What about Doug Collins?
Just wanted to throw this out there, but what about Doug Collins? He took over this team when it was young in the 80's, he helped in developing Pippen and Grant. Was able to get the team to the 2nd round in '88 and to the Conf. Finals in '89.
He last coached in Washington, during Michael's 3rd return to the league. He was not able to coach completely cause you knew Michael had more say than Collins when it came to playing time.
I don't know, but since we have became the youngest team in the league again, maybe he would be good in helping our youngsters improve. Pax could maybe bring him in with a goal in mind of him being that coach that takes the Bulls from Point A to Point B again.
Also, maybe Pax could hire Stacey King and Pippen on as assistants. Let them learn while Doug is head coach, then when it's time maybe one of them could take over or if there is another Championship level coach available, we get him to take the Bulls from Point B to Point C as Phil Jackson did.
A lot of this also hinges on what the Bulls do this summer with their pick, whether it be early 1st round or lottery.
Is this too crazy of an idea?
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First - What kind of basketball team do we
It seems to succeed in the NBA your team must excel at defense. A great deal of our success the past few years came from playing excellent defense. Last night our defense was a joke. Washington has improved their defense and are over-achieving. The same could be said for New Orleans. Our players are athletic, block shots and should have the capacity to learn to play great defense. We also are a good running team that would fit with getting points from TOs.
I do not know if Doug Collins can make this work. First decide on a playing philosophy then pick a coach that fits that type of team.
I agree....
That to be successful, you have to be good on the defensive end of the floor. Good examples is our past 3 years, we overachieved a lot with playing good defense.
I'm just trying to think of a coach that can come in and coach efficiently, help develop the young talent and be somewhat successful while they are here. Collins has done a decent job in the past with younger teams such as the Bulls in the mid to late 80's, the Pistons in the mid to late 90's and then somewhat successful with the Wizards while he was there(as I stated, Michael had more control over things then).
I'm just trying to think of some possible candidates since we all pretty much know that Jerry doesn't want to break the bank for coaches like Carlise, Larry Brown or a Van Gundy.
I know Collins dowfall was his overreacting and the way losses brought him down so much. But maybe he has matured since then.
I think for the team to be successful defensive wise, you need a head coach who does believe in that but you need a good assistant that can teach it, like Johnny Bach did for the Bulls.
Just like Boston did this season by bringing in their new assistant coach, that has helped them become better defensively.
Also, after last night's loss, I'm hoping Paxson realizes that Boylan is not the man for the job.
by BullsAttitude on Mar 1, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
I keep repeating this but I truly believe Boylan
How about Spurs meet Suns (of old) Style?
This will work considering;
-Hinrich is far more comfortable on the open court rather then running plays in the half court.
-Ben Gordon (in top form) can score many buckets off transition since there wont be enough time for someone to accurately guard him.
-Deng and Hughes are pretty decent slashers who can finish at the rim on a fast break
-All of our players are fairly well defenders and passers if nothing else.
-With our age, we have the young legs that can run with the best of them, Noah and thomas can use thier energy and intensity and create unstoppable dunks, while the only flaw would be aaron gray. This sort of style would also belittle the need for a traditonal post player.
-The older teams like Detroit and the Celtics probably wont be able to last long with our fast pace.
The biggest problem is finding some coach to make this work. The suns coach tried to establish this, this season, but the only one who was suited for this kind of play might have been marion, and things werent working out.
It's all on Paxson.
As Matt said: teams with great players can get by with a good coach. This Bulls team needs a great coach (and a great philosophy) to make it.
God no
Actually.......
Jordan had total control over his playing time, other players playing time, etc. So, that situation was the wrong situation for himself to be a part of during Jordan's return.
I'm not saying we should get Doug Collins, I'm just trying to think of coaches that have been somewhat successful at developing young teams. He would definetly have to be replaced once the team has got to point B.
See, Skiles was originally that guy to get us to point B, we got to point A1 last season, but have taken the wrong turn back to point A this season.
The book is a good read and while we are at it, please read "Playing for Keeps: Michael Jordan and the World he Created." by Dave Halberstein, by far the best book on Jordan (and the Bulls) that I have ever read.
by BullsAttitude on Mar 1, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
We need a "next coach" permanent diary
Anyway, personally I'd like to see the Bulls get someone like Terry Porter rather than an older retread guy. Someone who has had some head coaching experience to judge from, but is still young. And I've always kind of thought he got screwed over by the Bucks. (But I shuold also acknowledge that I'm a huge fan from his playing days, so I'm far from impartial!)
