Stampeding out of the most pathetic playoff race ever
Boylan is still a steamy turd. Here's his pregame explanation on why he moved Gooden to the starting lineup:
What's this talk about presence? tactics? I thought it was "bring your A-Game or sit next to me. I'm Jim Boylan: professional coach"
Tyrus played very well today, and he did get 25 minutes. But only 9 in the second half, and yanked for Gooden (if you have to get your trusted, consistently average players in, could've at least pulled Noah instead) after the Bulls made a run with Tyrus on the court. The Bulls were outscored 16-5 after that to finish the game.
It's better than the 9 minutes received in total on Friday. Well, at least it's comforting to know Tyrus will be playing for somebody (who knows if the Bulls can evaluate and keep talent anymore) while Boylan's getting water for Skiles at his next job.
Unfortunately that was only a minor (just the easiest to bitch about) problem with today's game, which was winnable only because the other team had Ben Wallace. The others:
Ben Gordon: 5-13
Luol Deng: 3-13
Larry Hughes: 8-20
Big 3!
Maybe it's a bit more necessary with Thabo injured, but playing Hughes over 43 minutes isn't going to work. He shoots far too poorly on a team that already shoots poorly. And his talk of how he'll be unleashed as a 'slasher' without LeBron was just that, as he's just as jump-shooty as ever.
Although slightly less so than what is already on the roster, I suppose. Gordon's only FTA was on a technical. Deng missed half a dozen layups. Those two are a huge problem. I can't see any solution but to re-sign both and hope they just play better. They're not this bad, and it's rare to see players dramatically regress at the ages of 22 and 24. It's just a bad year, and unlike Hughes we don't know it will continue. At least maybe it helps the Bulls get a discount for each in the offseason. There's always sign and trades, but I'd only be asking for upgrades, and I can't even see a team that would give up such a thing for either. You can try and package Tyrus/Noah or the upcoming pick, but then you'd have to get something really special in return.
Unfortunately, whether it's a blemish in a good career or an unstoppable trend, Gordon and Deng's poor play is sending the team to the lottery. Boylan's merely pouring gas on the fire in the form of Gooden and Hughes.
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your standards for Tyrus
by JSlakov on Mar 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST 0 recs
fair enough
Maybe I just have low standards based on his teammates.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 2, 2008 5:28 PM CST
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oh, almost forgot my standard response to JSlakov
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST
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Why give in?
"Per 36"
67% FG%
6-8.5 FT
17 PTS
10 REB
3 BLKS
1/2 ASST
1/2 STL
1/2 PF
If he plays more, sounds like he played pretty fucking well to me. If he plays any better, I think that'd be pretty fucking great.
Slakov is a jakov
(Oh, and he wasn't drafted #2 overall. At least the MSM announcers got that right.)
by tyger1147 on
Mar 2, 2008 7:04 PM CST
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wow
semantics aside, when you use the second overall draft pick to acquire someone you'd like 17 and 10 to be their average performance and even though I dislike Boylan's substitutions as much as the next guy, he shouldn't let whether or not he gets crunch time minutes even be something up for debate.
by JSlakov on
Mar 3, 2008 12:13 AM CST
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semantics aside?
(and I have no idea what you're trying to say in that last part. There's no debate that Tyrus should get crunch time minutes? shouldn't?)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 3, 2008 8:59 AM CST
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I think Tyrus should get crunch time minutes, you think Tryus should get crunch time minutes, but Boylan and Hubie Brown, as much as I think they're idiots, disagree and I would love for Thomas to be playing so well that even stupid people like them would have to agree.
by JSlakov on
Mar 3, 2008 1:07 PM CST
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Is Hubie an idiot?
by NBA Observer on
Mar 3, 2008 3:09 PM CST
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How many TO's does that work out to?
by bullshooter on
Mar 3, 2008 8:53 AM CST
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4
by tyger1147 on
Mar 3, 2008 9:06 AM CST
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Why do you
by sue369 on
Mar 3, 2008 9:30 AM CST
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He knew what it was is why.
by tyger1147 on
Mar 3, 2008 9:32 AM CST
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of course I did tygger
by bullshooter on
Mar 3, 2008 9:36 AM CST
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I really didn't even notice it.
by tyger1147 on
Mar 3, 2008 9:40 AM CST
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don't try to bs the bullshooter
by bullshooter on
Mar 3, 2008 11:48 AM CST
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What was disingenuous?
by tyger1147 on
Mar 3, 2008 12:06 PM CST
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my opinion of you hasn't changed at all
by bullshooter on
Mar 3, 2008 12:21 PM CST
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Trying to tell
by sue369 on
Mar 3, 2008 9:39 AM CST
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And your hypocritical woman love of Hinrich
by tyger1147 on
Mar 3, 2008 9:42 AM CST
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HAHAHA!!!!!!
by sue369 on
Mar 3, 2008 9:58 AM CST
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Besides...
