Open Game Thread #65: Bulls vs Philadelphia 76ers
SHOWDOWN.
I heard radio reports that Thabo is active for tonight. There's also word that Andre Miller may be out, however he has a 431 games played streak, so I doubt he sits.
If you get bored here, Kelly Dwyer is liveblogging the game over at Yahoo!.
This is a must-win for the pseudo-important 7th seed. And the Bulls are coming off a long-layoff and are at home. Judging by this season, those are all factors pointing towards demoralizing turd sandwich of an outing. But I'll hope otherwise.
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Intresting
Long Break?
Thabo is Playing?
Hell I bet the orginization feels alot for duhon and will let him get some minutes.
What does that mean?
Were Doomed!!
Oh sure, the bulls Need this win, and the 76ers can definetly take the loss and still come out chipper, but that doesnt change anything.
Whats that? Boylan has some extra cool plays to run tonight? The boylan factor isnt neglectable. A must win game, usually turns into a loss for this bulls team. Its the games that you expect them to lose when they show up. Huh, that sort of puts me at an ironic paradox.
by piccolomair on Mar 14, 2008 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm almost rooting for a Bear Sterns
That said, I will waste another night watching this team run by a clown frustrate the hell out of me.
by MarketMaker on Mar 14, 2008 6:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Congrats!
by bullhockey on Mar 15, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have
by sue369 on Mar 14, 2008 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Bulls and Go Jayhawks!
by wjb1492 on Mar 14, 2008 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one
by gobulls1124 on Mar 14, 2008 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
are you guys watching online?
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 14, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually glad not to hear "the crew"
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we gonna see Thabo in the first???
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
your prayers were answered
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's been ok
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand
As punishment for building that lead in the last game, Boylan sat both of them for most of the 2nd half.
by balta1701 on Mar 14, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with TT shooting those jumpers
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 8:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind
by Freethefro on Mar 14, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he can hit that shot
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
get gray the hell out of there!
by Freethefro on Mar 14, 2008 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody see
by piccolomair on Mar 14, 2008 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Huhges and Sefo!!
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 8:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SEfo!!!!!!!!
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 8:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus
by tyrus4prez on Mar 14, 2008 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm so glad Skiles gone
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This broadcast is hilarious
And I'm so incredibly sick of the pancake puff pan commercial!
by wjb1492 on Mar 14, 2008 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you're lucky
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll definitely take this over nothing!
by wjb1492 on Mar 14, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iggy three fouls.Good.
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why does hughes play more minutes than anyone?
by BoxingHideout on Mar 14, 2008 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
same reason Gray plays
by Freethefro on Mar 14, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good half
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bulls WILL win it all this year
by gobulls1124 on Mar 14, 2008 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ha
by AGBallinisaHabit on Mar 15, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice half.
If bulls play with the same level of intensity.
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 8:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thabo is
by sue369 on Mar 14, 2008 8:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Ollie has 47 per 48...
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 14, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops.
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 14, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 TOs for the half?
by wjb1492 on Mar 14, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like this team so much better
by Freethefro on Mar 14, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else
by sue369 on Mar 14, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've still got the Bulls
by wjb1492 on Mar 14, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Deng getting back to his normal?
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Iggy number 4.I will count it till
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why does Deng
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that was a great shot of mo cheeks.
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In the last 2 games...
by potato0328 on Mar 14, 2008 9:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes...
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 14, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I know I know
by potato0328 on Mar 14, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 14, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say what you want about Ollie,
by NittanyBull on Mar 14, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 14, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus is playing center!
by YaoPau on Mar 14, 2008 9:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is a terrirble lineup
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And to top it off, he's making free throws
by wjb1492 on Mar 14, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo with the bucket
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Thabo will shoot 3's on regular basis
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just as I'm thinking how much better they're doing
by wjb1492 on Mar 14, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kirk Fans,
by bullhockey on Mar 15, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Smith, Colorado State
by alec on Mar 14, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sefo is having fun!
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 9:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thabo's line drives
by California Al on Mar 14, 2008 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of crazy that Thabo seems so unbothered
by wjb1492 on Mar 14, 2008 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why can't we get boring win by 20 points?
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by Freethefro on Mar 14, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Give Philly credit for hitting those free throws
by wjb1492 on Mar 14, 2008 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is shades of the Washington game...
