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2008 Trade Deadline(2pm CST) thread

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::crickets::

Wait a minute??

It's possible a smaller deal could spring at the last minute. A league source said Toronto is having discussions with the Bulls regarding Joe Smith. Given his productivity and relatively modest $5.8 million salary next season, the Bulls appear inclined to keep him.

Chris Duhon's expiring salary also could attract last-minute interest.

oh.

One thing's for certain: whether or not starting last night's overtime with Duhon/Gordon/Hinrich/Smith/Wallace, and following with Duhon/Gordon/Hinrich/Nocioni/Wallace(!) was a case of 'showcasing' or not (it wasn't), that rationalization is out the window from now on.

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at least....
the trade deadline gives me something to ponder while at work.  I mean NO!  I won't do that...I'll be working hard...and have absolutely no time for such things.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 8:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

prediction
2:01 PM CST

BaBLittleAchiever234evah: Paxton traded Duhon for nuthing! He could start on alot uv teamz! This is just the sam thing he did to Crawford and Jr. Smirth.

(a shame this stands for a positive attitude.)

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Feb 21, 2008 9:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I like the name mis-spelling
It's so hard to look at a comment referring to Paxon and not start laughing.

by KT on Feb 21, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

duhon...
I'd be happy if he were traded for a ham sandwich.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 9:06 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

What I hope for post-deadline
I hope Pax releases Boylan and coaches the rest of the season.  I could not possibly imagine a worse coach than Boylan and if Pax takes the reins, presumably, he'd play the kids more because he recognizes that developing this team's talent and making the playoffs are not mutually exclusive.  This will enable Pax to make more informed decisions this summer about what he wants to do with his core because I think he has difficulty valuing assets (see exhibit 1: Andres Nocioni) from his office.

By the way, Windhorst is hinting that big things are about to go down in Cleveland.  (h/t: FanHouse)

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 9:12 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I bet...
they're going after the birdman.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Couple things
here. First of all what makes you think Paxon would do a better job than Boylan? Who i think is the worst coach in the league! Secondly this Ben Gordon crap at the end of games is so disturbing it makes me want to puke. No wonder he wants 15mil because the Bulls treat him like he's MJ. Thirdly the Bulls got jobbed last night by the refs on more than one occasion. Whats the deal with those substitutions all game long? My god someone slap Boylan in the back of the head. So much for earning your minutes back BG played like 30 something minutes last night. PS Maybe Kirk should go back to the bench he seemed to play better there. TT was ok last night. Seems like the only one who can get to the line. JN was in foul trouble but i thought he shouldve played through it since it meant more corpse (which is never a good thing). We need to make a trade so bad.

PSS Did anyone see Pau Gasol last night or that guy Kobe Bryant. Man to think we MIGHT/COULDVE/SHOULDVE/WOULDVE have had either of those guys on our team.

by Bulls4Ever on Feb 21, 2008 9:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

woah
It's not 2:01 yet. Punchlines are all about timing.
Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Feb 21, 2008 9:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where are those mean boys
from yesterday who made fun of Marcus Williams?  Yes he had a few turnovers, but he was so much more adept with the ball than anyone on the Bulls.  

Can we revive the Nocioni for Williams talk?  I know it would scramble our guard picture even more than it already is, but it's only scrambled because nobody's good enough to absolutely stand out from the crowd.  Last night's game showed that even a near-rookie-but-gifted ball handler/passer can dominate the offensive game flow.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 9:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Please
don't start the Marcus Williams all-star bandwagon just yet. It was a special Olympics type game with two less then mediocre teams battling it out for the ' World's tallest Midget ' award.

by RogersPark Kris on Feb 21, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The most obvious deficiency
on the Bulls is at point guard, and the best ones in the draft will be gone by the middle of the first round.  Williams would be a huge upgrade for the Bulls.  I say go get him.  New Jersey is silly for thinking that Devin Harris is better than Williams.  If Paxson is smart he'll swoop in before NJ figures that out.    

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like it better everyday
but mostly because of rising Noc-bile.

At least Williams is under contract and gives the Bulls reason enough not to re-sign Duhon

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

KD had a great mini-rant about Noc
in todays behind the boxscore.  Im not up on the whole linking thing, but it basically mocked him for his usual ploy of leaving his man wide open in an attempt to take a charge.  

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Every game I watch I get more convinced that Noc
is an awful perimeter defender.  He gets caught out of position a lot, doesn't have the footspeed to both help AND recover, and his guy routinely blows by him.  He also gets posterized quite a bit.  

The dude's an undersized four.  Or rather, he's an undersized four defensively, and an underskilled three offensively.  I think he could be a valueable player off the bench, as long as we have a coach with the mind to utilize him effectively.  The combination of Boylan and injuries have not served him well.

by Freethefro on Feb 21, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

On a recent telecast,
I heard Jeff Van Gundy say that when a player is a `tweener' you should play him where he matches up quicknesswise rather than where he matches up sizewise.  That would make Nocioni primarily a 4, where it should at least reduce the number of times he fails to get back to his man on the perimeter.  

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with JVG's philosophy on that
unfortunately the Bulls have lots o' 4s.

4 more years(on the contract)!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As much as the Bulls get killed by dribble
penetration from the perimeter, the more I question as to why the Bulls are so reluctant to try switching to more of a zone type defense. This man-to-man D is not working.

by RogersPark Kris on Feb 21, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if we could trade Noc for Marcus Williams
I say yeah.  Time to start rebuilding this team.  I mean "reloading."  (Or unloading.  As in salary.)

by Freethefro on Feb 21, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm tired of all the Noc hate
Sure his contract isn't sensational, but it's not bad either.  It just looks bad when we've got Joe Smith for less.

Nocioni's a solid player and one of the few who constantly tries to do something on this lackluster team.  That says enough for me.  Save Chapu!

If the rest of this team wasn't so inept, we would likely value Noc more....

I would be pissed if we got rid of Nocioni for another hack player who doesn't know how to play under pressure.....Noc is the only Bull who has any fire to him at all, the rest of the guys (Even Gordon) go through moments of complete ineptness.

Noc has his bad shooting nights, and the occasional dumb turnover or bad defensive set, but he more than makes up for it.

