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Open Game Thread #70: Bulls vs. Atlanta Hawks

I've been out of town the past few days, and during that time was in a state of blissful ignorance in terms of the Bulls on-court performance. After reading about them (and yes, I went through both entertaining game threads), it seems like they just crapped the bed against a far superior Spurs team, and pulled the Boylan Sabotage Special against Indiana.

No matter,  I've been checked out ever since that game against Philly. Not rooting for them to tank, but hoping they lose. Sadly this team is too dumb to even tank properly, or I should say 'conventionally'. I guess Boylan's strategy is very effective, even if it's his imbecilic quest towards securing the head coaching job, and securing playoff funds for the Bulls.

So I've given up on wanting playoffs, and after these past 2 games put them 3 games out and 3 teams out, it's over. However a loss tonight (7:30pm CST, CSN) may finally produce the organizational message of the same. I don't even want them to stop trying, I just want them to stop saying they're trying. It's annoying.

Atlanta is the semi-secured 8th seed, and Hollinger's playoff predictor (which is actually useful by this time of the season) has them at 61% odds of holding on. The Bulls are at 3.9%. To illustrate how futile those odds are, they have a 1.4% chance of winning the draft lottery.

Like the Bulls, the Hawks have an interesting group of free agents available in Josh Smith and Josh Childress. I don't believe they were even offered contract extensions to turn down, yet somehow they persevered where Deng and Gordon didn't.

Lets hope they continue that and beat the Bulls tonight and put us all out of our misery. At least until Boylan says they still have a shot, both the Bulls for the playoffs and he for the head coaching position. But during the game I won't be openly rooting against them, just detachedly watching the game and exuding a simmering hate for Boylan and Paxson. And most of the players. And Solomon Jones, just because. 

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For the love
of God please let Luol Deng have a fantastic four quarters tonight.

Your man Sam had his last appearance as an employee of the Tribune on CTL tonight but he's going to be a regular once a week on CTL as their basketball expert.

by sue369 on Mar 25, 2008 7:04 PM CDT   0 recs

I really am sad
to see Sam go.  I'm not his biggest fan, and I disagree with alot of his stuff, but at least he said what he thought.

by JeffD on Mar 25, 2008 7:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

heh
you still want the Bulls to win?

by Illini15 on Mar 25, 2008 7:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just want
Deng to have a good game so we aren't subjected to the resident Deng basher again tonight. It's the same shit every game night.

by sue369 on Mar 25, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I must officially be THE MAN since....
...Sue can't stop thinking about me :)

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 25, 2008 9:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Man? Um no
whiner is more like it.

by sue369 on Mar 26, 2008 7:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Keep it comin' Sue!
One of the true joys of being a man is getting under a woman's skin about something and knowing you're doing it. I love that I have affected you in such a way that you can't leave me alone Sue :)

You and I are a match made in heaven!  We were meant to blog together...LOL

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 26, 2008 7:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Now that I am used to it
These fourth quarter collapses are actually kind of nice.  If they weren't going to go deep in the playoffs, then by all means move up the lottery ladder.  For three quarters we can get a glimpse of the future, and in the fourth we can secure a spot in the lottery.  I'd actually like to see whoever the bulls have decided to or are considering dumping play the whole 4th quarter.  Let Hughes be as aggressive as he wants to be, but only play him 5 minutes in the first half.
Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 25, 2008 7:32 PM CDT   0 recs

Agreed
on all counts there. Hopefully Thabo gets some good minutes tonight.

by Illini15 on Mar 25, 2008 7:35 PM CDT   0 recs

I'd like to see
Thabo/Kirk/Joakim/Tyrus/Aaron Gray lineup...I can deal without Kirk or AG but please let me see Thabo/Ty/Joakim---they are the most entertaining to watch.
At least if we make the playoffs at the 8th seed, Tyrus can get back at Posey for breaking his nose...

by AGBallinisaHabit on Mar 25, 2008 7:43 PM CDT   0 recs

I can deal without Kirk
especially when he's picking his nose in the paint while Bibby is on the arc...swish...

Ugh.

And Gooden has ALL of the Bulls first 10 points.

Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Mar 25, 2008 7:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Beard
is bangin' tonight! 5-5!

by Illini15 on Mar 25, 2008 7:46 PM CDT   0 recs

Two winning, playoff teams last night -
the Lakers and Warriors...