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 9:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And this is mental
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame the coach
by Freethefro on Mar 14, 2008 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
all that movement and passing
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, hot damn
by NittanyBull on Mar 14, 2008 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice time out, Boylan!
by Freethefro on Mar 14, 2008 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So frickin' frustrating!
by wjb1492 on Mar 14, 2008 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That charge
by potato0328 on Mar 14, 2008 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and it's small ball again
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and no shot blocking at all
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was a crap call on thabo
by California Al on Mar 14, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Play some F;;;;;G D!!!!!
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to ever hear any crap
by Freethefro on Mar 14, 2008 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see that??!!!
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean last 76 atack.
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
philly has 37 in the 4th
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is something wrong with Gordon?
by BoxingHideout on Mar 14, 2008 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Make some defensive stops,please!!!!
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 10:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There!
by Freethefro on Mar 14, 2008 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
by potato0328 on Mar 14, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, I haven't watched the game at all today
Then I remembered that I get Philly Comcast.
by NittanyBull on Mar 14, 2008 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
really, that's the play
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well that's it
by bullshooter on Mar 14, 2008 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Team with a go to guy
I'm so frustrated.
Pax make some moves now!!!
Fire this joke named Jim Boylan!!!
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Boylan's coaching
Also, couldn't Boylan draw up a play to get Gordon a 3-point pump fake and draw a foul? Every other good team in the league seems to have this kind of play in their arsenal. Boylan's just not going to ever try this with one of the best free throw shooters in the league?
by bullhockey on Mar 15, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That just took every ounce of hope
by gobulls1124 on Mar 14, 2008 10:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow wow wow
Goodnight all.
by Freethefro on Mar 14, 2008 10:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kirk did have a horrible 4th quarter
by wjb1492 on Mar 14, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and his best shot
by California Al on Mar 14, 2008 10:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
arggghhh
by potato0328 on Mar 14, 2008 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow..
by bullsfaninbigapple on Mar 14, 2008 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe this
by bull83 on Mar 14, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shit hits the fan again while Noah on bench
by BiNgO on Mar 14, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't this season
by cranscape on Mar 14, 2008 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Luol "David Copperfield" Deng
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 14, 2008 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Luol Deng (rant number 2)
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 14, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've been waiting years for that
by cubbybear on Mar 14, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense sucks....
by Chitown23 on Mar 14, 2008 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mental Midgets
by armstrong2389 on Mar 14, 2008 10:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
....which is why Boylan chooses to keep Noah
by bullsfaninbigapple on Mar 14, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep Noah and Thabo
This team is mentally WEAK.No leadership,no killer
instict.Normal team would let Shanon Brown,Duhon,Gray etc. finish this game with 15 points up.
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
who was the horribull tonight
by armstrong2389 on Mar 14, 2008 10:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would say Kirk.
by Azabullsfan on Mar 14, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I repeat - F#$% the playoffs!!
Boylan is an idiot who doesn't deserve to coach another game.
Deng can't take over the game. It's obvious that Iggy is a better player.
Miss playoffs & earn Lottery pick.
FIRE BOYLAN.
Sign and trade Gordon and Deng if possible; if not, I'd consider letting them both walk unless they'll accept about half of what they were (reportedly) offered.
If Paxson can package the Lottery pick with Gordon or Deng (sign & trade) or Kirk or Gooden or Hughes or all of them - to move up and draft a REAL NBA point guard, or to acquire a stud veteran - DO IT!
Go into next season with a real NBA Head Coach, a legitimate 8- or 9-player rotation, and a clean slate.
Playoffs??????? (said in my best Jim Mora voice) PLAYOFFS????
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 14, 2008 10:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a plan.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 14, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's awful
Awful.
(End rant)
by Freethefro on Mar 14, 2008 10:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired of this...
I'm losing my faith
by bull83 on Mar 14, 2008 10:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my one defense of deng
other than that.. noah should have been in at the end... and those charge calls were bogus. after watching the bulls this season i am pretty sure the refs do not want them to win. like ever. the sixers made TWICE the amount of free throws we even attempted. oh wait... that happened the last time we lost to them, too. :P
by Jaina on Mar 14, 2008 10:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right, but
Also, there are plenty of guys in the NBA who play more minutes than Deng, and they're expected to take over the game in the 4th.
There's no excuses for Deng anymore. You need a certain mental toughness to rise from average to all-star, and he doesn't have it.
by YaoPau on Mar 14, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calling Kalid--it's the 4th quarter.
by alec on Mar 14, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already told you...
It makes so much sense to just cut Deng.
Any other gems you'd like to pass on to me?