The Noc hate here is ridiculous.  He's not a star, but then again he's hardly paid as a star.  He's a solid 6th man and paid as such (maybe marginally too high, but not materially too high).  He's still a starter on plenty of ball clubs too, but is effect in bursts off the bench.

I mean the guy avg's almost 22 pts in 40 minutes.  He's been in a bit of a shooting slump, but he'll get over it, and has played better than avg more than he's had bad games.

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

base year bad luck
The Noc contract looks awful in its base year at 8.5 mil and the added difficulty in trading BYC contracts.  Is it worse than Hinrich's?  Hell no.  Hinrich is having a poor season, but his contract is a heck of a lot worse than Nocioni's.

My only issue with Noc's contract is the length.  I like a max of 4 years for bench player contracts.  Beyond that and you're getting yourself into trouble.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
With all your points.  I do think Hinrich will bounce back and was in a slump this year (his contract seemed very reasonable and I believe dips down to $8M in 4 yrs, which seems more than worthy if he plays even at his current level--which is the worst level of his career).

Noc's contract is bad in the length and it's also bad because of our almost inconceivable struggles this year (making Noc, someone who could have been a trading chip when we were bad, into an untradable asset this year when we needed to make a big trade since he's got the BYC)....If this team performed like or close to expectations (basically if we were a shade over .500, most would be happy with Noc, that's all I'm saying....

He just stands out because he would be tradable, but isn't due to timing.

Thankfully we made a splash yesterday, I love hearing all the talk that Big Ben's going to be a difference maker and now puts Cleveland in the mix for the ECF......Gooden's been better than Ben this year, and while Hughes is a bad contract, who knows he could be good again in a different offensive set playing without a similarly styled (though far more skilled) James....

I like the trade for the Bulls.....it at least starts pointing us to the future. Having 2 more years of Ben's declining skills and even less motivation, would really have put us in the cellar.

by majoyenrac on Feb 22, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love for four players to be traded...
Nocioni, Smith, Wallace and Duhon, of course. But I'd settle for two of the four in Smith and Duhon. That would, unfortunately, be 55-60 minutes of PT; it's sad that those two guys have been getting nearly 25% of the team's playing time lately. If Duhon doesn't get traded, I would actually be afraid of the Bulls re-signing him. Wallace and Nocioni could at least be useful pieces in sign-and-trades this summer, right? (seems like it)
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2008 10:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That OT last night
was an abomination.  I loved watching the "chess" match as Boylan and Frank alternately changed their lineups to put Boki and Noc at the 4 spots.  But my god, did you see the spacing out there for each team?!?

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 10:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is typically
The most exciting day in the NBA and the most boring day for Bulls fans.

The most exciting read so far has been  . . .

Riley calling the Bulls for info on Curry

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 10:37 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'd take
Joe Smith for Jason Kapono (Kapono has been rumoured to be on the block).

I think Joe is a better player than Jason--because all Jason can do is shoot, but he's a lights out shooter).

I would make this trade though just because it would be interesting for the Bulls to actually have 2 real shooters on the team, 2 offensive minded wings for once in Kapono and Gordon.

Jason would come off the bench, and free up time for Tyrus.

I agree with everyone's post that that OT was hard to watch yesterday.  The refs didn't help matters with their one sided ticky-tackness, but at the same time the Bulls looked worse than even their record would indicate.....

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kapono is a defensive liability
A major one.  This is why Toronto is shopping him.  The emergence of Jamario Moon and the steady contributions of Anthony Parker make the Kapono signing look at that worse.

I think we can do better than Kapono.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm checking like you guys - nothing so far
Thanks for the Toronto update above.  Last night's game makes me reconsider making major changes.  I do believe we need to first hire the coach before doing this.  We need to have harmony between the coach's philosophy and the changes.  Most likely this would occur during the summer.  The next big decision will be who is going to coach this team?

by chgobr on Feb 21, 2008 10:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

in other news...
BG just fell down again.  Quick, some one get him a Lifeline medic alert.  Maybe Pax could trade for one...

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A deal was attempted
but Paxson was unwilling to part with any members of his core, as well as his promising youngsters.  "While a Lifeline medic might help in assisted some of our more disoriented players, I will not make changes for the sake of making change," Paxson responded.  "I'd like to see what this core can do before dismantling it.  We're in the midst of a playoff race."

by Freethefro on Feb 21, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ha-ha
Even Kendall Gill mentioned Ben Gordon falling down on the postgame last night.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
not falling down on the post game.  Ak!

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace Trade
I just read that the Magic tried to get Kurt Thomas before the Spurs swooped in.  Seems Wallace might be something that they'd consider up front with Howard.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/02/21/deadline.notes/index.html?eref=T1

I think I'd actually do this trade to get out from underneath his contract, and to get Noah/Thomas/Gray more PT.  I don't know if the Magic would be willing to take the hit financially, but it seems like they're serious about making a run and want some help for Howard (Bosh did torch them for 40 last night and Van Gundy ripped Howard in the press again).  I'd even take the 1st rounder out if the Magic balked.

Bulls:
Magic 2008 1st Rounder
Garrity
Foyle
Dooling
Arroyo
Augustine

Magic:
Wallace
Nichols

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3223~885~1055~2985~209~254~264&teams=1 9~19~4~4~4~4~4&te=&cash=

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 11:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'd do this...
Only because of Auggie.

Hell, if they want HasBen, make the deal.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What's interesting
In the SI article, it mentions that the Bulls and Pacers have had little talks.

Wonder bout what?

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he meant in general
not talking with each other.  

by Freethefro on Feb 21, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would do this too
I know Arroyo is maddenly inconsistent, but he'd be a huge upgrade over Duhon in the passing department coming off the bench.

Keyon Dooling also can be a flashy, Pargo-esque player without the jacking up all the shots.

I think we'd have to remove the Magic 1st rounder, we easily could have gotten that and more before this season, but we're already fetching a lot for Big Ben considering his production this year....

I don't know if I pull the trigger if I'm the Magic though.....they might want Duhon, who while I bashed above, Duhon might fit their team better as he's more consistent than Arroyo, and that's something they need with their 3 bigs (Howard, Lewis, and Turkaglu).

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ow!
;)

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well played
Props for contributing a new vibe around here, eGirl.

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Anything to get rid of Wallace
C'mon, Pax loves guys from Duke. There's no way he doesn't have a man-crush on Battier.

