop his skills, like the most second year players. Not because of Boylan. Ok, you can say that with skiles we didn't saw the best of thabo, but, maybe, just maybe, with other coach that not Boylan we could see the same thing about thabo. Boylan is so bad, that TT is all most the same player of the last year - besides now he can make some jump shots -, and Deng, BG and Hinrich are all playing worst...
Boylan
That's not entirely
I wasn't
A big problem with our team is that there is no one really good enough to unquestionably claim minutes but no one so bad (besides Duhon and some trash from our recent trade) that should be taken out of the rotation. We got a ton of mediocre players who all want 30 minutes a game and might do a little better if they got it. As fans we can list the ones we'd rather be getting those minutes, but none to me stand out as people who should be getting those minutes if I were judging them be league standards. I like Thabo, but even at his best he is just one in a pack of so-so guys.
I rather see...
Hey, Pax!!! Get rid of Hughes, or BG, or Noc, but not Thabo please...
You'd probably get more out
(If it was intentional, rock on.)
by Bass on Mar 27, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Thabo is great?!?!
Thank you for that reference, brings back memories
lol
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I have netflix
anyone notice Sam's farewell mailbag today
That could be an opportunity, though I'm not sure we have anything that would entice Cuban. Maybe TT, BG (as a jason terry protege) noce and draft picks...
he likely just wrote that
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
dirk?
I guess you could always
Couldn't do anything??!
If Sam isn't just trying to get Cuban's head to finally explode, we should go hard after Dirk and retool around him, thabo, noah and maybe deng, go after a good young point that can penetrate (like lowry). Oh, and actually hire a good coach.
Sam's NCAA bracket entry for the
I'm sure someone edits the mailbag.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 27, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, was actually referring to his appearance
I taped the game Saturday
A nice way to get in a dig.
Smith is going on the Comcast payroll
Sam Smith also said he wasn't ONLY working for Comcast. Apparently he has another gig going for him.
by NBA Observer on Mar 27, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
from a Sixers fan's perspective
either they don't listen to the coach or they are puposely playing "against" him
either way, it's THE PLAYERS looking stupid more than the coach
maybe this was already said before but I'm too lazy to read all the previous 178 comments, sorry
I hope better days will come for the Bulls, I'm enjoying my Sixers finally !!
by Ricky Sixers4guidos on Mar 27, 2008 6:31 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks for the insight
by NBA Observer on Mar 27, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That happens quite alot
by piccolomair on Mar 28, 2008 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I engaged some Nuggets fans
by NBA Observer on Mar 28, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed
by piccolomair on Mar 28, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Anyone think we could trade Tyrus for Bogut?
I don't think there's any way
I'd rather trade Noah for Bogut
Yeah
There was a style of poetry
Alain Robbe-Grillet ??
Yikes!
I used to read him as a more-or-less literary counterpart to Philip Glass...page after page, chapters, even, of description about a fly crawling down a curtain. (Hence the connection to the Parrotman/hscs discussion creeping one word at a time down the right-hand margin.)
No Problem
Come blog with us Sam Smith
An open conversation about the Bulls is light years ahead of a single column.
I need to mess around with the comment code from the website Shacknews.com. I think their comments section is among the best formats on the Internet. Wikipedia has a primer if you're interested.
by NBA Observer on Mar 28, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
sb nation has a whole new internetface
I'd test drive the new system
by NBA Observer on Mar 28, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
nevermind i found it
that's key to using the site
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 28, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions

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