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 14, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? You're in a listening mood?
by alec on Mar 14, 2008 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My apologies...
When you were telling me all about your friend who coaches high school basketball and how he schooled you on the finer points of spacing (and then you in turn schooled me) I was obviously a fool for not listening closely enough.
When you were telling me about how Tyrus Thomas and Deng can't play on the same team because the plan is to have Tyrus play a similar position which will make Deng as useless as stale chewing gum, I should have taken notes.
Please excuse my hubris, I promise I'll try to listen better from now on.
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 14, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see.
by alec on Mar 14, 2008 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listen...
All things being equal, I can still say with confidence, even after a game where Deng "disappears" in the 4th quarter (but went 10-21 before that) that we probably shouldn't cut him. Maybe put some better players/coaching around him in tight situations, but not cut him.
If you can't see that, then I just don't know what to tell you... Except maybe you need to watch more NBA games.
Hugs?
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 14, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're going to have to show me where
And if you want to knock my sources, feel free. Sometimes the people here are my sources. The coach/friend you belittle was a national merit finalist, walked-on at an Ivy League school, and now coaches one of the top prep programs in the country--I consider him a good source.
I come here and ask questions, or make statements in an attempt to get dialogue going. I know I'm no expert, and have never once pretended to be one. Nor have I ever had a problem being shown where I'm wrong. A lot of good basketball arguments are made in these pages. I listen and consider every argument that's made against me. But attacking the person is the weakest form of argument--in fact, it's not a form at all. It generally occurs as a last resort when the person can't make the counter case.
So you like Deng. I get it. I think he's a weakish player at a critical position that particularly demands a strong player.
by alec on Mar 15, 2008 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake...
I asked you several times (at least 5 by my count) who you wanted to replace him with, but everytime you declined to answer. I guess I just assumed this meant we should cut him altogether.
Now you'll have to show me where I "attacked" you or your honorable friend. If it's the sarcasm you detected then fair enough, but to say I attacked him or you is just plain false.
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 15, 2008 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I for one believe that you can plug.....
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 15, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alec........
You know what Alec,
Upon further review, I agree whole heartedly with your assessment. Deng is a weakish player at his postion.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 15, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's cause
no need for him to be out there for 38 minutes in a game we mostly dominated. should have left him fresher for the 4th.
also, i'm in no way trying to argue that deng is better than most of the guys who play more minutes. included are ai, kobe, lebron, wade, mcgrady... deng isn't there. maybe he could take more shots.. if gordon would quit tripping over his own feet.
i don't know.. but i truly believe that's the reason. he probably is tired. the guy is only 21 or 22.
by Jaina on Mar 14, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand...
I think Deng has been overused, both in minutes per game and in coming back from injuries to early. But we can't allow that to obfuscate the fact that Deng doesn't rise to the occasion...well...ever.
There's a certain mental toughness - as has been mentioned above - that the best players display in allowing them to overcome injuries, fatigue, and most importantly - their opponents.
Deng is a great complimentary player. He's a Ron Harper, but he's no Scottie Pippen. I view Deng in the same light as Bernard Berrian. On paper they have a chance at greatness, but they've never been able to put it all together and dominate.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 14, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
simply put, i think he's been overused and gets tired, and then takes the heat for disappearing when he's played for like 24 straight minutes. but i never claimed to think he was the bulls' version of the messiah. i really like deng and i'd like to keep him on the team. but at the same time, i agree he hasn't shown himself to be the #1 option on the team.
by Jaina on Mar 14, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaina, I respect your opinion but.......
Stop providing this crutch for Deng and demand he step up his game when it counts!!!!!! If he can't then lets get somebody in here who can.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 15, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just want to say
anyways, i want deng to be that special player, but i understand and see the points being made. i never said deng shouldn't be stepping up, i think he should be. however, he's often the least rested on the court in late game situations because he hasn't had a break. he's not kobe or lebron or many of the real high minute guys, and isn't going to be, either.
i'd love to see the bulls get someone deng could be a compliment to. i don't know exactly what the fix is. we should get a real coach, first of all. i think we need someone with a better court vision than hinrich. i like hinrich, but sometimes.. i don't know.
anyhow i really was just giving my 2 cents as to why i think deng disappears sometimes. it's not a great excuse, really, but it's what i see. i've seen boylan leave guys out there way too long, not just deng. gooden got tired at the end of the utah game, and you could tell by that foul toward the end of the game that he just was too gassed to play real defense. in the portland game (i was in attendance), the guys had been out for like the whole 4th quarter and OTs... one foul i saw kirk commit was clearly out of exhaustion.
by Jaina on Mar 15, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is tired he should just.......