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey--why do you say that?
One of our local boys just scored 27 for them last night...too bad they lost.

Zac, I'm sorry we've already disagreed on a couple of things.  Don't take it personally.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

while I would love
to sit here and imagine for Pax to pull off some miracle in the next hour or two...I'd only be fooling myself.  He hasn't made a mid-season trade since he's been GM, why the hell start now??

Let's all face it...this is our team for the rest of the season, like it (few do) or not (most don't).

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 21, 2008 11:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, though..
...a smart GM isn't looking for a lot of "value" out of Joe Smith right now. Fuck winning. (this year)
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2008 11:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

from the ESPN chat
with Chad Ford...

"Michael East Providence, RI: I feel that the Chicago Bulls need a big man for a low post player. What are the chances that the Chicago Bulls will make a trade today for get that type of player.

 Chad Ford: (1:05 PM ET ) After another bad loss last night ... you have to wonder what Paxson is thinking? They have assets, but seem to be paralyzed in making a move. Maybe he feels it's best to let this season play out and then fix things in the summer. So no ... I don't think the Bulls are dealing."

Damn.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 12:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Please Pax, Please
Chad Ford: (1:19 PM ET ) Hold on a second ... have to take this call on a possible trade ...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ryan, Chicago: Please tell me Ben Wallace is on the move

Chad Ford: (1:24 PM ET ) Maybe ... call was about Ben Wallace in a possible deal with the Cavs. I've got to stress that it was from what I'd call a third party source ... not someone directly involved in the negotiations. So ... take it with a grain of salt ... but interesting ...

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh shit!
Chad Ford: (1:19 PM ET ) Hold on a second ... have to take this call on a possible trade ...

Ryan, Chicago: Please tell me Ben Wallace is on the move

 Chad Ford: (1:24 PM ET ) Maybe ... call was about Ben Wallace in a possible deal with the Cavs. I've got to stress that it was from what I'd call a third party source ... not someone directly involved in the negotiations. So ... take it with a grain of salt ... but interesting ...

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

getting my hopes up...
Also from the Ford chat...BW may be heading to the Cavs?!?!?!

Eric (Tampa): Chad...Do you see the Nets making another move? Heard anything?

 Chad Ford: (1:19 PM ET ) There was some talk last night about a potential deal for Nene that would include the expiring contracts of Magloire, Bostjan Nachbar and Darrell Armstrong ... but the word this morning is that those talks have cooled significantly. I'm not sure why you risk it with Nene right now. He's been diagnosed with testicular cancer and he has 4 years, $43 million left on his deal.

 Chad Ford: (1:19 PM ET ) Hold on a second ... have to take this call on a possible trade ...

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Ryan, Chicago: Please tell me Ben Wallace is on the move

 Chad Ford: (1:24 PM ET ) Maybe ... call was about Ben Wallace in a possible deal with the Cavs. I've got to stress that it was from what I'd call a third party source ... not someone directly involved in the negotiations. So ... take it with a grain of salt ... but interesting ...

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

interesting
Ryan, Chicago: Please tell me Ben Wallace is on the move

 Chad Ford: (1:24 PM ET ) Maybe ... call was about Ben Wallace in a possible deal with the Cavs. I've got to stress that it was from what I'd call a third party source ... not someone directly involved in the negotiations. So ... take it with a grain of salt ... but interesting ...

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 21, 2008 12:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He added more..
 Chad Ford: (1:25 PM ET ) The deal as I heard it ... by the way ... had Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown and Cederic Simmons coming back to Chicago.

by SRQman on Feb 21, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the Bulls would get...
Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown and Cederic Simmons.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

in return
 Chad Ford: (1:25 PM ET ) The deal as I heard it ... by the way ... had Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown and Cederic Simmons coming back to Chicago.
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 21, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

addition
Chad Ford: (1:25 PM ET ) The deal as I heard it ... by the way ... had Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown and Cederic Simmons coming back to Chicago.

How quickly can Pax say yes?

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow I'm slow.
I'll let you guys post the chat tidbits going forward.  
"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHA!
I think everyone just thought that same exact thing!!

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Perfect Wallace trade
Bulls get Jason Williams, Ricky Davis, David Lee
Knicks get Ben Wallace
Heat get Eddy Curry, Fred Jones

I ran it on the NBA trade machine last night and it works.  Heat get Eddy Curry, who they for some reason want.  Bulls get 2 expiring contracts and David Lee, a promising PF.  And the Knicks get Ben Wallace, who they pair with Zach Randolph as the defensive ace.  

Someone get Paxson on the phone!  This trade makes too much sense.

by danger mouse on Feb 21, 2008 12:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The only negativ
Is why would the Heat rid themselves of both of their awesome expiring contracts for Eddy Curry?

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

David Lee is off limits
According to Isiah.  Every team calls the NYK asking about him.  Teams are even willing to take on one of the Knicks awful contracts just to get David Lee's rebounding.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Marion being actively shopped
 Looks like Miamis prediction of Wade+Marion being like Jordan+Pippen wont have a chance to prosper.

It looks like he is heading towards Cleveland, but without a doubt we could throw them a better offer.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/51011/20080221/gms_miami_shopping_marion/

by BG07theDrink on Feb 21, 2008 12:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

wow...
Bron and the Matrix?  Wow, might be fun to watch.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the Cavs
could wrangle a way to take both Wallace and Matrix and make a big push to get back to the finals?  I'd be happy to help em with that.

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

breaking
Ryan, Chicago: Please tell me Ben Wallace is on the move

SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:24 PM ET ) Maybe ... call was about Ben Wallace in a possible deal with the Cavs. I've got to stress that it was from what I'd call a third party source ... not someone directly involved in the negotiations. So ... take it with a grain of salt ... but interesting ...

SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:25 PM ET ) The deal as I heard it ... by the way ... had Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown and Cederic Simmons coming back to Chicago.

by JSlakov on Feb 21, 2008 12:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Re: love it
Fantastic deal with Newble and Brown coming off the books this year, and Gooden having an expiring contract next year.

I would change my login if Pax pulled this one off.

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Gooden were coming back
I suspect more than just Wallace is going out.  Gooden's not great, but he's a solid player on a solid contract, so why would they trade him for Wallace?  

They won't unless they're getting something major back (a pick?, Gordon? etc.).  That's my view anyway.  