And tonight - two LOSING, likely NON playoff teams - the Bulls and Hawks...

What a glaring difference.

Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Mar 25, 2008 7:51 PM CDT   0 recs

That's what you get
when you play kissie-face with Coach B!

by ChrisRobin on Mar 25, 2008 7:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

link anyone?
channelsurfing.net is audio only and i can't find it on sopcast
At least if we make the playoffs at the 8th seed, Tyrus can get back at Posey for breaking his nose...

by AGBallinisaHabit on Mar 25, 2008 8:00 PM CDT   0 recs

that must be coaching
did you see how they got that ball to BG for the last shot?  I can smell the improvement.
Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 25, 2008 8:05 PM CDT   0 recs

30 games seems like a dream at this point
this team stinks blow it up pax, only noah, thabo, tyrus, and deng.

by armstrong2389 on Mar 25, 2008 8:06 PM CDT   0 recs

wish granted!
At least if we make the playoffs at the 8th seed, Tyrus can get back at Posey for breaking his nose...

by AGBallinisaHabit on Mar 25, 2008 8:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

don't look now
but Thabo/TT/Noah are in.
Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 25, 2008 8:08 PM CDT   0 recs

I could be wrong
but Gooden looks to me like everything the bulls have been lacking as a low post scorer.  He obviously isn't a good choice as a lone big man in a small-ball lineup, but that's a dumb strategy anyway.
Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 25, 2008 8:37 PM CDT   0 recs

If you are wrong
Than I am wrong too. Because I 100% agree with every single word you said.

by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Mar 25, 2008 8:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hey where have you been?
lexdiamonds was looking for you a few diaries ago...
Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 25, 2008 8:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm here.
You know Bullshooter, I was lookin' at some of my old posts.  You know what the root of my Deng issues are?  The $50 million he turned down and this is contract time for him.  I don't really bother with Gordon because although I like Gordon and I think he'll get a big offer, I don't think he'll be a Bull next year or at the very least 2 years from now.  

If anyone cares to look at what I've said about Deng they'll notice that I like the guy.  I think he's a nice player but not a $50 million dollar guy and I don't want to keep him at that amount.  This is why i'm so critical and argumentative regarding him.  Now $35 million for 5 years is more reasonable and I'd love to keep him at around that amount.  But at anything more than that I don't like it.  I mean guys like Chauncey Billups and Gilbert Arenas make $10 million a year.  If we pay someone like that then I want it to be a player like that.

So there you have it.  The source of all my anti-Deng rants.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 25, 2008 10:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

isn't noc's contract
like 5/40?

so deng isn't getting less than that.  period.  i know noc's contract is the source of much angst around here, but regardless of whether he deserves it, deng is going to command more.

"Joakim Noah looks like a young Kimberly Williams." - my mom

by Jaina on Mar 25, 2008 10:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep 5 yr/38 million...
...and i think that's a bit much for Nocioni and thats why we'll look to move him this offseason.  May even look to move Hinrich because his deal isn't looking so hot either.  That's exactly why I'm not too keen on overpaying for Deng or Gordon for that matter.  In the case of Deng where we see that he's a bit more mentally fragile than any of us thought.  In the case of Gordon, he can be a big time scorer in this league but you're gonna have to sacrafice other things with him and it becomes a case of being able to live with what he can't do...for the right price.  I'd like to keep them both, BUT at respectable numbers.  We'll see what they get offered though and if the Bulls decide to match their offers since they are both restricted.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 25, 2008 11:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

5/50 is 20% more
and while 2+ mil/year might not sound like a lot, it actually is.
Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 26, 2008 10:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let me reiterate
I am not arguing with you, I more or less agree, just not as redundantly.
Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 26, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL...I hear ya shooter.
And I agree completely shooter.  I will stop bangin' on the guy.  Probably never should have started, but like I explained before, it was just me being against the 50 mil thing and having so many people argue with me about him being worth more and that took on a life of its own.

But judging from the new post Matt has about the dirt (which I haven't read or heard yet by the way), it sounds like Deng has other things on his mind, as do several of the Bulls players.  But don't think for one minute that issues are unique to this Bulls team.  Even the best teams always have some internal bullsh!t going on, but the good teams are able to overcome it.  It's been the death of us due to our lack of leadership and I split that blame between our entire so called "core" and our GM Paxson for assembling such a team with no true leadership...and worse yet not being able to develop one.  