by tyger1147 on
Mar 3, 2008 9:44 AM CST
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I vote for
by NBA Observer on
Mar 3, 2008 8:51 AM CST
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Neither
by Cannoli on Mar 2, 2008 5:34 PM CST 0 recs
well if you have LeBron
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 2, 2008 5:50 PM CST
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Precisely Matt!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on
Mar 2, 2008 8:44 PM CST
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Bulls needed a physical presence...
by BenGo07 on Mar 2, 2008 5:59 PM CST 0 recs
ha! great point
by danger mouse on
Mar 2, 2008 8:57 PM CST
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well
It was Gordon/Hughes/Deng/Noc/Gooden. A very quick -4 before putting Noah back in (not like that helped, however)
http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20080302&game=CHICLE
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 3, 2008 9:35 AM CST
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Nope
by BenGo07 on
Mar 3, 2008 10:14 AM CST
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pretty sad
Maybe Boylan only thinks of 'physical presence' on offense.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 3, 2008 10:30 AM CST
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It would be hilarious
And I'm not even saying Tyrus could've actually done anything; James' chin was above the rim on that monster jam. But still...it would've been nice to find out.
by BenGo07 on
Mar 3, 2008 9:19 PM CST
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I defend Noc more than necessary
Deng is completely lost playing the 4. He's just no threat to deny any shots in the paint. Noc, Tyrus, Gooden, Gray, and Noah are the only threats in the paint at denying shots at the rim.
This is another example of Stacey King's "Know Your Personnel" commentary. We're not identifying what opponents are on the court and how the defense should adjust to exploit them or limit them.
by NBA Observer on
Mar 3, 2008 11:41 AM CST
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Probably another reason
by cranscape on
Mar 3, 2008 12:20 PM CST
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Jamal Tinsley killed us
by NBA Observer on
Mar 3, 2008 3:07 PM CST
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Stacey needs to call out Boylan
Would that be "KOP"?
by wjb1492 on
Mar 3, 2008 2:04 PM CST
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I hate all this BS about how you have to coddle
It worked for the Blazers who 'forced' their younger players ( Roy - Aldridge) to play major minutes early in their career and they look fine to me. There's another example of this working for a team. Hint, it was the fucking the Bulls! They forced Hinrich, Deng, and Gordon to play major minutes early in their career and I feel it helped them grow exponentially.
So why change their gameplan now? They aren't going to win shit! And Boylan (the Skile's- protege/fucktard/twin) can't get his head around the fact Gooden is by no means an all star and doesn't deserve this star treatment in terms of minutes. Especially considering TT is the most important player on the team. If the Bulls are even going to improve drastically, this guy has to become an all star. They are 'developing' him at a snails like pace.
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 2, 2008 6:04 PM CST 0 recs
I had accidently
by cranscape on Mar 2, 2008 6:25 PM CST 0 recs
I have the same malady
by chgobr on
Mar 2, 2008 6:38 PM CST
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How hilariously sad is it . .
by Big D on Mar 2, 2008 6:53 PM CST 0 recs
Maybe a lottery pick is the benefit
by marionette on
Mar 2, 2008 7:11 PM CST
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Nail, meet head
by Freethefro on
Mar 2, 2008 7:15 PM CST
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I hate Boylan.
by tyger1147 on Mar 2, 2008 6:58 PM CST 0 recs
This was Hughes best game to me,
And I think that speaks to the point that you don't want he and Gooden as starters on a contender (sans LeBron, anyway!). These guys just aren't going to get appreciably better. I don't believe Gooden has a big-time post game that will suddenly emerge (sorry Hubie). And reliance on it has the bad side effect of limiting other guys from developing one. It's not the end of the world, but it's a shame there doesn't currently seem to be a vision of the future, when now is the perfect time. The only move for the future that I see is trying more of BG bringing the ball up, originating the set. In fact, didn't there seem to be much more of the old motion/weave out at the perimeter this game?
by marionette on Mar 2, 2008 7:02 PM CST 0 recs
You should always take away minutes...
by tyger1147 on
Mar 2, 2008 7:05 PM CST
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Right at his career avg!!!!! Woooo!!!!
by marionette on
Mar 2, 2008 7:15 PM CST
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its safe to assume
by bullsfaninla on Mar 2, 2008 7:48 PM CST 0 recs
Agree - the whole staf fshould be gone.
by chgobr on
Mar 2, 2008 8:14 PM CST
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The thing with Pete Myers
I need to correct my judgment though. Myers just may look a lot better next to Boylan.
by NBA Observer on
Mar 3, 2008 8:55 AM CST
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Tyrus is a good help defender
Why couldn't the Bulls numbnuts coaching staff switched our most athletic player to offset LBJ's dominance over Deng and Nocioni? How could he have done any worse? He already demonstrated his quickness and leaping ability did upset LBJ's rythem when he went to help our otherwise helpless defenders.
by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 2, 2008 8:06 PM CST 0 recs
We need Tyrus more than any other player right now
Without Tyrus, the lane is wiiiide open.
by YaoPau on
Mar 2, 2008 9:25 PM CST
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Exactly re TT!