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets trade Kirk
Hinrich for Ronnie Brewer.  according to Sam Smith they would want a starter for Brewer.  I would do that in a second.  Bulls would have to take on a bad contract.  Kirk v. Brewer?  

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 12:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think Chad Ford's "Phone Calls"
are just him checking the realgm wiretap.  
"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Begging
sometimes works.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

HA!
Not what my wife says.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I second that!
"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sam Smith speculates that
Gordon will be part of a sign and trade this offseason:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-080220asksamsmith,1,7622067.story ?page=2

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 12:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

oh please please trade Ben Wallace
I'd take that Cavs deal in a second.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 12:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

thats what im wondering
Clark (Durham, NC): Why would the Cavs trade for Ben Wallace?
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 21, 2008 12:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is why?
Clark (Durham, NC): Why would the Cavs trade for Ben Wallace?

 Chad Ford: (1:47 PM ET ) To make that work financially the deal would have to look like this:

Ben Wallace, Chris Duhon and Joe Smith to Cleveland for Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshall, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown, Devin Brown and Cederic Simmons ... unless Ilgauskas is in this deal.

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ben and Du
even better

Ben Wallace, Chris Duhon and Joe Smith to Cleveland for Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshall, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown, Devin Brown and Cederic Simmons ... unless Ilgauskas is in this deal.

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 21, 2008 12:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes Please!!!
I'm getting giddy with all this Bew Wallace being traded talk in the chat.  Which means it probably won't happen.  
"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This gem:
Bryan (N. Canton, OH): OK So what was the new call all about?

Chad Ford: (1:44 PM ET ) Sorry ... another GM who was reading the chat wanting more details on the Wallace deal ...

LOL at this guy.

Maybe it was Paxson calling Ford to ask what he should do.

by mruntouchable on Feb 21, 2008 12:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

god
when I first saw that I thought it was really happening.

by JSlakov on Feb 21, 2008 12:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i have meetings all afternoon
wont know what happens until 4  :(
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 21, 2008 12:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Screw meetings!
Wallace might get traded.  this is a life changing event!!  Don't you want to be there when it happens?????
"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe in honor of Wallace being traded
I'll be late
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 21, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I betcha
it's nothing.

Wallace is too pricey, Gordon's value is too low with his talk of big bucks in the $15M/season range, teams don't want to trade a few solid youngs to get a guy they won't resign.

Hinrich's a BYC and had a horrid start.

Noc is a BYC and thus his cost this year is too high (but he might be nice trade bait in the future, although I'm a noc fan).

Deng's value peaked last summer, he's dropped to reality and might even be a little on the low side due to his injuries.

Duhon is Duhon, an expiring contract and decent enough player but we aren't going to get anything valuable enough to replace him, so why trade him, plus it's not like teams are lining the phones asking about Duh.

Paxson would be stupid to trade Noah, Sef, T2 unless we could get a Marion, etc, which ain't happening.

I like the Cleveland trades for Wallace, but I'd be surprised if Larry Hughes's albatross contract and injury pronness wouldn't be involved.

Joe Smith makes the most sense to trade because of how well he's done in his minutes, but really he's a solid value, and hardly our problem (I know all the blah blah he steals minutes for T2 and JN) but no bother, without Joltin Joe, we'd really really be tough to watch this year.....

SO yeah I expect we'll do nothing, but it might be interesting to see what everyone else does.

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hughes
You guessed it:

Terry (Cleveland, OH): Any updates on deals concerning Cleveland?

 Chad Ford: (2:03 PM ET ) I'm getting lots of phone calls now ... sorry for delays. One source says the hold up in a Chicago-Cavs deal is that Cleveland wants Chicago to take back Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden for Ben Wallace, Joe Smith and Duhon. I can't really see the Bulls doing that. Hughes has two years, $26 million left on his contract and where do the Bulls play him?

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta say
Ford is spending quite a bit of time on the Wallace situation. God only hopes their is truth to it

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

more to add . .
Todd (Westerville, OH): Why would the Cavs trade for Wallace when the need more offensive help for Lebron?

 Chad Ford: (1:50 PM ET ) Ummmm ....All I can say is that owner Dan Gilbert is a huge Pistons fan ... maybe he sees something we don't. Duhon would help them. And for the Bulls ... Gooden is OK ... and they clear some cap ... but this is essentially a lateral move as far as winning this season

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

PLEASE SAY YES
Andrew Cleveland,Ohio: Is the Chicago-Cavs deal final?

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DAMN
Chad Ford: (1:55 PM ET ) No ... I want to stress that. What we've heard is that they have had talks. That's it. We all keep hearing that they've also been talking to Seattle about Wally Szczerbiak too. Not sure what's up with that.

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Edge of my seat......
Andrew Cleveland,Ohio: Is the Chicago-Cavs deal final?
"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dammit!!!
Chad Ford: (1:55 PM ET ) No ... I want to stress that. What we've heard is that they have had talks. That's it. We all keep hearing that they've also been talking to Seattle about Wally Szczerbiak too. Not sure what's up with that.
"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What an awesome trade that would be
Not only would the Bulls get rid of Wallace, they'd also sabotage a division rival!  Lebron is so unselfish that he'll actually pass Wallace the ball underneath the basket, only to see him miss dunks and layups.  Do it Pax!

by Big D on Feb 21, 2008 1:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

that trade
the only downside would be having to give up Joe Smith who actually could help the Cavs and continues  to be one of our best players.

by JSlakov on Feb 21, 2008 1:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It wouldn't be a downside
for Joe though.  He seems to have a positive attitude here, but when he was traded the team had high expectations for the season.  Instead of conference contenders he came to...this.  I'd be happy to see him go to a team that is closer to the top.  He doesn't have a lot left in his career but he could contribute and see results with the Cavs.

by cranscape on Feb 21, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And nothing is happening/nothing happened
How absolutely gutless of ownership/management. I'm not sure what they're waiting for.

Joe Smith and Ben Wallace do some things better than others. But what they do most is get in the way of the development of Noah and Tyrus Thomas (and Aaron Gray). Duhon similarly gets in the way of Thabo developing (though he's more of a 1 and Thabo's more of a 2, the Bulls' other guards are combo guards anyway).

It's clear all 3 of these Bulls would help Cleveland tremendously.