Actually........
We need somebody besides Boylan.
by BullsAttitude on Mar 2, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Terry Porter ain't bad either
Porter's got decent assistant coaching experience, he'd be on my list.
Pipp's my favorite player all time though, so while it makes sense maybe to give the job to someone who was a solid player with asst coaching experience, I'd like to see the Pippen experience over Porter....I just would.
In terms of coaching
Paul Weber and David Thorpe
I'm sure Jordan wouldn't coach the bulls...
by AGBallinisaHabit on Mar 2, 2008 11:24 AM CST reply actions
He'd be a terrible coach
My top Bulls head coaching choices.....
- Phil Johnson - asst, Utah
- Bill Laimbeer - Head Coach, WNBA
- Alvin Gentry - asst, Phoenix
- Elston Turner - asst, Houston
- Alex English - asst, Toronto
Johnson has been an assistant to Jerry Sloan for 18 years at Utah, and he once coached Sloan as an assistant for Dick Motta on the Bulls in the early 70s. He's widely recognized as one of the best teachers and best assistants in the game. He'd come to the Bulls.
Laimbeer is 2-1 in the WNBA Finals in five years of coaching. He'd immediately command respect in the locker room and huddle and he could teach our bigs a thing or two. I can only assume his greatest influence is Chuck Daly.
The other guys are former players who have been working upward as successful assistants in solid organizations.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 2, 2008 5:31 PM CST reply actions
it's about as relevant
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 3, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
But did he come from a winning program?
he's a notre dame alum
by KT on Mar 3, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Forgive me for presenting....
Doug Collins?? Bobby Knight??
Heck, my two top choices are Jerry Sloan and Coach K. However, one of my major requirements for the next Bulls Head Coach is that he actually accepts the offer.
I don't want a college coach. Coach K won't take the job, and Billy Donovan is legally unavailable.
I don't want a re-tread, either, unless it was for a short time in a place where the head coach wasn't enabled to win (like Terry Porter in Milwaukee or Alvin Gentry with the Clippers).
I'd consider a winning record as a coach in the WNBA Finals to be equally as impressive as winning a major NCAA Conference as head coach, as far as my wishes for the next Bulls leader - as long as it came along with playing in and winning NBA Finals.
Bill Laimbeer would command more respect when he stepped into the huddle than Jim Boyman ever HAD.
And had you ever even HEARD of Phil Johnson? He's a great teacher, he comes from a great organization, and he used to coach for the Bulls. I haven't seen any BETTER ideas thrown around this place yet.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 3, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
If not Hubie
He's done a great job with mediocre Washington Bullets talent.
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 3, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Never heard of Johnson before today
That'd be my only reservation....
But who can tell which assistant is the next Hall of Fame Head Coach (Phil Jackson) or a career assistant and mediocre Head Coach (Frank Hamblen)?
I hope Pax can tell, because I sure can't.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 3, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
My greater concern is his age
Laimbeer's done
Plus the WNBA at best is like the 64th best team in college bball to me, so I wouldn't want to overstate his success....
Of course this coming from a guy who a) never watches the WNBA, and b) hates Bill Laimbeer--even if Laimbeer was coaching like Popovich, I'd still hate him....
so you can take that with a grain of salt
Bobby Knight?
Cons: Bobby Knight
No to Bobby Knight for me
He's way too iritable, doesn't have any pro experience, and if we thought Skiles was tough on our guys, just imagine Bobby Knight.
Persoanlly, I'd love in this order my top 5:
- Hubie Brown--the guys points are spot on and he was awesome with Memphis.
- Jeff Van Gundy--he might be the best defensive coach in recent memory (yup even more so than Riley). I know his offense can be limited, but I think a lot of that with the Rockets was due to JVG overcompensting for the slowness that is Yao while not allowing TMAC to be TMAC as much. Plus the guy's got a solid NBA pedigree.
- Scottie Pippen. I don't care that he has no head coaching experience, the guy was a "player coach" for a few years in Portland anyway. His points/analysis also is spot on, and he's a Chicago Legend, what more could you ask for. I'd rather see Scottie given a chance than Boylan again. Hire Scottie as a Head coach, have Mark Jackson (smart player-judging that he was a lesser talent but awesome assist guy--PG) as a lead assistant, with maybe an Alonzo Mourning as lead big man coach. These 3 major talents should help us out....I like having points as coaches too, and with Jackson we get an underrated (maybe slightly cheaper) one.
- Larry Brown. I worry a bit with him, but I know he wants to succeed, and when he is actually coaching, there are few better.....Plus he's old, but so is Hubie and yet I have Hubie #1, go figure.