To nobodies surprise except for the coaching stiffs, Cleveland went off on a 16-5 run to doom the Bulls and once again put a dagger in the hearts of players and fans.
Plus/minus for today. TT+5 Kirk -12 Hughes -8
Gooden -10 Noc -8 Deng -5 BG +3 Boylan -69
by Tyrusmancrush on
Mar 2, 2008 10:18 PM CST
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Larry Hughes
As for Gooden, he is a fine player. Not an all-star, but certainly not trash. He is either a mediocre starter or a great second string 4.
This team is garbage, so you can trade everyone as far as I'm concerned, but I'd get rid of Hinrich, Gordon and Noce (and their absurd salaries and demands), get a real point guard and maybe someone else to play the 3.
by Stay Chisel on Mar 2, 2008 8:20 PM CST 0 recs
Why hate Hughes?
Hughes and Gooden aren't going to get any worse if they play less and neither is going to get any better by playing 30-35 minutes per night. So Hughes scored the most points? Big whoop. He also played the most minutes and took the most shots. Half a dozen guys on this team could score 23 points if they played 43 minutes.
Hughes and Gooden bring things to this team that they need: a slasher and "refined" post guy. But neither are good enough at that or at other things to demand more minutes than the other guys. They are flawed players like the rest of the team. And since they're the longest-tenured in the NBA, they're the least likely to all of a sudden overcome those flaws. The other players at least have a chance.
by tyger1147 on
Mar 2, 2008 9:14 PM CST
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The shine will
by sue369 on
Mar 3, 2008 8:06 AM CST
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The whole Hughes will be better
by bullshooter on Mar 2, 2008 9:13 PM CST 0 recs
hughes...
by bullzfan148 on Mar 2, 2008 9:46 PM CST 0 recs
Let me add to the Majority
No identity
No ball movement
No wins
and in the losses, no Kirk
Gah what do i fall back on to watch the bulls
its horrible basketball, no passion, nothing worth watching.
Lets jump on the bandwagon, i like what the lakers are doing.
by piccolomair on Mar 2, 2008 9:56 PM CST 0 recs
Bull Timeline for this season
The bulls started off slow, alot of the new guys on blogabull threw out negetive energy, while some of us (me included) said "ho hum, its only the first few games"
Yet the first few games turned into a dozen, more negetive energy, yet a few people still said "ho hum, just a slow start"
The Slow start lasted too long, and we noticed that skiles was benching people left in right, and players just werent listening to the coach.
Skiles was fired
"Indeed!" we exclaimed, "Look at the bulls now!!! FREEDOM RINGS!!! Did you see that? Wallace just Dunked."
Yet it was short lived, as Wallace would never dunk again, more so, he would suck and suck and suck more calling team meetings at random moments.
"Wallace Must Go!!!" we shouted in unison.
Throughout the League our stars that we wanted so bad were being thrown around for dirt cheap (gasol) and we questioned where is Paxson?
The Deadline passed, and so did wallace, to another team.
"Hurrah!!" we exclaimed, "Now we can play some 5 on 5 basketball"
Indeed we played 5 on 5, and we gathered to witness a horrid loss against a depleted wizards team.
Here we stand...weeping. What the hell happened
to the bulls, and why like this...Why!
by piccolomair on Mar 2, 2008 10:11 PM CST 0 recs
i will respond
remember 2007-2008 as the year that DA BULLS were destroyed by management, just as is happening with DA BEARS this offseason.
Ben Wallace sucks-->Fire Skiles-->trade DA CORPSE--->Boylan screw job-->we still suck and players are not developed
but still better than being a Soops fan
by Orlando Woolridge on
Mar 3, 2008 12:59 AM CST
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Evil Genius!
by A Train Afro 53 on Mar 2, 2008 11:13 PM CST 0 recs
Reinsdork may be evil but he's no genius
If the Bulls flop than the value of Gordon and Deng shrink faster than the stock market, the Bulls wind up with a lottery pick to replace one or both next year and Reinsjerk doesn't have to ante up for a new coach until then.
If money is your God with winning an afterthought (think White Sox), your prayers have been answered. Next year instead of abandoning this shipwreck, the fans once again flock to the ticket counters...being offered Change and Hope with a new young lottery stud and a new coach with something between his ears that Booblyn doesn't have...a brain.
by Tyrusmancrush on
Mar 3, 2008 12:08 AM CST
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Yeah
by jpchi on
Mar 3, 2008 12:51 AM CST
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Costly Players
by piccolomair on
Mar 3, 2008 1:05 AM CST
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Surely
Hot damn, baby! Dat's muh foist lank!
by marionette on
Mar 3, 2008 1:30 AM CST
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Great Link
by jpchi on
Mar 3, 2008 12:50 PM CST
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