I suppose that what to do with Hughes is a question, but acquiring him theoretically makes Deng expendable. Not that he's equal to Deng, mind you, just that theoretically, Thabo and Hughes can each play the 2 or 3, with Noc backing them up.

The Bulls can then trade Deng for other value elsewhere in their current lineup or down the line.

But like I said, seems like nothing happened, so ownership/management is just gutless if this is true.

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Feb 21, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WOW!
Chad Ford: (2:03 PM ET ) I'm getting lots of phone calls now ... sorry for delays. One source says the hold up in a Chicago-Cavs deal is that Cleveland wants Chicago to take back Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden for Ben Wallace, Joe Smith and Duhon. I can't really see the Bulls doing that. Hughes has two years, $26 million left on his contract and where do the Bulls play him?

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 1:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think I still take the deal
We'd get one less year in the Wallace deal and for less money.  Plus Hughes may be useful.  If not, give him the Tim Thomas treatment.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I so would!
I would do this in a second. Plus Hughes would be a bargaining chip next year if he didn't

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait
Nevermind.  Chad Ford is wrong.  Larry Hughes has 2 more seasons after this season guaranteed.  The cap savings would be minimal.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He could be useful
and take Duhon's minutes.  At least then we could have a big guard out there most of the time with him and Thabo.

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Though I do want to add
it's a high price.  I never really liked Hughes.  But I probably would still do this deal.

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
Hughes can still play pretty good defense.  His shot is questionable and he cannot make threes, but he makes free throws and handles the ball better than Hinrich, Gordon and Duhon.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i have always been a fan of hughes' game because
of his defense...offense not so much, but hey, when compared to wallace's offensive ability, i am not going to complain

by Conor on Feb 21, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it's the same amount of years
yes I'd do it too.

Wallace trade checklist:
  1. Are you getting back players with contracts of equal or lesser length than Ben Wallace?
  2. Are you getting back players not named Ben Wallace?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ok
Hughes and Gooden are both good players.  I always like a deal that sends away bad and gets good.  we might have to pay big $ to get better.

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hughes is fine
Mainly b/c you only have to put up with him for 45 games/season.  

Big Ben must go.  We're not doing it without getting someone else's baggage.

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's true
did Pax really think he could get away with NOT taking on Hughes in talks with Cleveland?

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Paxson
is looking through old BaB diaries.  Hold on let me find it.  

by Jesse07 on Feb 21, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2:05
ric bucher:  Ben Wallace and Duhon for Larry Hughes

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 1:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cavs?
if we are going to make a trade with the Cavs maybe we should just get Lebron

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 1:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Damn it
There it is, that thing called HOPE....man the next 45 minutes are gonna suck...the 48 hours after that might be death...might be....damn it...
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

less then one hour left.
tick, tick. Come on Pax, getting rid of BW right before the trade line would rank right up there with your game-winning 3 against Phoenix in the finals!

by RogersPark Kris on Feb 21, 2008 1:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

"Paxson for three.... YES! YES!...
... He hit the three!!!"

Thanks for hearkening back to my namesake... those were good times.

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, Chad. Why do you tease?
We have multiple confirmations about the Bulls-Cavs talking. The hang-up seems to be the Cavs insisting that Larry Hughes be in the deal. If that's dropped, I'm told Bulls would agree.

Dub (Chicago): Any chance that Ben Gordon gets moved in the Cleveland/Chicago deal?

SportsNation Chad Ford: (2:16 PM ET ) I think there's a zero percent chance of that happening.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 1:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No kidding
I don't think I could handle the emotional letdown of this not happening.

Are we really so close to the clock striking 12 on Big Ben???

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wooh
That was a nice metaphore....
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What can I say?
Wallace leaving Chicago is some pretty inspirational shit! :)

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO. There is no way this trade happens.
Come on. This is Paxson. And the BULLS.

Ford is just ginning up interest in his chat.  

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by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ford is just a pawn
I don't doubt he talks to GMs. but they talk to him for their own interest. Maybe Paxson is feeding Chad this info so he looks like he gave the ol' college try before the deadline :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL. Probably.
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by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Crazy stuff
Dale: Any updates to pass on?

 Chad Ford: (2:15 PM ET ) Not yet ... I'll update you. We have multiple confirmations about the Bulls-Cavs talking. The hang-up seems to be the Cavs insisting that Larry Hughes be in the deal. If that's dropped, I'm told Bulls would agree.

Dub (Chicago): Any chance that Ben Gordon gets moved in the Cleveland/Chicago deal?

 Chad Ford: (2:16 PM ET ) I think there's a zero percent chance of that happening.

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 1:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I could FEEL it!
Please let it happen!

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 1:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

20 Schrute Bucks
Although if you believe the Matt theory that Pax is using Chad Ford to make it look like he's doing something, I think this proves that Pax is a BAB reader.

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just imagine
If they do that deal

You would think Noah would start and Thomas would be the first guy off the bench at the PF position

Oh man, I'm gettin excited . . . prolly for no reason

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 1:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't Tyrus be the starter at the 4?
Or do you think that Gooden would start?
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by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

With Gray or go small with Noc at 4
Of course, Deng still needs his 20 min limit, so I guess that would mean Griffin starting at the 3

by snley on Feb 21, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

With a major personnel overhaul,
maybe Pax has to come down and get more hands on to see how the guys all fit together.  I think if he were to take over for Boylan--even if only for the last 29 games--the guys would give it their all to impress the boss.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

SI
I guess this is the "mysterious trade" they were referring to earlier today.  Let's hope they're wrong, and it goes through.

"More trade chatter
* I can confirm that the Cavaliers are indeed pursuing a big "mysterious'' trade Thursday, though it is unlikely to be consummated."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/02/21/deadline.notes/index.html?eref=T1

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I like your alias
Keep it regardless if Paxson can bury the corpse in another city.

There's still more that Paxson must do to lose the "F".

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

crap swap
if the Cavs insist on Hughes, Pax should insist on pawning off the Noc.

(not all crap is created equal, y'all know what I mean)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

but aren't we already trading
even bigger crap than Noc? :)

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hughes
at least has some potential to help us.

Wallace's potential to help us is pretty close to 0.

And Hughes is slightly cheaper.

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One at a time
Without Isiah, flushing Wallace and Noc down the same toilet isn't going to be easy.  