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 15, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's where you're wrong
there was a sub in the utah game that gooden assumed was for him cause he had been in so long. waved off. boylan made him stay in.
those decisions are up to the coach and he clearly can't see where his players are getting tired, or not listening to them.
by Jaina on Mar 15, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and
by Jaina on Mar 15, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No excuses for Deng.
People wonder why Gordon always shoots the last shot.....it's because Deng is nowhere to be found at that time of the game!!! If Deng puts us on his shoulders and matches what Philly does down the stretch to preserve this Bulls win then none of this is an issue. We beat Philly and move within a half game of the last playoff spot....again.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 15, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you aren't even listening to the points
by danger mouse on Mar 15, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of a winning team?
When I pointed it out, people were all "so what, he's the least of our problems and our best player". I'll concede that, but there's a flip side to it.
Winning basketball, especially in the playoffs, is about having the best guys and the best match ups. If he's really as slow and soft as he's looked this year, and as unsteady with his shot beyond 18 feet, he's always going to be sitting there for good teams to take advantage of.
He's been far and away my favorite Bull (and the only guy the Bulls have picked that I really wanted them to pick since Pax came on board until Noah this year). But what top notch team do we play and think we've got the advantage with him vs. their guy?
by Sports2 on Mar 15, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
i think deng gets tired due to substitution patterns and being overused in situations he shouldn't be, and that's why he disappears a lot late. however, do i wish he would step up? YES! i'm not saying it's the best excuse, but it is my theory as to why he is accused of being the invisible man.
again, it's not that i don't want him to step up!! believe me i do!
by Jaina on Mar 15, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw this one coming early in the 4th
He has a special knack for creating the spark necessary to get whoever we are playing on a serious run.
I've never seen a coach so inept at stopping the bleeding when things begin to go bad for his team.
I can't wait to hear his postgame comments. Something tells me that as usual he will take no blame for being outcoached.
What a joke!!
by MarketMaker on Mar 14, 2008 10:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That last Ben Gordon play was inexcusable
But I think there were five Bulls on the court for that last play. And while Gordon was dribbling in circles like a headless chicken, nobody came over to set a pick. Then, Gordon launches the three, and nobody was under the hoop to rebound. What the fuck?
Note to Boylan: if you have five players on the court, use them.
by YaoPau on Mar 14, 2008 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
seriously, what was Boylan thinking???
But when you play the guy 13 minutes and he's coming in cold in the 4th quarter, why the hell would you draw up an iso for him, in the corner no less (and not at the top of key)???
A YMCA coach of an 8 and under traveling team could manage the game better down the stretch. Unfuckingbelievable.
by Orange Juice on Mar 14, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he just needs to play Noah at the end..
by bullsfaninbigapple on Mar 14, 2008 10:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not just the last five minutes
by Freethefro on Mar 14, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
by California Al on Mar 14, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chokes?
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 14, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To repeat my rant
by California Al on Mar 14, 2008 10:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder...
Then pick 5 players at random (dice or another similar device). Have them start.
Then make substitutions at random times with random players throughout the game.
End result? I concur. I'm not certain that their record would be any worse than it is with Boylan as head coach.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 14, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hear the chimes?
What kills me is that he thought he was worth more than $10 million a year. Is Danny Granger worth $10 million a year? Because that's who is in Deng's class. I don't remember the Pacers saying that Granger was "untouchable" in trades.
This whole team is a joke and our players have been exposed as nothing more than complementary players. The experiment is over. TRADE THE F'ING WHOLE TEAM and start over. This is worse than the Floyd Era.
by Stay Chisel on Mar 14, 2008 10:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
uh....what happened?
It's not even fair. We're playing with a handicap. He's such an idiot.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 14, 2008 10:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ever try to drive a car...
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 14, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the rants
They're not only without a coach, they're being sabotaged by their coach! Luol Deng was the power forward!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 14, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno. I'd love to hear someone
It seemed to me that the Bulls thought it was over, and then Philly started getting tough--a guy like Jason Smith got physical inside and the Bulls suddenly looked shocked. Then little Louis Williams started racing past Hinrich like he was standing still.