One thing is certain.  This will be an interesting off-season and I will be watching very carefully as I'm sure many here will be.

You are officially "The Man" now shooter!!!

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 26, 2008 1:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gooden
Daddy llllliiiiiikkkkkeeeeeeeeyyyy!!!

So how long til Boylan goes small to tank this game away? What is the over/under on that?

by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Mar 25, 2008 8:42 PM CDT   0 recs

This poor blog is dying
(sad face)
"to the children: Fuck the Bulls." - Matt

by NittanyBull on Mar 25, 2008 8:46 PM CDT   0 recs

I think that started`
when we called Eddie Curry's mom and wife fat.  :-0
Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 25, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

seriously
is no one watching this game tonight?

by Illini15 on Mar 25, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hear you
but it's odd - I just don't have anything to say about this team anymore.  I like the folks here, and it's entertaining to read, but we've been repeating ourselves for a long time now.  This team has just beaten the interest out of me with their poor play, strife, inept coaching, overall petulence and mediocre talent level.  The good news is - and I think this holds true for a lot of us who are posting less often - as soon as the Bulls show even the faintest sign of life we'll be right back.  

The Bulls may not rise again, but Blogabull will.  

by Freethefro on Mar 25, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gordon's line:
9 points in 8 minutes.  Is that correct?

by Freethefro on Mar 25, 2008 8:52 PM CDT   0 recs

yeah
he was scoring too much so Boylan took him out

by Illini15 on Mar 25, 2008 9:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he was scoring too much so Boylan took him out
haha...
In another time and circumstance, that would be really funny....(sigh)   :-(
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Mar 25, 2008 9:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Al Horford is
one crappy defender

by YaoPau on Mar 25, 2008 9:02 PM CDT   0 recs

not usually
I saw him do a great job on Jermaine Oneal, Kevin Garnett, and Andrew Bynum this season. He is a power forward that they play out of position, he also held Dwight Howard to only 10 points the other night.

As an excuse, plus he is very young anyways.

by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Mar 25, 2008 9:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that was a great break
Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 25, 2008 9:03 PM CDT   0 recs

This is all setting up perfectly
for the inevitable, epic 4th quarter meltdown

by Illini15 on Mar 25, 2008 9:05 PM CDT   0 recs

don't for a second think
that they won't blow this.
Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 25, 2008 9:05 PM CDT   0 recs

a good run
good run in the 3rd. drew gooden doin his thing. wonder if the 4th will make me cry again though?

by Yibs on Mar 25, 2008 9:06 PM CDT   0 recs

gordon
gordon perfect from the floor and sitting on the bench. hughes 3-10 and eating up minutes. boylan's gotta go..

by Yibs on Mar 25, 2008 9:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Note: We are up 12, and Boylan just went small
First play for Atlanta: Childress drives to the hoop for a layup... here goes!!

by YaoPau on Mar 25, 2008 9:16 PM CDT   0 recs

... and 1 for Joe Johnson... then a layup... up 5
this might be my last Bulls game of the year.

by YaoPau on Mar 25, 2008 9:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Boylan puts in Noah!!!
... and takes out Gooden.  Blood is coming out of my eyes.  Bulls up 3...

by YaoPau on Mar 25, 2008 9:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nevermind
Boylan is in control.

by YaoPau on Mar 25, 2008 9:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Collapse?
12 pt lead, heading to 4th.  Will Noah play?  Will Hughes continue to choke?  Who knows.

Will Boylan disappoint?  Of course.

by danger mouse on Mar 25, 2008 9:17 PM CDT   0 recs

i know this lineup is really helping
assuage ones fears of imminent collapse

by lampnasty on Mar 25, 2008 9:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Noc and Deng in at the same time?
What a joke. Here we go again...

by Illini15 on Mar 25, 2008 9:19 PM CDT   0 recs

oh no
the score has gotten closer

we must have went small

by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Mar 25, 2008 9:20 PM CDT   0 recs

and now, to add to the ugly game loss memories,
we have the pukable image in our heads of Boylan kissing Noc on the head....
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Mar 25, 2008 9:20 PM CDT   0 recs

Small guards,
Gooden at center, Nocioni at PF, and Boylan blows.  All is right with the world.

by Freethefro on Mar 25, 2008 9:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not tonight!
Atlanta sucks too hard.

by Freethefro on Mar 25, 2008 9:20 PM CDT   0 recs

speaking of fro's...
with those DOPEY ears Childress has - one can certainly understand him trying to "lose" them in his big fro....     :-)
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Mar 25, 2008 9:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

don't look now
they're within 5
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Mar 25, 2008 9:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When is the last time Wallace had 29 adn 14???
LoL

Have Wallce AND Joe Smith combined for 29 and 14 at any time?