Paxson's got to have some leverage here.  Gilbert's hopefully freaking out knowing he's got to make Lebron happy.  Best case scenario is Lebron loves playing with Hughes and so Gilbert can't include him.

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

after watching noc last night
i love this idea.  i actually think he would be a decent fit on the cavs.  he could stand at the three point line and chuck away

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing
The trade deadline doesnt happen at like midnight or something, cuz i would be anxious until then, and probably so dissapointed afterwards that i wouldnt get any sleep...anyone else stuck going back and fourth between blogabull and espn waiting for a confirmation?
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously
the past 35 minutes (since I've started paying attention) have taken forever.  25 more minutes seems so long from now.

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why would the Bulls do the deal if it didn't
afford them any cap relief?

I'm curious.

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by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

For that matter, why would Cleveland want to
do this deal?
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by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think that the Bulls simply consider
Wallace to be an aging, disruptive, redundant asset who can be easily replaced by Noah/Gray?
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by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's an obstacle to player development
He takes minutes from players that are going to make us better.  PLaying Wallace now only stalls their development.

They are Noah, Thomas, and Gray.  We have to get Thomas as much time at the 4 as possible.  This is the position he should play.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe not cap relief now
but it's worth it to get a package of more tradeable assets than Wallace.

Hughes makes slightly less, btw.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A little cap relief
  1. Hughes is slightly cheaper, but expires at the same time
  2. Hughes is not Ben Wallace
  3. One can at least imagine Hughes regaining some of his Wizards era form.  His last several games, in fact, have been fairly strong.

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Any chance that the Bulls would be interested in
Hughes if, as Sam Smith speculates, Gordon is going to be the subject of a sign and trade this offseason?
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by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And to reiterate
4. Hughes is not Ben Wallace

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

why is there a hang up???
would you rather have ben wallace for the next two years, or larry hughes?  is it that difficult of a choice????  remember, there is still potential with hughes, you can stick a fork in wallace.

by Conor on Feb 21, 2008 1:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yup
Hughes has game.  He torched us (KIRK) in the playoffs with the Wiz a couple of years ago.

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that was arenas...
Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually
It was Hughes

I remember him and Gordon trading baskets

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

which one was kirk on
because Arenas got him at the end.
Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WOW
I didnt think it was ever possible, but your hate for kirk actually might be greater than my fanboyism for him, remarkable...disturbing, yes... but remarkable.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Predictable, too.
Zac, have you ever made a comment that did not involve expressing your strong dislike of everything Kirk?
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Feb 21, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Was it Kirk or Gordon?
Hughes owned us in that series.  We couldn't stop him from getting into the paint for 12-15 jumpers.

I don't remember if Kirk was guarding Hughes or if he was guarding Arenas.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Past tense
I'd be the first (believe me) to get on the Larry Hughes Renaissance bandwagon, but I think his best years are behind him.  Just look at his stats.  In 11 full NBA seasons, he's played all 82 games just once.  

As a fan, I'd look at this trade only as a positive in that it frees up minutes for Tyrus, Joakim and Aaron.  Any contributions from the other pieces would just be gravy.

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you
Benefits ranked in order
  1. No more Wallace
  2. One less front court player creating more PT for the kids
  3. a bigger guard that maybe can show our guards a trick or two
  4. 50 games from Hughes is fine by me
Maybe he can play 82 games if he's not logging so many minutes.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One more
5.  Kirk helps Drew harness his Jayhawk and he becomes the answer to the Bulls' easy bucket scoring problem.

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

cynicism post
Pax is about to trade Wallace, but saw that it wound up in Chad Ford's ear, and then the trade falls through and Pax blames it on 'disinformation, rumors, and innuendo'.

He then gives Boylan a 3-year extension.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 1:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If Boylan is hired as the permanent coach,
I'll cry.
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by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny
I was about to post the same thing.

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
He's just trying to get expiring contracts for Wallace so he can max out Duhon over the summer.

by CrashDavis on Feb 21, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i think...
I just threw up in my mouth a little.  thanks.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly wish I hadn't checked in
this afternoon.

This entire thread is giving me false hope which is inevitably going to be dashed against the rocks of reality.

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by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

prediction
Rex (Akron): Your prediction on a Cavs deal...yes or no?

bum bum bummmmmm

by BG07theDrink on Feb 21, 2008 1:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ford's answer...
 Chad Ford: (2:38 PM ET ) Wow ... too close to call right now. Apparently, one of the reasons the Cavs are pushing that Hughes be in the Bulls deal is that they want their expiring contracts and Donyell Marshall to get ahold of Wally Szczerbiak. So the Cavs would add Wally, Ben Wallace, Joe Smith and Duhon. Could it be three new starters around LeBron?

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

latest from chad
Chad Ford: (2:38 PM ET ) Wow ... too close to call right now. Apparently, one of the reasons the Cavs are pushing that Hughes be in the Bulls deal is that they want their expiring contracts and Donyell Marshall to get ahold of Wally Szczerbiak. So the Cavs would add Wally, Ben Wallace, Joe Smith and Duhon. Could it be three new starters around LeBron?

just pull the trigger paxson, im begging you

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 1:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

seriously
just fucking do it!!!

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Refresh!
Refresh refresh! I want answers now!

by cranscape on Feb 21, 2008 1:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If this is a real offer from the Cavs, there
doesn't seem to be much of a reason to decline it.

It's a very low risk deal from the perspective of the Bulls. They don't lose any of their core young players.

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by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Whats making it worse
Is how everyone is like pasting the same information, so if you read it once and were able to get ahold of your emotions, well then someone posts it again, and another person posts it yet again (with more Exclamation points) and bam, you cant resist but to lose your emotions to the possibility of this happening. And yes i also regret checking blogabull an hour ago, i have done nothing productive since....
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

that's why i am glad I only got back in
10 minutes ago.
Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
I've been online watching this for over 2 hours now - my stats book is open in front of me, and in those 2 hours I've managed to write down the first homework problem (but not actually do it....)  All worthwhile if the trade happens, but dare I hope and how can I not?
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Feb 21, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Cavs must be really shaky about crossing
Lebron's wishes.  It seems like EVERYONE on the roster is available except Lebron and Big Z.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why would the Cavs want Wallace and Du?
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by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ummm...
Lebron has a man crush on them?