By the time the Bulls finally woke up to the fact that Philly hadn't thrown in the towel, it was too late. From my vantage point it looked 100% like coaching failure.
by alec on Mar 14, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the fact that Boylan put a
by 1958ChiTown on Mar 14, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Boylan
Never considering that perhaps personnel had something to do with it. And I'm sure nobody will ask, and if they do it'll be "why did you sit Noah, wanted to get a look at the other guys?" where the question's brushed off before it's even finished.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 14, 2008 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
after watching that
no reason to have noah sitting on the bench and deng playing the 4 when we're blowing a lead..
by Jaina on Mar 14, 2008 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if you take into account
by cranscape on Mar 14, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wasted another five hours of my life.
I estimate I have frittered away 125 hours attending Bulls home games this season.
I expend more energy traveling down Madison from the Loop than the entire team expended on defense in the fourth quarter tonight. More planning goes into my route than went into the fourth quarter lineups. My f** cab driver anticipates and adapts to problems much more effectively than Boylan. My bartender at Ketel One was a better motivational leader than this coaching staff.
We have an incomparably crappy team led by an incomparably dunderheaded moron dunce of a douche. Boylan should be hung upside down from the Jordan statue so fans can spit on him and stone him to death.
Up 18 and we lose.
by 1958ChiTown on Mar 14, 2008 11:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The bold text was
by 1958ChiTown on Mar 14, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to the children:
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 14, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha!
by NittanyBull on Mar 14, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Classic
And you don't feel dirty after paying him.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 14, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That goes back to my point...
My opinions about Luol certainly weren't a rant. Mental toughness is qualitative - it can't be measured nor defined. We don't know how Luol will perform in the 7th game of a tight playoff series because the Bulls haven't been able to put themselves in that position.
I like Luol Deng, and I think we should keep him. The Bulls would be CRAZY to let him go for nothing. But I don't think he'll ever be 'dominant'.
As it is, Luol - like every other Bull - is rendered completely impotent by Boylan.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 14, 2008 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Meant to reply...
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 14, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or if Deng played his natural position
Boylan will only clam up more in the playoffs. Worse than Skiles did. You're right.
I don't know that it's so bad that they have to miss the playoffs. It's almost a self-fufilling prophecy: Boylan's so terrible that they won't make it because of him anyway, and it's damned near impossible for him to coach them up to where he keeps his job (conference finals or something...I'd say they'd have to sweep the playoffs and win the title for him to stay).
He's just so bad. At coaching basketball anyway, maybe he has other skills.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 14, 2008 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk Hinrich: 2006-07 All-Defensive Team
I spent the first three quarters wondering how the hell the Sixers have a better record than the Bulls. I found out why in the 4th quarter: because the Sixers have a coach who's not afraid to play his young players big minutes in close games. Maurice Cheeks isn't a genius, but he's been playing his young players in 4th quarters all year long, and as a result they don't wilt under pressure. Louis Williams absolutely abused Hinrich in the 4th quarter. Someone please explain to me why Thabo played only 22 minutes tonight. And don't tell me about the injury - he was healthy enough to play (and play damn well), so he should have played more than Hinrich and Hughes. Oh wait, Hinrich and Hughes both have big contracts. Gimmie a fucking break. No wonder Deng and Gordon have been pissed off this year. The Bulls are going to keep Hughes (who makes $13 million a year), and trade Gordon (who's better than Hughes, younger, and will get less than $13 million a year). Brilliant idea, Pax. And get a fucking coach too, while you're at it.
by Big D on Mar 14, 2008 11:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it actually hasn't been all season long
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 14, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe our GM should do that
by Big D on Mar 14, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no he has a plan
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 14, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harpring and Noce on the same team would be fun
by Big D on Mar 14, 2008 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
by NittanyBull on Mar 14, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
by Big D on Mar 14, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's weird
by NittanyBull on Mar 14, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My God, I used to bellyache about Gordon
Hughes basically just shoots every time he gets the ball on he elbow. Every time.
by 1958ChiTown on Mar 14, 2008 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had a classic from that spot
Thabo's obviously back, Hughes can sit next to Duhon now.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 14, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by Big D on Mar 14, 2008 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for some reason that's the sentiment here
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 14, 2008 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Maybe he's better off defending bigger guys than he is defending little guys.
And Gordon, by no means a great defender, can at least match scores and reasonably expect to come out ahead.
Hughes... I'm not finding much good to say about him.
by Sports2 on Mar 15, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just glad
I'd take Stacey King at this point. At least he knows his personal(KYP Boylan!).
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 14, 2008 11:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe how demoralizing this loss was
Usually I can come up with some reason to trick myself into caring. Even Thomas looked completely terrible today (well, completely on offense).