- John Paxson. The guy also is a Chicago Bulls legend, he drafted these guys, he's been until this year a solid GM, and he knows what he saw in these guys in the first place. So let's give him the duty to crack the code and fix the mess that is the Bulls.
you quote Knight's age
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 3, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
I made reference to that
Hubie has that experience and is less volatile, but yeah he's ancient....oh well. I like him, what can I say.
i have a hard time
i like jvg but i don't think he'd be right for our team.
i wouldn't mind giving scottie a try, though i prefer to get him on board as an assistant first.
larry brown - no thanks. and not gonna happen.
and as for pax, i wouldn't mind seeing him take the reigns for the rest of the season, but i don't know if i'd like him doing both jobs.
Good points
Perhaps Hubie would think differently if he saw the day ins and day outs of this team more (and practices)....
But he's a proven coach, and a guy who's opinion I respect.
Facts are facts, Ben Wallace was a hard working blue collar type for 10+ years and so regardless of his lack of performance this year, he's had 10+ years of gaining respect to the guys who like folks who "play the game the way it's supposed to be played" to use that old cliche.
I don't take too much stake in Hubie's words as far as dropping him off the coaching list. He's a fabulous analyst.
JVG, you might be right on since he's always had solid big men to coach and that's what we lack, but why not give him a try, the VGundy's all have proven solid coaches and Jeff's had decent success in the past, plus he emphasizes Defense which is something our guys have the most natural talent for anyway, that's the reason I like him.
Paxson would be very interesting, and I might move him higher if I thought there was a chance he'd coach (i don't so he's 5th). If he was going to give it a try, this season would have been his chance and he could say he'd coach while "auditioning" guys for the head spot later--to see if he like it.
Larry Brown, yeah I don't know about him. He was fabulous in the Finals for Detroit though, so who knows.....I'm not the biggest fan, but I think he has enough experience to crack the code that is the Bulls.....and he seems more than interested.....he's as skilled a coach as anyone on this list, but has sooo much baggage.
i dunno
as for jvg, i just think this team needs to run and he hasn't proven to be that sort of coach.
and brown... well just way too much baggage. also prone to leaving positions when he gets bored. no thanks. excellent coach, but i have no desire to see him on the bulls bench.
This is what I wanted.......
I threw out Doug Collins name cause he has done decent jobs in the past with younger teams. He isn't too old ala Hubie Brown (who I wouldn't mind to see) or a Larry Brown (which I don't think Jerry is going to pay for), he is older but still able to coach. I could really care less if he gets it or not though.
I agree with most that if Pippen wants to coach, we should bring him in as an assistant with him maybe taking over in a few years like Avery did in Dallas. I believe he would make a good coach but he does need to get some experience first.
Also, what better person to work with Tyrus, our long, freakishly athletic forward than a former long, freakishly athletic forward in Pippen.
We just need a big chance from Mr. "Skiles-lite" Jim Boylan.
Hey
I imagine you meant change instead of chance.
I believe..
And yes I meant change, sometimes you get to typing and don't pay attention to your mistakes.
Hopefully, Paxson is paying attention to his mistake of Boylan as the Coach.
by BullsAttitude on Mar 4, 2008 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
Boylan is probably
They can't
Relatively speaking,
I think Paxson has seen enough
In the past two games the Bulls have proved they have enough talent to compete. They dominated the Whiz for the first half and they had the Eastern Conference Champs tied at 83 with 4:12 left in the game.
But then they come out and get totally outplayed in stretches of the game when I expect the coaching to make a difference. When the Whiz open up the second half on a 22-1 run, that does not speak highly of the coach's halftime adjustments, let alone any motivational skills. When the team scores 1 field goal in the last 6:55 of a previously-competitive game against the Cavs, they're being thoroughly out-coached. Even worse, in the 20-7 run with which the Cavs closed out the last 7 minutes of the game, Lebron contributed 'only' eight of those points (which still would've been more than all of the Bulls, but wouldn't have won the game on its own).
If Paxson feels that he hasn't seen enough of Boyman to make a proper judgment, then I've seen more than enough of the Bulls for the remainder of the decade.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 3, 2008 8:25 PM CST reply actions
Mike Dunleavy?
is his contract up though?
I'm honestly up for Dunleavy, even if he is a retread. After Boylan, I could use anyone with experience.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 3, 2008 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Collins hearts Hughes
The article is a fairly pedestrian "Player X is a good guy" piece, but worth a read if you are curious about all of Larry's tats.

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