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

with as bad as clevelands pg situation is
duhon could actually have some value there.  plays decent defense, buries the occasional 3.  basically, everything they thought damon jones would do when they brought him in but hasn't.  

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

With Duhon
The cavs can trade offense for defense down the stretch with Daniel Gibson.  Both shoot free throws well so either can really play in close games.

Duhon comes off the books after this season anyway.  It's likely just an acquisition in hopes the Cavs can win now rather than later.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

some hope?
Carter (Ohio): Is the Cavs-Memphis deal dead?

 Chad Ford: (2:44 PM ET ) I think so ... I was told Memphis turned it down.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 1:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Trade
Report: Gerald Green Traded To Houston
February 21, 2008 - 2:45 pm
MyFox Houston -
Gerald Green is telling FOX 26 Sports he has been traded to his hometown Houston Rockets for guard Kirk Snyder and a second-round draft pick.  

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 1:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ohhh.
There goes one of my guys.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

more proof of mchales idiocy
lets give up a youngster with at least an inkling of potential for absolutely nothing!

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gerald Green is a gamble
His basketball knowledge is surprisingly low for having so many genetic gifts.  Despite being his third NBA season, he routinely displays a complete lack of knowledge of the game.  He screws up fundamentals like boxing out the free throw shooter.

Green was rated higher than Martell Webster, yet Webster went in the lottery and Green fell to the late teens.  Webster has the better brain.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They weren't even playing him!
I guess they needed to see what Marko Jaric can do.  Maybe Pax will hire Randy Wittman when he gets fired by the T-Wolves.

by Big D on Feb 21, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cavs Salaries
Larry Hughes makes slightly less than Wallace

Just for the record, here's what the Cavs have to work with.

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 1:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice
I'm assuming that's your site(the name gave it away).  Nice job, I really like your salary breakdown for each team with the notes on each signing.  After Wallacepalooza settles down I'll have to check it out some more.  
"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wallacepalooza
Someone send this to the tribune, cuz thats exactly what this even should be called.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea
how i typed EVEN in there, 5 minutos mas!!
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!
At the risk of tooting my own horn too much, I also recently set up a dedicated NBA salary tracking blog that explains the abbreviations in the tables and notes updates and transactions.  As we move toward the summer I'll be doing more commentary about all the nerdy stuff like cap holds and projections of how much cap room teams will have this summer.

Let's hope I have to update it to show Ben Wallace switching teams!

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No im not saying
i so wanted Gerald Green. He can ball. he's still raw but i know he's gonna be good

by Bulls4Ever on Feb 21, 2008 1:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

please remember
Just because we don't hear of a trade at 2 pm, doesn't mean it didn't happen.  the trade has to be into the league at 2, and they have to vet it to make sure it meets the CBA, etc.

So there may be no news for a couple of hours past 2.

by KT on Feb 21, 2008 1:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

There's a girl with self-control.
All you crying boys...take a lesson.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They're tears of passion
"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that pretty much confirms it
who were you before you were eGirl?
Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have an inkling
but I don't think we can collectively handle such an inquiry at the same time as Wallacepalooza :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Chad's on the phone again...
bum, bum, bum, buuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 1:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ive got class in 2 mins
and im not leaving til chads off the phone

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was a damn long phone call
for a "nothing's happening"  :(
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Feb 21, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

10 minutes left...
I feel like I am watching the fourth quarter of a Bulls game.

We're close, so close, but we just can't convert on a key possession.

Ben Gordon just fell down.

Five minutes until Noce commits the critical turnover.

Eight minutes until our opponent buries a three pointer that is the dagger.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

dont forget last nights addition
smith hits the underside of the rim!

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

would
Gray losing his sneaker count?

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How can you forget
Wallace takes a turnaround fade-away from the left box and barely hits the front of the rim :)

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Reason to fear losing Wallace and Smith
Griffin becomes an unchecked dicator

by snley on Feb 21, 2008 1:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry.
He'd rule with savvy benevolence.

(Or is that saggy benevolence?)

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Feb 21, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it done?
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Somewhere in the Berto Center...
PAxson is staring at the clock, watching the second tick by, sweat beading on his forehead, translucent stains spreading in the armpits of his crisp white shirt.

The voice on the phone is a distant buzz. He's thinking back to the night he drafted Du, the hope, the promise, the wide eyed Dukie grin, the surprise when the second rounder became a starter, all of the laughs during practice, all of the hustle on needless dives and scrambles, the excessive sprinting, the games were he exuded toughness like a character from an SE Hinton novel, the low turnover rate, the toughness, the beautiful God damned toughness, manliness and grit like a short black Rambo...

 

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

A guy I knew in the know
once suggested to me Duhon was Skiles' suggestion.  Don't know whether that was authoritative or not, but thought I'd toss it out there.

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this must be what it was like for my wife...
on our wedding night...

anitclimatic.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 2:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

doh!
Chad Ford: (2:58 PM ET ) Well ... that's the big trade of the day folks! Sorry we don't have more confirmations. I have to stop the chat now. Check back with ESPN.com over the next few hours to find out whether Ben Wallace is a Cav or still a Bull

LOL, can't leave me hanging!

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 2:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wallace sitting out practice
Is Ben Wallace about to be dealt?

February 21, 2008
BY BRIAN HANLEY Staff Reporter
Seems like a long shot, but Ben Wallace is watching practice today and one rumor has the Bulls talking to the Cleveland Cavaliers trying to deal Wallace before the league's 2 p.m. deadline.

The Cavs also have reportedly been talking to Miami about Shawn Marion.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/806685,wallace022108.article

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 2:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Funniest thing about that trade
Joe Smith would be the best player in it.
Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Never thought
I'd ever be excited about the prospect of adding Larry Hughes to our team....

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We'll find out soon
We'll find out now

Ric is reporting right now

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Woah
Bucher is now saying Wallace and Duhon for Hughes!?

Still too close to call

We can rid ourselves of the two most hated people on our team

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Just Hughes?
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I'm saying
he said just hughes. maybe there's a filler in there

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Has to be something else there
Hughes makes $12M, Wallace and Duhon combine for $18M.

by snley on Feb 21, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and bits and pieces
that are expiring contracts.