Noah played 21 minutes. We have 3 actual frontcourt players and he still plays 21 minutes. Ben Gordon played 13.
I mean...we're tanking? right?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 14, 2008 11:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That post perfectly sums up
I am done for the night. I am going to forget this team exists for a while.
by 1958ChiTown on Mar 14, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they were tanking...
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 14, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And let me say this, because I need to get it off
In any case, it's sad.
by 1958ChiTown on Mar 14, 2008 11:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was a fool
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 14, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again....
We shouldn't attribute to Nocioni's ability what can be explained by Boylan's incompetence.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 14, 2008 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quite Simply
by Cannoli on Mar 14, 2008 11:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side, Drew Gooden played well
by Big D on Mar 15, 2008 12:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gooden at the 5 isn't the problem
DENG WAS THE POWER FORWARD DOWN THE STRETCH, WITH DREW GOODEN AS THE CENTER.
(maybe if I type it bigger it becomes even more ridiculous to read :) )
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 15, 2008 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes
by Big D on Mar 15, 2008 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
poor KC
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 15, 2008 12:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nevermind, screw KC
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 15, 2008 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was probably too busy
by KT on Mar 15, 2008 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I think I've figured it out
The whole point of going small is not to be smaller, but quicker. The problem for the bulls now is that none of their smaller guys are quick. BG, Kirk, Thabo, and especially Deng and Noc are not quicker than guys even at the next position up. The only quickness advantage the bulls have is if they bring in Noah and TT, but that could be a rebounding disadvantage. No, what the bulls need to do is go long. Kirk (although he had some egregious TO's tonight), Thabo, Deng, TT, and Noah is the lineup the bulls need to play to pressure the ball and force TO's, even playing a full court press. This "small ball" stuff has got to end because it does not provide the bulls any advantage. Hell, if Hughes feels like working on defense and only attacking the rim on offense, put him at 2 and move Thabo to the three and put Deng on the bench to do some PT for his obviously-still -bothering-him Achilles.
By the way, the game changed tonight not on Kirk's TO's (which we're dumb) but when Mo cheeks basically gave up and put in Williams. Cheeks went "quick" and it killed the bulls when Boylan foolishly tried to match and didn't bring back any shotblocking, which would have been the only way to counter the 76ers ability to breakdown the bulls off of the dribble. It's ironic because Miller usually plays well against the bulls, but his back was obviously holding him back tonight and the bulls exploited him.
by bullshooter on Mar 15, 2008 1:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they were up double-digits
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 15, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am only talking about the knee jerk
by bullshooter on Mar 15, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rooting for this team - pain pain pain
Noah and Thabo are clearly bright spots. I'm glad we got rid of the Corpse. But there something this team lacks. I'm hoping the right coach can ignite chemistry that takes us over the hump. Mo Cheeks has done a phenomenal job with a team you could argue doesn't have as much talent as the Bulls. Down 18 on the road they found a way to win with the youngsters. A clone of Cheeks works for me as Bulls coach.
I know this helps our draft position and losing may be the best thing in the long run - but until the draft no words just - pain pain pain.
by chgobr on Mar 15, 2008 8:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Reggie Evans
by mruntouchable on Mar 15, 2008 8:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"To give up 40 points....
by runio on Mar 15, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How many times
by Freethefro on Mar 15, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would fire Boylan from coaching my YMCA team
I hope Pax was at this game. He just can't accept a trade that is designed to play the kids and then watch Boylan blow an 18 point lead with those very same kids watching from the bench.
by NBA Observer on Mar 15, 2008 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I really don't think I can even find words to say that haven't already been said in this thread.
All I can say is that this was clearly the worst loss of the season. Even worse than the Wizards loss.
by Option27 on Mar 15, 2008 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what's worse
by NBA Observer on Mar 15, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This loss really depressed me
My suggestion is to get the team prepared to have a shut-down defense. The new coach needs to have a track record to be able to implement this. The silver lining is the lottery pick but this doesn't help me with the pain of this loss.
by chgobr on Mar 15, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will Boylan be back next year?
by armstrong2389 on Mar 15, 2008 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's not impossible
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 15, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My fears, as well.
by mruntouchable on Mar 16, 2008 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perfect Timing
by Jobu on Mar 15, 2008 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 15, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine too.
by 1958ChiTown on Mar 15, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
18 of 22?!
by hughes sucks on Mar 15, 2008 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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