What about Wallace and PJ from last year?

by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Mar 25, 2008 9:23 PM CDT   0 recs

kirk guarding joe johnson
should not occur

by lampnasty on Mar 25, 2008 9:24 PM CDT   0 recs

kirk on Joe Johnson
is not a recipe for success.
Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 25, 2008 9:24 PM CDT   0 recs

Is everyone on the coaching staff
really this dumb?  Can they not see something so obvious?  We don't play defense because we have our two worst interior defenders (Noc and Gooden) in at the same time.  Its not that hard.  Put Noah back in!

by danger mouse on Mar 25, 2008 9:24 PM CDT   0 recs

T-A-N-K-I-N-G
that's all there is to it

by Illini15 on Mar 25, 2008 9:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that makes me feel even worse
Im a strong believer in Karma and I laughed/cheered when the Celtics got the 5th pick last year after tanking (same with Grizzlies and Bucks) all getting the worst possible pick they could while stand-up teams like the Blazers, Sonics and Hawks got the top 3 picks jumping up.

So yeah, there goes all my faith in a lotto pick as we tank. (I'll root against them too almost if I wasnt such a diehard homer, I HATE TANKING and am totally against it and all the principles of it.)

by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Mar 25, 2008 9:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Joe Johnson
is a stud.

He's a hell-of-a young player.

by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Mar 25, 2008 9:24 PM CDT   0 recs

You're totally right
and he's even more badass when guarded by a 6'3, 190 lbs defender!

by Freethefro on Mar 25, 2008 9:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As long as he's not jacking up threes
he looks good.  When he's spraying and praying from beyond the arc he looks like an average guard.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 26, 2008 8:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is that
A Nocioni/Deng front court I see?!?

by torch on Mar 25, 2008 9:27 PM CDT   0 recs

I give up. I give up. I give up.
Thabo for Gooden.  I give up.

by danger mouse on Mar 25, 2008 9:27 PM CDT   0 recs

Haha, within three
this team is such a joke in the most asinine ways possible.
"to the children: Fuck the Bulls." - Matt

by NittanyBull on Mar 25, 2008 9:28 PM CDT   0 recs

Atlanta is undersized
So Boylan had to go one step further and go "SUPER-SMALL" for the 4th quarter special tonight.

by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Mar 25, 2008 9:31 PM CDT   0 recs

Not 4th quarter special
The 4th quarter "Boylan sabotage special" is what I meant to say.

by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Mar 25, 2008 9:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

heck of a finish
by Noah.

by Freethefro on Mar 25, 2008 9:34 PM CDT   0 recs

clean block!

by Freethefro on Mar 25, 2008 9:36 PM CDT   0 recs

and with 4 minutes left and 5 fouls
why not just let Noah finish?
What....is Boylan gonna save him for garbage time?

Good grief...

Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Mar 25, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Horford
what does he have feet for hands or something? Wow we got lucky there.

Hey if Hinrich hit that last shot I was about to go off on a rant of how he almost looked like the old Kirk that I knew and loved from 05-the first half of the 06-07 season (especially 06 playoffs).

But then he just missed the shot and I frowned instead while wondering how a good young pointguard with so much promise can fall off so far.....

What the heck took so long for Gooden to get back in the game?!?!? And why does it have to be for Noah!?!?? Why cant we have both of them in the game, is that a 4th quarter rule for the "Boylan sabotage special"?!??!?!?

by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Mar 25, 2008 9:37 PM CDT   0 recs

do you only show up
when Deng plays well in the 4th quarter?
Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 25, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We don't have to match up with them
we can make them match up with us... Noah, Gooden, Deng, Sefo, Hinrich - not too hard.

by danger mouse on Mar 25, 2008 9:38 PM CDT   0 recs

no more noah
end of game

by lampnasty on Mar 25, 2008 9:38 PM CDT   0 recs

YES SIR!
ALRIGHT LU AND DREW!!!!!

NICE!!!

But its still only a 5 point game and there is a whole 3 minutes left WITH BOYLAN AT THE HELM.. :(

by Deng is the next Bull superstar on