The likely players...
Ira Newble
Shannon Brown

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Seattle
If the Cavs are also dealing with Seattle, they could be sending out more Salary to them, allowing them to send less salary to us while still accepting Duhon and Wallace

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I still want a commision
if Wallace, Duhon, & Hughes are the 3 major components.

by Jesse07 on Feb 21, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Did it happen or not?
Regardless of when it is finalized, the teams had to agree in principle by 2 PM CST, right?
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
but that doesn't mean it's been reported to the press and such, so we may not hear about it for an hour or so.

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN1000
said there was a trade made, but I didn't hear the report directly so I don't know who is involved.

by KT on Feb 21, 2008 2:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wally
Did get traded to the Cavs already but now the Cavs are working on the Wallace deal

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

link
where did you see that?  Nothing has been reported official as of yet.

And it's being reported the other way around, that they want Wallace first, THEN Wally.

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 21, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bucher
just said it was done on ESPNnews

no link yet

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

u mean
cavs getting wally? or cavs getting big ben?
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hallelujah!!!!!!
Who cares who we got back, I'm ecstatic.  this better be true!!!!!!!
"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN1000
is reporting a rumor of Hughes for Wallace/Duhon.

No confirmation yet, they've got someone checking.

by KT on Feb 21, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i know that
I'm talking about Option saying that the Wally trade was a done deal

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 21, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny/sad thing...
Last time I remember being this excited about a possible big change in the Bulls lineup was when they signed Wallace.  
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Feb 21, 2008 2:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i know it
i was thinking the same thing too

by Conor on Feb 21, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It
feels like christmas. I hope the corpse is gone along with Du.

PLEASE!!!!

by Bulls4Ever on Feb 21, 2008 2:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tyrus Thomas just shit his pants in joy.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2008 2:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

OK
NOW ESPN said the Cavs/Bulls/Sonics are close to completing a 10 player trade!

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Didn't say
They also said pending league approval!

This might actually happen!

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

playesr
  1. Wallace
  2. Duhon
  3. Hughes
  4. Wally
  5. Newble
  6. Shannon Brown
  7. ???
  8. ???
  9. ???
10)???

I think Gooden has to be on this list if it's 10 players.  The others should be Cedric Simmons, Dwayne Jones, and Devin Brown.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol!
you read my mind...seriously, his expiring deal could've been used in this

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 21, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Delonte West
Has been mentioned as part of this.

by mruntouchable on Feb 21, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Holy shit!!!
I can't take it anymore.....
"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hurry the
@#$#$ up!  i need to get back to work!!!

by leeac on Feb 21, 2008 2:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tonight could be a night to party
if the Bulls can rid themselves of Wallace without taking on more years or taking on Larry Hughes, I hope they do it and I will be smoking Cohibas tonight.

by messwiththebull on Feb 21, 2008 2:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

back to work??
Im about to get off @330 eastern and Im hitting f-5 like my life depended on it

by haze on Feb 21, 2008 2:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously
I've been done with work for hours.

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This would be awesome
I read that Wallace, Duhon and Joe Smith. Long live Thabo TT and Noah!

by TMD on Feb 21, 2008 2:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ten players?
Now I am getting nervous that Bulls foolishly included a young player.

I know there is no rational basis for this fear.

I am so close to the dream of a Noah/Tyrus/Deng front court.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

OTOH...
...the talk of ten players makes me actually think something is happening.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

here's a thought to sweeten the pot
Griffin's deal might be in play.
Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Don't joke around like that
The thought of the Bulls agreeing to a deal to get rid of Du and BW, and then it being vetoed by a throw-in like Griffin makes me want to light myself on fire.  Does he have early bird rights that would allow him to do that?  
"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

as far as i know, he doesn't have that right
only in team meetings.
Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Griffen?
Wallace

Duhon

Hughes

Wally

Newble

Shannon Brown

???

???

???

Adrian Griffen?? please let one of the blanks be griffen and the rest be the other teams players, if your gonna get rid of wallace make sure you send his lackey with him...

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Including Sonics?
What's the latest?  I thought 10 players included Sonics?

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wmvp...
just said Joe Smith in the deal

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 2:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

So this is what it's like...
when your wife goes into labor? It's like one of those 50s sitcoms where everyone's pacing, smoking in the hospital lobby.
I'm gonna smoke at my desk now.

by Old Skool Sloan on Feb 21, 2008 2:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

so help me...
If THIS lasts as long as my wife's labor...I'm gonna start drinking.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No it's nothing like that
Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda why I made the 50s sitcom reference
But thanks for taking it seriously.

by Old Skool Sloan on Feb 21, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

heh
sorry, just channeling my inner exult.
Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is worse
I was a lot less anxious while my wife was in labor.  Pathetic kinda.  At least with your wife in labor, you know a baby is coming out a eventually.
"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair, you also had 9 months to prepare
this is an unexpected surprise.  Though, I doubt in the end I'll begin crying like I did when I first saw my daughter.

by snley on Feb 21, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WSCR
Is talking about it too!

by TMD on Feb 21, 2008 2:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wally's deal
makes Noc's look reasonable.
Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

well, maybe originally
but ol' zoolander has 1 year left. 4 for the Noc! 4!

(I'm going to keep calling it a mega-cap-killing of a contract until you come around, bullshooter :) )

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here it is!
Bulls : Hughes Gooden Simmons
Seattle: Duhon Newble, Marshall
Cavs: Wallace, Wally, West and Smith

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Here it is!
Free at last! Thank God almighty, we are free at last!

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They just
broke it on ESPN news

I've been glued to the TV all day.

It's pretty much done pending league approval

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know too much
about Cedric Simmons though

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We're free!
ESPN just said all parties have agreed and now its up to the league

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Porr Du out in Seattle, Oklahoma
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Big Ben
Might do well with all the Cleveland Bigs too.  BIG Z's a nice offensive player and Wallace is a nice defender....

Hopefully Hughes can stay healthy and play....

I'm glad to see Wallace go if this is true, but it's a shame, I really hope he doesn't start playing hard, and really is washed up, because if he can still play then I'd really have to hate him.

Right now I believe he can play but doesn't want to with our team....but I've secretly thought perhaps he is as old as he looks.

If he suddenly becomes the player of last year even, then I'll be really pissed.....unless Hughes becomes the player of 2004-2005 (except without an injury of course).

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 2:29 PM CST reply